Jun 092021
 


Vittorio Matteo Corcos Conversation in the Jardin du Luxembourg 1892

 

Pfizer Begins Testing Its Covid Vaccine In Children Aged 5-11 (DM)
Moderna CEO: Vaccine Boosters, Flu/Covid Combo Shots Likely For The Future (F.)
India Accuses WHO Chief Scientist of Suppressing Ivermectin Data (ET)
Indian Health Regulator Removes Ivermectin from Its Covid-19 Protocol (NC)
Oh, Once Again Right -Rank Corruption And Lies (Denninger)
Greek Leaders Take Stand On Mandatory Vaccination (K.)
Segregated Dining In NYC (DM)
Beijing’s Useful Idiots (Unherd)
China, Russia to Take Up Korea Issue Together (NW)
Blinken Says 100s of Sanctions Will Remain on Iran Despite Talks (Antiwar)
Federal Prosecutors Subpoena Material From Andrew Cuomo’s Book (DM)
US State Sues To Have Google Declared A Public Utility (Y!)

 

 

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I see nothing but pure evil. It’s too easy to propagandize children. That’s why we protect them.

Pfizer Begins Testing Its Covid Vaccine In Children Aged 5-11 (DM)

Pfizer-BioNTech has entered late-stage clinical trials of their coronavirus vaccine in children between ages five and 11. Just a few weeks after the shot was approved for teens ages 12 to 15 in the U.S., the companies are now testing safety and efficacy on younger children. Around 4,500 participants will be enrolled at nearly 100 clinical trial sites in 26 states, Finland, Poland and Spain, according to a press release. Trials for kids as young as six months to four years old are still in early stages and will expand once the researchers can determine safety. It comes as Moderna Inc’s CEO says he believes his company’s COVID-19 jab should be available for U.S. children as young as age five by fall of this year.

Parents and doctors have been debating about whether or not to inoculate children because they make up just 0.1 percent of all COVID deaths. According to clinicaltrials.gov, Pfizer’s study in younger children will work similarly to the way it did in older children and adults. About half of the ages five-to-11 group will receive two doses 21 days apart and the other half will be given placebo shots. The team will test the safety, tolerability and immune response generated by the vaccine, likely by measuring antibody levels in the young subjects.

[..] In a recent poll, conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation, parents were asked if they would get their child immunized once a COVID-19 vaccine is authorized and available for their child’s age group. Only about three in 10 parents – 29 percent – of children under 18 said they would get their child vaccinated ‘right away.’ The poll also found 15 percent only plan to vaccinate their children if the school requires it and 19 percent said their child will definitely not be getting vaccinated. What’s more, although children can contract COVID-19 and pass the disease on to others, they tend to not get very ill. More than 3.97 million children have tested positive for the virus as of Tuesday, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics.

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Snake oil.

Moderna CEO: Vaccine Boosters, Flu/Covid Combo Shots Likely For The Future (F.)

As new variants of the SARS-CoV-2 virus continue to spread around the world, vaccines produced by Moderna, BioNTech/Pfizer, and Johnson & Johnson won’t be enough to provide immunity forever, says Stéphane Bancel. Speaking at the Forbes Health In Action Summit, the Moderna CEO says it’s likely booster shots will be needed in the near future, both to bolster waning immunity and to protect against new virus mutations. “First, immunity wanes with time meaning rollover of antibodies you have in your body from the vaccine – all natural infection goes down over time,” he says. “Two is you don’t know which virus you’re going to get infected with down the road, which variant is one of the four areas alpha, beta, gamma, delta, or even a new one that we don’t know of yet. And then it depends on your age and medical condition.”

To make future vaccine shots an easier process, Bancel says, the company is working on developing a booster shot to both reboot pre-existing antibodies as well as “provide new antibodies in your body that will bind specifically to those new mutations.” He also shared that Moderna is working on a booster for seasonal flu that operates with a 90-95% efficacy, and in the long run the company hopes to produce a shot where a single dose can vaccinate against both Covid-19 and the flu.

