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    Pieter Bruegel the Elder The Fall of the Rebel Angels 1562   • Why Are The Covid Vaccines So Toxic? (AchGut) • Covid Lies Cost 100,000 US Lives –
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle May 1 2021]

    #74239
    V. Arnold
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    Labor Day…

    Lost in the madness…
    Destroyed by unions, politics, and Oligarchs……

    #74240
    absolute galore
    Participant

    A few choice quotes from “Shun the Unvaccinated” (Which actually is just one big choice quote):

    “Biden’s wildly successful vaccine rollout means that soon everyone who wants a vaccine will have one. When that happens, restaurants, movie theaters, gyms, barbers, airlines and Ubers should require proof of vaccination before providing their services.

    And it shouldn’t stop there. Businesses should make vaccination a requirement for employment. A COVID outbreak can shut down a business and be financially devastating. And failure to enforce basic health and safety measures is not fair to employees who have to work in offices, factories, and stores where close contact is required. Things should get personal, too: People should require friends to be vaccinated to attend the barbeques and birthday parties they host. Friends don’t let friends spread COVID.

    Surely, if a bakery can refuse to provide its services to a gay couple getting married, they can refuse to bake a cake for people who choose to place themselves, the bakery staff and its customers at risk of contracting a deadly illness.

    As a country, America has become too tolerant of half-witted individual autonomy that ignores the existential needs of the vast majority of its citizens. While writing this column I caught a TV promo for a new documentary in which Cher saves an elephant. It made me think of her performance in “Moonstruck.” Vaccine hesitancy? We need Cher to slap us in the face and tell us to “snap out of it.”

    Yeah, once Cher, riding an elephant, makes a Get Jabbed PSA, I’ll run out and get one.

    Had another awkward exchange in the office last week.

    Had perhaps my closest friend not invite me to an outdoor cookout last night because his wife is concerned about my unvaccinated status. People should require friends to be vaccinated to attend the barbeques and birthday parties they host. Friends don’t let friends spread COVID

    I am preparing to be further ostracized and despised I guess. I suppose I could just tell people I have been vaccinated (except apparently it won’t be long before I can’t shop or go to work). I could also see my ex using this to get the courts to take away my custody rights.

    The subject of fake passports was broached yesterday. Something to consider. But honestly part of my stance involves taking a stand against this complete medicalization of society. Ivan Illich is rolling in his grave.

    If this virus is like the flu, how will herd immunity work? Why are flu vaccines changed every year? Why is there no stampede to wipe out flu?.

    #74241
    absolute galore
    Participant

    And I like the way he ignores the fact that it was President Trump who was mainly responsible for the “wildly successful” rollout. And the cartoon at the bottom shows USA Today all on board with Guliani’s supposed malfeasance in Ukraine instead of Hunter Biden. Science and facts. Uh huh.

    #74242
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    I couldn’t help but hear this song playing in my head while reading the Stern (on his Twitter bio, “#Resist” [irony] and “#VoteBlue”, of course) article in USA Today [just accidentally typed “Toady”, was that a Freudian typo, or what?]: https://youtu.be/F43DqnMoWi0

    #74243
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Meanwhile, TV viewer numbers and Facebook volume have declined, and lord knows what’s holding rags like the WaPost and NYTimes together. The more they bang the corporate media gong, the less people pay attention.

    And yeah, sure, financially fragile small businesses are going to embrace measures that drive away customers.

    #74244
    Dr. D
    Participant

    No need to run down the overwhelming, every-single-sentence lies of terrible, terrible thinking in every article by every western adult.

    Why are vaccines toxic? According to their numbers, they’re not. Yes, 10x more dangerous than former vaccines, but 10 per million is near-zero, far more safe than many, many drugs, like even birth control. Of course I don’t believe a word either, but this is their premise.

