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    LIFE How to kiss 1942 On the day after a bunch of European countries headed into yet another -emergency- meeting, and as the refugee situation in Gree
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    #24608
    Dr. Diablo
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    Interesting musings on the down-low problems of the refugee crisis but we should not lose sight of the big picture:
    A) the United States is the root cause of the disorder in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and as a large number are economic refugees from Eastern Europe, in Serbia from the war in the 90’s. So perhaps the U.S. should take them all?
    B) The refugee crisis is entirely synthesized and staged. There were no refugees for 5 years running until suddenly, one day in August, there are 4,000 a day or 2.5M annualized? Does that seem likely? Or were these bottlenecked for that time, then released by command to Turkey, where as former well-paid anti-Assad mercenaries and protesters, a well-known slice are either wealthy and staying in hotels, buying businesses in Serbia, or else as Austria officially reported were paid by the NGO’s to appear in Europe in flip-flops and a smart phone? And it’s been well-reported that they’re disproportionately young men without families? Where are their children, wives, aunts, grandparents except on the newsreels?
    C) The purpose of engineering a refugee crisis in Europe is specifically to garner support for a pan-middle-eastern war they have not been able to get off the ground otherwise. As the “Safe Zone” plan in Syria (the original need for the exodus) was shredded by Russia, they will convince the world the only way to solve the incredible problems of this exodus–that may end Europe as we know it (or at least Europe since 1945)– is to take over the whole Middle East, by bombing it—into “peace” of course–and return the refugees to their home countries.

    How convenient. So Europe can start or wildly support a war in the Middle East, or they can cease to exist. And we’re focusing on how mean Europe is not to have built cities of 250,000 per month in anticipation of guests they didn’t know were coming? Who could possibly do that? And meanwhile Turkey is kicking them out, and Saudi Arabia won’t take a single one of them, yet Europe is the big meanie here? NOT the bombers, NOT the instigators, NOT the fellow and bordering Muslim nations who recently expelled them? Is there some weird guilt here I don’t understand?

    Down on the street level, suppose there’s a fire in town and they ask you to take a homeless guy in your house. Okay, we can all only imagine the sort of disruption and hazard this might cause to have a war-beaten man, unemployed, on your couch, with your wife, meeting your kids after school while you’re at work all day. But okay, sure. Then they say you have to take his family of eight. Okay, so maybe, although that’s doubling up each household, or even outnumbering/outvoting you as we’ve seen at some border towns already. But at 2.5 Million annualized, you’re talking about Dr. Zhivago, where you come home to find 5 families living in your house, and you’ve lost the house and been relegated to an upper bedroom…if they’re feeling generous. How much can you take? But okay, go ahead and try it. Open your personal house and living room to all comers. I’ve done it. See what happens for yourself.

    Let’s not take our eye off the ball. The crisis is specifically engineered to allow the very people who openly broke international law, openly invaded a sovereign nation without even a U.N. rubber stamp, committed war crimes by bombing civilians flat, and to allow them to bomb yet more civilians in order for them to get even richer and have more of a choke hold on the world than they do now. DON’T LET THEM. Call them out and speak the whole truth, big as well as small.

    It’s not the refugee’s fault. Don’t aid their abusers.

    #24609
    Ceteris Paribus
    Participant

    I agree with Dr. Diablo. This article is wrong-headed, in my (European) eyes, since it fails to correctly address the background and motivation of the sudden “refugee” streams. This situation is obviously engineered, for the most sinister of motives, and it is unfair to assign blame to the overwhelmed and betrayed European governments alone.

    The EU in its current form is finished, I agree, but not from lack of humanity towards these misguided invaders; rather from lack of principle to stand by the rule of law, lack of will to defend their borders, lack of frankness about the situation, betrayal from within, and a total lack of backbone.

