Debt Rattle October 12 2023
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October 12, 2023 at 8:25 am #144622Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
Pablo Picasso Self portrait with palette 1906 • Israeli Assault on Gaza is Doomed to Fail (Scott Ritter) • Western Virtue Signaling Goes Hypers
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle October 12 2023]October 12, 2023 at 10:02 am #144623aspnazParticipantThe Abraham Accords are a peace initiative started in 2020 by the Trump administration that seeks to get Arab countries to unilaterally recognize the State of Israel, without West Jerusalem itself making any concessions regarding the issue of Palestinian statehood.
Trump is an ego who is good at real estate. How can the USA ever save itself if it has politicians answering to Jews? Trump is a rich anglo saxon who answers to Jews. Where are the ballsy anglo saxons, the people who fought for US independence?
October 12, 2023 at 10:37 am #144624V. ArnoldParticipantPablo Picasso Self portrait with palette 1906
I often wonder just how much of our daily reality is actually considered?
October 12, 2023 at 11:37 am #144625RedParticipant“If current trends continue, civil war in Europe is inevitable,” So Europe is a country? If so, than it is already at civil war, and has been since ’14,Ukraine?
Aspnaz: “Where are the ballsy anglo saxons, the people who fought for US independence?”
Long ago buried.
October 12, 2023 at 11:52 am #144626RedParticipant‘If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – for ever,’ said O’Brien, the grand inquisitor of the totalitarian regime in Orwell’s futuristic novel 1984.
Alternatively, you could imagine a sandal.
October 12, 2023 at 12:28 pm #144627Dr. DParticipant“Sen. @RandPaul says new bombshell revelation will eventually bring down Anthony Fauci. And says that 8 different agencies tried to cover up”
Promises promises. We already know. And nothing has happened. Since we already know, what new thing do you think you can add? That he tortures puppies? We know.
The only thing that will help is ACTION. Action, like ARRESTING him and holding him without bail for trial. Lacking that STFU, you’re part of the problem.
RFK, that’s fine. It’s a good intro ad. He has a good team.
People keep bringing up his platform. Yes, there’s a lot of problems there. You don’t get everything you want. So what were you expecting? Where would you go instead? I’m not saying that question is nothing or that I will vote for him. I’m just asking since you have to do something, what is that something you plan to do?
10 to 1 against, Hezballah wiped the floor with them. “The war was an unmitigated disaster for the IDF. Hezbollah commanders found that Israeli troops were by and large poorly organized and disciplined, with very little training that was relevant”
Okay, fine. Important to know. THEN ISRAEL DID THE SAME BUT HARDER. So there are even fewer old soldiers around, and even more political tranny generals. If that were a few years, fine, but we’re talking almost 20 years of the same direction. That. Is not. Good.
Can we see more? Well, apparently not only did they “Not see” Hamas’ planning – despite having been told directly – Hamas and ordinary jimbo kids just walked into empty Army stations, undefended. That’s an ASTONISHING absence of discipline that is so deep it goes to the Cabinet – for years – and can instantly topple the country. It’s like a Bible story, “Mene mene tekel”, Haman’s noose or something. The tree is rotten enough, you walk right in; anything can knock it over.
I can get guns, that’s easy. How do you re-write losers and pantywaists into SERIOUS people? That takes years, and hardship. Essentially, the only way to fix it is to LOSE and then catch Hamas on the reformation. Now Israel is astonishingly more large and powerful than especially Hamas, but this is an insoluble problem. Wheel of Samsara, Cycles of Time stuff. I don’t know what to tell them since my country is the same. However, we have hardened, battered fellows here in 90% of the counties, and are only run by the 12 blessed blue cities, who are our Hamas gendarmes. This is in contrast to what you see on TV and social media; although they are not organized or motivated, they certainly know how to take punishment.
“Urban combat is extraordinarily difficult. …amongst the rubble”
I had not fully realized this. Since they had unlimited time and Israel provided constant motivation, the whole place is nothing but secret tunnels even to Egypt. So bombing it actually HELPS Hamas, since they’re “safe” underground, while you now have confusion above and have hardened the tunnels by adding a mountain of concrete overtop of them. “We have an aircraft carrier offshore.” To do WHAT? To hit a camel in the butt? You have no targets. And this isn’t a secret, the U.S. and Israel are the only ones who don’t realize it.
And again, thinking of them merely as prisoners in a mass concentration camp really clarifies what’s going on here. WE are supporting an Auschwitz that puts Auschwitz to shame. Hitler could only DREAM of a concentration camp of millions and millions, all in the open, approved by everyone. Would have done a happy-dance on the beach in bikini for it. So if you want to know what they will – and thanks to them, MUST do – think of it as a giant jailbreak. Of violent, pissed off felons.
Oh well, too late now; it’s going where it’s going. Nobody listens to my opinion.
“EU announced withdrawal of its support for Palestine … before walking back the move just hours later.”
So they’re supporting both sides again. It is truly amazing the level Europe has gotten to. They’re beginning to make the Americans look like geniuses. Like Blinken does not want war? Openly and immediately?
And in the sidebar of “24”, “Europe made a ‘grave mistake’ on immigration – Kissinger
Kissinger is a core monster who will get these guys and their demented plan to the finish line. All they have to do is whatever he says. Nope. And thank God, by the way. Can’t listen to Harry, he’s far too soft for them and doesn’t reach far enough.
“…Erdogan and Putin are contemplating a Turkish ship convoy of aid to Gaza, protected from Israeli attack by the Russian Navy”
…Aaaaaand we’re in WWIII, kicks off for real. I guess we’ll see, but everybody seems well on board. Some event or another should miscalculate.