But while Moderna’s CEO looks at the future, the present still has a long way to go to get enough people vaccinated to reach herd immunity. Tom Polen, CEO and President of Becton, Dickinson and Company said his company received orders for over 2 billion syringes to assist with vaccine demand. “All of the syringes that we provide in the U.S., which are routinely used to deliver a variety of different vaccines and injectable therapies in hospitals, we make in the U.S. and always made in the U.S., so we work with the U.S. government to expand some of that capacity. For example, one of our manufacturing locations in Nebraska who work with the government to install new capacity that’s coming online right now just to scale that up even further to deliver vaccines,” Polen says.

Pfizer vs AZ

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“..claiming that she was “spreading disinformation and misguiding the people of India, in order to fulfill her agenda” and sought to prevent her from “causing further damage.”

India Accuses WHO Chief Scientist of Suppressing Ivermectin Data (ET)

The Indian Bar Association has taken legal action against the World Health Organization’s (WHO) Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan for her alleged role in spreading disinformation on the use of ivermectin to treat COVID-19. The association served a legal notice on Swaminathan on May 25, claiming that she was “spreading disinformation and misguiding the people of India, in order to fulfill her agenda” and sought to prevent her from “causing further damage.” They further say that Swaminathan, in her statements against the use of ivermectin, ignored research and clinical trials from two organizations – the Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care (FLCCC) Alliance and the British Ivermectin Recommendation Development (BIRD) – who have presented solid data showing ivermectin prevents and treats COVID-19.

“Dr. Soumya Swaminathan has ignored these studies/reports and has deliberately suppressed the data regarding effectiveness of the drug Ivermectin, with an intent to dissuade the people of India from using Ivermectin,” the plaintiff said in a statement. In a May 10 tweet that has since been deleted after the notice was issued, Swaminathan wrote, “Safety and efficacy are important when using any drug for a new indication. WHO recommends against the use of ivermectin for COVID-19 except within clinical trials.”

Swaminathan made the Twitter post soon after Goa’s health minister announced that every Goa resident 18 and older would be given ivermectin as prevention regardless of their COVID-19 status, as part of the state government’s effort to stop the transmission of the virus. India has been hit hard in the second wave of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus pandemic beginning in March 2021. The legal notice calls for a clear response from Swaminathan on a number of key points, and the association said that in the case of a failure to provide a clear response, it reserves the right to initiate prosecution under sections of the Indian Penal Code and Disaster Management Act, 2005.

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It’s getting hard to know who allows it and who doesn’t anymore.

Indian Health Regulator Removes Ivermectin from Its Covid-19 Protocol (NC)

India’s Directorate General of Health Services (DGHS) has executed a policy reversal that could have massive implications for the battle against covid-19, not only in India but around the world. Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of lives, are at providing stake. Providing no explanation whatsoever, the DGHS has overhauled its COVID-19 treatment guidelines and removed almost all of the repurposed medicines it had previously recommended for treating asymptomatic and mild cases. They include the antibiotic doxycycline, hydroxychloroquine zinc, ivermectin and even multivitamins. The only medicines that are still recommended for early treatment are cold medicines, antipyretics such as paracetamol and inhaled budesonide.

“No other covid-specific medication [is] required,” say the new guidelines, which also discourage practitioners from prescribing unnecessary tests such as CT scans. “Patients are advised to seek tele consultation; and Covid-19 appropriate behaviour must be observed such as mask, strict hand hygiene and physical distancing… [Patients are also advised to maintain] a healthy diet with proper hydration… [and] to stay connected [with family] and engage in positive talks through phone, video-calls, etc.”

