Debt Rattle September 24 2022
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Joan Miro Montroig, la iglesia y el pueblo 1918 • 4 Ukrainian Regions Vote In Referendums On Joining Russia (ZH) • Historic Context Of The Refe
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle September 24 2022]How this made it onto a NIH.GOV web site I’ll never know:
“Millions have been deliberately killed and crippled, not only by this engineered virus, but by the vaccine itself and by the draconian measures used by these governments to “control the pandemic spread”. ”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/
Worth a slow read
. Incredible!I suspect the African children in the swampy mines are actually looking for cobalt ore, rather than lithium carbonate, which is found extensively in Chile.
Can’t improve on Kunstler’s description of the criminal gang known as the Biden family. Knew Joe Biden was a criminal psychopath when I read about his involvement in the Wako massacre.
The contempt displayed for Faucci in the video matches my contempt for the psychotic sociopaths that constitute the NZ government, along with the governments of UK, Oz, Canada and the US.
Putin and his allies have a plan to sort it all for us and bring these maniacs to their knees. The question is, how much more damage can they orchestrate before they fall? Rather a lot, I suspect.
Can’t wait for the treason trials to commence, along with the genocide trials and child abuse trials.
Macron is a major reason for Russia’s incursion into Ukraine by not pushing the Minsk Agreement to establish autonomous regions in the Donbas.
He and Merkel are the key architects of the current conflict, along with the Ukraine government.
NO ONE ELSE.
Markets: 10 year breaks out solidly over 3%. USDX breaks upward as the Pound goes 1:1 with the dollar, an all-time low since 1980. …Which was not a great time. It was gruesome.
“I have no rational explanation.” – Macron
Breathtaking. And breathtaking hubris. If I were Russia I would refuse to turn them on for two additional years just for saying such things. But I’m not Russia, and we’ll all have a lot of problems shortly.
“when Putin “decided to launch his war on 21 February, I think he made the first mistake, a huge one.”
Would you like to explain this? Seems very do-able to me. Russia hasn’t a scratch, the losses are about the level of one town in 12 time zones.
I don’t understand the popularity of Peterson, who is as dreadful a thinker as other Professors. Maybe as an anomaly as the only person in all Canadian education willing to stand up for his personal truth? Go Canada! Freedom of thought, open discussion and debate! Let the best man win. He opines as an outsider, and draws pretty obvious opinions. That’s not a bad thing. It’s what we all do, yet he’s the only one with balls enough to do it. I’m happy he’s out there, but I don’t feel more informed listening to him.
“It never was a secret that Benito Mussolini started his political career as a shill for the British secret services.”
Remember my theory WWII was all staged, Hitler promoted, armed, all to attack Russia and support MacKinder? Here you go.
“Any new condition of employment would have to be included in a collective bargaining agreement”
So you only have rights if you’re in a Union? That’s the rule of men, of power, not of human rights granted by your creator. And how about that “Speedy Trial”. Amirite? Just go unemployed for two years, pay a couple million in legal fees, and you too, can have human rights! Which they’ll change the minute you win and make you do it again.
I forget which civil rights violation – there are so many you could fill an encyclopedia with the last 5 years – but I was like great, you won! Yeah, and now I need a $5M civil rights lawsuit for each and every person involved. If the punishment does not overwhelmingly cost more than the crime, you get more crime.
I should have added, yes, I’m sure some people leave Russia for the war. Question is, how many? 2,000? 250,000? Since everything said by the West for the last 22 years has been a lie, I don’t think to make too much of it unless we can measure.
“Say the entire planet Earth were hollow and full of oil.”
This is a truly excellent thought experiment. Remember the idea of “A stadium has one drop of water doubling per minute, when do the people drown?” Well, at a doubling, ONE minute before the end. It looks like nothing even three seconds before the end. Same with an oily earth exponentially, or a lot longer if it’s linearly. So yes, that’s a bad idea. Asimov had a story where humanity very efficiently transformed the entire materium of earth into writhing humanity, spinning in space. Even “Foundation” had a hollowed out planet with thousands of levels filled with life. I would avoid this, and it will be avoided.
However, the volume of planet earth cannot be consumed in 330 years. Because we just DID do that experiment since 1880, and we haven’t scratched the surface yet. Not only do we have a generation of oil*, but there are no nation-sized craters or land sublimation in the slightest. In fact, none of the earth is missing. Up on the Space Station, I still see the whole thing. I guess I could redo the math, but doesn’t seem worth the effort. The principle is still sound, even if it took 2,000 years. Seventh generation decisions and all that.
