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    57 Top Scientists And Doctors Demand Immediate Stop to ALL Vaccinations

    “SARS-CoV-2 mass vaccination: Urgent questions on vaccine safety that demand answers from international health agencies, regulatory authorities, governments and vaccine developers”

    57 Top Scientists And Doctors Release Shocking Study On COVID Vaccines And Demand Immediate Stop to ALL Vaccinations


    “Data now suggest that the majority of infected individuals develop robust and long-lasting T cell immunity, which has implications for the durability of immunity and future vaccine approaches.”

    I just bought two – one for me and one for my wife.



    Anthem spreading mis-information!

    “Myth: I already had COVID-19, so I do not need to be vaccinated.
    Fact: While previous COVID-19 infection may provide a degree of protection against reinfection, it is unknown how long that protection lasts. While research is still being done, vaccination may provide longer lasting protection against COVID-19, in addition to at least partial protection against new COVID-19 variants.”



    Dr. Day’s concern about a possible reversal of the magnetic poles ties in with China’s ghost cities which have been built in arid regions away from the coastline. It has been speculated that these cities were built there because models suggested that the reversal would lead to flooding of the coastal cities.

    Captain Ahab anyone?

    island raider

    Dr. Mike Yeadon with a very pointed article asking the ‘Why’ question:

    “BE in no doubt, among the reasons that voices and opinions like mine are never heard in the main media is extreme censorship more suited to China than a liberal democracy. Please allow me to illustrate with an example close to my heart why it is high time for us to change our response.

    Ivermectin is one of the WHO’s ‘essential drugs’ which all countries should have access to. It’s very cheap as its patent has long expired; it’s one of the most-used drugs in world history; it’s extraordinarily safe; it is often life-saving against parasitic infections. It is also one of the best-established pharmaceutical treatments for Covid-19, showing benefit in every stage of the disease, in multiple independent clinical trials of varying quality. On January 3, 2021, Dr Tess Lawrie attempted to alert the Prime Minister to the potential of ivermectin. Her video here was pulled from YouTube within hours of posting, though it survives on Vimeo. The paper by the FLCCC group of US intensivists (whose survival rates for severe Covid-19 are best in class) that was the inspiration for Dr Lawrie’s work was accepted after extensive open peer review (including two career employees of the FDA) and ‘provisionally accepted’ by the ‘open science’ journal Frontiers in Pharmacology. The screenshot of the abstract tweeted by Clare Craig shown here attracted more than 100,000 views. Then, mysteriously, it was rejected and pulled by the Frontiers editor in chief. It is still here in cached form though the Ministry of Truth has been at work and placed it in a memory hole, so no trace survives on Frontiers’ own website.

    Intended for a Special Issue on ‘repurposed drugs’ for Covid-19, various guest editors were so incensed at this behaviour that they resigned in protest. You can read their letter here. They concluded that ‘these unfortunate events constitute gross editorial misconduct by Frontiers.’ Fortunately this major paper is now published by the American Journal of Therapeutics and can be read in its final form here.

    This nevertheless successfully delayed by nearly six months its circulation to leading public health bodies starting mid-November. A copy was sent to Sir Jeremy Farrar (boss of the Wellcome Trust and member of Sage) who passed it on to Professor Peter Horby (also on Sage), amongst others, on November 18, 2020. So the efficacy of ivermectin must be well known to the Government’s advisers, but they have done nothing about it. Likewise, the formal and rigorous meta-analysis performed by Dr Tess Lawrie’s team at the Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy Ltd has been communicated to Matt Hancock, but without reply.

    I am telling you about this, because all that governments, their scientific advisers, big pharma (here’s Merck, who originally developed & marketed it) and regulatory agencies will tell you is that ivermectin doesn’t work in Covid-19. They are lying. I am inviting any of them to sue me, but they won’t, for I would win easily.

    If ivermectin was more widely used, there’d be no need for vaccines.