    Counting up all the data with Skidmore. Yes. As we’ve all said. No one cares about your facts. They are literally the least important thing in the universe. Greg Hunter (different interview) said he was in for a physical and his doctor asked about the vaccine, and he said, “data here, it’s not safe and approved.” The doctor responded, and then Hunter answered with more citations and studies. The Doctor walked out on him, not even finishing the check up. Ran away. This is the state of medicine. So…you believe in this, you have a patient you need to explain the science to for his own health. This is literally THE MOST COMMON thing providers and nurses do all day. But in this case, he runs away rather than do it. Why? And it’s not one man, I have the same experience discussing it with any medical people at all. I say, “3/11 CDC paper said…” “Aaaaaiiiiiiieeeee!” They flee the room. “Unclean! Unclean!” “But I’m quoting the CDC!!!” “Gaaaaaahhhhh! The devil commands you come out!” If those were my heart drugs I was having second thoughts about, they would absolutely 100% stay around and discuss it all day. So they are aware they are on the 3rd rail, and the 3rd rail is a danger to THEM, and not to me. How? They are saving themselves and (in their view) killing their patient and others that patient may meet. Why? Medically, the only reason for that is immediate physical danger, such that doctors must save themselves first and the patients after. (So that in a crisis, there will BE providers left after to help patch victims.)

    They know discussions are illegal and facts are our sole enemy. How do they know? I didn’t get the memo so their actions are confusing to me. I assume advertising and Buzzfeed.

    Vax military: yes, I don’t know what legal structure they use, but it’s always been illegal to refuse ANYTHING in the army, particularly running up Hamburger Hill, so the greatest mystery was why this was ever voluntary in the first place. So that at least a few troops would still be functional when they find out it kills people and marks them for a later Chinese genetic bioweapon?

    USA Today. As it’s Gannet, every sentence is a lie written by morons (who also can’t spell) but their theory here is that the vaccine, fast-tracked by Trump, prioritized by Trump, proudly released by Trump, last week promoted by Trump, so therefore it’s because of Trump that Trump supporters won’t take it. Please explain this to me in little words. And although there is some truth in the stats, they are also bare-faced lies in the usual media tradition of omission and false (totally lying) framing: the largest resistance to Vax are YOUNG people. They are your key group. But you can’t win political points and sell fake, lying Madison Avenue death-aid by saying “look what all the cool kids are doing” and “We’re targeting key Democrats for round-up and annihilation: youth.” That is, YOU.

    33% of income, as seen in past food stamp charts. And all due to the Johnson legacy, exactly as predicted by Republicans then and repeated for decades: It will utterly destroy work ethic and most specifically destroy black families and black prosperity. Boom. Their reply, as year after year this is proven with every new month’s numbers? “No it isn’t. You’re a poopy-pants.” And what of them saying they are establishing a slow installation of every (failed, totalitarian) Soviet policy, like free rent and universal income, with internal passports, zero social mobility, and the universal punishment of hard work? “No it isn’t.” I guess we got here on accident after telling you about it every day for 75 years. Complete surprise.

    So when do we discuss how the 40% tax rate and universal attacks on work and savings utterly impoverish and collapse the country? A: Never. Everyone knows you can just print your way to prosperity while sitting on the beach drinking mai-tais. History proves over and over, no one needs to work. Stopping work is the most direct path to riches. Top economists say so.

    And on, with every word of every sentence of every article on every day.

    So here’s the point: no matter what truth you tell them, no matter how many hundred-thousand times per life you’re proven correct, it never matters. The minute they blink, you’re still stupid and wrong and they’re geniuses and right. I see this not only here, but in corporate life, in personal lives, which is what happens when you remove all consequences, ever, all cause and effect, in life as in markets. This is what happens when every word, from every adult, from every side, has been completely false for a lifetime, and no one gets a black eye or pistols at dawn even once to pay for it. Evil roams free, devouring everyone, as Sir Tomas Moore said. Why would words matter more than superficially, when everything people say is wrong, no one has to back it up, ever? CoughNAFTA,GulfWarcough

    But who cares? It’s only what you DO about it that matters, if you’re so smart. What they are DOING, is that evil is a parasite that requires a healthy host. So you stop FIGHTING them, as a “healthy” host does, and let them do everything they want, don’t stop them, HELP them along, and see what happens, see whether people realize for themselves in their own time, whether they like it or not. And that’s painful, but the parasite cannot live on another parasite. An emaciated, hostile, irrational, unproductive host.

    And this is exactly what they determined to do in 1956, when they realized they couldn’t be removed from the body politic in the Morgan/Federal Reserve/Congressional complex. It was called “Atlas Shrugged” where if you’re small and they’re large, and you want someone to hang themselves, you feed them rope. Or in Communist parlance, you Sell them the rope.