*Despite two wars and unprecedented waste.
But we should probably do something about that, while we still have some hundred-odd years and a lot of options. We won’t. It will just unfold on its own the way it always does.
AFKTT Denies and ignores everything I and other posters say. Then goes on like nothing was said. We ask direct, specific questions. No engagement, no reply. Then goes on to straw man how nobody’s listening. Why? Then straw mans arguments not only what no CO2 deniers say – suggesting he’s never read them — but makes up arguments that posters right on this board, that he’s talking to every day, have said. And Why?
Okay, until we all go mad from repetition: 100% CO2 absorbs heat. 0% does not. What is the relevant threshold level? When does it matter? The past was astonishingly cold while CO2 was high. Why? Commentor describes the entire greenhouse principle as being discredited, as with glass. Is it? The past has been both wildly hotter and wildly colder with similar CO2 levels. Why? High CO2 levels were concurrent with excellent flora and fauna, and a boom in biodiversity. Is this bad? Models put in 300 active variables. Why is CO2 the only relevant one? If it is, why do they bother with the other 299? It makes computering expensive.
“we know exactly why they do it. Because to accept the facts would require them to accept responsibility” and re-think what experts – who are wrong in every field, almost every time – once told them way back when. And therefore to respond to curious people who have legitimate questions.
I can’t say either argument is definitively falsified because that wouldn’t be science. But without discussion of common, obvious questions you most definitely have no converts. And no discussion makes people doubt science in general and good faith in particular. Science claims there can be no discussion: ergo, it is not Science. It’s “Do what I say, I’m the Mommy.” A two year old knows that. Feynman and Sagan are happy to answer all questions and respond to all theories. That’s what made them scientists.
I just like discussing and ideas so when people present them, but assiduously refuse to discuss them, it stands out like a burning sun. Questions and ideas enliven me I can bring up the same thing every day and never get tired. Clearly. I rather fear I will have to ask again, so I’ll paste the question list on speed dial.
What does it do to bring it up and respond again? It sets ground rules that have science and courtesy in them. It means that writing is communicating, as we are not calling out like crows but listening and exchanging back and forth. Even if no personal action comes from it, both the process and the odds of being useful are improved. Am I supposed to let science be insulted every day until popular faith in it collapses? It’s like letting an identity thief move in next door, pretend to be the neighbor, and saying nothing. It appears on this subject, in this space, Science was kidnapped and held for ransom and nobody’s looking. The kidnapper’s representative shows up saying “I am the Science.” Should we let them?
That’s not a rhetorical question as “Science” is just and abstraction I can’t actually find and rescue. So maybe? So for me, no listening, no discussion = no Science. That’s what I see, so I give a hard time about it.
“How this made it onto a NIH.GOV web site I’ll never know:”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/
Thanks for the reference – the best summary of the vaccine I have read. I have copied and saved the text because you never know how long it will be online!
Bread (some and vanishing) & circuses (aplenty): one has to keep the populace distracted while the real difficulties discreetly settle in.
The main difficulty we face (innate, thus hard to notice, and when noticed, close to impossible to implement): to take one good look at oneself; to look inward and clean one’s own mess before trying to clean up the world.
Who Controls Those Who Control Us?
Easy-peasy: The Everlasting Dissatisfaction (for the believers in the Sacred) or utter randomness (for everyone else.)
None of these answers is reassuring; regardless,the first one is more aesthetically appealing, IMHO.
Thanks to Germ for the excellent article link. Will definitely be using that one in the “rep” letter on tap for this afternoon.
Afewknowthetruth: I could not agree more, great comment.
I pray every day these psychos don’t get us all killed before thermodynamics, financial chaos and/or Ma’am Gaia get a chance to shut down the US war machine.Peace! Love!
Anticlimactic … Macron and Merkel … NO ONE ELSE ?
You’re not serious right? Remember the cookie ( F the EU ! ) monster Nuland and her US neocon cabal?
That whole coup was orchestrated by the sycophant vassals then ?
Hmmmm, count me dubious.
Regarding Dr D’s thoughts on idea presentation minus discussion etc.. I believe some of us identify with our ideas more tightly than others – they clothe us, seperate us off and define us – even though we may change them (ideas) – WE own them. Reluctance to have ideas changed or challenged externally (if there really IS such a thing – found no evidence yet) is in essence an authority issue. I, do not want YOU, authoring ME.