    To date, despite the brains, expertise and stature of those scientists questioning the official Covid-19 narrative, as a group they quite patently have been ineffective. And this is unlikely to change while, as polite professionals, they won’t say: ‘This is corruption and they’re lying deliberately to scare the people.’ Furthermore, unwittingly, they have been playing the parts intended by those, including our own Government and their advisers, who control the global Covid narrative.”

    The whole thing is worth a read:

    Why Are We Being Lied To About Covid?

    madamski cafone

    On Chinese ghost cities:

    “The “ghost city” moniker has been criticized for “calling the game at halftime”.[4] Many developments initially criticized as ghost cities did materialize into economically vibrant areas when given enough time to develop, such as Pudong, Zhujiang New Town, Zhengdong New Area, Tianducheng and malls such as the Golden Resources Mall and South China Mall.[11] While many developments failed to live up to initial lofty promises, most of them eventually became occupied when given enough time.[7]

    “A common assumption by foreign media is that local officials are strictly incentivized to start construction on this newly created urban land to boost GDP growth and look good within the Party. However, Wade Shepard points out many places which started becoming ghost cities were under the jurisdiction of an area with already strong GDP growth. He argues that these developments are seen as an investment for the future and promote development with timescales of over 20 years.[4]

    “Ordos Kangbashi is often seen as one of the first and most prominent examples of the international Chinese ghost city phenomenon and fascination. Some journalists have pointed to the Ordos Kangbashi ghost city stories as an example of media hastily and often misinformed reporting of developments in China. Such reporting may not convey the perspectives of local officials and experts, and may seek to attract readers unfamiliar with China’s development model and bemused at China’s perceived backwardness.[12] As of 2015, it was reported that Ordos Kangbashi has a population of 100,000 people, 80 percent of which are full time residents, with the remainder commuting daily from nearby Dongsheng for work.

    “Wade Shepard, author of Ghost Cities of China,[1] visited a number of the so called ‘ghost cities’ several years after they had come under publicity, and noted that:[13]

    “Today, China’s so-called ghost cities that were so prevalently showcased in 2013 and 2014 (…) have filled up to the point of being functioning, normal cities

    “After investigation, Chicago-based photographer Kai Caemmerer also noted the discrepancy between the news reports and actual situation. The cities are product of plan-driven economy that many cities are not expected to be complete or vibrant after 15 years of construction. He noted:[14]

    “Digging a little bit deeper, it became fairly clear that many of these ‘ghost cities’ were not at all abandoned or defunct, as they had been depicted, but rather just very new.” wiki

    absolute galore

    Once again bringing a wet blanket to the party. Tell me again why we are discussing or worried about a potential reversal of the magnetic field? Unlike say, the questions around Covid-19–should we take the vaccine? Does Ivermectin work? How about Vitamin D?–there is A. no evidence that this will happen any time soon. B. There is zero to be done if it is about to happen. C.Isn’t there enough unsettling stuff to keep track of ? D. It colors everything else with the same broad Chicken Little sky is falling doomsday brush. As does the repeating that vaccine adverse reactions are reported at 1%, giving license to multiply the death rate by 100. Continually searching for bad news about the vaccine may not be the best use of resources. If something major does go wrong, you will know, because your neighbor, friend, or family member will be affected. I am pretty certain more people know of someone who has died of Covid than those who know someone who has died after taking a vaccine.

    The commenters on TAE strike me as above average in intelligence. It also strikes me that in general we have personalities that are more than willing to question authority, and that our eyes have been opened to a degree about how things operate–our energy supplies and systems, corporations, the government,various other entities–that leave us highly suspicious. It also might make us more prone to err in the other direction, including extrapolating various motives and proclaiming imminent doom. I know it is something I like to keep tabs on regarding my own beliefs.

    island raider

    My experience is different: I actually know 6 people that have been hospitalized and/or had an emergency room visit from the vaccine. I do not know one person that has even had an emergency room visit, let alone died from the virus. I know several that had it… all asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic.