The decision to remove ivermectin, multivitamins and zinc from the treatment guidelines is hard to comprehend given the current state of play in India — unless, of course, you assume After suffering one of the worst covid-19 outbreaks since the pandemic began, resulting in the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives, India is not just flattening the curve, it is crushing it. And the widespread use of ivermectin, a potent anti-viral and anti-inflammatory with an excellent safety profile, appears to have played an instrumental role.

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“..in the entire class of coronaviruses that includes CoV-2, the CGG-CGG combination has never been found naturally..”

Oh, Once Again Right -Rank Corruption And Lies (Denninger)

“In the case of the gain-of-function supercharge, other sequences could have been spliced into this same site. Instead of a CGG-CGG (known as double CGG) that tells the protein factory to make two arginine amino acids in a row, you’ll obtain equal lethality by splicing any one of 35 of the other two-word combinations for double arginine.” Yep. And here’s the rub – while this is a “preferred” (lowest energy) combination for human cells it is not in other animals. Biology is a thermodynamic process as is everything else in the universe. For instance, your body prefers to burn glucose rather than fats; that is, the process by which ATP is generated prefers glucose or glycogen over lipids (fat.) Why? It’s easier, metabolically. If you are out of glycogen (what glucose is stored as), and those stores are very limited, then your body will burn fats.

In addition you body will not store fat (which also requires energy) until it fills up the glycogen stores for the same reason — it is more efficient. That’s thermodynamics folks — and everything in the universe follows those laws. That which is easier is always preferred over that which is harder, or another way to put it is that all things, absent input, go from higher energy states to lower ones. We call that “entropy” and it’s part and parcel of thermodynamics which tell us that there is no such thing as a free lunch – indeed, you can’t even break even. If the insertion takes place naturally, say through recombination, then one of those 35 other sequences is far more likely to appear; CGG is rarely used in the class of coronaviruses that can recombine with CoV-2.

In fact, in the entire class of coronaviruses that includes CoV-2, the CGG-CGG combination has never been found naturally. That means the common method of viruses picking up new skills, called recombination, cannot operate here. A virus simply cannot pick up a sequence from another virus if that sequence isn’t present in any other virus. I did not know back in early 2020 that there were no other coronaviruses found naturally that had the CGG-CGG pairing. I did know that it was not the preferred coding for that amino acid in other potential candidate source or pass-through animals than humans, and it was on that basis that I put forward early in 2020 that the odds of this virus naturally jumping to humans as a result of infecting other animals was statistically non-existent since recombination in those animals with that pairing was impossible.

Oh sure, anything can happen, but the odds of it happening are basically nil. That was the basis on which I stated that I believed it was a lab leak; no other explanation was logical. But now we know that the most-common means by which viruses mutate, which occurs when one cell is infected by two or more viruses at once (called “recombination”) could not have occurred in humans at all as the viruses must be compatible to do that and all the other coronaviruses lack that sequence. Therefore it could not have happened that way; you can’t exchange for what’s not there. Could it have occurred by just wild random chance instead of recombination? Perhaps. But damned unlikely — like asteroid strike unlikely.

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A new twist: “Beyond protecting public health, the Constitution in no way recognizes a person’s right to jeopardize another’s life and health..”

From what I hear, resistance to vaccines is high here, as things go, they’ll never get above 50% vaccinated. But tourism!

Greek Leaders Take Stand On Mandatory Vaccination (K.)

Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis hinted Tuesday that the government could make vaccination against Covid-19 mandatory for healthcare professionals and nursing home carers. Speaking during a debate on a bill on the digital Covid certificate, Mitsotakis said that the government is mulling the mandatory vaccination of workers working in hospitals and clinics, as well as in elderly care units. “The government will make a decision in a sensitive manner, setting public health as a top priority,” he told lawmakers.


Earlier Tuesday, President Katerina Sakellaropoulou also weighed in on the issue of compulsory vaccination during a conversation with the premier at the Presidential Palace, saying that the Constitution does not give anyone the right to put the lives of others at risk. “Beyond protecting public health, the Constitution in no way recognizes a person’s right to jeopardize another’s life and health,” said Sakellaropoulou, previously a high-ranking judge who also served as president of the Council of State, Greece’s highest administrative court.