    Greenspan, Rand’s main acolyte, top goldbug, did exactly this in his position, giving the banks all power, all derivatives they could dream of, until a 2nd rate Arcos fund now has trillions in exposure and any GameStop can crash the system. If you look, even the characters are listed, Alan seeing himself as Francisco d’Anconia, your economic Batman, bringing it down as Bruce Wayne from within, while the Joker thinks he’s an ally.

    The book isn’t essentially the point, the point is, THESE were the thinkers, and this was their plan (of many competing approaches and groups over the years, e.g. Kennedy’s direct approach).

    So what do you do? You’ve told them and been right for 60 years. They’ve been discredited in every possible way, via war, via “impossible” Keynseanist stagflation, via taxation, via explosive poverty, via overwhelming oppression. No one cares. Well, here we are. You just “let them win” since communism destroys itself more thoroughly than any of us ever could, all you have to do is let go of the tug of war. Install people that reveal their violence, abuse, and hypocrisy, and will reveal the media cover for it. Text things like “We’re there for the oil” and “We sell arms to abusive kings to use on civilians for the money, and media/generals are all for it!” Now THAT’S Presidential. Beautiful bombs. On the moon.

    Let them have a party as the hyperinflation and collapse takes hold on THEIR watch. With THEIR ideas and actions. Nothing else has the slightest effect on the citizens. Not even death. Everybody has tried everything as they always do. History says this is the only way: going through it.

    Something has changed but it’s hard to define what. Even I have stopped following, tuning, out, my attention roving in other directions. I think other people have too. But as I said earlier, if they no longer have eyeballs, they no longer have influence. They no longer have income and/or purpose.

    #74245
    Germ
    Participant

    :-))

    “it would be wrong for someone to think that because they’re fully vaccinated, that means they’re fully safe from the virus”, said Gabriel Scally, a visiting professor of public health at the University of Bristol. “They can still certainly get the disease and get symptoms, and they can still transmit it.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/01/so-youve-had-your-covid-jab-what-can-you-safely-do-now

    #74246
    Germ
    Participant

    NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL of MEDICINE:

    “wearing a mask … offers little, if any, protection from infection”

    “the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic”

    “masks serve symbolic roles … they are also talismans”

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmp2006372

    It’s all theatre. All. Of. It.

    #74247
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    My main reason for my “vaccine hesitancy” is that I am someone who is very prone to side-effects from the various medicines that I try. Finding the one blood-pressure med I can tolerate (in addition to water-pills)…wasn’t fun. But with orally-ingested pills, if something is messing you up, you can just stop taking it. With an injection that affects your cellular biology, once it’s there, you’re stuck with it.

    I’ve always been a pretty asocial person (I just ended up wired that way), so I’ll just take being shunned, thank you very much.

    #74248
    Basseterre Kitona
    Participant

    The new religion.

    • It’s Time To Start Shunning The ‘Vaccine Hesitant’ (Stern)

    Well, I’ve been trying to label these people as Evangelical Vaccine Fanatics (EVFs) as a counter to the silly “anti-vac” smear…but hasn’t really caught on thus far.

    #74250
    zerosum
    Participant

    Read More …
    Follow the bouncing ball.
    (You are not a monkey/bought reporter)

    • Covid Lies Cost 100,000 US Lives – Mark Skidmore (USAW)\
    Dr. Skidmore ….
    HCQ was effective in treating the Corona Virus … 200 peer reviewed studies
    … Ivermectin, Vitamin D, Vitamin C and Zinc are a few that are also proven scientifically effective to reduce or obliterate CV19.

    usawatchdog.com/covid-lies-cost-100000-lives-mark-skidmore/

    By Greg Hunter On April 27, 2021 In Political Analysis 179 Comments

    mark-skidmore.com/2021/04/22/a-cross-country-analysis-of-the-determinants-of-covid-19-fatalities/
    A Cross-Country Analysis of the Determinants of Covid-19 Fatalities
    markskidmore April 22, 2021

    My coauthor (Hideki Toya) and I recently posted a working paper that offers an examination of the factors that explain differences across countries in COVID-19 infections and fatalities over the past year.
    While the paper has been submitted to a journal, it is not yet peer reviewed. You can access the paper here:

    http://www.cesifo.org/en/publikationen/2021/working-paper/cross-country-analysis-determinants-covid-19-fatalities.