    Dr. D

    Guess I got to answer that one.

    As far as I understand, you are correct. They knew this pole, this field, the sun, and the ice age were all related in the 70s. Science had some reality then, and they published it. This is true in the highest, 10,000-year sense: we are due a cooling not a warming.

    Now the reaction: what do you think a planetful of war-gamers, billionaires, and politicians did when they scenarioed what would happen? That’s right: it’s so dire they clammed up and went into deep freeze, eventually coming out with a plan for total control of all heat (CO2, carbon, BTU credits) as a way of controlling and mitigating the thing. Oh and an oil war. AFTER deconds on a humans-bad population decline frenzy.

    The “Flip” is nothing. I’m not sure anyone cares if the pole is north or south. But the earth’s total protective shield is shut off as the magnetic field is shut off with the weakening before the flip. This is highly related to ice ages, like 1:1, and may go something like this: possibly the sun itself is the driver, so when the sun changes, our magnetism changes. So the weakening, the flip detects, predicts the sun-sleep. In any case, we know for a fact that cosmic rays cause cloud formation. So with no shield, we may get clouds. With no shield, we may get higher evaporation, as “ice” may be a consequence of precipitation, not “cold” per se. …Notice all tropical creatures survive all “ice” ages. More likely, a strong magnetosphere “locks” the weather into place with a solid, unchanging jet stream. “Clouds” are actually more exhibitions of charged static electrons than water. So it holds the weather stable. Note that the weather was NOT stable coming out of 1100, but re-stablized after 1600 allowing ocean voyages and colonization and northern agriculture.

    So we have just what predicted: North pole weakens, then suddenly, Russia stole our North Pole!!! It’s rocketing to Asia in record time. Weather isn’t “warmer”, note Texas and France. However, the weather IS unstable, with same temps in Alaska and Florida, snow in Saudi Arabia, 80f in Hudson Bay. etc. Rain piles up in places like N. Africa, drought elsewhere, or both in California. Problem: crops depend on weather. That’s it. Nothing your “Green Revolution” is doing will overcome 90-day rains and 90-day droughts worldwide. And the weather isn’t predictable, either, so it’s not like you can plant cactus and rice instead.

    All this has been done 1,000 times before. They’re just NOT TELLING ANYBODY, so we won’t “panic”, i.e. remain under hypnotic control and not stock up. But broad-spectrum permaculture with deep graineries is the norm worldwide for 10,000 years. Hey, maybe they weren’t ignorant stupidheads. You know: people so dumb, so unwary of ANYTHING, they put all their NorthEast pipeline switches online with a password “Password.”

    If you look, you see the shadows of this belief, and their inability to just say it and tell the truth, in their very, very long and very expensive actions. Including perhaps a rush cull of humans before the food shuts off. Need I remind you the stormy U.S. is the only remaining food exporter. How long will that last?

    But this shows the setup, the plan, the sudden and recent rush, and now the all-out sprint for total power, totalitarian domination that might—maybe—let them survive. (Spoiler: it won’t)

    They think they’re doing good by this. Throwing the weak hands overboard before the storm. I think they’re crazy. People would have pre-converted to backyard chickens and solar houses instead, as the human upswell has been, furiously countered by the overlords at every idiotic turn.

    Got it? Now imagine you’re the GOOD guys, in Military Intel or somewhere. Not only do you have THIS problem, Ice Age and shortage, not only the problem of TELLING anyone — who won’t believe you anyway (I mean I’M telling you right now, and you won’t believe me either) but the problem of the actions of 1,000 jet-using, rocket-buying, population-hating billionaires too. What do you do? How do you help? What battles do you fight and which let go?

    Look at it all from their points of view. If you knew and had the power to act, what would YOU do? GND? Fund abortion? Steal resources like oil worldwide? Release a bug? …Okay, now let’s add another twist: what if it ISN’T true, and you just FED all these Intel, think-tanks, and billionaires a load of garbage to make them act?