It is a kind of fear or arrested development which I at times find myself suffering from.But I will say with the climate issue – I seem to remember some years ago challenging Dr D on his firmish stance of carbons’ small relevance in the affairs of men. I would not say he convinced me but he did introduce doubt – a great gift and I thank him. I have always considered carbon to be a possible modern Christian guilt. The fallen Son of God now back turned on religion and nowhere to put his sense of wrongness over a feeling of floating aloneness tied as he is to his perception of the body as the self – cut off and seemingly isolated.
Then along comes a doomed earth, reflecting our certain demise and Carbon the black sin.
I think the carbon craze has HEAPS of legs in it.
HEAPS and HEAPS. people just gotta put that redemptive feeling somewhere now we have lost our religious rituals.
Driving too far – told a lie at work. Fucking another dude’s husband – plane trip return to Majorca. Red meat twice this week – ooohhh naughty, but it’s okay my confession was paid for with social debit carbon credits so I’m all good.Time to close the eyes and grow quiet while I have the urge.
Peace out my homies
Executive Summary
Everyone knows/are aware of the facts.
Who Controls Those Who Control Us?
———Referendums on joining the Russian Federation
• 4 Ukrainian Regions Vote In Referendums On Joining Russia (ZH)
• Historic Context Of The Referenda In Ukraine (MoA)LIES
Sham, Fake, “the farce”, not democratic, not free, not ‘popular referendums’, separatist leaders, Russian military control, 20% of Ukraine’s territory, whole swathes of Ukraine into Russia, illegal, a “propaganda show”, occupied territories, not a free vote, grotesque theater,
Facts
According to international figures, some 14,000 people had died in total among both sides of fighting in what was essentially a localized civil war since even before the current conflict, since 2014. The Ukrainian government has all along initiated polices in attempts to stamp out Russian language and culture.
But officials from the two breakaway republics in the Donbas in particular have pointed to years of shelling and atrocities conducted by Ukraine’s military and nationalist militias such as Azov battalion.The Ukrainian regime has resorted to pure terrorism to prevent the votes from happening: “Ukrainian partisans, sometimes working with special operations forces, have blown up warehouses holding ballots and buildings where Russian proxy officials preparing for the vote held meetings. Ukrainian officials have acknowledged that they are engaged in a campaign to assassinate key Russian administration officials; more than a dozen have been blown up, shot and poisoned, according to Ukrainian and Russian officials.” Such behavior by the Zelenski regime against its still Ukrainian compatriots will only encourage the people in the four oblast to vote for an alignment with Russia. The propaganda in the ‘west’ will declare that the vote is irregular and that the results, likely to be pro-Russian, will be fake.
The southeastern parts of today’s Ukraine have for centuries been part of the central Russian empire. They were only attached to the Soviet Republic of Ukraine under Lenin’s rule in 1922 and, in the case of Crimea, in 1954 under Nikita Khrushchev who himself had grown up in the Donbas region. A likely high turnout and majority vote for membership in the Russian Federation will only correct the historic misalignment created by those illogical transfers.
Moscow will support the referendums
The hostilities followed decades of Russian complaints over NATO expansion in Europe, which the US and its allies pushed forward with in spite of their promises to not do so, made to the last leader of the Soviet Union, Mikhail Gorbachev.Intervention in domestic politics by EU, NATO, UN, and the US
• Reaping the Whirlwind (Scott Ritter)All Ukrainian forces that are on the territory of the regions to be incorporated into Russia will be viewed as occupiers; and Ukrainian shelling of this territory will be treated as an attack on Russia, triggering a Russian response.
Respects the reality, and the legitimacy, of the Russian incorporation of the Donbass and southern Ukrainian territories.“Wouldn’t consent to anything that is contrary to our national interests.”
“They engineered the 2014 coup in Kiev that ousted the elected president, Mr. Yanyukovich, to set up a giant grifting parlor and international money-laundromat.”
• “Joe Biden’s” Last Stand (Kunstler)
Let us agree that the place called Ukraine was never any of America’s business.———-
We are being led by the 3 monkeys
• I Know What I’d Do In Putin’s Shoes – Jordan Peterson (RT)Ukraine and its Western backers could “win” against Russia as “naïve.” “I just don’t understand that. What do you mean we are going to win? What are we going to win exactly?” Jordan Peterson demanded.
