The Vaccines Don’t Work
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August 1, 2021 at 1:48 pm #81737Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
Paul Klee Hammamet with Its Mosque 1914 On Thursday, an internal CDC slide deck was “leaked”. On Friday, an “official” document was pres
[See the full post at: The Vaccines Don’t Work]August 1, 2021 at 2:05 pm #81740deflationistaParticipantSociety can tolerate a small number of people not vaccinating their children for measles, for example, because outbreaks cannot occur so long as the vast majority are inoculated.
But without herd immunity for SARS-CoV-2, the refuseniks are on their own. They are facing an endemic disease armed with nothing but worming tablets and excessive faith in their immune system. That is their choice and whilst we should deter gullible people from being pulled into their orbit, we should not coerce them. There is no free ride this time. They alone will face the consequences of their actions.
https://quillette.com/2021/07/28/vaccines-and-the-coronavirus-crank-crisis/
August 1, 2021 at 2:22 pm #81743madamski cafoneParticipant“refuseniks ”
As in those who resist being vakzinated and masks, etc., and maybe wish they had a real vaccine worth taking? I can’t quite parse your meaning here. 🙂
August 1, 2021 at 2:25 pm #81745Polder DwellerParticipantWhy don’t you read the article and argue the points made instead of just linking some dubious article intended to bamboozle the credulous?
August 1, 2021 at 2:27 pm #81746madamski cafoneParticipantI tried to feel bamboozled but my eyes glazed over before I got past “bam-“. 😉
August 1, 2021 at 2:38 pm #81747democritusParticipantI don’t remember any claim the vaccines were supposed to prevent infections. I remember they were supposed to reduce the risk of hospitalisation and death. I think “The vaccines don’t work” is the wrong conclusion to jump to.
Infection doesn’t mean hospital and death.
August 1, 2021 at 2:42 pm #81749deflationistaParticipantSave a life — show this video to your vaccine hesitant friends who have been made hesitant by Bret Weinstein’s misinformation. I really cannot believe that this blog, which, over the last decade, has taught me to examine information from all sides, has now decided to accept the flimsiest of flimsy information emanating from Bret Weinstein or Tess Lawrie. I mean, you do know that the FLCCC and anything sourced to them is not serious, don’t you? Even just a cursory look at their data should allow you to see that. If you are offended by me saying that, ask yourself why you might be. I suggest listening to Yuri Deigin methodically deconstruct all of Weinstein’s BS in the video below. I spent months actually thinking that Weinstein and the FLCCC were onto something. And then I started seeing actual serious science picking apart their data. It ain’t pretty. Maybe Ivermectin works. I hope it does. So far, there is no real evidence of that. All that there is is hope. And a bunch of contrarian, libertarian, pseudo-science, anti-vaxxers saying it does. For actual scientists to be making these claims is astounding. It is immoral. Just as it is for the media making claims that vaccinated people are suffering at the same rate as unvaxed. The reporting goes something like this:
A village has 100 people.
99 of them vaccinated. 1 is not.
2 people become sick with Covid, 1 of whom is the unvaccinated person.Media: “50% of cases occurred in the vaccinated!!”
This is what we’re seeing, and it’s irresponsible reporting.
Watch the video. You should want to prove yourself wrong if you are indeed interested in truth. This will help you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwzfnZfo-rU&t=1s&ab_channel=RebelWisdom
August 1, 2021 at 2:46 pm #81750Polder DwellerParticipantYou know that’s not true.
Pfizer was said to be 95% effective, that number was touted everywhere. Moderna was something like 92% and J&J around 67%. People were led to believe that if they got the Pfizer jab their chances of catching the virus would be reduced by 95%. Also, if herd immunity means anything then it means that people either jabbed or recovered, can’t pass the virus on. If that isn’t true because the shots don’t prevent transmission then vaccinating people won’t help in achieving herd immunity.