    Control – that is, make up — the Science, and you control the world. With the Prince of Lies.


    Perhaps you could get a job censoring stuff you disapprove of on the comments.

    a kullervo

    Humans yearn for that shot at eternity – why?

    (possible answer #1)
    – Their sense of self-entitlement blinds them.

    (possible answer #2)
    – They’re addicted to self-consciousness* (conscience as the ultimate entheogen.)

    Remember: it is possible to put whining on halt – after all, it only takes a few seconds and a 180º partial rotation to go from a windward position to a leeward one (and vice-versa.)

    * In the sense of being strongly aware of who or what they are.

    absolute galore

    The real scary news is not that the sky is falling, but that criminal hackers can take over something like the Colonial pipeline. Who knows exactly what is going on. But the main issue would be they must somehow have control of the software that controls the various valves.

    At the very least, opening these at the wrong times can mix various petroleum products, causing them to be worth nothing. So you shut it down to avoid destroying all your product. And you keep it shut down until you can unhack the hack. Or you pay the ransom.

    Joseph Tainter’s Collapse of Complex Societies comes immediately to mind. Discussing with a friend, he imagines there have already been many of these, we just do not hear about them. I would agree. But this takes it to another level, as they previously they have mostly been unable to keep it from the public eye. Bad indeed is this one. More problematic than a haywire compass (Chapeau Django.)

    Susan C

    Professor Carlo M. Cipolla’s Five Universal Laws of Stupidity written in 1976 continue to provide clarity about current events:

    Law 1: Always and inevitably everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation.
    Law 2: The probability that a certain person be stupid is independent of any other characteristic of that person.
    Law 3. A stupid person is a person who causes losses to another person or to a group of persons while himself deriving no gain and even possibly incurring losses.
    Law 4: Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular non-stupid people constantly forget that at all times and places and under any circumstances to deal and/or associate with stupid people always turns out to be a costly mistake.
    Law 5: A stupid person is the most dangerous type of person.

    You can find further explanation of the laws here.

    Present company is excluded, of course.. well, mostly. I can’t always be trusted either

    John Day

    A higher ivermectin dose, twice as high per dose, and for longer:
    Dr Vikas Sukhatme, the Dean of the School of Medicine at Emory University, got an article published today in The Times of India, presenting his personal views and not necessarily reflecting the views of the University.

    “Once you make these two changes, you will find that both fluvoxamine and ivermectin rapidly rise to the top of the list in terms of effectiveness and safety,” he writes.

    “Both drugs should be given as early as possible (ideally before symptoms or as soon as possible after first symptoms) and at a sufficiently high enough dose and duration to be effective for the virus variants prevalent in India, which in this case would be 50 mg twice a day for fluvoxamine for 14 days and .4mg/kg per day for 7 days for ivermectin.”

    Professor Vikas Sukhatme Makes Outpatient Recommendation for India


    About the darkside article by NBC there is the statement “two sources familiar with the matter” that I want to bring to your attention!

    This is one of a number of phrases the media use when they are setting the “narrative” or “spin” for the story they are writing. This is often the glaring tip off that they are setting up the big lie for the government or big corporations.

    You will constantly see in articles published by big media this technique of “unattributeable information” being dispersed throughout their articles to give their story the air of legitimacy and authority.

    Please be constantly on guard for when this technique is used. It is your only tip off that they are lying to you.

    I am almost 100% sure darkside/Russia had nothing to do with hacking the pipeline. My first suspect is the US government/corporations did this to raise gas prices. These same jokers are likely involved in getting Michigan’s dem governor to shutdown Line 5 pipeline to Ontario. Same objective.