    Living in what may well become the eye of the coming storm, I am aghast at the total failure of our institutions (not just the EU) to protect us, now that a dire emergency is on our doorsteps. The mainstream media accounts are clearly orchestrated by outside forces and the people are getting more and more worried at the obvious manipulation, and angry, without outlet for their feelings. Sometimes I think this is what it must have felt before the Tutsis and Hutus clashed. “They are coming to massacre us all.” “We must defend ourselves.” “The government must be bought off/mad/blind, it is up to us.” etc. Articles like yours are not helpful in such a polarised atmosphere.

    Who has an interest to foment such conflict in our hitherto peaceful region? Turkey, obviously, but who else? It’s not hard to guess, though difficult to wrap one’s mind around such large-scale, wanton evil.

    #24610
    Dr. Diablo
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    Adding: 5 deaths per day in migrants, 75 per day in EU traffic fatalities. NYC has 152 deaths per day for 8M people, or about 5 deaths per 263,000.

    Imagine a mass-army maneuver with 2-300,000 men involved, cold weather, amphibious landings involved, etc. How many injuries even with with medics and airlifts on the spot? How many deaths are due to coyotes robbing and killing their transports? For that matter, what is the primary cause of death? In this polarized climate, are the numbers reliable?

    Remember 200,000 people walking 4 abreast would take some 55 hours — 2 days, day and night — to cross a bridge. While every unnecessary death is tragic, when you talk mass numbers, 5 may not be very high.

    #24611
    jal
    Participant

    Let’s have a bit more understanding/emphaty.
    There is no need to argue about the causes.
    You cannot build a doomstead against what is happening.
    Those refugees are not going to melt away like a snowball in hell.
    Their hell is going to impact into your life and become your hell.
    China has already built their cities to take care their refugees.

    #24614
    Supranational
    Participant

    If you think 1-2 million is problematic, it is estimated that 900 million people will be born in sub-Saharan Africa in the next twenty years. (>2 orders of magnitude). Chronically treating the crescendoing symptoms of a problem without treating the root causal factors lacks efficacy.

    Rational thought anyone? Anyone?

    The variable of Human Population is the single limiting and commensurable variable across all antagonistic factors facing humanity, at all scales of organization. The variable of population determines the magnitude, range, and intensity, of the selfish competition for limited, highly leveraged, mutually exclusive shares of biocapacity in a zero sum game. All antagonistic human phenomena and deleterious human behaviour have this game theory dynamic, biocapacity overshoot, and population longage etiology. All other variables are either not limiting, not commensurable, or both. Similarly, all other human problems are internally, subordinate to the problem of population. The variable of population has unique “Supraordinate Ontological Status.” The unique ontological status of the variable of population dominates both “Problem Spaces” and “Solution Spaces” at all scales of organization. The variable that is limiting and commensurable in problem creation is equally limiting and commensurable in problem resolution; the leverage of the variable of population goes both ways.

    Problem upscaling and “Problem Metamorphosis” have asserted overpopulation and biocapacity overshoot at the planetary scale. Overpopulation and carrying capacity overshoot are the quintessential archetypes of planetary problems. Planetary overpopulation and vast overshoot of planetary carrying capacity define the “Supraordinate Problem Space (SPS)” facing humanity; All problems are internally subordinate to the Supraordinate Problem Space. The selfish competition between sub-global actors for limited, highly leveraged, mutually exclusive shares of planetary biocapacity in a zero sum game is the principle dynamic of the SPS. The full spectrum of planetary problems facing humanity are nothing but sophisticated manifestations of the game theory dynamic of the SPS. The mathematical impossibility of large scale “Mutual coercion, mutually agreed upon,” the multi-decal failure of climate change negotiations, global militarization, nuclear posturing, warfare, and geopolitics are nothing but sophisticated manifestations of the game theory dynamic of the SPS.