August 1, 2021 at 2:49 pm #81751OroborosParticipantDr Bryan Ardis and Dr Reiner Fuellmich (July 30, 2021)
Reiner interviews Dr Bryan Ardis
First thing Dr Ardis covers is how Remdesivir, the worthless drug pimped by Fauci, failed trials against Ebola miserably and in a second trial produced widespread kidney failure.
Fauci knowing the significant risk of kidney failure goes ahead and issues an order to all US hospitals the Remdesivir will be the ONLY drug allowed to treat ‘Covid’ patents for the next 9 months, killing untold patients with …wait for it…..kidney failure.
Many doctors were baffled it the time because they had never seen kidney failure in pulmonary cases.
August 1, 2021 at 2:52 pm #81752madamski cafoneParticipantWES:
btw, I wonder why you think you can’t write. Other than a unique zest for exclamation points, you write just swell! Tell a good story too! I think someone put a bad message in your ear when you were young?!
August 1, 2021 at 2:56 pm #81753madamski cafoneParticipantWe await with bated breath how TAE Summary conundrumizes deflationista’s remarks. (I just sit back and burble like a peasant watching the priest turn bread and wine into imaginary Jeebus meat. How him do that?)
August 1, 2021 at 2:58 pm #81754upstateNYerParticipantUm, I’m pretty sure I remember the 2 initial claims to fame: a) reduce the ability to spread the disease to other people, and b) reduce the severity if you get a breakthrough case yourself.
Maybe I’m misremembering. But I’m pretty sure that’s why vaccinated people are allowed in stores around here without a mask while the unvaccinated still must mask-up. Ya know, cause the vaccinated don’t spread the disease, right?
I also kinda remember the “get vaccinated now! … it’s the only way to make sure you don’t infect grandma when you visit!!”
Or I have early stage dementia. It’s getting common here in the US.
August 1, 2021 at 3:03 pm #81756OroborosParticipantThe ‘toxic not-vaccines’ were meant to only produce a very very very narrow window of immunity to specifically the designer computer simulated spike protein sequence.
That’s all.
The ‘toxic not-vaccines’ did NOT produce a wide spectrum immunity like the Natural immunity that comes from naturally getting and recovering from ‘Covid-19″.
That’s the REAL gold standard in ‘immunity.
The people who did NOT get poked but had gotten and recovered from ‘Covid’ are NOT the ones currently getting infected in record numbers from the ‘Delta’ construct.
Only brainwashing or brain damage explains the wide spread ability of the public to not understand that the current ‘toxic not-vaccines’ don’t give ANY immunity to speak of and hence masks and lockdowns were a total failure to control the ‘virus’.
More masks and lockdowns no NOTHING to help the situation except destroy what’s left of the Main St economy so that Wall St and Hedge Funds and psychopathic oligarchic billionaires can finish completely dominating the global economic landscape.
August 1, 2021 at 3:04 pm #81757upstateNYerParticipant@WES: I second madam’s comment, above, wondering why you think you “can’t write.” I enjoy your stories and look forward to reading them when I see one of your posts.
August 1, 2021 at 3:08 pm #81758deflationistaParticipantReality:
August 1, 2021 at 3:13 pm #81759phoenixvoiceParticipant@ deflationista
Wow. You’ve really fallen for the black and white thinking of the propaganda, haven’t you?
Hate to burst your bubble, but dividing the population into the (fully) vaccinated vs. the unvaccinated (everyone else) is a really inaccurate picture from an immunity perspective.I’m unvaccinated. I had Covid – positive PCR and classic symptoms. Covid, for me, my partner, my children, my parents, and my sister’s family is like “the big bad wolf” that wasn’t. My mother has severe asthma — a few puffs on her inhaler and she was fine. My father has some minor health issues, was 71 at the time — he had NO symptoms, (totally unfair – I was in bed and feverish!) but is proud of his antibodies to Covid. (My parents happily tell people their antibody counts to anyone who will listen and joke about whose antibody count is higher.)