    A Cross-Country Analysis of the Determinants of Covid-19 Fatalities
    Toya, Hideki / Skidmore, Mark

    CESifo, Munich, 2021
    CESifo Working Paper No. 9028

    file:///C:/Users/owner/Downloads/cesifo1_wp9028.pdf

    Some countries made HCQ accessible as many
    health scientists understood that it was an effective treatment for coronavirus, whereas other countries
    prevented the use of HCQ.

    (1 See c19hcq.com/ for a real-time database and meta-analysis of 280 HCQ studies of which 208 are peer
    reviewed. These studies show that early treatment with HCQ consistently has positive effects. In the U.S., HCQ was
    discouraged and even prohibited, even though the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
    (NIAID) published an article in 2005 (Vincent et al.,2005) in its Virology Journal, which showed that HCQ was an
    effective treatment for coronavirus. Dr. Fauci was head of the NIAID at the time. The lead author (Vincent) and
    several other coauthors were employed by the U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention when the study was published)
    2. Empirical Analysis
    COVID-19 infection and fatality data come from the World Health Organization (WHO)
    (/covid19.who.int/table). We merge these data with socio-economic, political, geographic, and
    policy information, which are available from several sources as shown in Appendix Table A (World Bank
    Indicators, c19hcq.com/, https://www.kayak.com/travel-restrictions,
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-52103747, https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-world,
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID19_pandemic_by_country_and_territory#Timeline_of_first_confirmed_case_by_country).

    #74251
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Per the logic of vaccination, my objection to the “vaccine” isn’t my p[ersonal risk of it harming me, but the enormously larger risk of it hurting a great many people, maybe even the legendary “everyone” rumored to exist but individually unverifiable.

    If I to engage in discussion with vaccine zealots, I take that approach: “I’m not vaccinated precisely BECAUSE I want to protect you and you and yours from covid and covid complications.”

    That should get them charging like dumb myopic rhinoseri leading with their chin, exposing all the flaws in their logic for you.

    “WHY?!?!? WHAT?!?!? YOU’RE WRONG.”

    “Why? Because it is not a vaccine. Look it up. What? Um, covid? You may have heard of it? And IMO, you’re wrong. Potentially dead wrong. But go ahead and cough all over me. I take vitamin D, eat well, exercise, smile a lot, and most of all, I don’t believe everything I read or hear in the news. Why? Because I enjoy being physically healthy and mentally sane. How about you?”

    And stuff like dat dere. Or, like I tell my son: don’t watch the TV, BE the TV.

    #74252
    zerosum
    Participant

    Without that 34% of income, then our society would have died
    • Record 34% Of US Household Income Now Comes From The Government (ZH)
    ———
    The result is slower death
    • US Household Income Soared 21% In March, Largely Due To Stimulus Checks (JTN)
    —-

    #74253
    Germ
    Participant

    Follow Karl’s directions to access VAERS to see just how deadly the Covid shot is compared to others.
    Extraordinary:

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=242243

    #74254
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    • It’s Time To Start Shunning The ‘Vaccine Hesitant’
    “…with herd immunity, we’d return to a measure of “normalcy,” meaning indoor dining, movie theaters and hugs.”

    This is based on something Anthony Fauci said last year. Since then, “the science” has a better understanding of the situation. Herd immunity is now considered “probably impossible” but that fact is not getting much coverage in the media.

    From the journal Nature:

    Five reasons why COVID herd immunity is probably impossible

    1. “It’s unclear whether vaccines prevent transmission”

    2. “Vaccine roll-out is uneven”

    3. “New variants change the herd-immunity equation”

    4. “Immunity might not last forever”

    5. “Vaccines might change human behaviour”

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00728-2

    That USA Today article seems to be more of the “divide and conquer” distraction, with the unvaccinated being convenient scapegoats for government failures.

    #74255
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “That USA Today article seems to be more of the “divide and conquer” distraction, with the unvaccinated being convenient scapegoats for government failures.”