    Upon encountering these sweeping antithetical propositions, many may question the role of the variable of population in the evils, selfishness, domination, violence, and warfare of the world. The game theory dynamic that defines the system is fundamentally a Mental game theory dynamic. The “evils” of the world are the direct result of a plurality of minds selfishly competing to maximize their “Will to Power.” The infinite subjective potential for maximization of Will Power, is contrasted with the finite ability to actualize it. Billions of subjective minds attempting to maximize their will power in a finite, objective, biophysical, domain, invariably leads to extreme competition, violent conflict, and hierarchical power structures of domination and submission. Collectively, we attempt to mitigate the maximization of individual wills, and optimize the will of the collective to achieve the “Greatest good for the greatest number;” We enact and enforce rights, freedoms, laws and polices to prevent the “Tyranny of the majority” from infringing on the basic rights and freedoms of individuals and to disincentivize criminality and deleterious human behaviour. “Rights and Freedoms,” are abstract (mental) constructs that only have meaning, subject to their ability to be actualized and reified in biophysical reality. If a right or freedom cannot be actualized and enforced in biophysical reality, then said right or freedom is an invalid mental fiction. Over and over, humanity strives toward the highest ideals while simultaneously destroying the foundation on which achieving those ideals can be realized. Planetary overpopulation and carrying capacity overshoot invalidate the narrative of the greatest good for the greatest number and make the actualization of rights and freedoms a biophysical impossibility; Maximizing equality under such constraints, maximizes catastrophe. Humanities “Right to Breed” has destroyed the ability for humanity to fulfill ALL other rights! The “Right to Breed” has paradoxically, invalidated the “Right to Life.” Maximization of the variable of population maximizes the magnitude, range, and intensity of selfish competition for limited, highly leveraged, mutually exclusive shares of biocapacity in a zero sum game. Maximization of this game theory dynamic, invariably maximizes all antagonistic human phenomena and deleterious human behaviour. Human selfishness and evils are as old as humans themselves and present at all scales of organization; The variable of population, however, determines our meaningful capacity to mitigate such evils and selfishness, and to reify human basic rights and freedoms in the biophysical world. The variable of population dominates both “Problem spaces” and “Solution spaces” at all scales of organization!

    The variable of human population dominates every aspect of human existence: The cannibalistic destruction of the planets’ natural capital, devastation of ecosystem services, collapse of common resource pools, compromise of life support systems, mass extinction of biodiversity, breach of planetary limits conducive to life, and perversion of global chemical cycles are human population problems. All human environmental, waste, and pollution problems are equally longages of population. Every human biocapacity, resource, energy, infrastructure, and space shortage is equally a longage of population. (GH)

    Organized religions exist by brainwashing successive generations of formative minds to grow and perpetuate their power hierarchies. Excessive breeding, patriarchal violence, subordination of the power and freedom of women, arranged marriages, honour killings, institutionalized rape, gender discrimination, caste structures, religious intolerance, rigid orthodoxy, educational retardation, militant theocracy, fundamentalism, and terrorism, exist because of breeding, and brainwashing of offspring. At its foundation, organized religion is a population issue! This fundamental conflict of interest is the principle reason that organized religion vehemently opposes population control; Population control is an existential threat to their continuity of power over impressionable minds.

    Liberating women from the bounds of patriarchal dominance is essential to tackling more that the population problem. The way Europe deals with the migrant/refugee crisis will determine much more than we anticipate.

    #24616
    sangell51
    Participant

    Rather absurd argument to suggest ” we will do what we can, first and foremost, to not allow for people to drown, or go hungry or cold, or contract diseases” when they put themselves at risk. Paying a criminal gang to smuggle you across the Mediterranean in an overloaded rubber dinghy is stupid enough but it becomes child abuse or manslaughter when you imperil or cause your own children to die. If it is the Swedes duty to ” do what they can, first and foremost, to not allow for people to drown, or go hungry or cold, or contract diseases” maybe the so called refugees have similar duty themselves and remain in Turkey, Jordan or wherever as long as they are secure and being fed.

    A terrible precedent is being set that will only result in third world people taken insane risks to reach nations that cannot provide for them.