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Politics likes to push the responsibility onto the private sector.

Segregated Dining In NYC (DM)

Some bars and restaurants in New York City have begun segregating diners, creating separate seating areas where vaccinated customers can mingle while the unvaccinated have to remain outdoors or behind plexiglass. It came after bars were last month given the go-ahead by New York State to operate at 100% capacity and remain open until 4am. But while state law now says that vaccinated parties in bars and restaurants do not have to be socially distanced, bars must allow six feet of distancing or appropriate physical barriers for unvaccinated customers. It means that bars are under pressure to demand proof of vaccination to maximize the number of people who can fit inside.

And while the new policies might sound good in theory, they don’t make much sense from a legal, and, in some cases, a health standpoint. State laws do not require proof of vaccination at ‘indoor catered events of 250 or less’, meaning customers could just claim to be vaccinated to get better seats. And even if restaurants and bars could could enforce policies based on who is and who isn’t vaccinated, health experts say being indoors, segregated or not, presents the same risk of infection, particularly for the unvaccinated crowd. The policies seem to be taking different forms at different bars, with some reserving their indoor seating exclusively for the vaccinated in a bid to once again take full advantage of their indoor space.

Llama San in Manhattan’s West Village, for example, is asking that in order to seat its dining room close indoor capacity, diners are asked to provide proof of vaccination or a negative Covid test. ‘We believe this will help bring peace of mind to you and your guests to fully enjoy your dining experience with us,’ the restaurant says on its Resy. ‘Similarly, the entirety of our staff has been vaccinated or will provide frequent negative covid tests.’

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Daszak is everywhere.

Beijing’s Useful Idiots (Unherd)

Only now is acceptance emerging that the science establishment colluded to dismiss the lab leak hypothesis as a conspiracy theory, assisted by prominent experts with clear conflicts of interest, patsy politicians and a pathetic media that mostly failed to do its job. And yet, at the heart of this scandal lie some of the world’s most influential science journals. These should provide a forum for pulsating debate as experts explore and test theories, especially on something as contentious and fascinating as the possible origins of a global pandemic. Instead, some have played a central role in shutting down discussion and discrediting alternative views on the origins, with disastrous consequences for our understanding of events.

Many scientists have been dismayed by their actions. “It is very important to talk about the scientific journals — I think they are partially responsible for the cover-up,” said Virginie Courtier-Orgogozo, a leading French evolutionary biologist and key member of the Paris Group of scientists challenging the established view on these issues. The rejection of the lab leak hypothesis, she argues, in many places was not due to Trump’s intervention but the result of “respectable scientific journals not accepting to discuss the matter”.

The Paris Group, for instance, submitted a letter to The Lancet in early January signed by 14 experts from around the world calling for an open debate, arguing that “the natural origin is not supported by conclusive arguments and that a lab origin cannot be formally discarded”. This does not seem contentious. But it was rejected on the basis it was “not a priority for us”. When the authors queried this decision, it was reassessed and returned without peer review by editor-in-chief Richard Horton with a terse dismissal saying “we have agreed to uphold our original decision to let this go”. The authors ended up publishing their statement on a pre-print site.

Yet this is the same prestigious journal that published a now infamous statement early last year attacking “conspiracy theories suggesting that Covid-19 does not have a natural origin“. Clearly, this was designed to stifle debate. It was signed by 27 experts but later turned out to have been covertly drafted by Peter Daszak, the British scientist with extensive ties to Wuhan Institute of Virology. To make matters worse, The Lancet then set up a commission on the origins — and incredibly, picked Daszak to chair its 12-person task force, joined by five others who signed that statement dismissing ideas the virus was not a natural occurrence.

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“Biden has signaled no desire to rush into the decades-long dispute.”

