Debt Rattle October 8 2017

 

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    #36362
    V. Arnold
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    As a young lad (high school) in the U.S., in the early 60’s; my father, a long time employed, by various well known pharmaceutical companies, told me of the coming anti-biotic apocalypse. He spoke of it as worse than the threat of nuclear war. He was on the front lines of that evolving reality.
    That was 55 years ago; it is not, nor has it been, a secret for any informed human.
    Frankly, climate change is a looming threat; but the anti-biotic apocalypse is here now.

    #36369
    Nassim
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    55 years suggests that the fears of your father were somewhat premature IMHO. How are we sure that we don’t have another 55 years and so on? It seems to me that the people who are dying from incurable microbial infections were mostly doomed anyway.

    Bringing “warming” into the argument merely shows that the MSM has been successful at influencing you. FYI, if the temperature were 2C (4F) cooler and the air contained the CO2 it had a century ago, we would have widespread famine.

    This is from NASA – who have forgotten how to launch large rockets and have gone into the climate business instead:

    A quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.

    An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.

    CO2 is making Earth greener — for now

    The “for now” is to remind you that they prefer the apocalypse scenario and that you must not enjoy the good news too much. 🙂

    #36371
    V. Arnold
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    Then you haven’t been paying attention; some of the first cases of antibiotics not working appeared in the mid to late 60’s in the U.S..
    It’s been evolving ever since and is now world wide. It’s complicated, but never the less, critically serious.
    Staph infections are becoming impossible to treat; most of today’s antibiotics were discovered decades ago and are becoming useless…

    #36377
    Turfkiller
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    The old CO2 is plant food argument equals “I haven’t thought this through” argument.

    Based on simple and appealing logic: if plants need CO2 for their growth, then more of it should be better. We should expect our crops to become more abundant and our flowers to grow taller and bloom brighter.

    Old saying, “Too much of a good thing can be a bad thing.” For example, if a doctor tells you to take one pill of a certain medicine, it does not follow that taking four is likely to heal you four times faster or make you four times better. It’s more likely to make you sick.

    These conjectures fail to consider that increasing the availability of one substance that plants need also requires availability of others to accrue benefits.

    It also fails to take into account an increase in deserts and other arid lands, reducing the area available for crops and population.

    Economies do not live on debt alone nor do plants live on CO2 alone. It is not a simple task to increase water and fertilizer across the globe.

    Presuming that more green leaf area is a good phenomena doesn’t account for the depletion and subsequent deficiencies of the other necessary compounds and elements and can be indicative of an actual adverse response.

    As we require food, not just green leaves the impact of CO2 will have some necessarily negative impacts on agriculture and plant growth in general.

    “1. CO2 enhanced plants will need extra water both to maintain their larger growth as well as to compensate for greater moisture evaporation as the heat increases. Where will it come from? In many places rainwater is not sufficient for current agriculture and the aquifers they rely on are running dry throughout the Earth.

    We are experiencing more intense storms with increased rainfall rates. Such intense bursts do not have time to soak into the ground, quickly flooding into creeks, then rivers, storage reservoirs eroding top soil and leaching nutrients.
    2. Increased leaf surface means more fertilization to keep plants healthy. Fertilizers are made mostly from natural gas which will become increasingly more expensive over time, driving up the price of food.
    3. Too high a concentration of CO2 causes a reduction of photosynthesis in some important food crops. Higher CO2 reduces the nutritional quality of food staples, such as wheat. Less photosynthesis and low quality do not make a progressing civilization.

    4. Presuming that initial bust of green leafing is like endless cheap oil, will continue defies real experience and actual history. As always, that promising burst of growth upon initial exposure to C02, is no different than the “nitrogen plateau”. Debt, nitrogen and CO2 benefits soon truncate.
    5. Increased green leafing while decreasing quantities and quality of our food increases that of insects and herbivores. For example, injecting sewage sludge into the soil increased the growth of soybeans, it also greatly increased the population of rabbits which ate more and lowered the crop harvest.

    Thus the “more CO2 there is, is better” argument doesn’t hold up.

    #36388
    V. Arnold
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    Turfkiller
    Excellent; thanks for posting that important information.
    Our resident pedant doesn’t buy into climate change as human caused.
    The most I would offer, reluctantly, is human enhanced; and that’s understated, IMO.

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