    Just like domestic terrorism. Just like international terrorism. The fault is not with us but with those outside of us. Same old same old. My landlord uses this tactic. Last year when all this was beginning my lease auto-renewed at the end of feb. She called me early march on a friday night at 9 PM and asked if i still had a job. I replied that i did and she had nothing to worry about, she then started talking about lease renewal and raising the rent. This was the beginning of her harassing me until july, using tactics to make me want to move out during a pandemic?!?!?!?! all so she could raise the rent 40 dollars a month. And my lease had already renewed for another year at the same terms due to her laziness. I knew this from when she started but wanted to see how truly terrible she was. These are the types of people you are up against. They have no honor, they have no empathy, they have no remorse. They’re kinda like terminators, they can’t be bargained or reasoned with. How do you deal with this? She is a smaller version of what our society is becoming. Mind you i never missed a rent payment or have caused any issues for her. She hates me because i won’t let her bully me.

    #74256
    Germ
    Participant

    Thanks Doc!

    Herd immunity? Fugget’ about it!

    #74257
    Mr. House
    Participant

    We are the people who will argue with our executors that they have no right to murder us and we wouldn’t do that to them as they line us up against a wall. What do we do about this?

    #74258
    Germ
    Participant

    “Scientists have known for a while that SARS-CoV-2’s distinctive “spike” proteins help the virus infect its host by latching on to healthy cells. Now, a major new study shows that they also play a key role in the disease itself.”

    The novel coronavirus’ spike protein plays additional key role in illness

    And now what we’re doing is injecting the genetic code for that very spike into folks, turning them into spike factories. Nuts!

    #74259
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ Mr. House

    “How do you deal with this?”

    I’ve renounced violence and intimidation myself except when direct violence seeks me or mine out, but that’s a spiritual thing I’m doing now that I’ve figured out what a lost fool I am.

    The old me dealt, occasionally, with such things via intimate private conversations where I explained that if I were reported for threatening to shave off someone’s nipples with a jigsaw, I would most likely be released from prison and would then find that person and complete the job. Generally with a foretaste of the horrors awaiting them. It surprises people to suddenly find themselves under their desk with a foot on their mouth.

    If one doesn’t take the law into one’s hands, then the lawful will ram it up your ass with impunity. This is how organized crime works, and all government systems become organized criminal orgs almost before the ink dries on the constitution.

    But I’ve renounced negative confrontation for the most part. Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord. Something like that.

    “We are the people who will argue with our executors that they have no right to murder us and we wouldn’t do that to them as they line us up against a wall. What do we do about this?”

    At that point, I say, don’t argue. Pray for their souls and cherish the cleanliness of your conscience. At the end of life, it’s all one has, with or without possible afterlives and such.

    But before that: don’t let yourself be rounded up. Die fighting, fer chrissake. Live by the sword, die by the sword… with honor. Personally, I’ve concluded that this life isn’t worth dying for but the state of my soul/heart/psyche/whatever I R, is.

    Something like that.

    (The lives of others in my reach are, incidentlly, crucial to the state of my soul.)

    Wadda ya wanna live forever?!?

    Also:

    Change

    A true story. Someone I knew, Bob the God, missed a few month’s mortgage payment on a fixer-upper he’d mostly fixed up before hitting an employment glitch. Glitch fixed, he was prepared to pay back, with extra interest, the missing payments, but the banks liked the improvements he’d made and proceeded with foreclosure so they could flip the house for major profit.

    Bob the God dismantled the house entirely from the inside. None of the dismantling showed on the outside. He even took the roof chimney apart and dropped it down the flue brick by brick. It was an empty sheel when he was done.

    They got their house. It cost them a lot more than they’d anticipated.

    If you wait until the time seems right, or you’ve no other choice but to, fight, you’ll probably lose.

    Hit first. Hit hard. Try not to let them see you coming, but once they see you, make sure they’ll never forget you.

    #74260
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ Dr. D

    “And all due to the Johnson legacy, exactly as predicted by Republicans then and repeated for decades: It will utterly destroy work ethic and most specifically destroy black families and black prosperity. Boom. Their reply, as year after year this is proven with every new month’s numbers? “No it isn’t. You’re a poopy-pants.”

    It was the Viet Nam war that did that, not the original Great Society plan originally passed.

