Oct 252020
 


Henri Matisse Sorrow of the King 1952

 

Politics Can Never Really ‘Follow The Science’ (G.)
Costco Sells Coronavirus Saliva Test Kits Online — Here’s What They Cost (Fox)
Long-Standing Claims Of Biden Corruption All But Confirmed (Schweizer/Bruner)
Chinese Hunter Biden Leaker: Over 10,000 Pictures Coming, More Videos (GP)
CNN’s Van Jones: Trump ‘Has Done Good Stuff For The Black Community’ (JTN)
Make America Jeffersonian Again (Escobar)
After 224 Years, Virginia To Let Judges Decide Sentences (DM)
Global Wealth Shrugs Off Pandemic To Hit $400 Trillion For First Time Ever (F.)
Capitalism Double-Bills: We Pay For Our Future To Be Stolen From Us (Cook)
France Recalls Turkey Envoy After Erdogan Says Macron Needs Mental Check (BBC)
BBC White Helmets ‘Documentary’ Targets Syria War Narratives Challengers (RT)
Amy Coney Barrett Adopts Local Troubled Youngster Named Hunter (BBee)

 

 

“Now he speaks for almost no one. He is making his own decisions, which is what we pay him to do.”

“In the end, political decision-making has to rest on personal judgment – there is no scientific manual to tell leaders what to do.”

Politics Can Never Really ‘Follow The Science’ (G.)

What happened to following the science? In the spring, when Boris Johnson and his scientific advisers were proceeding in lockstep, there was no disagreement about the necessity of shutting the country down. Now the government is coming to its own conclusions about what is needed, and the scientists on the Sage advisory group have started distancing themselves from No 10’s decisions. Critics complain that the politicians are chancing it rather than being led by the evidence. But as the German sociologist Max Weber argued a century ago, politics can never really follow the science. Pretending that it can is where the trouble starts. Weber believed that politics and science do not mix. In the end, political decision-making has to rest on personal judgment – there is no scientific manual to tell leaders what to do.

More to the point, scientists are not well suited to making those decisions. They want the facts to speak for themselves. That is wishful thinking: facts alone cannot tell us what to do. In politics, expecting the evidence to point the way does not reduce the arbitrariness of the outcome. All political choices are arbitrary to a degree. Using statistics to justify difficult decisions just makes them appear more arbitrary for anyone who happens to disagree. The widespread consensus in March that a national lockdown was needed – shared not just by national politicians and their expert advisers, but by the public too – was not primarily driven by the science. It came from a joint conviction that things were getting out of control. Something had to be done. Most people began social distancing well before the government mandated it, and many stopped before the government told them it was safe.

In the spring, Johnson could plausibly claim to speak for the country as a whole when he took drastic action. Now he speaks for almost no one. He is making his own decisions, which is what we pay him to do. His problem is that he can’t admit it. He has to pretend that nakedly political judgments – about who gets what, and who pays the price – are being calibrated to a more nuanced understanding of the evidence. He is weighing up a virus whose health impacts are concentrated locally against economic consequences where the effects are national. Manchester v London is not a problem that can be solved by an algorithm or better stats.

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What happens when politics does follow science. The last thing you want is for the cost to keep people from being tested.

Costco Sells Coronavirus Saliva Test Kits Online — Here’s What They Cost (Fox)

A saliva PCR test kit alone costs $129.99, but the kit with a video observation costs $139.99 It turns out, you really can get everything at Costco. The wholesale retailer is now selling at-home coronavirus test kits on its website. The saliva PCR tests are administered by telemedicine platform AZOVA and cost $129.99 for just the test kit or $139.99 for the test kit with a “video observation,” according to the product descriptions. People who buy the $129.99 test kit are expected to get their results within 24-72 hours after the lab receives their kit. Those who buy the more expensive test can expect their results within 24-48 hours from when the kit gets to the lab.


A PCR test, according to the AZOVA website, is “a type of ‘molecular diagnostic test’” that is “much more sensitive than most antigen tests.” On the Costco website, the PCR tests are described as “the gold standard testing method with the most accurate sensitivity and specificity currently on the market.” And unlike many other coronavirus tests, the AZOVA saliva test doesn’t involve “a painful nasal swab,” the product description says. According to the product pages, the tests are FSA eligible and have been authorized by the FDA under the Emergency Use Act. The tests are “highly accurate, with a sensitivity of 98% (meaning 98% of positive tests are correct) and a specificity of 99% (meaning 99% of negative tests are correct),” the description says.

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What we know so far.

Long-Standing Claims Of Biden Corruption All But Confirmed (Schweizer/Bruner)

In response to [our 2018 book]“Secret Empires,” one of Joe Biden’s aides said “we aren’t going to engage on a politically motivated hit pieces …” Team Biden did not bother to respond to specific allegations that the Biden family vacuumed up millions, in the exact locales where Biden was Obama’s policy “point man.” When the issue reemerged during the campaign, Team Biden continued to call it a “conspiracy theory” but this time, Joe Biden firmly put himself on record. “I have never discussed with my son or my brother or anyone else anything having to do with their businesses — period,” he told reporters in August 2019. “I never talk with my son or my brother or anyone else in the distant family about their business interests, period.” He repeated similar blanket denials on numerous occasions. These denials all proved to be untruthful. Period.

We now know that Joe Biden met directly with his son’s Chinese business partner, Jonathan Li, in a Chinese hotel lobby on a fateful trip in 2013 (a trip that allowed Hunter to spend hours with his father, the vice president, on a transoceanic flight to Beijing aboard Air Force Two). Ten days later, Hunter landed an unprecedented $1 billion private equity deal, bankrolled by the Chinese government. But this was not the only meeting Joe Biden had with Biden family business partners. As the New York Post reported, e-mails on Hunter Biden’s hard drive reveal that on April 16, 2015, Joe Biden met with a high-level official of a controversial Ukrainian energy company, Burisma, which had put Hunter on its board. And a recently unearthed photo shows that Vice President Biden met with Hunter’s Kazakh business associate in Washington D.C.

After first dismissing the gathering scandal as a “conspiracy theory,” the Biden team shifted to the position that Joe had never talked with his family about their business dealings, then shifted again to the position that he’d never met with his family’s business partners. Now, with the latest document revelations, Joe Biden unveiled his latest defense in the recent debate: “I have not taken a single penny from any country whatsoever, ever.” Team Biden points to Joe and Jill Biden’s tax returns as evidence that Joe did nothing improper. It is worth noting that the family members upon whom foreign entities showered money are not required to disclose their finances.