“Abraham Accords. Trump, Kushner, Pompeo.”I actually did not follow this or its details. I suspect in hindsight the lack of reporting means what I said yesterday: it’s therefore a scam, a sham, and a lie. Nazi-Hitler Trump, with his Jewish family, who was elected by Jewish billionaires, and supported Israel at every turn in quid pro quo. Yup! That’s what “Hitler” means now. Nazis always support Jews and Israel. …Just like yesterday, Tweets that “only White Supremacists/KKK wave Israeli flags at their rallies.” Yes, that was actually said by the Left. With not a trace of contradiction. Ilan Omar took the other tack, which was to fly both a Gay rainbow flag AND a Palestinian Muslim fundamentalist flag. “It’s one big tent” as they say. People who are gay, and people who shoot gays on sight are really the same. She did NOT have an American Flag. That is a bridge too far.
So not picking on that side, but I mean the rabid death cult of the RINOs is on display and is being well-covered. My point is more “This is the level of (non)thinking going on in America right now” as demonstrated by the TIPPY TOP: that is, Congressmen, Aides, Reporters, think tanks…
Pure. Genius.
She really needs to set up a CHAZ in greater Minneapolis run by Hamas and see what her gay friends think of it. …I guarantee they will prefer Trump, who is openly pro gay marriage. Trump or Death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkWbEmtYXs&pp=ygUNY2FrZSBvciBkZWF0aA%3D%3D
I’m probably wrong. They’d probably still vote for death. Easy pick though. Do I want legally pro gay marriage or do I want me and everyone I know to die by supporting Islamic fundamentalists? Enough fun with that, it speaks for itself. This is the level of thinking going on here, every day, every where.
Like, “We have a business, can’t get anything done, no one will show up and work.” Have you tried raising wages? “No actually, we fired all the workers, doubled the number of managers have have 20 more hours of safety training each week.” (See “Slack”) It didn’t work, but our minds are so addled, we also didn’t notice and applauded, gave ourselves bonuses, and a big pizza party. Level of thinking. Bottom to the top.
So, being productive, if you’re NOT bat s—t crazy, demented, violent, harmful, lazy sot, what are you supposed to do here? If you work they’ll fire you. If you don’t work, you won’t get paid. And it’s really, really hard to pretend to be insane amongst complete blathering lunatics so they don’t catch on, ask-me-how-I-know.
“Source of Dubious ‘Beheaded Babies’ Claim Is Israeli Settler Leader (GZ)
Golly, the Incubator Babies story is false? If only we had some kind of warning, some kind of previous example to learn from.
https://www.greanvillepost.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/german_bayoneting_children_-_life_-_july_25_1915-740×580.png
100 years ago. Every year, every time, 100 times in a row.Nope! Not this time! This time my government and those yellow journalist billionaires are telling me the truth!
“we didn’t see any evidence of this, and the army spokesperson or commanders also didn’t mention any”
But using the classic regurgitating “Centipede” line like Yahoo and RussiaGate, they (Biden) “report there were reports”. False reports, mind you, but I’m reporting there was false reporting. (and forgetting to tell you it was all false.) Okay, fine. Villains do this. But THE PEOPLE just keep eating it. It never ends. As far as I can tell there is no limit point to where they stop believing their abusers.
“Extensive Gas Reserves Off The Gaza Coastline (Monotti) :
Let’s see, Gaza gasfields, Syrian pipeline. Huh, somehow two wars happened to pop up right after! Just like Armenia. “there is no limit point to where they stop believing their abusers.” And you wonder why they think we’re vermin and their world is run by contempt.
“Zelensky ‘Starting To Annoy’ Everyone In US, Europe – Peskov (TASS)
Why now? A: Only because he’s losing. That’s the only care. Lost a million men, his entire nation? What? Were you saying something? I was busy thinking about my yacht and Epstein Island. That’s where their minds, their logic is. It only follows emotion, it follows the money. A turkey turns into a tree when my feelz say it does. This is what people like me can’t predict or understand. To me, he’s the same man to whom actual events happened. If anything I’m more sympathetic, even as my sense of principles and justice determines and cannot change.
“White House spokesperson John Kirby announces that the U.S. is “coming to the end of the rope” with regard to Ukraine funding.”
We see that in the media first. They get the first Memo to pre-plan and pre-position. I follow that as my weathervane of what’s happening and it remains faultless. But that means “The Media”, all of them, are nothing, zero, a mouthpiece of CIA and Corporate State without single exception, otherwise that wouldn’t be possible. So when you think “media” think “#AntiMedia”. That is the people who will NOT report the news, ever, even once, even on accident. Sad affairs.
“flow of people that is of such magnitude that we’re leading to a collapse of social services,”
Cloward-Pivon. As written and discussed openly for decades. But just because they said it, write it, publish it, sign their names to it, then do it, doesn’t mean it’s real, silly-billy. The other problem is none of the immigrants are Hispanic anymore. They’re all fighting-age Central Asians, Chinese, lots of types. I’m sure they brought that gun and enough fentanyl to level el Paso because they’re just looking for work, right? No reporting on this change, as above. #AntiMedia.
“material that he would have had to remove from a sensitive compartmented information facility or secure room on Capitol Hill.”