China, Russia to Take Up Korea Issue Together (NW)

China and Russia have signaled a greater desire to work together on the issues plaguing the neighboring Korean Peninsula amid uncertainties that continue to surround U.S. President Joe Biden’s approach to the region. A readout published Tuesday by the Chinese Foreign Ministry detailed a conversation the previous day between Special Representative on Korean Peninsula Affairs Liu Xiaoming and Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Igor Morgulov “to exchange views on the situation on the Korean Peninsula.” “Recognizing the cooperation on the Peninsula issue as a major component of the China-Russia comprehensive strategic partnership of coordination for a new era,” the statement said, “Liu reaffirmed China’s willingness to enhance communication and coordination with Russia in a joint effort to maintain peace and stability on the Peninsula, and play constructive roles in promoting the political settlement of the Peninsula issue.”

Morgulov “stressed that the two countries’ positions are highly consistent, and the cooperation on the Peninsula issue has been fruitful,” according to the Chinese side. “He also expressed the readiness of his country to strengthen coordination and cooperation with China through bilateral and multilateral channels to move the Peninsula situation to a more positive direction.” The Russian Foreign Ministry also shared an account of the call, during which the two sides were said to have “reaffirmed their mutual disposition to deepen cooperation between Russia and China in the interests of a comprehensive settlement of the problems of this subregion on the basis of existing joint initiatives.”

The exchange comes just over two weeks after Biden hosted South Korean President Moon Jae-in at the White House for their debut summit. While both leaders have eagerly sought to reemphasize their nations’ longstanding alliance, Moon has appealed to Biden to further a now-frozen peace process launched by his predecessor, former President Donald Trump, and North Korean Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un. Nearly three years after the historic meeting between the two men, Biden inherits a U.S.-North Korea dialogue that has unraveled. Facing an array of domestic crises plaguing the economy, public health and civil society, as well as pressing foreign policy issues involving China, Russia and Iran, Biden has signaled no desire to rush into the decades-long dispute.

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Deep state.

Blinken Says 100s of Sanctions Will Remain on Iran Despite Talks (Antiwar)

On Tuesday, Secretary of State Antony Blinken said even if the US rejoins the Iran nuclear deal, known as the JCPOA, “hundreds” of sanctions would still remain on Iran, including Trump-era measures. “I would anticipate that, even in the event of a return to compliance with the JCPOA, hundreds of sanctions remain in place, including sanctions imposed by the Trump administration,” Blinken told a Senate hearing. Blinken’s remarks are just his latest bad faith comment about the indirect negotiations between the US and Iran that have been ongoing since April. Because the Biden administration refuses to lift all Trump-era sanctions, the talks are being dragged out.

Blinken and other Biden officials justify their refusal to lift all of Trump’s sanctions by claiming they will only lift measures that are “consistent” with the economic relief Iran expects from the JCPOA. “If they are not inconsistent with the JCPOA, they will remain unless and until Iran’s behavior changes,” Blinken said. The Trump administration imposed an enormous number of sanctions on Iran. Some were implemented over Tehran’s nuclear program, while others were put in place over claims of “terrorism” and alleged human rights violations. From the start of negotiations, the Biden administration has been clear that it is not going to lift all human rights and terror sanctions.

One terror-related measure the Biden administration is reportedly unwilling to lift is the designation of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) as a “foreign terrorist organization.” But the IRGC designation is a sweeping measure, as it subjects current and former members of the military organization to US sanctions. Keeping the IRGC designation would likely not be acceptable to Tehran, especially after the June presidential elections, when Iranian President Hassan Rouhani is expected to be replaced by a more hardline candidate.

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“The DOJ is said to be after a host of materials that would have been used during the pitching process to publishers – including various contracts and documents.”