We now know the Biden paydays were anything but conspiracy theories. Hunter was getting roughly $1 million per year from Burisma. Treasury Department alerts reveal that Russian oligarch Elena Baturina wired $3.5 million to Biden’s interests. New text messages reveal that China Energy Company Ltd (CEFC) apparently paid $5 million to the Biden family. Another e-mail indicates Hunter demanded a $10 million per year “fee” from one of his Chinese business partners. There is no more doubt.

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Where did this guy come from? Where did he get the material?

Chinese Hunter Biden Leaker: Over 10,000 Pictures Coming, More Videos (GP)

The Chinese billionaire behind the website where explicit photographs and videos of Hunter Biden were leaked on Saturday night has warned that “there will be more than 10,000 pictures” and “more and more videos.” Lude (Wang DingGang), founder of Lude Media and part of the Whistle-Blower Movement that is aimed at exposing the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), was banned on Twitter soon after the leaks started. Undeterred, Lude began posting about the leaks on Parler, a freer speech alternative to Twitter, where he quickly gained thousands of followers. “There will more and more than 10000 pictures coming,” Lude wrote on the social network. “There will be more and more videos coming!” The explicit leaks are riddled with drugs and what appear to be prostitutes. They have called into question whether or not a Biden presidency would be a national security threat with the amount of blackmail material on his son.

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You heretic!

CNN’s Van Jones: Trump ‘Has Done Good Stuff For The Black Community’ (JTN)

CNN commentator Van Jones on Friday gave unexpected praise of President Trump during a roundtable, arguing that the president should be recognized more for what Jones said are the beneficial things his administration has done for black Americans. “… I get beat up by liberals every time I say it but I keep saying it, he has done good stuff for the Black community,” Jones, who is black himself, said during the panel discussion. “Opportunity Zone stuff, black college stuff, I worked with him on criminal stuff, I saw Donald Trump have African-American people, [formerly] incarcerated, in the White House, embraced them, treated them well.”


“There is a side to Donald Trump that I think he does not get enough credit for,” added Jones, who once served as an adviser for Barack Obama. The commentator during his remarks did express disappointment at Trump’s recent comparison of himself to Abraham Lincoln. He also said that Trump’s alleged “playing footsie on Twitter with … white nationalists organizations” turns off many black voters to Trump’s overall message. “[T]hat’s the tragedy of these mixed messages from the Trump White House,” he argued.

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“Self-evident truths” were back with a bang. One can’t make this stuff up.”

Make America Jeffersonian Again (Escobar)

The whole planet has every reason to be terminally puzzled at how all those lofty Enlightenment ideals Thomas Jefferson embedded in the 1776 Declaration of Independence ended up with… Trump vs. Biden. Jefferson borrowed freely from Locke, Rousseau, Hume to come up with an eminently quotable Greatest Hits, featuring “self-evident” truths such as “all men are created equal”, “unalienable rights”, and that searing “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” Well, Baudrillard would have dubbed the exercise a mere simulacrum, because in real life none of this uplifting rhetoric applied to Native Americans and enslaved Africans. Still, there’s something endlessly fascinating about these “self-evident truths”.


They actually radiated like Spinoza axioms, spawning abstract truths that can be extrapolated at will. Jefferson’s “self-evident truths” ended up creating the whole, massive structure of what we define as “Western liberal democracy”. So it’s no wonder that America – perennially self-described as “leader of the free world” – consider these “self-evident truths” as the basis of an ideal society. And it’s this messianic river of fervent truth flowing out of a Himalaya of Morality that leads Americans to dismiss as “malign actors” every nation or society that is judged to be “deviating” from such obvious evidence. Cut to a mini-remix of the last Trump-Biden presidential debate. In foreign policy terms, it went something like this.

The moderator is desperate to move on as she’s very much aware of time constraints and looming, incandescent clashes: “Now I want to move on to Defense. It’s established Russia and China are interfering in our election process…” Here’s classic “self-evident truth” material, delivered according to strict Council on Foreign Relations guidelines. Cut to Biden: any country that interferes with the American elections “will pay a price”. Russia’s “been involved, China has been involved to some degree, and Iran’s been involved.” They are interfering with “American sovereignty”. Rudy Giuliani was used “as a Russian pawn”. Trump is “unwilling” to confront Putin. Russia has “destabilized NATO” and is “paying bounties to kill Americans in Afghanistan.” And China “has to play by the rules” – or else.

Cut to Trump: “You mean the laptop from hell is another Russia, Russia, Russia hoax?” For the record: Joe Biden did blame the contents of son Hunter’s laptop from hell on Russia. And discussing North Korea, when Trump said he got along fine with Kim Jong-Un, Biden stated, “We had a good relationship with Hitler before he invaded Europe.” Incidentally, Germany is and remains in Europe. And it’s quite something to see Biden acknowledging in public proven US industrial and political support to Nazism. So, inevitably, the laptop from hell had to show up. The FBI had Hunter Biden’s laptop since December 2019 – as it had issued a subpoena for it in the first place. And yet the FBI sat on the laptop for 11 months doing nothing.

That must have given plenty of time for those pesky Russians to steal the laptop and plant incriminating evidence. Well, not really. The FBI was busy mulling how to conduct an investigation on “money laundering”. And not on child porn – which, according to Giuliani, is the piece de resistance in the laptop. No one knows if these alleged “investigations” are ongoing. Now, the FBI and the Department of Justice have finally “concurred”: Hunter Biden’s laptop and emails were not part of a Russian disinformation campaign – directly contradicting what Joe Biden said in the debate. But then, right before the debate, a bombshell presser – including the FBI and Homeland Security – had announced those pesky Russians and Iranians were in fact “trying to influence opinion” on the US elections. “Self-evident truths” were back with a bang. One can’t make this stuff up.

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‘Jurors have no idea what a normal sentence is..’