Nobody cares. Nothing will happen. Everybody knows. They all support it. AntiMedia? The whole U.S. is #AntiLaw. FROM the People THEY are antiLaw. As we saw starting as far back as trailer trash Hillary and Bill, straight off Jerry Springer, and you can look up the allegations against them at that time, in the media, including CBS, NBC, the core dinosaurs. First thing ever said was Bill can’t be President because of his well-known history, the very thought was a non-starter. So when the People didn’t mind, well, a new door opened. That’s not to say previous criminals weren’t bad. We know JFK and Poppa Bush. But Bush was a SMART, Cagey, secret villain, and JFK was his private life. When these are openly advertised to the American People and they say “We don’t mind, we’re that corrupt and antiMarriage, antiRules, AntiLaw too” well, there you are. Democracy at work. You get the country YOU deserve, that reflect YOUR values.
So here we are with the logical extension of that, and obviously no one cares because the People also become equally more corrupt that whole time too.
“4 years as VP is some 1450 days. That’s 20 mails per day, every single day. That’s a lot. Doesn’t mention the pseudonym accounts. • VP Biden Emailed About Son’s Business 29,000+ Times (Fed.)
20 a day is one an hour or three an hour for workdays. That’s amazing. I have new respect for him as a worker. I had no idea he was that industrious. Tireless, in fact, in pursuit of corruption. If only I could hire an employee who would keep that up.
“Once notified, platforms (e.g., X) become liable for the notified content, if it is indeed illegal … They then must quickly take appropriate action”What do they mean by this and who decides? This is the standard armchair “Somebody (else) oughta do something” argument. Okay, it’s been flagged. IS it illegal? Says who? Like home prices this may seem obvious on the outside but isn’t. DA and Police, etc have endless arguments about it all career long, look at “Law and Order” a show that is basically nothing BUT this. Not only is it POSSIBLY illegal, but is it ACTUALLY illegal? And How fast do we need to act on it? Who decides? Or else what? Now if we report it to the police the same problems exist but we have a 1,000 history of what is appropriate in that legal space.
What will actually happen? Companies don’t – in fact, CAN’T – care. They will remove everything reported by anyone, for any reason. That’s it. 100% censorship, every day, a boot stomping on your ears, forever. And probably also not refer it to the police as that’s too much work and I’m not a policeman. Result? Again, Elon Musk is God. He decides all, for everyone. Is that the world you want to live in? Hey, can we go back to Sec230 and actually pretend that’s the law it is again?
“Trusted Flaggers that notify content too often inaccurately can lose their privileged status,”
We already know “Trusted Flaggers” report universally true material all day. We also know there is an endless revolving door of NGOs set up, even if you knock out a thousand of them. You’ll never get to having “Trusted” anything. Worse, you could have 99 actual honest ones and the 1 dishonest one could still cause enough damage that you might as well have 99 bad ones and 1 honest. See?
We know Octopus are aliens, (they have no DNA relatives) but are Cuttlefish?
I wonder what the original crashed Octopus Lord space ship looked like and what they think of it.
October 12, 2023 at 12:41 pm #144628zerosumParticipantMy way or the highway.
Nothing new. To solve this problem by force have the upper hand.
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Prpaganda
The West carried the story without a shred of critical scrutiny.
” had killed 40 “babies,” and beheaded several of them”
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Journalists are complicite in the lies.October 12, 2023 at 2:21 pm #144629Figmund SreudParticipantIn a nutshell: … lack of natural intelligence in artificial intelligence! And much more, …
… more from Crooke:F.S.
October 12, 2023 at 2:28 pm #144630Figmund SreudParticipant… er, a Digital Token platform just launched?
F.S.
October 12, 2023 at 3:04 pm #144631jb-hbParticipantfrom yesterday
Felony Assaults Against Women in New York Up 41% Over the Last Four Years
One of several simultaneous collapses that are happening
I came across an article that a woman was attacked on the subway and was outraged that 2 middle aged white men walked out of the subway car. THAT’S who she was outraged at. So taking stock:
1. Angry at two white male innocent bystanders
2. Rather than angry at her attacker
3. The bystanders have a sex and race, but the attacker does not
4. Not angry at anyone else in the train car
5. Doesn’t seem to have any contextual understanding of men intervening to protect women in the past and having their lives ruined. Voting record likely always pro policies responsible for this.Aside from all the other possible observations, a woman who, faced with the physical fact of being attacked, comes to this conclusion, has a bedrock-level, unshakeable religious view of reality. She sees the world through a fundamentally religious lens such that ANY event, any physical data has the same answer. Can’t understand that the CONCLUSION she is coming to is the very reason for non-intervention.
A person who believes this way hasn’t just given up the social contract, hasn’t merely become a contemptuous non cooperative competitor. They are an outright enemy. Their decisions and actions at their job, their voting record, the statements they make socially, everything was in enmity towards the very demographic who left the train car. If you piled up everything she has said and done over decades in one place, how big would the pile be? Those guys sized things up exactly right. In days gone by, they would have helped anyway.
Came across a comedy routine about “men have stopped helping women.” Female comedian talks about trying to wrestle her carryon into an overhead compartment and a large strong man watching her rather than helping. “oh so now you think YOU being lazy is feminism – you go girl, you got this”
Who packed your bag, ma’am? Did a MAN pack it? Men pack their carryon luggage in such a way that they do not require charity from strangers just to get through their day.
Imagine the same man, the same stranger, coming across you while you were packing that bag and volunteering advice. Oh dear god I can imagine the reaction. Would a man have mansplained that you need to pack more or need to pack less?
Do you have no object permanence perception, no understanding that physical things are real and remain real after you put them in your suitcase and close it? You don’t have any idea of your own strength? Couldn’t perceive its weight when you carried it towards your door to leave? Need someone to mansplain it to you? Are women The New Special Needs? (Like the football kicker we celebrated that did the worst kick in the world and instantly fled the field like a coward instead of going forward with the rest of the team like every kicker ever?)