Federal Prosecutors Subpoena Material From Andrew Cuomo’s Book (DM)

The U.S. Department of Justice has subpoenaed material connected to a memoir written by the Democratic governor of New York Andrew Cuomo, as part of an investigation into a possible cover-up of COVID deaths in the state’s nursing homes. Prosecutors in the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of New York are said to have requested communications associated with Cuomo’s book, American Crisis: Leadership Lessons from the COVID-19 Pandemic. The DOJ is said to be after a host of materials that would have been used during the pitching process to publishers – including various contracts and documents. The subpoenas have been issued as prosecutors continue to probe the the details of the nursing home debacle which was discussed in the memoir.

The governor’s office has been under multiple investigations as to a possible cover-up of the true number of deaths in nursing homes that could be attributed to COVID-19. State officials who helped with the editing of early versions of Cuomo’s book were among the individuals who received subpoenas for materials, The Wall Street Journal reported. It’s thought prosecutors might be interested in book-related materials because they will have captured a real-time snapshot of Cuomo’s work surrounding nursing homes. ‘If reflections memorialized in records and notes are inconsistent with what he was saying publicly or with disclosures to health or government officials, that is potentially problematic,’ said Michael Weinstein, a former federal prosecutor to the Journal.

Republican lawmakers have accused Cuomo’s administration of intentionally manipulating and obscuring the COVID fatality data. The data saw the intentional undercounting of thousands of deaths, in New York’s assisted-living facilities in an attempt to shield the governor from political criticism. Federal prosecutors began a criminal investigation into the governor’s alleged mismanagement of the state’s nursing homes during the pandemic in February. One month earlier, a report from New York Attorney General Letitia James’s office suggested that nursing home deaths were potentially undercounted by as much as half.

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A start?!

US State Sues To Have Google Declared A Public Utility (Y!)

The state of Ohio on Tuesday filed an unprecedented lawsuit calling on a local court to declare Google as much a public utility as an electric company. Google should be designated a public utility subject to government regulation regarding its search engine and other services, Ohio attorney general Dave Yost contended in the legal filing. Public utilities supply essential goods or services such as water or power, and are often effectively monopolies. “When you own the railroad or the electric company or the cellphone tower, you have to treat everyone the same and give everybody access,” Yost said in a release announcing the suit. Yost accused Google of favoring its own products, websites, and services in search results, putting competitors at a disadvantage. Google said the lawsuit had no basis in fact and that it will defend itself in court.


“AG Yost’s lawsuit would make Google Search results worse and make it harder for small businesses to connect directly with customers,” a company spokesman said in reply to an AFP inquiry. “Ohioans simply don’t want the government to run Google like a gas or electric company.” Ohio late last year was among some three dozen US states that filed a federal lawsuit accusing Google of abusing its market dominance. That case is still pending. France’s competition regulator fined Google 220 million euros ($267 million) on Monday for favoring its own services for placing online ads at the expense of rivals, as US tech giants face growing pressure in Europe and the United States. The penalty is part of a settlement reached after three media groups – News Corp, French daily Le Figaro and Belgium’s Groupe Rossel — accused Google in 2019 of abusing a dominant market position over ad sales for their websites and apps.

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  • #76990
    Formerly T-Bear
    Participant

    @ John Day #76971 “…(so what’s next?)”

    Really depends on what level of conflict which will be acceptable. A phrase “… prized from my cold dead fingers” sums up the how and when those in power will give it up. Already the country has the looks of a very large open air prison, those border walls work either direction and the guards are ubiquitous. The only economic vocabulary available comes from the MBA Econ. 101 school, designed not to provide workable models reflecting economic processes. Those economic models derived from historic precedent have all been discredited, dismembered or destroyed as to leave few living with a working memory teaching in academia (or anywhere else). Economic history is not taught for good reason, but all historic memory has been and is now under revisionist assault and without an accurate memory of the past, no chart is available to navigate the treacherous economic shoals surrounding us. The destruction of labour and the middle educated classes should rise warning of trending direction being taken.