After 224 Years, Virginia To Let Judges Decide Sentences (DM)

Virginia juries have been allowed to decide punishments for criminals for more than 200 years, but a new state bill could put that sentencing power in the hands of judges. Defense attorneys call it ‘the jury penalty’ – a centuries-old sentencing system in Virginia that calls for juries to decide punishment for criminal defendants, which often leads to stiffer sentences than what judges give or prosecutors offer in plea deals. This sentencing structure has been in place for 224 years, but under a bill recently approved by the state legislature, Virginia is expected to turn sentencing over to judges, joining the vast majority of states around the country. Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam, a strong supporter of criminal justice reform, is expected to sign the bill into law.

The proposal sparked fierce debate during a special legislative session focused on criminal justice and police reform. Supporters of the change said giving judges the sentencing responsibility will result in fairer sentences, but prosecutors predicted it will result in more jury trials and therefore require additional judges, court clerks and public defenders. The bill’s sponsor, Democratic Sen. Joe Morrissey from Richmond, said that under the current system, many people charged with crimes in Virginia are so fearful of getting a severe sentence from a jury that they often accept a plea deal from prosecutors that includes a longer sentence than they would typically get from a judge. Unlike judges, juries in Virginia are not given state sentencing guidelines that would tell them what a typical sentence would be for a particular crime, and they tend to hand out stiffer sentences.

In fiscal year 2019, sentences handed down by juries went above sentencing guidelines 37 per cent of the time, and in 2018, juries exceeded sentencing guidelines nearly 50 per cent of the time, according to annual reports by the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission. ‘Jurors have no idea what a normal sentence is,’ Morrissey said. ‘That’s why it is important to have a judge sentencing who has the guidelines and can put it into context.’

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Unparalelled wealth transfer.

Global Wealth Shrugs Off Pandemic To Hit $400 Trillion For First Time Ever (F.)

Despite the pandemic plunging economies worldwide into their deepest slumps on record and tens of millions being made unemployed, global wealth has risen to its highest level ever. Since the start of the year, total household wealth has grown by $1 trillion, or 0.25%, to top $400 trillion for the first time, according to Credit Suisse’s annual global wealth report. Most of this increase has been due to the rapid rebound of stock markets from their March lows. This was driven by governments pumping billions into their economies to stave off collapse as the pandemic gathered pace. On the face of it, the average global household’s wealth is little changed in 2020, despite the economic turmoil. But drilling deeper into the numbers reveals huge disparities, with the headline figures masking a vast gulf between the economic winners and losers this year.


Average household wealth rose by 0.25% between the start of the year and the end of June. However, average wealth per adult actually fell slightly, by 0.4% to $76,984 because the number of adults rose quicker during the six months. Anthony Shorrocks, Credit Suisse’s economist and the report author, said: “Given the damage inflicted by Covid-19 on the global economy, it seems remarkable that household wealth has emerged relatively unscathed.”The volatility this year has been a marked contrast to the upward trajectory of wealth growth seen in 2019. Last year, total global wealth rose by $36.3 trillion, or 8.5%, a record pace as global stock markets surged. In the first three months of this year, $17.5 trillion was wiped off household wealth worldwide as the onset of the Covid-19 pandemic sparked a savage equity crash. The subsequent recovery meant that total household wealth is slightly up on the year.

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“..externalities – and capitalism – are inherently violent…”

Capitalism Double-Bills: We Pay For Our Future To Be Stolen From Us (Cook)

Here is a word that risks deterring you from reading on much further, even though it may hold the key to understanding why we are in such a terrible political, economic and social mess. That word is “externalities”. It sounds like a piece of economic jargon. It is a piece of economic jargon. But it is also the foundation stone on which the west’s current economic and ideological system has been built. Focusing on how externalities work and how they have come to dominate every sphere of our lives is to understand how we are destroying our planet – and offer at the same time the waypost to a better future. In economics, “externalities” are usually defined indifferently as the effects of a commercial or industrial process on a third party that are not costed into that process.

Here is what should be a familiar example. For decades, cigarette manufacturers made enormous profits by concealing scientific evidence that over time their product could prove lethal to customers. The firms profited by externalising the costs associated with cigarettes – of death and disease – on to those buying their cigarettes and wider society. People gave Philip Morris and British American Tobacco their money as these companies made those smoking Marlboros and Lucky Strikes progressively unhealthier. The externalised cost was paid – is still paid – by the customers themselves, by grieving families, by local and national health services, and by the taxpayer. Had the firms been required to pick up these various tabs, it would have proved entirely unprofitable to manufacture cigarettes.

Externalities are not incidental to the way capitalist economies run. They are integral to them. After all, it is a legal obligation on private companies to maximise profits for their shareholders – in addition, of course, to the personal incentive bosses have to enrich themselves, and each company’s need to avoid making themselves vulnerable to more profitable and predatory competitors in the marketplace. Companies are therefore motivated to offload as many costs as possible on to others. As we shall see, externalities mean someone other than the company itself pays the true cost behind its profits, either because those others are too weak or ignorant to fight back or because the bill comes due further down the line. And for that reason, externalities – and capitalism – are inherently violent.

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The lira plunged again this week. Everytime that happens, Erdogan plays more to his hardcore supporters to blame outsiders.

France Recalls Turkey Envoy After Erdogan Says Macron Needs Mental Check (BBC)

France has recalled its ambassador to Turkey for consultations after President Recep Tayyip Erdogan insulted his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron. He said Mr Macron needed a mental health check for pledging to defend secular values and fight radical Islam. Mr Macron has spoken out forcefully on these issues after a French teacher was murdered for showing cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in class. France “will not give up our cartoons”, he said earlier this week. Depictions of the Prophet Muhammad can cause serious offence to Muslims because Islamic tradition explicitly forbids images of Muhammad and Allah (God). But state secularism – or laïcité – is central to France’s national identity.


Curbing freedom of expression to protect the feelings of one particular community, the state says, undermines the country’s unity. Responding to Mr Macron’s campaign to defend such values – which began before the teacher was murdered – Mr Erdogan asked in a speech: “What’s the problem of the individual called Macron with Islam and with the Muslims?” He added: “Macron needs treatment on a mental level. “What else can be said to a head of state who does not understand freedom of belief and who behaves in this way to millions of people living in his country who are members of a different faith?” In the wake of the remarks, a French presidential official told AFP news agency that France’s ambassador to Turkey was being recalled for consultations, and would be meeting Mr Macron.

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The UK gov’t needs this, to maintain the Skripal and Navalny narratives.