Men are stronger? Who packs more luggage, men or women? So the man is stronger AND packs less??? Huh. And if you were in the audience watching a male comedian do a routine about how women pack too much luggage, your reaction would be…?
And you’re just unware of the past couple decades happening, all the various reasons for that man staying put and not helping you? The main reason being your underlying religious beliefs allowing you to even formulate your comedy routine?
Whether it is something mundane as a suitcase or serious as a violent assault. 2 societal breakdowns.
(And understand, I am coming from a place of being a left leaning liberal atheist libertine who believed in total equality between the sexes.)
The first collapse is an amazingly serious one – the social contract is dead. Men are not helping women. If they do, women are all for punishing them for it. See their continual voting record, policy choices, etc.
The second collapse is inside normie womens’ heads. I am very VERY sorry to say it, but they love the new religion more than ANYTHING else – the one they proclaim with the WE BELIVE rainbow signs with black background on their lawns. The super hateful ones. They will work shit jobs til they die, be horribly alone, be unprotected, have their society become crappy, incompetent, and unsafe, ANYTHING but give that up. They’re #%#ing GONE, man.
There is a significant male population segment that is aware of and working the problem. Just for example, the neo-stoic movement. They’re well aware that any institution, hobby, group, club, subculture they form gets attacked. So they’re down to individual self-improvement, which they have earnestly adopted. Gaining skills, getting their finances in order, eating healthy, reading philosophy, and going to the gym are part of that…
…but the gym got filled with weirdo women wearing ridiculous outfits, constantly filming themselves and the people around them, who try to construe absolutely ANYTHING as sexual harassment, posting the video with their commentary to thousands, millions, or getting them kicked out of their gym. There was a BLIND MAN who one of these women complained about “creepy stares” who lost his gym membership. He EXPLAINED “I am blind, I cannot see ANYTHING” … “Yeah bro but, uh, you still can’t be staring creepily at women like that here.” So gyms are collapsing now as a result. Make Them Welcome Nowhere, right?
Stages of collapse:
1. financial
2. commercial
3. political
4. social
5. culturalMen not helping women is cultural collapse, surely. Men guessing that a woman in need is most likely their active, vociferous, implacable enemy and being right is too. Both awful.
Most awful is that communication appears to be impossible on a cultural level. I saw an interview of an author who wrote a book on the male suicide epidemic. He was being interviewed by 3 women. He got about 2.5 sentences out, the last one was going to be “…and it seems like whenever this issue comes up, it seems like the problem is denied, it’s denied that it is a male issue, or the subject gets changed to womens’ issues”
Keeping in mind, this is an interview about a book on the male suicide epidemic. They jumped in – as if knowing what to stop him from saying, shouted him down, said it isn’t an issue, it isn’t a male issue, and proceeded to fill up the remaining time with things men should stop doing, need to do better, or need to start doing.
There is a cultural breakdown here where certain basic things – such as a suicide epidemic – do not compute. The idea that the suicide epidemic is BECAUSE of “does not compute” also does not compute. What’s compassion? And of course everyone is losing out now. Except the elites who were weirdo freaks living in their enclaves and on their yachts with no healthy psyches or culture to begin with. At least we had each other up until now.
October 12, 2023 at 3:08 pm #144632RedParticipantOctober 12, 2023 at 3:13 pm #144633RedParticipantThe idea of declaring an emergency was first proposed to Club of Rome by British consultant and psychotherapist David Wasdell in 2005.
Wasdell, with training from Tavistock Institute, had written a paper called Global Warning that was circulated during the G8 summit in Gleneagles in 2005, with the mission of getting the climate issue higher up on the political agenda.
We have a narrow remaining window to engage global strategic planning and mobilisation, followed by a maximum of fifty years to achieve the transition, to scale down resource usage, to terminate inequitable capital accumulation, and to stabilise and begin the long term reduction of global population.
Wasdell was then invited by the Club of Rome president Prince El Hassan bin Talal to make a speech at their annual conference in Norfolk, Virginia.
In order to achieve the desired impact, Wasdell advised them to:
Recognise that there now exist a state of global emergency
Declare excess CO2 to be an eco-toxin [!] with potentially catastrophic impact on the global biosphere
Develop and operationalize an emergency strategy to move our global society towards a zero or negative carbon economy within the shortest possible timescale
Develop and operationalize the most effective institutional instruments to manage the transition.
Wasdell, who became an adviser to Al Gore, was also working closely with the Potsdam Institute of Climate Impact Research (PIK) and its director and Club of Rome-member Hans Joachim Schellnhuber to develop the concept of Tipping Points in the climate system.[1]This concept was incorporated into the Planetary Boundaries framework, which was developed under the leadership of Johan Rockström at the Stockholm Resilience Centre and introduced in the article “A safe operating space for humanity” in 2009. This was done in cooperation with Schellnhuber and PIK.[2]
Planetary Boundaries is a framework to “describe limits to the impacts of human activities on the Earth system”. If left unchecked, it is said to trigger cascading tipping points leading to “large-scale abrupt or irreversible environmental changes”. To prevent this potential scenario, a top-down population control is considered necessary.
More:
Declaration of a Planetary Emergency to Begin “the Long Term Reduction of Global Population”
October 12, 2023 at 3:23 pm #144634D Benton SmithParticipantThe thing with bad people is that they think that the way to have the freedom to do whatever they want requires taking that freedom away from others. This is because the thing that they want is something that harms others (like stealing their stuff, or hurting and enslaving them) so if others had the freedom to stop that from happening then they would, indeed, stop it.
So, from the bad guy’s point of view, it sure IS necessary to take away other people’s freedom, in order to have it for themselves, because if they didn’t then they would not be allowed to do whatever they want.
