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@sumac.carol
Re the production cost of good food. Amen, it’s very difficult to make money as a small producer..
We won’t sell any of what we grow, it takes far too much effort for the ROI.
What surplus we produce is given away…….that’s worth far more than the paltry amount of $ we might have gotten.Is Dr D a real doctor?
Well IIRC he has said on this blog that he is not a medical doctor. He may be a doctor (PHD) of another discipline, however.@ John Day
quote from you a couple of days ago “In the future, if it works out that way, they will look back and wonder what possessed us, as we wonder about the rush into WW-2, but we can’t understand, because we were not under the pervasive influence of the group mind of that time.
I see this now.
I’m probably a goner, soon…”
What did you mean there? “I’m probably a goner soon.”
My wife(as am I) is very curious to know why the “goner” reference.
Kind regards
Cloudhiddentry this:
stand about 1 foot away and face a window or mirror
inhale a few grains of pepper
sneeze
observe the glass surfacerepeat , this time with a handkerchief over your nose/mouth and direct sneeze to another area of the glass
observe the surfacetell me masks do not work
I see a lot of anti-mask sentiment in the comments here today. It is quite true, masks won’t protect you very much. The point is that they DO protect others. Same as covering you nose/mouth when you sneeze.Did you not learn that when you were a kid? My wife’s sister is a senior ministry of health official in an Eastern European country that was an early adopter of precautions. They have experienced a quite low rate of transmission and deaths because of widespread acceptance of those precautions. (death rate of 33 per million population) It has been noted there that when their precautions are relaxed, cases and deaths increase noticeably. We get the medical information from her as family without the political slant.
Also those who are nay-sayers, pointing to the high number of cases vs deaths in the world in general are incorrectly focused on a “recovery or death” situation. However, it is now becoming apparent that there are large numbers of down-the-road consequences. Here’s a link that explains some of those currently known https://elemental.medium.com/every-covid-19-symptom-we-know-about-right-now-from-head-to-toe-bd1d47584096
Personally I don’t like wearing a mask, but do so when in public in order to protect my neighbours. I wear latex gloves to protect myself. It’s no big deal. Lest you might think I am buying the political line, not so. If asked to label myself, I would gravitate towards libertarian. Taking precautions against a disease that we still know little about (maybe by design) is small cost in my way of thinking.
I don’t care what others may think (assume ) are my motives. As for avoiding groups and gatherings, again, no problem. I am happy with my own company, and run a small business that requires little in person interaction with others.
Hard to fight the system if you are dead or incapacitated.@ Dr. D……I recall that recently you wrote about two different strains of the virus.
I thought that might be a stretch. Apparently not. This would explain why some locations have more serious outbreaks and deaths.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8073543/TWO-strains-killer-coronavirus-spreading-study-claims.htmlA brave man……….Tsinghua University professor Xu Zhangrun
Dissent that will not be silenced.
This may deserve posting as an article on TAE
http://www.chinafile.com/reporting-opinion/viewpoint/viral-alarm-when-fury-overcomes-fear“And that is why people like me—feeble scholars though we are—are useless, for we can do nothing more than lament, take up our pens, avail ourselves of what we write to issue calls for decency and advance pleas on behalf of Justice. Faced with the crisis of the coronavirus, confronting this disordered world, I join my compatriots—the 1.4 billion men and women, brothers and sisters of China, the countless multitudes who have no way of fleeing this land—and I call on them: rage against this injustice; let your lives burn with a flame of decency; break through the stultifying darkness and welcome the dawn”
Restless 94111……There was no intent to turn any of this into a pissing contest. Maybe you did not read the first part of my post
I was there too. scouts, crew chief, doorgunner.
now i garden and keep bees……..helpsSitting here gut-punched. today’s TAE brought back all that buried stuff. 50 years on to the month: a year later, “gentlemen greet your replacements” the faces departing were very different from the faces arriving. arriving clean green and fearful, departing red stained dusty 1000mile stare
And restless 94111, those guys you saw at starbucks, they were there for a reason that you cannot grasp, i won’t try to describe, you cannot know.OK Raul, a pleasure.