BBC White Helmets ‘Documentary’ Targets Syria War Narratives Challengers (RT)

The BBC is preparing an attack against journalists, former diplomats, academics and scientists who challenge the dominant pro-war narratives against Syria underpinned by the pseudo-humanitarian White Helmets. The British public broadcaster has sent out requests for comments to those who have dared to expose the role the UK government and its intelligence agencies have played in the destabilization of Syria, which look more like neo-McCarthyist charge sheets. The producer of an upcoming Radio 4 documentary series had been in email and telephone conversation with the author of this article, as well as Peter Ford, former UK ambassador to Syria, and members of the Working Group on Syria, Media and Propaganda (WGSMP) since June 2020. The result of those conversations, during which the evidence emanating from serious scientific research and on-the-ground testimony was presented to the producer, was a familiar list of accusations of “conspiracy theorism” and suggestions of “incentivized” Russian or Syrian bias.

Fellow independent journalist Eva Bartlett has spent long periods of time inside Syria, reporting from many of the most high-risk areas during the Syrian Arab Army allied campaigns to liberate swathes of Syrian territory from the US coalition-proxy occupation. She had this to say about the email she received a few days ago: “The questions emailed to me by the BBC evidence a predetermined intent to character assassination. This approach shows an utter lack of journalistic integrity on the part of the BBC. The BBC’s hostile insinuations against me arrogantly infer that neither I nor the Syrians I interview think for ourselves, but are puppets of the Syrian and Russian governments. My journalism dates back to 2007 and is quite extensive, with 13 years of on the ground experience, from Palestine and Syria, to Venezuela and eastern Ukraine, and elsewhere.

[..] The former UK ambassador to Syria, Peter Ford, also received the BBC bill of indictment and he issued this statement in response: “The BBC have systematically tried to suppress views on Syria which run counter to the standard one-sided narrative. This programme’s efforts to smear dissenters takes BBC conduct to a new low. By alleging conspiracy theorising where there is only evidence-based reporting and analysis, the BBC is showing its frustration at being unable to stifle truth-telling. The only conspiracy here is whatever coordination has taken place between the BBC and British authorities responsible for failing to achieve regime change in Syria despite throwing many millions of taxpayer money at the effort. Why is the BBC not drawing attention to the biggest failure of British foreign policy since Suez, as judged by its self-proclaimed objective of removing Assad, rather than busying itself with trying to take down unsupported individual dissenters who have ranged against them the vast wealth and resources of the establishment?

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“He has also renounced his old ways and paid back a Ukrainian gas company fourfold.”

Amy Coney Barrett Adopts Local Troubled Youngster Named Hunter (BBee)

According to sources, Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett has adopted her 8th child, a troubled local youngster named Hunter. In a touching story of love triumphing over all odds, the Barrett family fought for custody of Hunter and welcomed him into their family for the first time this week. “This family has love to spare,” said Judge Barrett. “We just knew we had another child out there somewhere. We were told by the agency that young Hunter had his fair share of issues, but we knew we would be up to the challenge.” According to friends of the family, Hunter is slowly adjusting to his new home and family. He has kicked an old drug habit and is now attending church with the rest of the family.

He has also renounced his old ways and paid back a Ukrainian gas company fourfold. “We love having Hunter with us!” said the leader of the small church group Hunter attends every week. “Whenever we share testimonies, he puts our testimonies to shame with stories of drugs, corruption, and horrific scandal, unlike anything we’ve heard. Awesome!” Judge Barrett is still struggling to teach Hunter the value of hard work. He is being paid a few dollars to do chores around the house when he’s used to being paid $50,000 per month for nothing. “We’re still working on it,” she said.

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    Henri Matisse Sorrow of the King 1952   • Politics Can Never Really ‘Follow The Science’ (G.) • Costco Sells Coronavirus Saliva Test Kits Online
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle October 25 2020]

    #64805

    Kimo
    Participant

    Registered Sex Offender Listing:
    1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
    (also see Tara Reade, and others)

    EXCLUSIVE SOURCE: Biden Daughter’s Diary Details ‘Not Appropriate’ Showers With Joe As Child


    (my apologies for re-posting)

    #64807

    V. Arnold
    Participant

    @ Kimo
    “Was I molested. I think so.”

    That’s quite a post; however, I’m not jumping on the band wagon…
    Is it true?
    That is certainly the #1 question; I think Biden is scum; but, lets be careful here…

    #64808

    John Day
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    The picture of “10% for the big guy” sign looked like El Paso to me. I googled “Trek bike shop, Interstate highway 10”. There are 2 in El Paso and one in Las Cruces that it might be. I wasted about a dozen minutes trying to get google maps street view to give me clear confirmation. There’s one in Phoenix, too, but less gravel lying around in Phoenix.

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    John Day
    Participant

    Oh,… FIDDLESTICKS!
    The internet doesn’t want me to post what I need to post, that we all need to see.
    I’ll try breaking it into 3 little bites, but it’s the content that is clearly the problematic issue…
    https://www.johndayblog.com/2020/10/kennedy-for-president.html

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    John Day
    Participant

    It’s all there on the blog. Fist 3 stories are the story:
    https://www.johndayblog.com/2020/10/kennedy-for-president.html

    Those who understand that this ‘reset’ is not a reset but rather a whole new proposal on the entire organization of society, but being done through oligarchical methods and without the sort of mandate required in a society governed by laws and not men, are – as we have said – reluctant to admit that a great change is indeed necessary.
    Rather, we must understand that the underlying catastrophic economic mechanisms which are forcing this great change exist independently of the coronavirus, and exist independently of the particular changes which the oligarchs promoting their version of a ‘reset’ (read: new proposals) would like to see.
    You see, the people and the oligarchs are locked into a single system together. In the long-term, it seems as if the oligarchs are looking for solutions to change that fact, and effect a final solution that grants them an entirely break-away civilization. But at this moment, that is not the case. Yet this system cannot carry forward as it has been, and the Coronavirus presents a reason at once both mysterious in its timing and also profound in its implications, to push forward a new proposal.
    We believe that technology is quickly arriving at a point where the vast majority of human beings will be considered redundant. If the technocracy wants to create a walled civilization, and leave the rest of humanity to manage their own lives along some agrarian, mediaeval mode of production, there may indeed be benefits to those who live along agrarian lines. But based in what we know about psychopathy, and the tendency of that among those who govern, such an amicable solution is likely not in the cards.
    That is why the anti-lockdown protests are so critically important to endorse. This is precisely because the lockdown measures are used to ban mass public demonstrations, a critical part of pushing public policy in the direction of the interests of the general public. A whole part of the left has been compromised, and rolled out to fight imaginary fascists, by which they mean anyone with conventional social views which predate May of 1968. All the while the actual plutocrats unleash a new system of oligarchical control which, for most, has not been hitherto contemplated except by relatively obscure political scientists, futurists, and science fiction authors.