The problem is that it is not possible to have freedom for self at same time as denying it to others. Can’t be done. It’s a logical absurdity.
The slave master is enslaved.
There is only one thing that a slave master is allowed to do, and he MUST do that one thing steadily and at all times. He must take away the freedom of others to do what they need and want to do, because if he allows those slaves to have the freedom to do what they need and want to do, for even an instant, then those slave will use that freedom to put an end to the slavery (and usually to the slave master along with it.)
There is freedom for all, or for none. It’s as intractably simple as that.
October 12, 2023 at 3:53 pm #144635jb-hbParticipantIt is time China started taking Europe more seriously, says EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell
“My first objective is to reaffirm to my Chinese interlocutors that Europe takes China seriously and has no hidden agenda aiming at derailing its rise.
“At the same time, we expect from China to take us more seriously and stop looking at us through the lens of its relations with others. Our assessment and conduct is driven by our own interests,” Borrell said.Surely this will give China pause. (Hm. Take them more seriously???) …to take a breath and say
“And what will you do about it? Stamp your foot? Hold your breath?”
“But you ARE a US puppet.”
October 12, 2023 at 4:05 pm #144636Just Some RandomerParticipant@jb-hb Borrell is a pompous buffoon. His little tantrum reminds of this Southpark episode
‘Respect My Authoritaaa’.
Lol
October 12, 2023 at 4:54 pm #144637D Benton SmithParticipant@JustSomeRandomer
That South Park cartoon clip just nails it.
October 12, 2023 at 5:01 pm #144638D Benton SmithParticipantThose Israeli’s are really tough guys when they’re up against unarmed civilians, especially women, children, and non-belligerent air travelers at civilian airports in foreign countries.
Notice how they avoided bombing the Russian military air base, even though Iran can use that one just as easily as they used to be able to use the civilian airport in Damascus that Israel just bombed without provocation or warning.
They’re not making many friends, but they sure are influencing people.
October 12, 2023 at 6:26 pm #144639anticlimacticParticipantFrom the way Netanyahu is talking he wants to change Gaza from a concentration camp to an extermination camp. I am sure that by now more Palestinian civilians have died than Israelis were killed by Hamas. The question is how many Palestinian deaths will assuage this bloodlust – ten thousand? A hundred thousand? A million? All of them?
While Western MSM has largely ignored the bombing of Palestinians in the past now it is actively cheering the Israelis on! The question is whether the Israeli retribution becomes excessive.
Already condemnation of Hamas is not universal, even in the West. If Israel goes too far it could cause problems for them. Hezbollah may feel the need to become fully involved. They have thousands of battle hardened troops, and thousands of missiles and at least some are fitted with accurate guidance systems.
Also there are now significant numbers of muslims in most Western countries. This issue could prompt them into terrorist campaigns. International relations with Israel could become strained. If Iran becomes involved, through choice or action by others, then potential fallout could be drastic.
Israel’s attitude to the Palestinians makes me think of the Klu Klux Klan’s attitude to African Americans.
October 12, 2023 at 6:29 pm #144640D Benton SmithParticipantThe Great Western Empire’s situation (with Israel right in there with ’em) reminds me of that old “boiling frog” allegory, but with one major difference. Israel and the others KNOW that they’re being slow-boiled. That’s why they’re stirring up all these fights, and why no one is taking them up on the offer to turn up the heat too fast. Basically the reason they don’t just jump out of the pot right now is that they’re scared shitless to go up against anybody capable of shooting back on the large scale, and nukes are of no use when there’s no centralized target to aim them at. What are they going to do, nuke radical Islamists, MAGA Trumpers and everybody else who hates the Cabal, while their own central hubs of power like DC, London and Tel Aviv are sitting ducks?
Their fear is well founded.
And their opponents’ understanding of the dynamics of the situation is crystal clear. They will not give the West any excuse ….. or target…… for playing the nuclear “Ace In The Hole” card that the Cabal thought would hold everyone at bay forever.
Slow boil does the trick, until the “West” (and we all know who they are) are a small, terrified nuke-less chitlin’ of a former frog at the bottom of the pot.
October 12, 2023 at 6:45 pm #144641John DayParticipantAssuming Positions https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/assuming-positions
Where to begin today? I will keep snippets and my comments brief, because there are so many links, several taking 20 minutes to read.
US Sending Two Carrier Strike Groups To Mideast Region, Taps Qatar To Assist Hostage Mediation With Hamas
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-now-actively-fighting-secondary-front-northern-border-hezbollah-idfHamas: For every no-warning strike on Palestinians, 1 Israeli executed ,
Al-Qassam Brigades military spokesperson says this decision comes as the Israeli entity continues its massacres in Gaza against the children, women, and elderly.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20231010/health-ministry-in-gaza-strip-calls-for-opening-of-corridor-for-urgent-medicine-supplies-1114056475.htmlU.S. SPECIAL FORCES HAVE LANDED IN ISRAEL TO HELP FREE HOSTAGES
U.S. Special Forces Have Landed in Israel to Help Free Hostages
The US is sending 2 amphibious assault ships with 3000 USMC to the eastern mediterranean.
https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/oi-ipa-kinitopoioun-kai-tin-26i-ekstrateftiki-monada-pezonafton-me-tria-ploia-amfivion-epicheiriseon-israilinos-ypostratigos-pros-netaniachou-tha-pesoume-se-iraniki-pagida-sti-gaza/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wappOctober 12, 2023 at 6:46 pm #144642John DayParticipantUS sends 101st Airborne Division to Jordan.
https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/rosia-fygete-oloi-apo-to-israil-analytes-vlepoun-genikefsi-tou-polemou-me-maches-5-metopa-oi-ipa-stelnoun-tin-101i-aerometaferomeni-merarchia-stin-iordania/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wappBiden Says He’s Seen “Confirmed Pictures” Of Hamas Beheading Children, WH Issues Immediate Clarification
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-says-hes-seen-confirmed-pictures-hamas-beheading-children-wh-issues-immediateSource of dubious ‘beheaded babies’ claim is Israeli settler leader who incited riots to ‘wipe out’ Palestinian village , Max Blumenthal
After an Israeli reserve soldier named David Ben Zion told a reporter Palestinian militants “cut [off] heads of babies,” Biden, Netanyahu, and the international media amplified the dubious claim.