Here were the comments as we saved them.June 6, 2018 at 1:42 pm #41017
V. Arnold
ParticipantThanks for that heroic thread Ilargi. Epic by all measure.
I’m fading as the hour grows late; I’ll be back in a few hours…
June 6, 2018 at 2:12 pm #41019zerosum
ParticipantGo browsing at
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/Serious health research at the level https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com provides is expensive. Cross cultural comparisons can be very complex and the data isn’t easily accessed via research skills alone. Much of it requires world class tech skills to find it, organize it and display it so it can be easily understood. We have those skills and are pleased to share them with you in a free and open environment so you can educate yourself and your children about health without constantly being interrupted by unsightly ads.
June 6, 2018 at 2:53 pm #41020Dr. D
Participant1,340 varieties? You have no idea how hard that is until you grow and store even 10 varieties, 5 pounds each. Seeds also don’t sit on the shelf like wing nuts, they perish rapidly and variably, and must be regrown every year or every few years. Must, or they go extinct. When grown, they will show variations from breeding, from climate or location unique to just that year, invariably changing them. So there is no “true” line, although we target the “true”. So we target the “true” and also target the breed for improvement, adding new things, different likes and dislikes and so on.
If that’s not enough, each genome has wildly different parameters. Peas are simple and easy to breed, as Mendel showed, others like corn are not only huge and wildly variable, but must include new outside genes regularly or the vitality withers away. Some are under massive attack, like potato and tomato late blight. The old varieties may virtually cease to exist because they cannot live in a blighted new world, yet we attempt to keep the old varieties and add the resistance…but then they are no longer the former variety, and never will be again.
Some seeds, like wheat, can be grown when recovered from the pyramids, others like celery might not germinate in just two years. Enough variables yet?
The Old World was different indeed, no fruit trees like apples, no honeybees, no hayfields, it was a forest of cool pines, long grasses, and extinct species like elm and chestnut. The pollenating insects in that world were wasps, flies, and others, and squash can still use them, but not corn, which is a wind pollinator. But the bugs, the grass, the forest, were all entirely different, alien different, all new, all forgotten, and the Old World too, which borrowed corn, tomatoes, and others from Asia like oranges and soy, no longer the Europe of Roman oil, garum, and German greensauce and gruit ale.
We think this is the “real world”, the world that might go extinct, but it isn’t. The world already went extinct in 1492 and many times before that when everything changed. This world is just one variation of a growth that has narrowed and may — or may not — widen again. We can, and probably will, for instance, resurrect Tasmanian and Caspian tigers, the woodland bison, the auroch, and the mammoth. At the same time, we may kill 500 new insects and never notice. We have no idea what fish existed, much less erased forever. So numerous it seemed men could walk on them, like Cod.
You can do more than complain and can — one way or another — grow these plants, or even these animals, and leave them as potential — if no more — to your descendants.
One thing from Bayer, the new worst-company-on-earth, is that owning seeds is already illegal in Europe. In Britain, so I hear, it is illegal to trade seed or give it away, as a means to own all living things as slaves. This follows on the heels of an attempt to patent all genes one by one, so that we ourselves will be patented by Bayer and ourselves become genetic property, buying permission to own even ourselves. I can only wish I were making this up. The inability to share or sow seeds without permission is quite challenging for heritage sites and museums to navigate, as they attempt to grow Shakespeare’s barley or thatching wheat. It would create a black market in seeds, in life itself, as dark as the heroin trade, something out of the darkest sci-fi movie, past Logan’s Run and THX1138.
So this is the world we want? Apparently yes. No one cares in the slightest. There are no protests, no boycotts, no rebellions of these high edicts. No one pays sixpence more for the farmer down the road vs. Bayer and ADM. So who am I to say? If you take no action, am I to care and do it all for you?