    John Day

    The CIA was proud, in the late 1970s, of having crashed pipelines in the USSR, by “allowing” Soviets to secretly buy computer systems of pipeline management on the black market, that were already rigged to destroy the pipelines at a future date.
    This was revealed to me in my “Intelligence and National Security” class, spring of 1988, at UT Austin, my final semester before med school, by the prof, who had worked at the US embassy in Moscow shortly before that.
    We don’t know who the cyber-warriors are.

    John Day

    Oops, “spring of 1982”


    I know around 20 people who had Covid (aged 13-82) – no one hospitalised, All fully recovered. No deaths.

    I know one person who died of a stroke, one with Bells Palsy and one who went blind, each within 10 days of getting the vaccine.
    And many others who felt like shit for a few days after their shot.


    @ John Day:

    “The Central intelligence Agency is the government’s most controversial branch, with a controversial mission to match. As a clandestine organization, its secret methods and undefined goals have been the topic of much speculation…until this unique documentary film by Allan Franovich was released. Following on the heels of the damning Warren Commission and Church Committee Hearings, Inside the CIA: On Company Business gives a long and penetrating look inside one of the world’s most powerful secret organization. This long suppressed, award-winning exposé shows the CIA of 1980 and its dark (and largely unaccountable) role in the political intrigues, overseas propaganda and regime change operations which took place in the latter part of the 20th century.”


    SUNDAY SCREENING: Inside The CIA: On Company Business (1980)

    madamski cafone

    @ a kullervo

    “conscience as the ultimate entheogen.)”

    Sometimes you make my day. 🙂

    madamski cafone

    @ castrata

    “Present company is excluded, of course.. well, mostly. I can’t always be trusted either”

    Well, stupid is as stupid does and I’m certain everyone here has done a plethora of stupid things.



    I think the CIA now runs the US government.
    It has captured all 3 branches of the government plus the msm and corporations.

    John Day

    Peter McCullough MD talks to Tucker Carlson about COVID-19 and treatment. His story is the vehicle to explain the suppression of outpatient treatment information.45 minutes

    madamski cafone

    @ WES

    “I am almost 100% sure darkside/Russia had nothing to do with hacking the pipeline. My first suspect is the US government/corporations did this to raise gas prices. These same jokers are likely involved in getting Michigan’s dem governor to shutdown Line 5 pipeline to Ontario. Same objective.”

    Or someone did it; they don’t know; but blaming Russia is always their first choice. Meanwhile, this is relevant:

    Kalamazoo River oil spill

    “The Kalamazoo River oil spill occurred in July 2010 when a pipeline operated by Enbridge (Line 6B) burst and flowed into Talmadge Creek, a tributary of the Kalamazoo River. A 6-foot (1.8 m) break in the pipeline resulted in one of the largest inland oil spills in U.S. history (the largest was the 1991 spill near Grand Rapids, Minnesota[1]). The pipeline carries diluted bitumen (dilbit), a heavy crude oil from Canada’s Athabasca oil sands to the United States.[2] Cleanup took five years.[3] Following the spill, the volatile hydrocarbon diluents evaporated, leaving the heavier bitumen to sink in the water column. Thirty-five miles (56 km) of the Kalamazoo River were closed for clean-up until June 2012, when portions of the river were re-opened. On March 14, 2013, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) ordered Enbridge to return to dredge portions of the river to remove submerged oil and oil-contaminated sediment.”

    Enbridge may well have brought this on themselves. MIchigan, in particular, ios particularly sensitive to drinking water issues these days, and we all know that it it can spill, it will spill, and water is just a tad more important than oil.

    John Day
    madamski cafone

    global food exporters:

    1 United States 72,682,349.79
    2 Germany 34,628,800.73
    3 United Kingdom 29,540,218.71
    4 China 25,152,286.27
    5 France 24,114,557.76
    6 Netherlands 23,271,570.93
    7 Japan 21,870,881.77
    8 Canada 21,803,448.88
    9 Belgium 15,742,034.88
    10 Italy 13,890,507.81

    “Among the net exporters of food we find the majority of South American countries, with the exception of Venezuela and Suriname, the United States, Canada, Mauritania, Indonesia, Australia, and a few African countries such as Mauritania, Ivory Coast and Ghana. The largest net exporter of food, by far, is Argentina with $23.42 of food exports per every $1.00 of food imports. Argentina is followed by Brazil, New Zealand, Paraguay and Iceland.”