    About Johnson’s Great Society programs:

    “Legacy

    “Interpretations of the War on Poverty remain controversial. The Office of Economic Opportunity was dismantled by the Nixon and Ford administrations, largely by transferring poverty programs to other government departments.[54] Funding for many of these programs was further cut in President Ronald Reagan’s Gramm-Latta Budget in 1981.[citation needed]

    “Alan Brinkley has suggested that “the gap between the expansive intentions of the War on Poverty and its relatively modest achievements fueled later conservative arguments that government is not an appropriate vehicle for solving social problems.”[19] One of Johnson’s aides, Joseph A. Califano, Jr., has countered that “from 1963 when Lyndon Johnson took office until 1970 as the impact of his Great Society programs were felt, the portion of Americans living below the poverty line dropped from 22.2 percent to 12.6 percent, the most dramatic decline over such a brief period in this century.”[39]

    “In the long run, statistical analysis shows that the Official Poverty Rate fell from 19.5 percent in 1963 to 12.3 percent in 2017. However, using a broader definition that includes cash income, taxes, and major in-kind transfers and inflation rates, the “Full-income Poverty Rate” based on President Johnson’s standards fell from 19.5 percent to 2.3 percent over that period.[55][56]

    “The percentage of African Americans below the poverty line dropped from 55 percent in 1960 to 27 percent in 1968.[57] From 1964 to 1967, federal expenditures on education rose from $4 billion to $12 billion, while spending on health rose from $5 billion to $16 billion. By that time, the federal government was spending $4,000 per annum on each poor family of four, four times as much as in 1961.[58]”

    Sorry. I know too many poor “people of color” (um, colored persons, we used to call them since nigger is indeed a nasty word) who worked their tails off before and after. I visited South Side Chicago ghetto slums in ’63-’65 with my father who did fire safety inspections for insurance companies. I saw first hand how impoverished those people were. It was a nightmare. But Johnson, then Nixon, then Reagan destroyed the economy, replacing it with the most brutal military empire the world has ever seen.

    Whenever anyone points the condemning finger at other persons’ work ethic, I see a 1935 German pointing hes finger at those “parasitic Jews”. I also see someone with serious moral astigmatism.

    #74261
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    We are the people who will argue with our executors that they have no right to murder us and we wouldn’t do that to them as they line us up against a wall. What do we do about this?

    IKR? If it weren’t for people like that, we would probably be able to buy Ivermectin in big-ass bottles at Walmart the way we can with Ibuprofen and we wouldn’t even be talking about Covid anymore except maybe in passing.

    #74262
    Maxwell Quest
    Participant

    Just yesterday, my neighbor and I were commiserating about the health issues that accompany getting older. She shared that in the last week some serious bouts of disabling vertigo have plagued her. As we were exploring the possible causes around inner-ear issues like BPPV, she said that the last couple of onsets occurred after she had sat for a while reading. That’s when I got suspicious and asked if she had had both vaccinations already. “I had the second shot about a month ago”, she said. I told her that some strange neurological problems have been reported from the vaccines and that I would do a quick search for her when I went back inside.

    The first thing I came across in my search was this New England Journal FAQ page listing vertigo as one of the delayed reactions being reported:

    NEJM — Covid-19 Vaccine Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)

    “Similarly, many of us are hearing about delayed reactions of unclear significance — examples from my experience include diffuse rashes, vertigo, and late-onset discomfort at the injection site. In all these situations, the relationship to the vaccine is unknown, though plausibly connected (especially the injection-site discomfort).”

    Next, I downloaded the VAERS database and shared with her all of the vertigo and dizziness entries it contained. Needless to say, she gained a new perspective on the Covid-19 vaccine initiative. For the first time she was willing to accept that her recent vertigo problem may be related to the vaccine, and was wondering how long the symptoms might last. I didn’t know what to tell her, but advised that she may want to file a VAERS report.

    #74263
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    Because it is a *Covid vaccine religion* there is no need to point out that there is no scientific basis for excluding the unvaccinated from outdoor social gatherings…or that 80% have partial immunity pre vaccination/pre infection…or that asymptomatic folks (some probably false positives) are highly unlikely to spread Covid indoors with poor ventilation. No need to point out that the vaccinated can still contract the disease (especially variations) and spread it to others.

    For equity, all we need to do is have gatherings out of doors or in well-ventilated spaces. (Mostly impossible in Phoenix, AZ in the summer…..). And most folks who feel ill and have symptoms of a transmissible disease are going to stay home from social gatherings anyhow. (Which is not always the case for work or school.)