The unintended consequences of the West’s conflict with Russia are a far more imminent and real threat to humans, he pointed out, as “the World Bank already estimated that we’ve put 350 million people into what they call ‘food insecurity’.” “But the planet has too many people on it anyway, so, you know… It’s just poor people,” he added.
Peterson is a Canadian psychology professor who rose to international prominence over his commentaries on various contemporary issues. His YouTube channel has over 5.5 million subscribers
———-Covid – Executive Summary
In a further nod to anti-scientific groupthink conformism, critical and contrarian voices within the health and political establishments were silenced and exorcised. Outside government, they were vilified and expelled from the public square in active collusion with the social media tech giants and main stream media.@ArmenioPereira Opined that, “None of these answers is reassuring; regardless, the first one is more aesthetically appealing, IMHO.”
And trends less painful in the long run.
Thanks to Germ
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/
COVID UPDATE: What is the truth?
Russell L. BlaylockThe COVID-19 pandemic is one of the most manipulated infectious disease events in history, characterized by official lies in an unending stream lead by government bureaucracies, medical associations, medical boards, the media, and international agencies.[3,6,57] We have witnessed a long list of unprecedented intrusions into medical practice, including attacks on medical experts, destruction of medical careers among doctors refusing to participate in killing their patients and a massive regimentation of health care, led by non-qualified individuals with enormous wealth, power and influence.
Go read the rest of the article ….All the land currently controlled by Russian ally troops (and a good deal more real soon now) are de facto Russia now. The vote, the Western wailing in the press, world opinion, my opinion, your opinion . . . . . none of those things makes one scintilla of difference because the fact is that they are Russia now, and that’s that.
In a year or two no one outside of the region will care enough about what existed before that fact became a fact to even bother thinking about it, because it’s just another fact and they will have newer, bigger ad more important fish to fry.
It’s Russia now. Just like it has been for a thousand years or so. Time to move on to today and tomorrow’s business.
When your premises are wrong, you will ask the wrong questions, get the wrong answers, reach the wrong conclusions, and believe in them (especially if your premises are belief-based), driving just about every cognitive bias there is. Belief is the sanity-killer.
“It is useless to reason a man out of something he has not been reasoned into.”
Jonathan SwiftHere’s another little tidbit for your delectation (and projections):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gzvqplscd3b9857/Hard-Won%20Wisdoms.docx?dl=0
EU Prez Ursula von der Leyen’s unveiled threat against Italy’s election of self-determined nationalist government is actually quite a bit bigger deal than is being acknowledged.
It’s pretty much a stake the heart for the vampiric New World Order. Italy is a big country and a big economy (with a warmer winter climate !!) and it just told it’s unelected “Prussian Imperial Junker Gang Boss” von der Leyen to either piss up a rope or go fuck herself, her choice.
And it’s playing out across the headlines of mainstream media, right out in full public view. Oh, my!
In other words, just as much of the illusory “Ukraine” is now Russia, Europe is now just the gaggle of poor little nations once again, and is simply NOT a powerful European “union” in any way but lip service.
V
As an exercise in pattern-recognition, note the consistent stylistic differences between the standard narrative (SN) propaganda spiel and the more truth-seeking commentators, regardless of actual content. Here’s a (bakers) dozen (originally) right off the top of my head:
SN: Abruptly and simultaneously uses the identical phrases and syntax uniformly across all media and channels — the buzzword (or phrase) du jour, which entirely and forever disappears when some new obsessive panic-du-jour focus leaps out from behind the curtain (unless it’s part of a dunning persuasional looping, as in *).
SN: Unstated presumptions saturate and mire most potential realism in the presentation and render it essentially incoherent (if not downright stupid). Is there no cause-and-effect in the story? Are the events that are described (or judged) actually difficult-to-comprehend emergences or are they willful manipulations with no regard for some elusive “truth”? Any genuine “expert” is very cautious about what he “knows” (as opposed to intuits), while the SN is full of shallow and vapid certainty and unstated assumptions.