    And so forth…

    a kullervo
    a kullervo

    My dream is to become proficient in Papiamento right there where that matters.

    ( @madamski
    Glad to be of service.)


    @Doc R
    I wonder if those omega 3 studies have some correlation to covid deaths in major “fish eating” populations?


    About the Phoenix vote audit.
    The arena is booked for another week until May 14th.
    The dems are refusing to turn over the routers because they claim other “important” government data is in the routers.
    This is an outright lie!
    The election routers only contain election data (lies) and were never used by any other government departments.
    Just more make believe illegal stalling by the dems despite a judge saying earlier “turn over everything”!
    So back to the courts we go!
    Isn’t it so nice when you can ignore the courts when it suits you!

    Also noticed a court challenge has been filed in Michigan over another vote audit!

    Dems please stick another finger in your leaky voter fraud dike!

    absolute galore

    “Law 4: Non-stupid people always underestimate the damaging power of stupid individuals. In particular non-stupid people constantly forget that at all times and places and under any circumstances to deal and/or associate with stupid people always turns out to be a costly mistake.”

    In this little make-believe universe, of course, Law 4 would appear to make non-stupid people the stupidest dumbasses of all.

    absolute galore

    @madamski wrote: Meanwhile, this is relevant: Kalamazoo River oil spill

    Meaning the hackers could somehow cause the pipeline to rupture or overflow? Possible. And plenty of spills have happened on the Colonial pipeline itself. But generally this has been gasoline or other distillates, because that is the preponderance of what these pipes carry–gasoline and jet fuel from Texas refineries to airports and gasoline storage along the East Coast–45% of the Northeast supply of gasoline. These spills are bad, obviously, but easier to clean up than the heavier tar sands crude coming down from Canada in the Kalamazoo pipeline.



    Find it hard to believe Japan exports more food than Canada or that UK or Iceland is a major food exporter!
    Processed food maybe but only after importing the raw food!



    Never argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience!

    Michael Reid

    @ Dr. D

    Thank you for the detail regarding the pole flip

    John Day

    Thanks for prodding Dr.D in that direction, Absolute Galore! (Did anybody look at the lead-foil roofing?)

    Next: Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

    John Day

    Regularly Scheduled Programming just won’t post. Link only:

    John Day

    Here is some, it it takes…

    The Jackpot Chronicles Scenario #4: Atlas Shrugged​ (Um, ok, but how can you assume there will be a working internet or crypto​currency​ under such conditions?)​
    ​ ​It occurred to me that I never did finish the final instalment of last summer’s Jackpot Chronicles, wherein I posited four possible post-Covid scenarios.​..​
    ​ ​Under the Atlas Shrugged scenario, deglobalization is just one of numerous motivating factors, but it’s mainly an outcome of a larger dynamic where all non-ruling factions in society lose faith in the prevailing structure of Neoliberal Globalism (a.k.a “Mr. Global”). With Mr. Global’s viability in question, people begin to look for the exits.
    ​ ​This begins to occur on two fronts. What Vilfredo Pareto called “the non-governing elites” begin to realize that the system which used to accommodate them, even rely on their tacit support, is now becoming hostile toward them. At the very least, the ruling elites are undermining their interests. This is part of the dynamic of Peter Turchin’s “elite overpopulation” that we looked at recently.
    ​ ​The other front is the comparatively powerless underclass, which, in pace with Pareto’s Theory of Elite Cycles, lose their moorings and standing within the system they are expected to adhere to. The social contract no longer seems to be a matter of middle-class protections and living standards but instead becomes starkly authoritarian and one-sided. What is clear is that the existing institutions are now functioning to defend the position of the overclass, not to uphold the rights and liberties of the underclass.
    ​ ​The culmination of multiple super-cycles (Pareto’s Elite Cycles, Turchin’s long term dynamics of sociopolitical instability, debt, a Fourth Turning, and a Maunder Minimum for good measure) combined with an accelerated onslaught of technological innovation: Internet, crypto-currencies …biotech? Nanotech? Micro nuke? Fusion? Quantum computing? We have all the necessary components for a complete breakdown of existing institutions and the total loss of legitimacy of the current governing elite class.​..
    ​ ​In spite of this, Mr. Global’s prevailing policymakers and governance structures will frantically maneuver and spin narratives of fear and fantasy in order to keep the existing system on the rails.​..
    ​ Nation state establishments within the twilight of a declining system should be thinking deeply about their place in the new reality of network states, not pontificating how they will lord over this new landscape. The coming system will be multipolar in not just the geopolitical dimension, but across cyberspace and the network dimensions as well.