    Whose Great Reset? The Fight for Our Future – Technocracy vs. the Republic

    ​Robert F. Kennedy Jr, International Message for Freedom and Hope. Watch the first 20 seconds, please, and get a nice mug of good coffee, because you will have decided to watch the rest. .
    This is the time to speak freely, no matter what, and to gather against totalitarianism.​
    This is what that first essay is about. I realized it in 20 seconds.
    This is the most important speech I have heard in decades. Thanks Cat.

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    John Day
    Participant

    Since this is working , now, I patched on #4 from Caitlin in Oz.
    https://www.johndayblog.com/2020/10/kennedy-for-president.html

    What the Great Reset Architects Don’t Want You To Understand About Economics​, Matthew Ehret
    ​ ​The fact of the oncoming collapse itself should not be a surprise- especially when one is reminded of the $1.5 quadrillion of derivatives which has taken over a world economy which generates a mere $80 trillion/year in measurable goods and trade. These nebulous bets on insurance on bets on collateralized debts known as derivatives didn’t even exist a few decades ago, and the fact is that no matter what the Federal Reserve and European Central Bank have attempted to do to stop a new rupture of this overextended casino bubble of an economy in recent months, nothing has worked. Zero to negative percent interest rates haven’t worked, opening overnight repo loans of $100 billion/night to failing banks hasn’t worked- nor has $4.5 trillion of bailout unleashed since March 2020. No matter what these financial wizards try to do, things just keep getting worse. Rather than acknowledge what is actually happening, scapegoats have been selected to shift the blame away from reality to the point that the current crisis is actually being blamed on the Coronavirus! ​…
    ​ When Alan Greenspan confronted the financial crisis of October1987, markets had collapsed by 28.5% and the American economy was already suffering from a decay begun 16 years earlier when the dollar was removed from the fixed exchange rate and was “floated” into a world of speculation.
    ​ ​[American spending in Vietnam caused a hemorrhage of g​ol​d out of the country and forced Nixon to default on ​the gold backed dollar​.]
    This departure from the 1938-1971 Industrial growth model ushered in a new paradigm of “post-industrialism” (aka: nation stripping) under the new logic of “globalization”. This foolish decision was celebrated as the consumer-driven, “white collar society” which would no longer worry about “intangible things” like “the future”, infrastructure maintenance, or “growth”. Under this new paradigm, if something couldn’t generate a monetary profit within 3 years, it wasn’t worth doing.
    ​ ​Paul Volcker (Greenspan’s predecessor at the Federal Reserve) exemplified this detachment from reality when he called for the “controlled disintegration of society” in 1977, and acted accordingly by keeping interest rates above 20% for two years which destroyed small and medium agro-industrial enterprises across America (and the world). Greenspan confronted the 1987 crisis with all the gusto of a black magician, and rather than re-connect the economy to physical reality and rebuild the decaying industrial base, he chose instead to normalize “creative financial instruments” in the form of derivatives (aka: “creative financial instruments”), which quickly grew from several billion in 1988 to $2 trillion in 1992 to $70 trillion in 1999.​..
    ​ An obvious first step to this recovery involves restoring Glass-Steagall in order to 1) break up the Too Big to Fail banks and 2) impose a standard of judging “false” value from “legitimate” value which is currently absent from the modern psycho that lost all sense of needs vs wants. This would allow nations to re-create a purge of the unpayable fictitious debt and other claims from the system while preserving whatever is tied to the real economy (whatever is directly connected to life). This process is sort of akin to cutting a cancer.
    ​ ​This act would look very similar to what Franklin Roosevelt did in 1933 which I outlined in my recent paper Hyperinflation, Fascism and War: How the New World Order May be Defeated Once More.
    ​ ​At this point nation states will have re-asserted their true authority over the pirates of private finance controlling the Trans-Atlantic financial system like would-be gods of Olympus (unbounded perverted vices and all).
    ​ ​It should be obvious to all that the United States must get its head out of its proverbial ass before it is too late by imposing these reforms onto the murderous sociopaths on Wall Street and London who would rather promote a “Great Reset” onto the world economy under the fog of COVD in order to control the terms of the blowout and also the rules of the new post-nation state operating system which they wish to see brought online as a (final) “solution”.

    What the Great Reset Architects Don’t Want You To Understand About Economics

    ​From Sister Caitlin, in Oz, by way of Marjorie:
    ​ The real debate in US politics is not between the two mainstream factions which agree with one another on virtually everything that matters to every extent that matters. The real debate is those two factions together against those who understand that the entire American status quo needs to be flushed down the toilet.
    The real political debate in America is between (A) those who understand that the US empire is the single most destructive force on this planet and is corrupt from root to flower, and (B) those who subscribe to mainstream partisan narratives which by design support the US empire.

    US Politics Isn’t ‘Polarized’; It’s In Almost Universal Agreement

    #64815

    Michael Reid
    Participant
    #64816

    zerosum
    Participant

    “…. but is it true?”
    A grain of salt
    only 10% care for the truth

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/24/biden-corruption-claims-all-but-confirmed-with-hunter-emails/
    Long-standing claims of Biden corruption all but confirmed with Hunter’s emails
    By Peter Schweizer and Seamus BrunerOctober 24, 2020

    ———–

    BREAKING: Hunter Biden Leaker Warns ‘There Will Be More Than 10,000 Pictures,’ ‘More and More Videos’

    BREAKING: Hunter Biden Leaker Warns ‘There Will Be More Than 10,000 Pictures,’ ‘More and More Videos’
    By Cassandra Fairbanks
    Published October 24, 2020
    ——
    This “corruption by proxy,” in which top leaders keep their hands clean while their family members exploit their association to make fortunes, has been perfected by the “red aristocracy” in Beijing.