SN: There are also stated presumptions. “Premise-mongering” — never failing to pronounce its “official” judgement whenever it pretends to address or even mention a legitimately complex and controversial subject (that is often entirely unresolvable with any simple script) — and never presenting evidence for its judgements:
“…false claims of election-fraud…”
“…unprovoked invasion of Ukraine…”
“…fake science of climate-denial…”
“…safe and effective COVID vaccines…
“…unfounded Russian bio-warfare pandemic claims…”
“…sham referenda in the Ukraine…”SN: Tends to be very vague and non-specific, while better-informed folks tend to start with examining the credibility of known “facts,” and build outward into a matrix of causalities and feedbacks, with specific uncertainties explicitly identified. The SN starts with a fog of generalizations and stays there. Everything else is “misinformation,” “disinformation,” “violent extremism,” …, or even simply “lies.”
*SN: Usually loops through and refers to other tropes and reportings in its recent disseminations (e.g., Bucha II). Its content is inbred, and rigidly exclusive of inconvenient “facts” not consonant with its tropes, memes, and overall advocacy — to the point of outright censorship, often devious and backhanded. From being “unpersoned,” “demonetized,” fired for not getting “vaxxed” (or just talking about it),” to SADS, myocarditis, SWATing, being “disappeared,” to outright assassination.
SN: Doubt is vanishingly rare: all its pronouncements and implications are presented as inevitable truths, without equivocations and nuances (not to mention uncertainty or ambiguity).
SN: There is no past to be found in the SN; there is no history, neither recent nor long ago — and certainly no nuanced multi-level matrices of process about fundamental human nature at play.
SN: There are only good guys and bad guys. Occasionally some interviewee or guest speaker will utter some equivocation or mention an ambiguity, but the shills ignore it and revert to their leading questioning, homing back onto their agenda.
SN: Stories are simple, short, and shallow, and their threats are happening right now (more of that “no past” thing).
SN: Relies on a few “experts” and “authorities,” and seems to expect (inherently assuming) that the masses will uncritically accept as gospel all that they say, and obey all their dictates. No “second opinions,” except for pretend superficial differences between puppets and shills).
“Democrat versus Republican” within the UnipartySN: Exaggerating and emphasizing arbitrary and minor (even trivial) differences between factions (or “blocs,” or cartels,” or TBTF front-banks, or …) that are entirely aligned on major policy choices and actions behind the scenes (and never mentioned).
SN: Disclaimers distinguishing opinion from evidenced facts are vanishingly rare. Factual specificity is almost always absent.
SN: Is quick to tell us their agenda-driven inventions about what significant world figures are themselves thinking and want to accomplish, and even how they will go about manifesting it. That helps to concentrate focus on a few “bad guys” and turns responsibility into blame. Elected leaders become evil dictators compulsively exercising their neuroses or dancing on their puppet-masters’ strings — but that never happens with the “good guys.”
SN: Is very diligent at charging its designated demons with its own personnel’s malign (but secretive) motivations and behaviors. By their projections you will know who they really are. They diligently obfuscate who they actually represent behind their slick facade.
SN: Blind to the offenses of its “good guys” while persecuting its “bad guys” for the identical (but with other names) practices and behaviors.
In other words, this is not an adult conversation. It is indoctrination full of abstractions and absolutes. It is belief-and-narrative-entrainment into a fortress/prison of identity-myth. It is “cognitive warfare.” It is social engineering. It functions to emotionally and cognitively exhaust its audience, and inculcate disempowered fecklessness, and passive despair. The result is malignant insouciance in the masses, who are “led” by sociopaths working for the engineers.
Completely ignoring the substance and evidence of other narratives, the SN is, in effect, “gaslighting” us all (including themselves, so there’s positive feedback for individual and collective insanity). And their ad hominem “conspiracy theorist” rhetoric has become an ironic joke as so many such theories are confirmed through sanity and by evidence. So have the “wokish” manipulations (ESG, identity-politics, gender posturings, …).
If you can question it, it’s science; if you can’t question it, it’s propaganda.
“The Big Guy” among Hunter’s business coterie (though listed as “Pedo Peter” on Hunter’s speed-dial”
No, you’re wrong:
Hunter Biden’s ‘Pedo Peter’ Contact Alias Is Natalie Biden’s, Daughter of Late Brother Beau
@boscohorowitz: Yesterday you wrote: “A crisis is a relative thing. Weather that 600 years ago would impact a global population of “only 500-600 million, maybe a few hundred at most, like the infamous Little Ice Age, would now impact a global pop of 8 billion, 16 times as many people.It only takes a decade of really wicked weather to crumble a global food/essentials economy like ours…”
I think part (most?) of the disruption from such stuff is not that we have 16 times as many people. It is the fragility of our current “finely tuned” production and distribution systems. In general, the more a system is tuned to be efficient, the less robust it is.