    ​Gotta’ protect freedom from communism, after all…​
    The FCC Aims to Stem Robocalls But ATT, Verizon and T-Mobile Say Wait
    The big phone companies have asked the FCC to delay measures to block robocalls​.

    US Declares State Of Emergency To Keep Gasoline Flowing After Colonial Fails To Restart Hacked Pipeline

    With fears growing that the Colonial shutdown could last for much longer than initially expected, with some analysts warning that a 5-day shutdown could lead to sharply higher prices, and the Biden admin activating a state of emergency to make sure that critical gasoline supplies continue to flow up the eastern seaboard, moments ago Colonial Pipeline issued an update on its attempts to restore operations, saying that “segments of our pipeline are being brought back online in a stepwise fashion” and that the goal now is to “substantially” restore operational service by the end of the week.

    The Middle East is reorganizing​ Thanks Eleni
    The Middle Eastern states, divided not by themselves but by the powers that colonised the region, are reorganising themselves according to their own logic. Of course these new alliances are still fragile, but the West will have to deal with them.​..​
    ​ ​These changes, if they can be sustained, will take time. However, the United Arab Emirates and Israel on the one hand, and Saudi Arabia and Iran on the other, are now facing a new question: should they not all be prepared for a new danger: the expansionism of Turkey and Qatar?
    ​ ​This is why the United Arab Emirates and Israel have formed an alliance with Greece and Cyprus, while Saudi Arabia and Iran have entered into secret talks.

    ​Now it’s no secret that Saudi Arabia is talking peace with Iran and Syria:
    This latest revelation and confirmation of Saudi-Iran talks also comes as the Saudis are reaching out the the Assad government in Damascus. Earlier this week on Tuesday multiple international reports revealed that Saudi Arabia’s powerful intelligence chief traveled to Damascus Monday to meet with his Syrian counterpart in what’s being seen as a major step toward detente. The two broke off relations since near the start of the war in 2011, especially as it became clear the Saudis were a key part of the Western allied push for regime change.

    madamski cafone

    @ absolute galore

    “Meaning the hackers could somehow cause the pipeline to rupture or overflow? Possible.”

    No, just meaning that the region has had bad experiences with pipelines in general and that company in particular, so the conflict might be simnply earnrest cponcern for the local aquifer etc.


    @ WES

    With Japan and Iceland, it’s probably seafood that is the main export.

    madamski cafone

    As for the Basic Laws of Human stupidity: a MAJOR flaw in that analysis is that he conflates actions (intelligent actions, stupid actions) with persons. There are no stupid or intelligent persons. They are only actions that are stupid or intelligent relative to the situation.

    Arguing with intelligent people is as stupid as arguing with stupid people because arguing is stupid. Fear, they say, is the mind-killer. Anger is a secondary emotion born of fear. It is even more stupid than fear.

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