The Grayzone has identified Ben Zion as a fanatical settler leader who incited riots by demanding a Palestinian town be “wiped out.” A spokeswoman for the Israeli army said that there was no reliable information about the brutal killings of 200 people and the beheadings of infants in the Israeli kibbutz of Kfar Aza.
https://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/157906-kfar_aza_massacre/Trump Suggests Biden Is Given Cocaine To “Liven Up” , “They say, ‘get him off the stage, that shit’s wearing off, man! Get him off’”
October 12, 2023 at 6:47 pm #144643John DayParticipantHigh level acceptance of partial blame may be a signal of creeping rationality in the power structure.
Israel’s Defense Chief Admits Failure To Protect Citizens After Security “Collapsed Like Dominoes”
As heavy Israeli bombardment of the Gaza Strip continues for a sixth day, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) have said they are degrading Hamas’ ability to rule, with spokesman Daniel Hagari stating, “In certain areas, the organization can no longer rule and we will continue until this is the case throughout.”
Hagari has also said that “Israel is targeting those who filmed and broadcast Hamas’s murderous invasion of southern Israel on Saturday morning. Overnight, the military killed Mustafa Shahin, a Hamas operative the IDF identified from footage online.”
However, one wonders: if Israel’s military and intelligence is this efficient at positively identifying Hamas operatives and their residences or hideouts in the middle of a war unfolding, how was Saturday’s large-scale incursion – in which jihadists even took over IDF outposts – able to happen? How was it not foreseen (and with the widely reported Egyptian advanced warning to boot)?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israels-defense-chief-admits-failure-protect-citizens-after-security-collapsedCompared to this position 3 days ago: Israel Calls Palestinians “Human Animals” – Cuts Fuel, Electric FOOD and WATER to Gaza
Israeli Defense Minister orders siege on Gaza: “There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel. We are fighting human animals and we will act accordingly.”
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/israel-calls-palestinians-human-animals-cuts-fuel-electric-food-and-water-to-gazaYesterday: Israeli Defense Minister: “We have abolished all the rules of war. Our soldiers will not be held responsible for anything. There will be no military courts”
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/israeli-defense-minister-we-have-abolished-all-the-rules-of-war-our-soldiers-will-not-be-held-responsible-for-anything-there-will-be-no-military-courts Mike McCaul is the wealthiest Congressman. He was not when he was first elected. McCaul is an insider. This is some kind of signal.
Israel knew of Hamas attack in advance – US lawmaker , Representative Michael McCaul backed up earlier claims that Egypt tipped officials off to an impending assault
https://www.rt.com/news/584687-israel-knew-attack-egypt/ Simplicius points out that Israeli ground forces being called up are not trained or motivated to be storm-troopers in the ruins of Gaza, laced with fortified underground tunnels. They do not currently even have enough food or uniforms.
This is a long and detailed article, but I want to point out that he points out the foreshadowing of “terror attacks in major cities around the world” to be carried out tomorrow, Friday the 13th of October, by “Hamas” and “Iranian infiltrators” and “Islamic terrorists”.
It is clear that there is a big and global effort to get people pumped into tribal-killing-rage. Don’t fall for it, please.
Israeli Ground Forces Get Cold Feet? + Ukraine War Updates
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/israeli-ground-forces-get-cold-feetOctober 12, 2023 at 6:49 pm #144644John DayParticipant(Serbian) Aleks at Black Mountain Analysis also has a longish and detailed analysis of the manipulation of peoples through tribalism and warfare. He closes with this:
I want to warn you all. There have been camps until now. Ukraine supporters against Russia supporters for example. These camps are consistent with many other topics. Essentially, it is the anti-imperialists/sovereigntists against the empire supporters (most of them don’t even know that they support an empire).
With this new war, new dividing lines occur between all of us. Especially in the West. Even the both aforementioned camps are now further divided in Pro-Israel and Pro-Palestina supporters. And with the brutal, graphic and disgusting pictures that are arriving from the civilian areas, it polarizes all of us even more. This is intentional. Don’t fall for this trap. It is “divide and conquer”. Don’t let hate and emotions control you. Keep a cool head and evaluate all events rationally.
I stand my ground. BMA will stay neutral in this conflict. We are pro-Israel and pro-Palestina. Pro- civilians of both sides. These people are being played against each other for the benefit of others. We pray for a quick end and peace.
https://bmanalysis.substack.com/p/israel-44bI just watched the first 15 minutes of this with Alastair Crooke, which is an excellent, balanced and contextual analysis of why the crisis happened last Saturday. Thanks F.S.
Extremist Politics in Israel and Ukraine – Alastair Crooke, Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen
Brian Berletic, an excellent mideast military analyst for decades, brings the Israeli military position into context, which begins at about 15:50. Thanks Eleni.