Not to mention, children’s innate immune systems often shut Covid down speedily. (My children were exposed multiple times, never got sick during our quarantine, never had positive PCR.). And there is indication that up to 80% of the population had pre-existing cross-immunity. (Like my father.)
I don’t need masks, I don’t need any damned vakzine. Let me be.
So, you see, the refuseniks are simply not a homogenous crowd. They are not all relying on ivermectin. Many of us are fully immune — more immune than the hyped up vaccinated folks upset because the CDC is telling them to mask again.
August 1, 2021 at 3:16 pm #81760Mr. HouseParticipantWord on the street is it will be forced testing at work, weekly, and insurance will not cover it. Maximum pain out of your own pocket, and who is to say the “testing” won’t be political? (if it already hasn’t been)
August 1, 2021 at 3:26 pm #81761Mr. HouseParticipantWe CARES ACT so much about you that we’re going to force you to test for something and not pay for it. Come on yinz guys, corporations have always done this. Its what they do to people who don’t play ball.
August 1, 2021 at 3:30 pm #81762phoenixvoiceParticipantSelf employment has its ups and downs. One fringe benefit: I have no employer who can demand that I be vaccinated or tested on my own dime.
August 1, 2021 at 3:34 pm #81763upstateNYerParticipantMaybe it would be easier to ask for input from @deflationista and @democritus about a real-world example?
Based on the following information, which was provided by the CDC and published in the MSM so it meets not disinformation criteria, please explain what the vaccine has or was intended to accomplish …
From the MA covid situation:
469 cases of Covid
74% (347) of the cases occurred in fully vaccinated people (assuming 122 were not vaccinated?)
274 (79%) of vaccinated patients with a breakthrough infection were symptomatic
Among 5 Covid patients who were hospitalized, 4 (80%) were fully vaccinatedAnd what do these stats say about the efficacy of the vaccination if only 50% of people in attendance were vaccinated?
August 1, 2021 at 3:43 pm #81764upstateNYerParticipant@Mr House: sorry to hear that. Is the testing the type that pushes a swab into your brain? I refuse to have that, hence I’m now an outcast in my own society. Maybe we should start a refugee camp for the no-vax. (That should sound funny, but it doesn’t, because it’s too close to truth.)
Seriously, did someone put something in the [global] drinking-water supply? The insanity is mind blowing at this point.
August 1, 2021 at 3:45 pm #81765Mr. HouseParticipantNo idea, but i certainly will not have something shoved up my nose. Now you aren’t even allowed to decide when you are sick, they’ll do that for you too! Thing is, deciding to have the jab or not have the jab is the closet thing we’ve had to democracy in this country in a long time. Believe in democracy 😉
August 1, 2021 at 3:50 pm #81766Mr. HouseParticipant“Infection doesn’t mean hospital and death.”
So whats the problem? Why the loyalty test to your viewpoints? Haven’t we always dealt with infection? Why the hysteria about it now? But but but the LONG COVID. Uh huh, have yet to meet a single person who suffers from that. Just like my entire exp. thru out this kabuki theater
Lies, damned lies and statistics
August 1, 2021 at 3:52 pm #81767Mr. HouseParticipantHow much do you think they’ll make the test cost? 100 bucks times 4 weeks equals 400 a month in tests. Who supports that, but cries about evictions and unemployment?
August 1, 2021 at 3:57 pm #81768NoiretteParticipantMore than 160 people have died and nearly 650 have been hospitalized in Illinois due to COVID-19 in “breakthrough” cases after they were fully vaccinated, according to state health officials.
169 Dead, 644 Hospitalized in Illinois Breakthrough COVID Cases
Covid-19 Breakthrough Infections in Vaccinated Health Care Workers
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2109072
…just two examples.
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Now, it is of course true that all these numbers, of ppl infected, in these and other studies, of hospitalisations, deaths particularly, are small, be they vaxxed or not.