THe existence of the anti-vaks article on a gubmint site tells me that the rank and file members of the NIH/CDC are beginning to do their job, something they’re legally protected.required to do. We may see a whole bunch more of such revelations from unimpeachable sources. ONce a few heads turn, most heads turn.
Political Science in a nutshell, repeated from today’s main queue:
@AlexanderCarpenter
That’s an impressive and useful bullet list. Thank you for doing all that direct observational research and taking the time & effort to write it all down. You’re obviously not scared of a little hard work. I will be investing quite a bit of time now, studyin’ on it.
“I think part (most?) of the disruption from such stuff is not that we have 16 times as many people. It is the fragility of our current “finely tuned” production and distribution systems. In general, the more a system is tuned to be efficient, the less robust it is.”
No, you’re not wrong, but only half-right.
A population bloom of 1.5 billion to 8 billion in 100 years inevitably of itself creates structures too fragile to withstand things like bad weather streaks. Post-modern civilization is (metaphorically speaking) 10% solid ground and structures, and 90% pontoon bridges connecting jerry-rigged inflated floating islands in a global polder dependent on a vast array of financial levees and consumer-driven pumps ultimately dependent on fossil fuels of which we no longer have sufficient supply to meet demand.
It’s an axiomatic tautology: the means to balloon homo sap population so much so fast is itself the reason for so much systemic fragility, both fundamentally (fossil fuel dependence) and circumstantially (a decade or three of chronically bad weather can compound devastational energy until you have more people starving than fed.
Some wise guy wrote this a fewnmonths ago:
“The fascist’s socialist economy is slowing because an increasing amount of people no longer have the will to live a natural life. Insulin bloated blobs of entertainment seeking sugar for brains. If the cure doesn’t kill them all off, a virus certainly will. Not sure what will happen to the economy if the sugar blobs aren’t around to circulate entertainment money. But when the sugar blob’s resource draw disappears, for people who make it through the coming bottleneck there will be a lot of resources made available, at least for those of us with something to defend.”
Our social/economic systems
New work ethics.
No need to work hard. Assign the work to others. Work smart
Avoid being liable, only do what is your described responsibility, quiet quitting
https://theautomaticearth.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/NotMyJob.jpgMichael Reid- I recognize you posted Blaylock’s paper yesterday, but it was germ who posted it may 30th this year. (post #108736)
https://www.rt.com/russia/563462-foreign-fighters-ukraine-killed/
24 Sep, 2022 14:20Strike kills hundreds of foreign fighters in Ukraine – Russian Defense Ministry
“Up to 300 militants were eliminated by a missile attack on the point of temporary deployment of foreign mercenaries in the area of the village of Kalinovka, Nikolayev Region,” the ministry’s spokesman, Lieutenant General Igor Konashenkov, announced during his daily briefing.This adds to a growing list of foreign combatants who have lost their lives fighting for Ukraine. Earlier this week, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu revealed that Russian forces and the militias of the Donbass republics had eliminated more than 2,000 foreign mercenaries. As of September 21, 1,000 foreigners remained in the ranks of the Ukrainian military, according to the minister, whereas in April the number was estimated at 3,000.
There is no need to search the world for wan-to-be-rulers/nazis. Ukraine is gathering them in training/elimination/death – camps.
@Dr. D: Models put in 300 active variables. Why is CO2 the only relevant one? If it is, why do they bother with the other 299? It makes computering expensive. System dynamics is intended to deal with complex systems containing multiple feedback mechanisms. The problem is that the human mind does not do well with lots of variables, and tends to focus on just a few when it starts getting overwhelmed. The CO2 variable gives the public “one evil thing” to focus on, and happens to work well with the Climate Change narrative they are trying to perpetuate. The intention is also to establish it as a convenient metric for measuring (and eventually metering) overall personal resource consumption.
@boscohorowitz: I agree with your response, which is detail I did not include in my own. We are talking about a multi-variable system that is not only growing increasingly complex, but is a system in which one of the main variables is population size.Anyone read anything about Fuellmilch? I see a Dutch entry that claims he took $700,000 (50%) from a class action fund he started, but that’s all i see.
Ask Lambert and YVES if it should be censored, because they’ve censored anyone who’s been saying that for the past two years.