    But most religions are not interested in equity.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    @ Dr D
    Regarding government transfer payments, NO, they do not automatically result in folks refusing to work. That is a gross oversimplification. Your beliefs rely on faulty data.

    My children and I have had SNAP and Medicaid for nearly 9 years. I have worked gainfully during this entire time and actually have tripled my income (I work more hours) in 9 years. How did this happen? When we were still married, the kids’ father became an alcoholic, lost his job due to alcoholism, and came down with a mysterious illness — this basically occurred over the course of 1 year. I “stood by” him nearly two years, while the illness was cured, he left off booze for a while, and didn’t bother working much for pay. When the boozing returned, and he attempted suicide in front of me, I kicked him out. Due to all that happened I have PTSD. The kids father finally became employed after I kicked him out, but because he knew that child support would be expected, he found work as a mis-classified independent contractor with a small business willing to compensate him in cash, rather than via check or direct deposit. This has enabled him to lie about his income (he eventually became completely “unbanked.”). The commissioner in charge of child support hearings was lazy and didn’t bother looking at all the evidence (banking records, recordings of hearings that proved perjury, etc.) and set his income at 1/3 of what I had hard evidence of — so I get $40/month in child support even tho my income is no more than 1/4 of what he makes.).

    Because of Medicaid I was able to get treatment via psychotherapy for the PTSD. Because of Medicaid the children have had consistent dental care, eye exams, medical and behavioral health treatment when they need it. I have a child on a prescribed diet, mandated by a pediatric endocrinologist…because of SNAP I am able to comply with this diet. My daughter has been skirting the edges of anorexia for years…because of SNAP I am able to feed her whatever she will eat. (Having a father like theirs leads to all sorts of funky behaviors…but since the courts in AZ love joint legal decision making, love giving parents “second chances,” I can’t get them into behavioral health services without his full agreement.)

    BECAUSE of “government transfers” I have had the mental and emotional space to stabilize my life, maintain the basics and stability for my children, and as a result my income is rising. I could not have done this without help. Seven years ago when I kicked out my ex I had been through the wringer for years and I was on the verge of falling apart.

    So THINK before you assert that recipients of government transfers are all sitting back, enjoying the good life, not bothering to work.

    (Now, if you want to propose that the *federal government* should not be the source of these helps because it gives the federal government way too much power and control — I will agree. The actions of my ex should not consign myself and my children to perpetual poverty. We need to have our societies structured in a way that we lend support to those who need it. I have needed “scaffolding” to be able to get back to full functioning. I continue to need some, although as I continue to heal I will gradually leave that scaffolding behind. Personally, I believe such scaffolding should primarily fall upon the local community, rather than the federal government…but that is not how the current structure works. And the level of human suffering that would exist without scaffolding for the vulnerable is immense.)

    #74264
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Whenever anyone points the condemning finger at other persons’ work ethic, I see a 1935 German pointing hes finger at those “parasitic Jews”. I also see someone with serious moral astigmatism.

    A good description of most Randroids (LaVeyan Satanists sans the inverted pentagrams and black candles).

    #74265
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    Evangelical Vaccine Fanatics (EVFs)

    Love it!!

    #74266
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    @ madamski

    “The old me dealt, occasionally, with such things via intimate private conversations where I explained that if I were reported for threatening to shave off someone’s nipples with a jigsaw, I would most likely be released from prison and would then find that person and complete the job. Generally with a foretaste of the horrors awaiting them. It surprises people to suddenly find themselves under their desk with a foot on their mouth.”

    Damn…the “old you” sounds like my 13 year old daughter. (And I mean no disrespect…this particular personality quirk of my daughter is a part of her innate strength. However, I sometimes wonder where it will lead her! If she eventually passes to someplace akin to where you are now, I will be pleased…except I suspect by then I will be no more than a thought on a butterfly’s wing.)

    #74267
    island raider
    Participant

    Dr. D or others… can someone please provide a link to the 3/11 CDC paper that Dr. D references often. I have tried search engines and also searching the CDC website, and cannot locate anything. Thanks in advance!

    #74268

    Herd immunity? Fugget’ about it!

    If 81% have T-cells, how can that be true?

    #74269
    a kullervo
    Participant

    Hard to fathom which is harder:
    – To lose a friend; or
    – to find out one was wrong about them all along.