    Cover of the book “Hidden Hand” by Clive Hamilton and Mareike Ohlberg.

    In the crucial years 2014 and 2015, Beijing was aggressively expanding into the South China Sea while Obama, Kerry, and Biden were sitting on their hands…
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    #64817

    Dr. D
    Participant

    “Politics Can Never Really ‘Follow The Science’ (G.)”

    In a way they’re right: life itself is not science. So although we would certainly like and need the best information and predictions, “science” (that is, a bunch a fallible humans of which some minority will inevitably disagree) is only ONE thing we need to consider. Particularly in our careless use of the word. “Science” may say lockdown (it didn’t) but the “science” of the economy might say not to. The “science” of history might say that it would end human rights. The “science” of sociology might say it would injure peoples’ mental health and precipitate 100k young suicides. The “science” of grievance studies, that is to say, ‘politics’, might say that it would wildly and irresponsibly exacerbate income disparity, class warfare, and cause 150 days of violent, nation-ending riots. And beyond all that, we may decide that life itself is not worth living without FREEDOM, to breathe, to talk, to feel the sun on our face, which is neither logical nor scientific, but something much, much more important.

    The GOVERNMENT — that is to say, only one and predominantly legal expression of the overall society – has to balance all these things and many more. Like law, of which we have broken all and followed none. No 1A, Speech, Assembly, Religion, and Press, no 4A, search, 5A due process, no 10A, Federal has no authority over states, and expressly not over medical or economic, the CDC, a non-governmental agency is freely abrogating written contracts in express opposition to A1S10 of Federal Law, and about 100 others. Like the courts saying “yes this is totally illegal” and the executives still saying “Don’t care. Make me.” The court does not have a gun-totin’ army. That leaves it to the people.

    But one day perhaps science will return. One day we will have laws again. Or rather, laws that apply to THEM, the serial criminals, and not us, poor folks harming no one.

    Costco Sells Coronavirus Saliva Test Kits Online — Here’s What They Cost (Fox)

    And such test being completely, totally useless as they give unactionable results, days too late. Profits are brisk though! For box stores, megacorps, and billionaires. 0% interest means employees at Costco are replaced by capital assets like robots.

    Long-Standing Claims Of Biden Corruption All But Confirmed (Schweizer/Bruner)”

    So strange how this was openly published by The Atlantic(?) in 2015 without comment, highlighting how State Dept was in internal discussions about the dangerous inappropriateness of this, even if only by appearance. Now it never happened. By the same magazines who printed it the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd time. But not now, fellow goldfish. Never happened. It’s cray cray. Who you gonna believe, violent, 5-war-starting, mass-murdering, slave-market-creating narcissists like me or your lyin’ eyes? Why ask? We know the answer. There is never a murder, war, or theft they didn’t like or approve of. “He’s Presidential now.”

    “There is a side to Donald Trump that I think he does not get enough credit for,” added Jones, who once served as an adviser for Barack Obama.”

    Somehow – and I know you’re all as confused as I – this all stopped and he realized he was a racist the day he announced his candidacy against Hillary. A year before Obama was quoted as saying Trump was the American dream, and top rappers often featured him in their lyrics. Funny ol’ world. Nope. Never happened. He did not donate to those causes and was seen in black charity photos for 30 years. He did not hire the first woman executive to put up a skyscraper in NY. He was not approved of by the King family. He was not the candidate who talked to IceT. Nope, nope, nope. Today is #OppositeDay, and it never happened. We hold the truth to be self-evident: Orange Man Bad.

    before he invaded Europe.” Like everyone I missed that, knowing what was meant. Funny. Nor can Britain “leave Europe”. What was it Patrick Henry said about confusing a nation with its government? All from about the Dog Catcher on up believe the government IS the nation, and therefore any help and strength to the government helps rather than drains the people.

    “‘That’s why it is important to have a judge sentencing”

    They don’t do this either. A convicted college rapist was given no sentence since having any punishment at all would “ruin his prospects” as a young man, the judge said. Oh and when settled by judge? No appeal. (process, harder…) Then at the federal level, they set the required sentence, including such things as “three strikes”. So if you joyride a car, break a toilet: life sentence. That goes back to Brubaker in 1980, long before today’s complaints. Look if society is no good, and the people are ignorant, vindictive, themselves criminal, nothing you do is going to help. You can only be who you are. You can’t be saved from yourself, and they constantly believe – without evidence as they say – that government officials, drawn from a violently corrupt society, and democratically elected BY a corrupt, violent, Godless society, won’t themselves be violent and corrupt, and moreso. That it beggars logic and could only be believed by irrational ignoramuses proves my point.

    How’d that Judge Sentencing work out for Epstein and General Flynn? One, no sentencing despite being convicted, one convicted despite being no case or prosecution. And then there’s Armstrong…

    Global Wealth Shrugs Off Pandemic To Hit $400 Trillion For First Time Ever (F.)”

    I’ve been thinking of this for an article but I can’t put it together. This unscientific, unnecessary, medically-opposed lockdown is just plain old “Forced Austerity”. They couldn’t get their violent, ruinous economic attacks on the poor of England and France, but now they can! They couldn’t get the Pale Horse of eco-fascism shutting down life on earth with a Green New Deal killing millions, now, they can! They didn’t have the support to murder hundred thousands of your countrymen with poverty and despair, shutting off all non-essential health care. Now, they do!

    Applause all ‘round! Golf clap: “Good show, old chum!”

    Forced. Austerity. That is to say: Murder. Of you. Wealth, your gold teeth, shipped to them. Yay! Please more, we love it! Remember: If you try to stop it, you’re Hitler!

    Again, Bezos ALONE made more money on his stock RISE since the pandemic than would pay a $100,000 bonus to EVERY Amazon employee. And they cheer and fight violently to keep his wealth rising, and theirs falling. Bezos say: “Okay, if that’s what you people want!” They can get it good and hard.

    “Externalities” is a made-up plug number for…hmmm, “everything in the real world” because economics is not a real science. Because they cannot measure anything, the math based on their fake measurements is not real math. And EVEN SO, they still need a made-up plug-in number to fill the hole. Like in the cartoon equation: “Then a miracle happens” I think you need more work there.