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Erupts Amid US Proxy War in Ukraine
Mohammed Deif is the military commander of the Hamas forces. He has long been known as “the visitor”, since he never stays in one place. He has taken serious injuries in 5 Israeli airstrike attempts upon his life, including in 2014 when his wife and 2 children were killed. He has one eye, one good arm and a bad spine. He obtained a university science degree before joining Hamas in 1990. (Thanks to Eleni for some of this historical context.)
Hamas was originated through the Muslim Brotherhood, long a cat’s-paw of British and US intelligence covert operations. The Mossad needed a divisive counterweight to the PLO. Hamas served that function. Hamas helped the Syrian rebels against the Assad government at one point, as did the Morsi government (M. Brotherhood) in Egypt.
Hamas is touted as “an Iranian-controlled terrorist organization”, but it has a history of being (somewhat) “controlled-opposition”.
The question in my mind, which is not readily answered, is whether Mohammed Deif, seemingly a “live player” in history, has redirected the military arm of the controlled-opposition onto a rationalist patriotic trajectory. I do not have an answer, but Deif is clearly intelligent, diligent, and has every reason to believe that he will die fighting for his cause.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Deif“Iron Dome” does not work well at baseline, and is readily overwhelmed by salvos of many smallish rockets.
How Hamas Attack Revealed Iron Dome’s InefficiencyOctober 12, 2023 at 6:52 pm #144645John DayParticipantAre they giving warnings before dropping bombs on high rise apartment buildings yet?
WW3 | Israel Continues Air Bomb Strikes on Gaza. Military Summary And Analysis For 2023.10.11
Scott Ritter has a scathing and detailed assessment of the many capabilities and limitations of the Israeli Defense Forces, but here is his summary: Thanks Travis.
Israeli Assault on Gaza is Doomed to Fail
The Israeli military today is more comfortable making TikTok videos and posting Instagram photographs than they are in perfecting the skillsets needed to close with and destroy your enemy through firepower and maneuver. This is a military that, with a few exceptions found in the elite reconnaissance units of the IDF, has grown accustomed to a peacetime ritual more akin to the life of a corrections officer than soldier. The IDF has become experts at arresting children, beating up women, and murdering unarmed men.
Digging a competent enemy out of the rubble of a destroyed city, especially when they have prepared and organized for such a battle, is deadly work. The Israeli troops who have been assembled outside of Gaza are not ready for this fight. They are not trained or equipped for this fight. They are not psychologically prepared for this fight.
https://sputnikglobe.com/20231011/scott-ritter-israeli-assault-on-gaza-is-doomed-to-fail-1114109205.htmlOver 20,000 houses, 10 medical facilities destroyed by Israeli strikes on Gaza — ministry (2 days ago, now)
According to the report, a total of 48 local schools have also been damaged
https://tass.com/world/1688073 In a chilling video interview with Fox News, US Presidential hopeful Nikki Haley has called on Americans to support Israel while telling the Israeli leader to ‘finish off’ Palestinians.
“This should be personal for every woman and man in America,” Haley said in the interview, which she posted on her social media channels.
“Why?”, she added, “because when (Palestinians) did this, when they made this surprise attack, when they took these hostages, when they murdered these families, they were celebrating.”
“And what were they celebrating?” Haley asked, before answering herself, “They were saying ‘Death to Israel,’ ‘Death to America.’ This is not just an attack on Israel. This is an attack on America.”‘Call for Genocide’: Nikki Haley Tells Netanyahu ‘Finish Them’
Some Israeli actions ‘against international law’ – EU , Denying Gaza water, food and electricity is not appropriate, Josep Borrell has said
https://www.rt.com/news/584594-borrell-eu-israel-law-gaza/October 12, 2023 at 6:53 pm #144646John DayParticipantIsraeli lawmaker calls for using ‘doomsday weapons’, Gaza should be “flattened” with nuclear-capable missiles, a member of the Knesset from the ruling party has stated https://www.rt.com/news/584609-israe-gaza-jericho-missiles/
Health Ministry in Gaza Strip Calls for Opening of Corridor for Urgent Medicine Supplies
https://sputnikglobe.com/20231010/health-ministry-in-gaza-strip-calls-for-opening-of-corridor-for-urgent-medicine-supplies-1114056475.html Phosphorus vapor enters the nose, mouth, eyes and lungs, reacting with moisture and burning these tissues out from the inside. This is technically a war crime.
The Israeli artillery has opened heavy fire on Lebanon, using phosphorus munitions, after militants attacked Israeli positions in the occupied district of Kfarchouba, Al Jadeed television reported.
The shelling caused the gardens of local residents and pine groves in the area to catch fire, the report said.
Heavy smoke forced [surviving] people in Lebanese villages to leave their homes and descend into the valley.
https://tass.com/world/1687955Russian forces are clearly on the offensive. Adviivka is perhaps the most heavily-fortified Ukrainian stronghold the Russians have yet approached, including Bakhmut.
The Russians Burst Into Avdiivka – Fighting Is Going On Inside. Military Summary For 2023.10.12
Post COVID-vaccine turbo-cancers break known medical patterns. Don’t look at the young faces. Thanks Red.
Breast Cancer Stage 4: Very Young Age, Triple Negative, New Mothers: Features of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Turbo Cancer; 30 Cases
Resistant to Chemo, Recurrent Tumors More AggressiveOctober 12, 2023 at 7:45 pm #144647GermParticipant@ Red – “What can I say”
Simple, really …
TVASSF
October 12, 2023 at 9:07 pm #144648citizenxParticipantThe Empty pants, ‘sniffer in chief’ Joe Biden went off last night about watching babies heads being lopped off-
Why, how, is this allowed ?