I believe some of us identify with our ideas more tightly than others – they clothe us, separate us off and define us – even though we may change them (ideas) – WE own them.
Dr D
Just why is it that you persist with this kind of bullshit and blatant lying?
Juts what kind of kick do you get out of denying irrefutable evidence and pretending it has not been presented?
Just what deep psychosis are you trying to conceal, or bluster you way through, by this kind of garbage:
‘AFKTT Denies and ignores everything I and other posters say. Then goes on like nothing was said. We ask direct, specific questions. No engagement, no reply. Then goes on to straw man how nobody’s listening. Why? Then straw mans arguments not only what no CO2 deniers say – suggesting he’s never read them — but makes up arguments that posters right on this board, that he’s talking to every day, have said. And Why?
Okay, until we all go mad from repetition: 100% CO2 absorbs heat. 0% does not. The past was astonishingly cold while CO2 was high. Why? Commentor describes the entire greenhouse principle as being discredited, as with glass. Is it? The past has been both wildly hotter and wildly colder with similar CO2 levels. Why? High CO2 levels were concurrent with excellent flora and fauna, and a boom in biodiversity. Is this bad? Models put in 300 active variables. Why is CO2 the only relevant one? If it is, why do they bother with the other 299? It makes computering expensive.’
For completeness, I’ll answer your silly points, knowing that you will ignore the answers (as you have ignored the answer to previous questions)!!!!
1. You will find that the long-history graph that you posted a couple of weeks ago as ‘proof’ that high atmospheric CO2 was just fine actually demonstrated that a huge amount of sequestration of CO2 had taken place -particularly during the Carboniferous- taking the CO2 level down from low thousands and into the hundreds, and that normal conditions for life-as-we-know-it include a quite low atmospheric CO2 concentration in the range 180 ppm to 260 ppm.
There’s a simple fact you can ignore.
By the commencement of industrialism in the 1700s, humans had already caused atmospheric CO2 to commence its deadly climb through deforestation and early industrial activity -refining of ores and production of concrete. But that was only around 20 ppm over 10,000 years -as previously explained!
It was the mass-scale ‘experiment’ of seeing what would happen if we took the level from 280 ppm to 420 ppm that we are now witnessing the consequences of.
Okay, I’m being a bit tongue in cheek there because there was no intentional experiment until after the alarm was raised by people like Dr James Hansen, Head of The Goddard Institute.
From 1988 on, after Hansen’s evidence to Congress was ignored, pouring ever-greater quantities of CO2 into the atmosphere and oceans it did become a malicious attack on the future by our fake so-called leaders -who, as we all here know, are just agents of global banks and corporations.
2 . ‘100% CO2 absorbs heat. 0% does not.’
Just what is that nonsense supposed to mean?
Very recently on this forum I repeated for the umpteenth time that CO2 (because of its molecular structure) absorbs energy in the IR and releases that energy (almost instantaneously) in all directions.
So there is the mechanism for the profound overheating we are witnessing. Heat that would otherwise [in the absence of atmospheric CO2 and other greenhouse gases] leave the Earth’s surface is redirected back downwards!
I am sure I pointed out a while ago that the mathematician Fourier worked out that in the absence of some factor he had not identified at the time (around 1830) that the Earth would be substantially colder that it was observed to be, i.e. about 14oC on average instead of around minus 20oC without the atmospheric CO2.
It was the physicist Tyndall who identified the ‘mystery’ substance that was keeping the Earth warm when he carried out his famous tube experiments: carbon dioxide. And that was in 1859.
It was obvious to the Swedish chemist Arrhenius that there would be substantial overheating if society continued to burn coal. He wrote about it in 1896. And was ignored, of course.
I’m sure you assiduously ignored all the relevant and inconvenient facts at the time I previously presented them, and will ignore the facts this time. After all, that is that what you do, isn’t it? Ignore the facts, despite Aldous Huxley’s wise words. “Take note of that which cannot lie: the facts.”
And so, you keep repeating the bullshit. Not only that, you join the chorus of those who make ad hominem attacks because they have no evidence for their bizarre beliefs which run counter to well-established science. Good luck with that strategy.
3. ‘Why is CO2 the only relevant one? If it is, why do they bother with the other 299?’