    However, there are lots of problems. LIFE is a system of negentropy. That is, it internalizes energy, externalizes waste. Therefore being anti-capitalist is being anti-life. It’s contrary to all living logic. But that would bring in the sober reality that live lives on death. On trading, moving things. This carrot’s life for mine, my life for this worm’s, and so on. They think there’s a one-sided coin, which is childish.

    The “externality” of cigarettes isn’t at all – it’s an active profit-maker for the medical industry, and don’t think they don’t know it. The whole system stumbles blindly toward such profits because there are things that annoy enough that we actively fight them, and others where we don’t. It simply chooses where we don’t, and a profit that makes ANOTHER big profit is something we don’t fight. We encourage it with advertising and the profit is invested in protective lobbyist that will REQUIRE the hurtful activity at the end of a gun. You know: like oil.

    This isn’t limited to Capitalism. Cartoon: “90% of the world used to live in abject poverty. Answer: Capitalism has failed!’” Somehow the Soviet Union, being part of the system of life, did NOT externalize their costs by polluting every rivers and the native Americans did NOT nearly drive the beaver to extinction. Or the elk, which the Brits actually did. And so on. Big philosophical material here.

    I’ll just say again that capitalism, money, is ONE thing and not the world. We are supposed to have a whole society that weighs ALL the things. Particularly religion that we hate so much, and morality we attack on sight. Bo-ring. Neanderthal, non-Progressive thinking. All the kids are doing it. Don’t be to stodgy, this is the new, cool thing!

    Macron Needs Mental Check (BBC) “

    He does, I didn’t see why anyone would find that statement controversial. We can follow with every other leader and Europe, and especially all the non-persons in EU Parliament. If you go there, where your votes mean nothing and are mere “advisors” ignored and overwritten by the bureaucracy at whim, you really need your head examined.

    The “Spending that doesn’t work” Armstrong feels similarly that inflation/hyperinflation doesn’t occur that way with money and interest rates as Japan showed. However, BTC at $13,000. The Fed has created crypto-accounts for all Americans, and the world is advertising “another Bretton Woods” (i.e. a new currency system and level-set). They’ve cried Uncle and are swapping right now.

    BBC White Helmets ‘Documentary’ Targets Syria War Narratives Challengers (RT)”

    The U.N. including their OPCW dept and human-trafficking charity department, can never be discredited. For that would require both logic and shame, and we have neither. What did Russia say that we wouldn’t listen to or negotiate with monkeys or toddles either? As they are “not agreement capable”? We’re not. The Anglos have not signed a treaty in 1,000 years they haven’t broken. Look at the British bill of human rights.

    Anybody who’s anybody reads Bernays’ book. It’s on every shelf in D.C. and Madison Avenue. You’re the only one who doesn’t know about it because you – we – are the victim and the target of his work.

    #64818

    Susmarie108
    Participant

    Costco is WINNING with this one? Curious to see how consumers will respond. Direct access (on demand) to a high quality/reliable test is appealing. You might have thought that our private insurance companies would have stepped up to provide on demand tests for their customers. We know why they didn’t – because customers would have demanded that it be FREE (considering all that they are paying to have the insurance in the first place). The idea that a company could/should add VALUE to the lives of their customers – and the implementation of a value proposition – shows why Costco is respected and insurance companies are despised.

    RE: Hunter. We need to see the bank statements. I am not convinced that the deliverables were in alignment with all the big talk. For those of us who have family members with “challenges” (bipolar, drug/alcohol addiction) – we KNOW there is an endless path of destruction that seems to follow them. Their promises never match the reality on the ground. It’s looking like the email evidence is damming – however how much talk was converted into hard cash?

    Thanks for the laugh. Amy Coney Barrett adopting Hunter is a WINNER! BBee WINNING again!!

    #64819

    Susmarie108
    Participant

    The Sorrows of the King by Matisse is beautiful. I love the colors and shapes. Everything is in motion. The dancer, magnificent in costume and form, is a momentary distraction interrupting the contemplations of the shrouded artist. The red triangle is….on.

    #64820

    zerosum
    Participant

    Final Nail in Biden’s Coffin: It Looks Like Hunter’s Company Facilitated Sale of Strategic US Manufacturer to a Chinese Defense Contractor

    COMMENTARY
    Final Nail in Biden’s Coffin: It Looks Like Hunter’s Company Facilitated Sale of Strategic US Manufacturer to a Chinese Defense Contractor

    COMMENTARY
    Final Nail in Biden’s Coffin: It Looks Like Hunter’s Company Facilitated Sale of Strategic US Manufacturer to a Chinese Defense Contractor
    By Jared Harris
    Published October 24, 2020

    #64821

    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Thank you John Day

    #64822

    Boogaloo
    Participant

    Well I finally got around to watching the Social Dilemma this weekend. For those who have not seen it, I recommend it. There are parts where I wanted to yell at the screen. For example, they take it as fact that the Russians interfered in the election — watch for the scene with Vladimir Putin walking up the steps with a big smile on his face — but they try to turn this back against Facebook by saying that the Russians simply used the tools that Facebook created. The other part that I disagreed with was the message that populism on both the left and right is a bad thing. When the center is as corrupt as it is, I think a realignment is necessary, and populism is the catalyst. At this stage, the only way to turn the country around is for people to be marching in the streets. Elections do not work anymore.

    #64823

    Boogaloo
    Participant

    RFK Jr is onto something.

    There needs to be an uprising against the American oligarchy, the Federal Reserve, the Big Tech monopolies, the corporate media, the TBTF big banks, and the two major political parties. But how is that going to happen if they are all in bed with each other? The power is too concentrated, the propaganda is too sophisticated, and now they control the levers of censorship. Even if you get like-minded people together for a mass protest, they will find a way to discredit it or co-opt it for their own purposes.

    What might turn this around and send the pendulum in the other direction? Voting sure as hell isn’t going to change anything. Maybe losing reserve status of the US dollar?

    #64824

    zerosum
    Participant

    @ Boogaloo
    ” …. What might turn this around ….”
    Someone better than Trump.

    #64825

    VietnamVet
    Participant

    Today’s era first started when Jimmy Carter took the first stabs in the back of the New Deal with deregulation and privatization of the US Government. George W Bush ignited the steam roller when Dick Cheney decided to invade Iraq, based on lies; against the best interests of Americans. Barrack Obama dispensed with the rule of law; deciding that Wall Street is too big to fail. Donald Trump tilted with all his might against La La Land.