Empty suit of a dementai laden criminal running the Country into the ground? Has all of America lost its mind?…
Ok this is epic-
On Sky news ex Israeli PM Naftali Bennett was asked-
“What about the babies in incubators in Gaza who’s life support has been turned off because the Israelis have cut off the power”
His answer – Are you serious asking about Palestinian civilians? What’s wrong with you?
…. Babies…incubators, sniffed, heads lopped off- America is officially insane. Dangerously insane.
….
Pompeo-
Another call to bomb Iran
Mike Pompeo @mikepompeo
At least 25 Americans were murdered by Iran’s proxies.
This requires a response.
Letting Iran get away with this will only invite more attacks.
Ok Pompeo, you fat fucking retarded Goering wannabee- GO AHEAD !
Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran-Pompeo- delusional pos who actually ‘believes’ in Americas military might- A nation who funds, and loses endless wars. Wants more. It’s like watching the film “Downfall’ with Adolf surrounded in the bunker, days away from blowing his brains out- still thinking he can control the world and win wars everywhere.
It is increasing looking like someone, if not the citizens, needs to put an end to the insanity that the US Govt has become. Honestly, most of America seems to be sick with apathy- stuck in the political insanity of – deny, acuse, destroy loophole.
These fuckers are going to kill us all, and much of the world if they are not stopped. How do Americans NOT see this? What will it take? Anyone have anything constructive to offer as how this madness is stopped by our own Govt? Anyone?
The govy is too broken for any election to save the day, the citizenry are empty headed brainwashed addicts. Who will step in ?
Seems the only way out will be a group of Nations aligning to stop this.
October 12, 2023 at 9:35 pm #144649aspnazParticipantIndeed the USA has gone rogue and the people are doing nothing. Consider the Norway gas pipeline, which was bombed by the USA, my opinion as the USA are the only people to benefit and have a track record. So who wants allies who bomb their friends’ energy sources? Yes, the Germans are too weak to do anything, they still have half the US army sitting in their country, they still don’t control their own land. The docile German behaviour is what results in your country being run by outside forces. The whole of the EU is in this mental state, just waiting for instructions from their owners rather than leading their own people and putting their own countries first.
October 12, 2023 at 9:59 pm #144650CelticbikerParticipantZOG, its real.
October 12, 2023 at 10:00 pm #144651zerosumParticipantWill Iran be attacked?
Hummm
All of those tanks around Gaza came out from protected storage.
Hummm
All of those USA ships are now within target range.
Hummm
Iran has many kinds of drone that could deliver explosives that could give a concussion.
hummmm
Will Iran share their drones?October 12, 2023 at 10:20 pm #144652Veracious PoetParticipantWhere are the ballsy anglo saxons, the people who fought for US independence?
Western Civilization RIP, we hardly knew thee.
October 12, 2023 at 10:55 pm #144653Veracious PoetParticipantThe Coup De Grâce.
Resultant?
From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs.
October 13, 2023 at 12:35 am #144654John DayParticipantSomeone Is Inscribing All Of WikiLeaks’ Infamous Afghan War Logs On Bitcoin
https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/someone-inscribing-all-wikileaks-infamous-afghan-war-logs-bitcoinOctober 13, 2023 at 1:20 am #144655WESParticipantHow do you stop the crazy people running things?
You can’t.
These crazy people will continue until they sow the seeds of their own destruction.
All you can do is try to be aware of what these crazy people are doing and try to avoid being one of their victims.
The covid vaccine is a recent example.
This happened to Rome too.
The aware Romans fled east to Constantinople.
Rome is no more.
The Empire of Lies is on the same path as Rome.
It will just get there much quicker.
Because it’s wealth is built on paper money. not real money.October 13, 2023 at 2:19 am #144656V. ArnoldParticipantThe Israelis treat the Palestinians the way the Germans treated the Jews in WWII; they have become the enemy they were fighting……karma’s a bitch…
October 13, 2023 at 2:20 am #144657aspnazParticipantSources said Air Canada received complaints from passengers of Jewish faith, who indicated they would not feel comfortable boarding a jet with someone who may hold extreme and hateful views at the helm.
Quoted from https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-air-canada-grounds-pilot-who-allegedly-wore-pro-palestinian-colours.
The people of Jewish faith don’t mind Trudeau and his Nazis at the helm, but complain about this guy who is supporting the Palestinians in their fight for rights. The Nazis were anti Jewish and this guy is anti Jewish, but the Jews like the Nazis but not this guy. AirCanada has sided with the Jews against human rights, I wonder whether their passengers will even notice. Canada is in the toilet and disappearing quickly, it is becoming a caricature of a nation state.
October 13, 2023 at 2:23 am #144658aspnazParticipantBritish society has to suffer another crack down to appease the Jews …. https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2023/10/uk-palestine-groups-to-defy-suella-bravermans-crackdown.html. If we got rid of the Jews from the UK, would we get our free speech back?
October 13, 2023 at 2:41 am #144659aspnazParticipantTaken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Voice_for_Peace …
JVP has come under criticism from other Jewish groups that have branded the movement not only as anti-Semitic but also traitorous.
The Jewish Bulletin of Northern California wrote in 2003 that “the mainstream Jewish community” viewed “Jewish Voice for Peace as a group of radical Jews who air dirty laundry by criticizing Israel when the Jewish state is under attack. Some go as far as to label the members self-hating Jews.”
Umm, American Jews who do not support Israel are traitors. I think that says it all. Looks like the vast majority of Jewish groups support Israel and the few far left groups are demonised for thinking otherwise.
American Jews, as a community, support Israel.
October 13, 2023 at 4:28 am #144660Veracious PoetParticipant -
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