The “math” (pseudo scientific rubbish / calculations that are opaque, or ‘cheats’ / not understood by the general public / any bemused reader..) are confidently put forward imho:
To allow any pov, pro/anti VAX, pro-/anti antivirals (e.g. Ivermectin), pro/anti masks, a long list, to be touted on MSM and to flourish on Social Media.
The aim here is to stir up a storm of confusion, with ppl being pushed this way and that, unsure and destabilized, plus, of course, ready and oh-so-willing to join some camp (cult..) that offers some absolutist pov, some certainty. The PTB use the old ‘divide to conquer’ strategy, to create opposing factions, which one can see up top in the comments.
Then follows feedback into the MSM with guff about social divides, insuperable differences, conspiracy theorists, etc. All this serves to justify that there are no definitive numbers, news, studies, concerning the effect of vaccines / drug therapies / any therapy / preventatives… etc. and nutty ppl can be blamed. Gvmt has no responsibility.
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Because…Several actors don’t know which way to jump, what to support or not, they can’t read the signs, they can’t predict, anticipate the ultimate outcome, they are servants, so have to pander to every faction (mostly Corporations.) This applies particularly to the MSM which regularly puts out reports that are quite contradictory, e.g. scare mongering coupled with reassurance about the efficacity of vaccines, with numbers hidden until the last paragraph, with the whole communication ending up in a crazy incoherent mess. This is done so that an excerpt can be quoted, yes WE DID, give the correct numbers – bash anti-vaxxers – criticise etc. etc.
August 1, 2021 at 4:12 pm #81773a kullervoParticipantIf you got the “jab” then worry about yourself and not about the levelheaded.
If you didn’t got it, then you are just a stooge.
Either way, you are a fool: there’s no such thing as “saving lifes”, only vain attempts at postponing death.August 1, 2021 at 4:16 pm #81774Mr. HouseParticipantHas anyone else noticed a drop off in “cyber” related news lately? Seems like a month or two ago it was something new everyday.
August 1, 2021 at 4:28 pm #81778upstateNYerParticipant@house: “Has anyone else noticed a drop off in “cyber” related news lately?”
No, I didn’t notice. There are so many things we’re supposed to be worried about at this point I tend to focus on what directly impacts me, prepare as best I can, and ignore the stuff I have no ability whatsoever to change.
August 1, 2021 at 4:43 pm #81780Dr. DParticipant“Society can tolerate a small number of people not vaccinating their children for measles, for example, because outbreaks cannot occur so long as the vast majority are inoculated.
But without herd immunity for SARS-CoV-2, the refuseniks are on their own. They are facing an endemic disease armed with nothing but worming tablets and excessive faith in their immune system. That is their choice and whilst we should deter gullible people from being pulled into their orbit, we should not coerce them. There is no free ride this time. They alone will face the consequences of their actions.”
Yessssssss! Please for the love of God let this be our choice. You’re all perfectly safe: Stop helping, and leave us alone. Isn’t that what freedom, all that is about? Or even what ‘helping’ is about?
Please leave us completely on our own, to face this endemic disease with the powers of our silly superstitions. …As opposed to applying unrelenting v i o l e n c e to everyone who’s not like yourself. Is that really too much to ask for? To let a Muslim pray to the East? To let a Rasta not have surgery? To let a Jew grow his beard? Who cares if ANYONE is inoculated or has outbreaks when you are safe? You, as the smart and winning party, will survive, and them, as the stupid, stubborn party, will all win the Darwin Award and die by thousands. You’ll even inherit their stuff!
It would take cattle-car level violence to stop them: are you planning and willing to apply it? To a nation with 400 million guns? How many are you willing to kill, to bankrupt and make homeless to save them from themselves?
Please, “Let them alone face the consequences of their actions.”
Agree wholly.
However, setting coercive rules is against U.N. human rights for forced medical experiments. Doubly so when you’re coerced paying. It’s straight-up extortion: do this or pay me money. Sweet Dreams, Buttercup! Side of the angels at last forcing profits for billionaires from the poorest weakest people wanting the least: to be left alone.
