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    Juan Gris Grapes 1913   • Trump Averts Shutdown, Signs $2.3 Trillion Spending And COVID Relief Bill (JTN) • Trump Signs Covid-19 Bill: Announces
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle December 28 2020]

    #67359
    Mr. House
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    This guy is spot on, thoughts?

    #67360
    Mr. House
    Participant

    another good one

    #67361
    Mr. House
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    #67362
    zerosum
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    What you say online could be a career killer

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/china-slaps-citizen-journalist-jail-over-virus-reporting-wuhan

    “Picking Quarrels & Provoking Trouble” – China Slams Journalist With 4 Years In Jail Over COVID Reporting

    Notably, the Chinese continue to scrub any discussion of its role in social media. It is a chilling example of the censorship that is now being embraced by many in the United States.
    At the same time, Democrats have embraced censorship and speech controls. We have have been discussing how writers, editors, commentators, and academics have embraced rising calls for censorship and speech controls, including President-elect Joe Biden and his key advisers. The erosion of free speech has been radically accelerated by the Big Tech and social media companies. The level of censorship and viewpoint regulation has raised questions of a new type of state media where companies advance an ideological agenda with political allies.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/2/trial-of-julian-assange

    After hearing four weeks of evidence in the extradition trial of Julian Assange, District Judge Vanessa Baraitser announced on Thursday she will pronounce judgement on January 4.
    Paul Rogers, professor at Bradford University told the court that WikiLeaks’ revelations were “significant” in showing how the US coalition’s wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were “going wrong” despite public claims of their success.

    https://www.thoughtco.com/number-of-pardons-by-president-3367600
    Number of Pardons by Presidents
    These data cover only pardons, not commutations and remissions, which are separate actions.

    Franklin D. Roosevelt: 2,819 pardons
    Harry S. Truman: 1,913 pardons
    Dwight D. Eisenhower: 1,110 pardons
    Woodrow Wilson: 1,087 pardons
    Lyndon Johnson: 960 pardons
    Richard Nixon: 863 pardons
    Calvin Coolidge: 773 pardons
    Herbert Hoover: 672 pardons
    Theodore Roosevelt: 668 pardons
    Jimmy Carter: 534 pardons
    John F. Kennedy: 472 pardons
    Bill Clinton: 396 pardons
    Ronald Reagan: 393 pardons
    William H. Taft: 383 pardons
    Gerald Ford: 382 pardons
    Warren Harding: 386 pardons
    William McKinley: 291 pardons
    Barack Obama: 212 pardons
    George W. Bush: 189 pardons
    George H.W. Bush: 74 pardons
    Donald J. Trump: 10 pardons*
    * Trump is serving his first term in office.
    Pardon count last updated on July 11, 2019.
    The actions, in Trump’s final weeks at the White House, bring to nearly 50 the number of people whom the president has granted clemency in the last week. A look at the 29 people granted pardons or clemency on Wednesday. 2020-12-24

    #67363
    zerosum
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    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/uk-journalist-hounded-after-pointing-out-only-old-and-sick-die-covid
    UK Journalist Hounded After Pointing Out That Only Old And Sick Die From COVID

    BY TYLER DURDEN
    MONDAY, DEC 28, 2020 – 9:25
    Authored by Steve Watson via Summit News,

    A British journalist has been targeted by an angry online mob after pointing out that only a relatively small amount of healthy people have died from COVID, and suggesting that the complete destruction of our way of life is not an adequate response.

    #67364
    Mr. House
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    For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.9 additional conditions or causes per death.

    “UK Journalist Hounded After Pointing Out That Only Old And Sick Die From COVID”

    Well yeah, easier to game the statistics, duh. What should frighten everyone but somehow still doesn’t, is that even though what she says is true, people feel the need to attack her like she just said jesus wasn’t real……….

    #67365
    Mr. House
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    #67367
    Noirette
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    i tried to edit this post but it didn’t show ..apologies if double.
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    Raul posted in a previous thread: The way the Pfizer “vaccine” is “rolled out” at least makes one thing blatantly obvious: “believe in science” is nothing but a slogan. It has now been replaced by “believe in the vaccine”. And those two things are not the same at all. (…)

    The similar directive was “Follow the science”. I complained about it before, as in “flatten the curve”, “reduce R0 to below 1”, “masks are protective for all” and more .. that kind of talk is not science but represents political decisions that supposedly rest on ‘science’ as claimed by pols and the MSM.

    “Follow the science”, “believe in…”, first, sound very much like, you dull dopes and deplorables, take the advice of your betters who are not pig-ignorant like you, how dare you! *question* Science…

    Second, clearly the seat of authority is shifted from instituted Governance (representative republic, local Governor, head of Health Emergency, etc.) to outside actors – Scientists. Apparently the first can’t take responsibility because they shore up their moves by referring to ‘expert’ others (idiot Neil Ferguson comes to mind, yikes.)

    However, I am afraid that the situation is worse than ‘weak, insecure, hesitating’ Govmts / Health Authorities (USA, EU) and represents some type of melding between Big Pharma (amongst the most powerful Corp-congomerate if perhaps not the most lucrative, that is the MIC) and Govmt.