Apparently, yes, I am my brother’s keeper. Apparently I grind myself down in sun and rain and taxes to keep life going that no one will share, no one will help with, people shake their heads and fists at, and even were I to go to their houses and lift a new cornmeal or apricot to their lips, spit it out as blemished and unclean, much less drive 5 minutes and take free seeds and plant them.
THAT, my friends, is how much people care about the mountain gorilla and the black rhino. So much that they would not lift a finger even to save a species or variety that will feed them gourmet for free at their own house if it would take 5 minutes longer than microwaving a Stouffer’s in a triple-plastic tray. And we’re going to Mars? If so, it were to make a similar hell there, so it is indeed going according to plan.
Re: Yesterdays article “Everything that dies does not come back”
What happened? First the site went down, then came back without the article, then the article re-appeared without comments, especially Dr. D’s excellent response. Did feathers get ruffled? Fortunately, the whole was still open on our computer, so we were able to copy and save it in it’s entirety.
Most excellent article, and painfully true.@Supranational
Had a read of your link.
Didn’t a fellow named Adolph have similar, though more limited ideas?
No Thanks.@discover gold. ” Did you ever consider to see what they produce? Nothing that any one in the world really needs, they buy a BMW or a Benz from the Germans and in return they sell them olives, cheese, peaches…”
IMHO, the world needs olives, cheese, and peaches far more than it needs a BMW or Benz.
@ Birdshak
“Choose a south facing window, and start a tray of lettuce or spinach. Bitch about banksters every day until the baby leaves are ready to eat, then eat them.”Banksters, or spinach?
@John Day
“Here’s a pic of the summer garden with 7 foot tall tomato plants.
I just sent off a soil sample. I’m getting a lot of foliage and not much fruit, so I suspect I’ve got deficiencies.
I just moved in here last summer and began the digging for the garden last fall.”
Add Add potash, you will get a bumper crop. You have lots of nitrogen in the soil, promotes foliage. Get some powered glacier rock at a farm supply, watch ’em go.
Also off grid, have not bought veggies in years, we have sufficient to give away/trade.
Cheers.Interestingly enough, last week at the community market, quite a few people spontaneously remarked on the current situation(s).
“Have you noticed how many homes are for sale now with no buyers”……”No-one spending any money at the market this year.”……”My husband and I both out of work, unheard of at this time of year here.”……..”The world (economic, climate, environmental, political situation) seems to be spiraling out of control”………These observations on the minds and lips of many here now. It is becoming more apparent to a lot more people that we humans have been going down an unfortunate road for far too long a time……..perhaps we’ve lost the ability to find our way back.We use the mini-hoop-house method as well. Also in the PNW, planting tomatoes, peppers, eggplant. we’re using pvc because we had a lot of scrap pieces on hand. Raised beds are the way to go here, but we have found that using wood for the sides was not the best way for us. Anything but cedar rots out way too fast. Cedar has become difficult to obtain for any reasonable cost.
We has some used metal roofing on hand, 36 inch wide pieces. Folded in half, joined at the corners by screwing to bits of cedar, plastic pipe, or what ever works, they make great 18 inch deep beds. Easy and very quick to make. I think we have about 30 beds now, mostly 4 ft wide and between 8 and 12 feet long. They work great, slugs avoid climbing them, bugs don’t eat them, they are high enough to keeps most weed seeds out, easy to scrounge. Unfortunately, not pretty in winter when they are mostly empty.Ash said:
“PS – We will probably end up closing commentary threads altogether, and just running general discussion threads with the features, like before. Or something like that.”Perhaps I am a bit of a Luddite, but please Ash, do return to the general discussion. I find the new system takes up far too much time searching. I recall in the former TAE there was much talk of increasing complexity causing increasing systems fragility.
I did much prefer the previous format of general free-ranging discussion and the reader/commenter supplied links. I enjoyed that general commentary as much as the feature articles.
We set up a recurring donation to TAE about a year ago, and really felt we got our money’s worth.Now I find it takes much more time to use the site, so don’t use it as as much. The old “Blogger” certainly had its drawbacks, but it was simple.
Thanks to you all….. staff and commenters…….. your illuminations have been invaluable.