I don’t know why you churn out this garbage, especially after I have already pointed out that Milankovitch Cycles and volcanic activity were prime drivers of long-term climate until excess atmospheric CO2 and excess atmospheric methane (both a consequence of human activity) began to overwhelm other contributors to climate stability.
For completeness, let me point out that there are numerous other gases that contribute to the overheating we are now experiencing, including NO, O3 in the lower atmosphere, various chloro-fluorocarbons, and water vaour.
As explained yesterday. water vapour can never be a prime driver of overheating because water changes phase in the temperature ranges experienced on Earth. But water vapour will be a devastating secondary warming agent, since CO2-induced and CH4-induced overheating raise the average temperature and cause more water vapour to be present in the atmosphere.
As explained yesterday, that is a positive feedback.
If you have any other questions relating to our collective predicament and the utterly dire predicamnet of our progeny , feel free to ask them.
I would appreciate if you ask your questions pleasant manner rather than via an ad hominem attack.
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I spent a lot of time studying the IPCC modeling.
It became abundantly clear to me about 15 years that the IPCC was a just another component of the fraud system that western governments use to ensure that none of the fundamental factors that determine the future are discussed.
The fake western governments that we endure -manipulated on a continuous basis by banksters and corporations (and a few opportunists) could in no way allow their bullshit narratives to be disturbed by actual, genuine scientific data or real scientific arguments.
I was quite hopeful when the Kyoto Protocol was announced in 1997, though even then I could see the fundamental flaw in a strategy of a slow reduction in CO2 emissions down to 1991 levels.
By 2012 the Kyoto Protocol as dead in the water and emissions had increased by around 30%
In 2007, The NZ government put in a ‘road show’ to persuade people living in NZ to go along with the fake ‘carbon trading’ system being established at the time. The fake narrative being presented was that ‘carbon trading’ would help mitigate overheating due to CO2 emissions.
I saw straight through the government lies. I asked the head of the delegation of liars what the CO2 content of the atmosphere was, and how much it was rising: being a top dog in the NZ Ministry of the Environment on a mission to discuss CO2 mitigation, he had no idea, of course.
Shortly after that, another, somewhat more junior, official blurted out an inconvenient truth: “We have already got the British investors lined up.”
The whole ‘roadshow’ was run by the Ministry of Economic Development and had nothing whatsoever to do with ‘saving the environment’ or anything else environment, and was just another [completely phony] scam to facilitate the looting and polluting of the environment.
I had extensive discussion with Paul Beckwith, climate researcher specialising in atmospheric gas chemistry at the University of Ontario. Unfortunately, he knew less than I did. But did give me a kind of answer to the crucial question of the times that I had been researching fir years: “What is the instantaneous multiplier for methane compared to carbon dioxide [global warming potential, as it was then called]. His answer was “around 250”, which matched my estimate of 300.
Why is that important? Because the effect of methane erupting from permafrost and methane clathrates on the sea floor of the Arctic region could well be devastating. Like just as devastating as ‘limited’ nuclear war.
At approximately 2 ppm atmospheric concentration, and with a 20-year multiplier of 86, the methane already in the atmosphere contributes an additional COe of 172.
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Atmospheric methane measurements in the of the order of 3,000 ppb or 3 ppm have been recorded in some regions of the Arctic. 3 times 86 = 258 if you use the 20-year multiplier. Or 3 times 300 = 900 if you use the instantaneous multiplier.
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The conversion of CH4 to CO2 is largely dependent on the presence of OH radicals in the atmosphere, which are generated by the action of high-energy UV on water molecules high in the atmosphere.
All it will take is for the OH radical mechanism to be overwhelmed by CH4 release, and then CH4 will reside in the atmosphere a lot longer than any phony IPCC delegate wants to even think about.
So, that is why it is absolutely crucial to survival of life-as-we-know-it that CO2 emissions are seriously curtailed, starting about 50 years ago.
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Susan Standfield: The Health Emergency Was Organized Large-Scale Financial Fraud
Canadian activist Susan Standfield discusses the “pandemic” racket and how the so-called health emergency was highly organized and large-scale financial fraud. The English-speaking Western countries are the hardest hit by the looming financial collapse as the new and alternative financial system is being built in the East. She discusses the cashless society and believes Brexit may have triggered the pandemic. She is trying to raise millions in capital in order to assist the freedom community. She sees a return to manufacturing, populism, farming, and people rediscovering their nationhood.
”Susan Standfield: The Health Emergency Was Organized Large-Scale Financial Fraud
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