    #24626
    Dr. Diablo
    Participant

    Your fancy rhetoric belies a variety of errors in your fundamental assumptions. I’ve laboriously covered a couple before, no need to do so again. You forget that game theory itself is simply a construct of your mind, as are most things things humans deal with and get excited about. Population is catagorically NOT the primary driver at all levels of organization: my house has a lot of room, perhaps a little too much. And arguably my town and region as well. It therefore does not apply at the family/household level for me, and perhaps a billion like me throughout the world–the household level being what humans primarily interact with, outside of their minds and theories.

    Where is the “will to power” you speak of, the competition? For 10,000 years, first nations lived throughout the planet without the overpopulation you cite as primary. Where did this overpopulation and will to breed suddenly come from? Where did this “will to power”, to dominate whole other nations, continents, planets, suddenly arise? So is this a primary function, a wholly human function and fault, or is it something about the specific paradigm and culture we have had for the last 500 years? A small, almost meaningless anomoly in geologic time?

    The population causes violent competition for resources you say, driving wars, deaths, cultures like leaves on the wind. Yet 5% of the world’s population uses 25% of its resources, probably the other 5% (europe) uses most of another 25%. It’s well-established that the top 1%–or rather 0.01%–controls 90% of the world’s wealth. So if those people were to be cut down to 50% of the world’s wealth, the rest distributed to re-enrich the people, wouldn’t we solve the poverty/hunger/desperation issue overnight? Or put another way, isn’t there still enough for all our need, but not all their greed?

    And would this still demand ever-increasing population? No. I’ve already cited that cultures lived 10,000 years without overpopulation, we can go there if we choose. But beyond that, we have dropping birthrates throughout much of the world already, including the enormous population of China, as well as Europe, the US minus immigration, and Africa is roughly steady, not wildly rising. The high population areas are demographically young and will statistically age and fall. Even aside from that, with $23Trillion used to bail out bankers in the U.S. alone, don’t you think we could colonize an entire planet for that? That’s one nation, one crisis.

    Yet there is nothing but population as a driver. That will be the case if you lack imagination to look at history, at resources, at science, and imagine us using a tiny fraction of the solutions at our disposal. Yes, if we do nothing, your future may come true. But only in that one condition. When have you ever seen humans try nothing at all when they are put to the test? History shows they will try a lot of things. Let’s hope, despite everyone focusing on inevitable doom rather than our potential and obligations, that they will try the right things.

    #24643
    galacticsurfer
    Participant

    USA colony BRD takes commands from headquarters to direct the results of banking crisis, sanctions against russia, now this. All the same. If there were a free press and democratically elected govt. there would be none of these problems. Your line is brainwashing of CIA propaganda. Wikileaks had the scoop. Empty syria to weaken it then weaken and confuse Europe. So intelligent when it comes to banking but to fall for the simplest tricks of the teary eyed refugees. 80% male and young not from Syria seeking work or welfare plus free housing in paradise. Thank American war machine. European press is mouthpiece of usa/nato/cia policy and govts. all parrot this policy blindly. Killing of Russians is humanitarian aid. Ukronazis are saints.Beheadings in Saudi Arabia is an internal affair as is drug smuggling, bombing of yemen and tsking in no refugees while funding a war in fellow arab countries. Instead germany supplies weapons to saudis and takes these refugees caused by taliban funded by saudis, usa. Polar bears is not GW debate, solved by electroautos. Similarly shallow is your discussion of this problem, while your technical prowess in economics is unparalelled. It shows that specialists are specialists. I read Saker or RT or local alternnative press in Europe for background. It is too easy to let superficial arguments of do gooderness without context blind you as German lapdog press has done. Why does same press lie night and day about greece, ukraine, etc.? Maybe they have an agenda?

    #24644
    GetAbike
    Participant

    Please include a discussion of consequences when suggesting an “open Europe” policy.
    I can think of one not-so-minor consequence: The furious right-wing/ nativist reaction and the short time frame required to up-end the governments who promote such policies.
    What will become of the refugees then?

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