    2020 became a no choice election during a time of pestilence, universal incompetence, and corruption. The US federal government and the Western Empire fell. The White House continues to be a super-spreader site. We are observers at the end. If the past is any guide to the future, when debts become too great to be paid, they aren’t.

    A New Dark Age ruled by feudal Big Men armed with nuclear weapons in walled cities protected against migrations is coming along with mass deaths. Unless a human extinction event occurs first. “Russia is said to have built a new 100-megaton underwater nuclear doomsday device, and it has threatened the US with it.”

    Sustainability, ending inequality and costing externalities provide a possible humane future for mankind.

    #64826

    Boogaloo
    Participant

    @zerosum
    “Someone better than Trump”

    zerosum, so funny you should say that. I did not vote in the last election, and I refuse to vote in this one. But after the last one, I shrugged my shoulders and said to myself that the silver lining is that Trump’s election might hasten the decline, and therefore be a catalyst. There was talk four years ago about Trump being a disruptor. But then to survive his first term he appointed a bunch of insiders. Wall Street on Parade did a good post last week about how his appointments to the EPA, Labor Department, Interior Department and Education Department have been disasterous — they are all Koch people. And we know all about his military and financial advisors. They simply continued the policies of the Obama administration. And the Bush administration before that. No real change. And Biden promises no fundamental change.

    I have concluded that an elected government cannot and will not turn things around.

    I would like to see both parties implode. I think we are overdue for a major realignment. I think that more short term change could come from a Biden defeat. The Democrats would go batshit crazy. And that needs to happen. They either need to do some real soul searching (I am not holding my breath), or fragment, or blame the Russians again. They are a bunch of corrupt sellouts. They are not helping the people they claim to represent. They deserve to lose.

    At the same time I would love to see the Republicans blow themselves up. But a Trump defeat delays that. They can never win another Presidential election without someone like Trump because they have no ideas, no policies that anyone but the oligarchs will support. If Trump loses this year, maybe he comes back four years later? No way will people ever vote for the likes of the evil villian puppets Rubio, Cruz or McConnell.

    Some when you suggest “someone better than Trump” — I wonder who you have in mind.

    #64827

    V. Arnold
    Participant

    @ John Day

    Good vid, Kennedy is of course spot on.
    I’ve been railing for decades about fear; its promulgation by governments; particularly the U.S..
    9/11 was the penultimate master stroke for consolidating a fear based society and government in the U.S.; signed, sealed, and delivered…
    I’ve said, more than once; I have a saying; fear is a thief; do not let it steal from you.
    Never received even one mention about that.
    My view askew from 10,000+ kilometers away is: the U.S. population appears to be mentally ill and impotent against the ruling class (whom, by the way, are not elites), but rather the vilest form of scum…
    The passivity of the majority is stunning under the circumstances, IMO…
    .

    #64828

    Boogaloo
    Participant

    “fear is a thief; do not let it steal from you”
    +1

    “The passivity of the majority is stunning under the circumstances, IMO…”

    What shocks me is how effective the propaganda has been to get the people to buy into the two party system, where there is no meaningful difference in substance — you just have two different brands. Yet massive numbers of people treat the election as if this was a meaningful choice. For those who have not discovered the Jimmy Dore Show, this is a wonderful podcast. Whether you agree with his progressive politics or not, Jimmy is a truth teller, and he has great weekly takedowns of the Democratic establishment. In the most recent episode, he goes back to his show from 2016, where he predicted that there would be fewer deportations under Trump then there were under Obama. And in fact this is exactly what happened. 390K for Obama vs 220K for Trump. Obama puts people in cages and nobody care. But if Trump does it, it puts an ugly face on what has been the bipartisan policy all along, and all of a sudden people are up in arms about the inhumanity of putting people in cages.

    The problem is that the vast majority of the people no longer believe in truth. And as they say at the end of the Social Dilemma, once you throw truth out the window, it becomes impossible to have a real conversation, and it becomes impossible to solve real problems.

    #64829

    zerosum
    Participant

    Some when you suggest “someone better than Trump” — I wonder who you have in mind.

    Sorry. I’m inclined to see, in my bad crystal ball, a parallel denouement.
    The only savior, that I learned as a young man, was over 2020 years ago.

    #64830

    John Day
    Participant

    Thanks V.. Arnold.
    I caught up on everybody else’s thoughts and comments, too.
    My current thesis is that Pelosi is negotiating, not just aa something-trillion COVID package, but an actual transition of power to executive-Trump.
    The US and the Western-Empire are in desperate need of an actual executive, and there are just no other candidates than Trump. They could not beat him, and I think they are negotiating to join him, “strange bedfellows” style. What kind of deals can the Clintons and idiot-son Bush heirs get?
    I willargue that there must be actual, public demotion, loss of face and loss of property, at the very minimum, in Bush and Clinton families, as well as a lot of deep state hatchet-men, or the restof the world will not believe Trump has come into power.
    We’ll see, of course, and soon.

    #64831

    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Boogaloo
    Thanks for that.

    The problem is that the vast majority of the people no longer believe in truth. And as they say at the end of the Social Dilemma, once you throw truth out the window, it becomes impossible to have a real conversation, and it becomes impossible to solve real problems.

    There you go; no argument there…
    It’s generally acknowledged it seems, across the world, that the U.S. is in serious decline. Yet nothing changes; full speed ahead into the coming collapse…
    Do those in power/control think they are insulated against the fallout from that looming disaster?
    May the gods help us if that is the case…

    #64833

    V. Arnold
    Participant

    @ Boogaloo

    I have read some reports regarding 48 deaths attributed to a CV vaccine in SK.
    What can you tell me about that, anything?

    #64834

    Boogaloo
    Participant

    @V. Arnold

    The numbers are higher now. Here is the latest:
    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2020/10/119_298250.html

    My family got the vaccine before the story broke. Odd thing is that none of these deaths were cases of anaphylaxis shock. And it seems few, if any, were accompanied by any flu-like symptoms.

    But this is the seasonal flu vaccine, not a vaccine against coronavirus.

    #64844

    V. Arnold
    Participant

    But this is the seasonal flu vaccine, not a vaccine against coronavirus.

    Thanks for that: the shit news I get (why I asked you) missed that whole situation…
    Gods be good…news is no longer news… one can only pray the intertubes stay free enough for these communications…………….

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