    Of course the relationship between Science and Politics has always been complicated, with the two imbricated and / or dancing around each other.

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    Vitamin D and COVID 19: The Evidence for Prevention and Treatment of Coronavirus (SARS CoV 2.) Roger Seheult, MD. One hour, perhaps good for passing on. (?)

    https://bit.ly/34MO8K8

    #67368
    Mr. House
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    Where is BLM? Are they still passionately professing their ideals and the news just stopped covering it?

    #67370
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    @ Mr House
    First Twitter video — spot on, and I am heartened to live in a world with this man in it. We need this kind of energy to push back against what is going on. And he is right, this is bigger than Democrats and Republicans.

    2nd Twitter video — I disagree with this woman and the argument that she makes. Indoor public mask wearing *does not* directly compare with compulsory kidney harvesting. This is where emotion starts carrying people away. Indoor public mask wearing during a pandemic (at least for me) falls under the category of “civil society” — that set of general rules (lateral rules, not top down rules) that people generally follow to show a minimum of respect to others. The biggest detriment to wearing masks that I find is that it is much more difficult to read facial expressions. The biggest advantage to wearing them in cold weather is that they work like a scarf but stay in place much more securely.

    It would be helpful for this woman to realize that what she (likely) actually fears is an erosion of her personal liberties. This erosion has been going on for a long time and is accelerating through this pandemic. Her fear of personal liberty erosion is justified — but using indoor public mask wearing during a pandemic is a very poor way to articulate her angst. A lot of people see mask wearing during a pandemic like I do, and wore masks when it was a request, and not a mandate. Mask wearing indoors seems like common sense, like a logical concession for civil society. When we listen to her, she sounds a little crazy. The guy in the first video communicated his concerns much more effectively — clearly stated that he just wants to be able to live his life and continue his livelihood. This desire resonates very broadly.

    #67371
    phoenixvoice
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    (And the biggest advantage to masks over all is that they foil facial recognition software!)

    #67373
    phoenixvoice
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    @ Mr house

    WaPo article: Yikes! What a terrible bit of propaganda

    I was raised Mormon, left that faith, but find that I retain some of what I was taught as a child. There is a quote from the founder of the Mormon faith that is very applicable to this situation: “I teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves.“. (It is a very “American” grown faith, in some ways.)

    It isn’t the government’s job to tell us all what do. It *is* the government’s job to collate relevant information, disseminate the information, make recommendations, etc. Fund research? Yes. Tell us the results of the research? Yes. The media tell us the results as well, which helps promote honesty in government officials. Mask mandates? In some situations, yes. Remove your liberty for violating a mask mandate? No. And if the government can’t do eminent domain without due compensation to the current property owners the government also shouldn’t be able to shut down someone’s business during a pandemic without due compensation. (There are many forms this compensation could take, however, any such compensation should do its best to ensure that when the business is allowed to operate normally again that it is in an essentially equal or better position than when it was shut down/restricted.).

    It is the public’s job to regulate itself. Government guidance exists for those who want the easy way out — they are too busy to look at the information and use it to inform their daily activities and prefer to simply follow a preset code of rules. This is not a bad thing, it is practical. There is a simplicity in top down models — ask any parent. But the best models are unique to those involved and take time to develop, incorporating the minutiae of the personalities, strengths, weaknesses, and vulnerabilities of the people involved.

    In an indoor public space I don’t have the time or care to have a conversation with all present about their medical vulnerabilities and those of the individuals with whom the interact with regularly. Much more practical to just wear a mask.

    With those I live with, whether or not I can have those conversations speaks to the quality of the relationships and our communication skills. It is not always easy. I should know. It is how I caught Covid. (!)

    #67379
    WES
    Participant

    Mr. House:

    Where is BLM?

    BLM isn’t needed at the moment by it’s Uniparty leaders. The election is over.

    The Uniparty leaders are all too busy dividing up what is left of the taxpayer’s wealth, BLM didn’t destroy, amoung themselves!

    #67380
    WES
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    On Brexit:

    They have had 4 years to get prepared and they are still not ready!

    #67381
    WES
    Participant

    Phoenixvoice:

    I spent some time working in Pocatello, Idaho.

    Would you have been raised there?

    #67382
    sumac.carol
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    Mormon faith that is very applicable to this situation: “I teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves.“. (It is a very “American” grown faith, in some ways.)

    Here’s a contrasting approach from Martin Luther in 1524:. ” Christians are rare in this world; therefore the world needs a strict, hard, temporal government that will compel and constrain the wicked not to rob and to return what they borrow, even though a Christian ought not to demand it…”. He goes on to say that if only Gospel leads us, without laws and force, all would go to hell in a handbasket, basically. So many interesting perspectives on the role of government in our lives. Meanwhile, it looks like dollars are the governing force in our world right now.

    #67384
    Jernau Gurgeh
    Participant

    Regarding the “It’s now or never…” video.

    How would you summarize the baby boomer mentality? Answer: F*ck you, I got mine!

    The baby boomers say, “You didn’t get a pension? Lol, I got mine.” and now they want us to revolt.

    #67385
    upstateNYer
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    @Jernau: we don’t do very many ad hominen attacks here. You perhaps took the wrong turn a couple miles back?

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