    #74270
    Germ
    Participant

    Must watch:

    “In a hard-hitting interview, retired NHS pathologist Dr John Lee discusses the government’s response to the pandemic, analyses why proven scientific procedures were abandoned, makes the case for ending Lockdown now.
    As he asks the question most doctors are unable to discuss in public
    Covid-19: is the cure worse than the disease?”

    https://tinyurl.com/ar9zdve8

    #74271
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ phoenixvoice

    “Damn…the “old you” sounds like my 13 year old daughter. ”

    That was my daughter from 13 until very recently, at age 33, when she is finally beginning to show wisdom and restraint in the fights she picks. I was a placid bookworm until my old man decided that the 16-year old madamski deserved a bitch slap hard across the face man over silly stupid shit my old man should’ve gotten his ass kicked for rather than slapping my face, demonstrating to me that the grownups in charge were neither grown up nor in charge, from my old man (a great guy, btw) to the principal to the cop to whatever greedy idiot is in the White House pretending to run the government or something.

    “…no more than a thought on a butterfly’s wing.)”

    An enviable destiny, per my view.

    %^&

    Regarding “work ethic”: it’s a slavery meme. Most anthropologists/archeologists agree that primitive humans enjoyed more leisure time and quality of life before the Agricultural Revolution upset the natural balance and forced labor commenced. Work ethic, my aching back. And who, pray tell, determines what work is ethical and how much is ethically sufficient?

    I was tainted High Potential/Low Achiever in school: I got straight As, never caused problems, but didn’t suck up to teacher. Der Boss-man didn’t think I worked hard enough. I remember, in 3rd or 4th grade, whatever year in which we learned long division, inventing another way to do it and the teacher telling me that was very nice but I needed to do it the Right Way. The system couldn’t even recognize High Achievement when it bit them on the nose. Oy vey…

    ‘I find your lack of work ethic… disturbing,’ said Vader.

    #74272
    Germ
    Participant

    ,

    #74273
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Raúl Ilargi Meijer: “If 81% have T-cells…”

    As Karl Denninger puts it, “no more than 20% of the population was potentially susceptible to serious disease.” Infections might still happen, but the immune system is better primed to fight it off. This isn’t herd immunity, instead it’s a way of coping with endemic diseases.,

    #74274
    Germ
    Participant
    #74275
    Bill7
    Participant

    absolute galore said: “But honestly part of my stance involves taking a stand against this complete medicalization of society. Ivan Illich is rolling in his grave.”

    Full agreement here, AG: I won’t be injected w/ any of these vaccines-that-aren’t vaccines under any circumstances.

    Good to see you mention Illich; ‘Medical Nemesis’, ‘Gender’ and (esp!) ‘Tools for Conviviality’ are truly great books. So very odd that those who rule us have systematically removed all potential tools for Conviviality over the past forty-or-so years; as one person said, this Covid-bit sure came along at an opportune time for the Very Few.. 😉

    #74276
    Bill7
    Participant

    absolute galore said: “But honestly part of my stance involves taking a stand against this complete medicalization of society. Ivan Illich is rolling in his grave.”

    Full agreement here, AG: I won’t be injected w/ any of these vaccines-that-aren’t vaccines under any circumstances.

    Good to see you mention Illich: ‘Medical Nemesis’, ‘Gender’ and (esp!) ‘Tools for Conviviality’ are truly great books. So very odd that those who rule us have systematically removed all potential tools for Conviviality over the past forty-or-so years; as one person said, this Covid-bit sure came along at an opportune time for the Very Few.. 😉

    #74277
    Bill7
    Participant

    “..You just “let them win” since communism destroys itself more thoroughly than any of us ever could, all you have to do is let go of the tug of war. communism destroys itself more thoroughly than any of us ever could, all you have to do is let go of the tug of war..”

    What’s being inflicted on us is “communism”?

    Mmm.

    #74278
    Bill7
    Participant

    “Well, I’ve been trying to label these people as Evangelical Vaccine Fanatics (EVFs) as a counter to the silly “anti-vac” smear…but hasn’t really caught on thus far..”

    They get paid for their studied ignorance- in various ways, as called for- and you don’t. Hence the results you mention. Will it work over the long run?

    Mmm.

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