August 1, 2021 at 4:44 pm #81781Dr. DParticipantHow many of them will you kill to save them from death?
Never thought I’d have to write that sentence. Are we the Baddies yet?
August 1, 2021 at 4:52 pm #81783Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymasterI like that you mention “irresponsible reporting”, because that is how I see the 18-month one-dimensional promotion of masks, lockdowns and therapeutics.
I don’t know what to say about you claiming anything at all in this article “emanates” from two people I mentioned once or twice in that whole time frame, and certainly not in the article. That leads me to think you don’t care what I say. And that’s a dead end.
August 1, 2021 at 4:59 pm #81784Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymasterAnd I love reading that Pfizer and Moderna are raising the prices of their therapeutics in the EU, because “they work better than others”. Priceless. That takes gall.
August 1, 2021 at 5:03 pm #81786Mr. HouseParticipantAre you guys beginning to see how Woke, TDS and CDS are all the same? You are not allow to disagree with them. To find out who rules you find out who you can’t criticize. Who is pushing woke, TDS and CDS? Giant multinational corporations who’s system of rule and control is crumbling around them, so they offer you the bright future of the great reset. Where they maintain control and you’ll own nothing and like it. Very comforting.
August 1, 2021 at 5:11 pm #81787madamski cafoneParticipant“I think perhaps the biggest problem of all right now is that there is so much invested in official narratives. That is as logical as it is unfortunate. And I get it, all those politicians and experts are slowly and very reluctantly realizing that they bet on the wrong horse, and to turn a ship of state around is much harder than for me to change my life.
The alternative to admitting your failures is a very dark place, so maybe you should make sure you’re ahead of the crowd, ahead of your co-PMs and presidents and “experts”, admit your faults, profoundly apologize, and shift that steering wheel 180º if need be. You don’t want to find yourself in that dark place.”
Nifty description of what I perceive being the maoin driver behind this dangerous covid madness.
August 1, 2021 at 5:11 pm #81788Mr. HouseParticipantI mean these people are so trustworthy, but hate the person who lives down the street from you because they don’t wear a mask while walking their dog or driving their car
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August 1, 2021 at 5:16 pm #81789madamski cafoneParticipant“How many of them will you kill to save them from death? Never thought I’d have to write that sentence. Are we the Baddies yet?”
August 1, 2021 at 5:31 pm #81791userzeroidParticipantWith the CDC and Fauci’s admission of “breakthrough” infections on Friday (plus updated rules for masks for the vaxed) I am puzzled by the chutzpah of anyone who still confidently backs the vax at this stage. This article summarises the chain of events leading to – and away – from this madness.
Thank god nothing lasts. We can rely on change dead ahead. Sadly this applies to the good times as well as the bad but hey…
August 1, 2021 at 5:34 pm #81792upstateNYerParticipantPre covid vaccine:
VAERS is flawed in that it captures, at most, only 10% of adverse vaccine reactions. However, it does provide an early warning system for medical professionals to use when making decisions about vaccine risks and benefits.
Post covid vaccine:
VAERS is flawed because anyone can upload a claim of adverse vaccine reactions, and just because a reaction took place following injection doesn’t mean it was caused by the vaccine.
You seriously couldn’t make this s&%* up if you tried.
August 1, 2021 at 5:39 pm #81794upstateNYerParticipant@Mr House, re: link to NC article. Same question I’ve asked before … how does a blog post links like this one, then turn around and buy the covid vaccine narrative hook, line and sinker? (still scratching head …)
August 1, 2021 at 5:56 pm #81795Mr. HouseParticipantBecause they think like those they pretend to criticize and hold the mistaken belief that from this crisis which they aren’t letting go to waste they will get M4A. Now after i heard some talking heads (Rahm and others) justifying denying people life due to jab status, i’m really excited for those same people to control a .gov healthcare system. If anything, the past year and a half has been a stunning reason for not having that very thing. They will use it against you
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