    It will depend entirely upon people’s willingness to accommodate whatever level of force, even violence to protect their own interests. But before that they must determine what those interests are; ‘Know thyself’. Then the economic history from about the end of the New Deal until present day must be established in sound economic terms; only this way will knowing the adversary become realised where something might be done about realistically confronting the erstwhile adversary, not some nebulous ‘elite’. As no vocabulary now exists, one must be created, based upon sound, fundamental principles that accurately model economic processes. Without this step, nothing more than hot breath will pass and nothing accomplished. A new world must be gestated and brought to life, nothing else will do.

    An alternative is to allow the concentration of wealth and power to continue until there are no other reesources for their feeding remaining other than themselves and the ensuing feeding frenzy. It will still be important to have on hand a viable knowledge of economic processes from which to rebuild an economic edifice. The place to start might be the statement: The study of economics is the study of mankind’s ecology and the superstructures built upon it.

    #76991
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Roboto is right of course. I’m trying to be snappy, but of course I mean “Flu vaccines”, “Those particular vaccines” don’t work. But they’re slap-leather to give them anyway, with a 10% effective rate, and thereby imply — although different — that perhaps the Covid vaccine is therefore similar. Pretty sure it is, will be, or far worse.

    Still…even if it’s a (non) “bioweapon” in order to force the Global Warming Green Horse down our resistant throats, salvage their control of the economy, force neo-feudalism, the panic + the vaccine still doesn’t fit right. It’s disturbing.

    #76993
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Dr D: “the panic + the vaccine still doesn’t fit right. It’s disturbing.” Agree 100%. The difference between reality and what is happening is rattling me. There has been a wholesale global capture of nearly every governmental decision from the very start of this. I can’t figure it. That’s the unsettling part … just what IS this? Averting collapse? (oil, etc, etc) Maybe, but even that doesn’t fit quite right. A highly coordinated psyop to accomplish …. what exactly???

    #76994
    zerosum
    Participant

    ” …. doesn’t fit right. It’s disturbing.”
    The part that I don’t understand, “Why bother “pulling the wool over our eyes”.
    “We” are irrelevant. “We” cannot change/affect the future/decisions.

    #76995
    Bill7
    Participant

    ​> As of the May 18-23 survey, 60% of U.S. adults report they have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, 4% have been partially vaccinated, 12% plan to be vaccinated and 24% do not plan to be vaccinated. <

    So many reasons *not* having to do with vaccine efficacy and Public Health for those who rule us to make that latter group as small as possible.

    s/ B7; Control Group Member, always.

    #76996
    Bill7
    Participant

    Adding: I don’t buy the numbers from that solid-as-can-be Gallup poll- guessing that over half the populace
    will not accept “the jab”, except under extreme, non-Da Covid-caused duress.

    All Narrative, all the time

    #76997
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Doc Robinson: yes, parents are vaccinating their kids due to fear, but I’m tired of giving adults an easy out on this. They need to grow TF up. Mother hiking with 6 year daughter happens across a bear … of course she’s scared, but does she start running knowing her daughter can’t keep up so the bear will get her kid and she’ll be safe? Idk, maybe she does, in which case I guess we’re looking at Darwin’s law. Parent is a stupid, fearful idiot, child dies. (apologies for the rant, getting pissed and have lost the “kindness and understanding” I’m supposed to show others, because now we’re messing with our kids. there is no excuse.)

    #76998
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Bill7: I don’t buy any numbers from any source anymore.

    #76999
    Bill7
    Participant

    > There has been a wholesale global capture of nearly every governmental decision from the very start of this. I can’t figure it.. <

    I can: maybe what we the hoi polloi think of as our elected gov’ts don’t have much to do with it, except as fig-leaf implementers of decisions made elsewhere.. this thing was long-planned.

    “Incompetence!”, some say; that -without fail!- benefits the Very Few

    ah jus caint figger

    #77000
    Bill7
    Participant

    > Bill7: I don’t buy any numbers from any source anymore. <

    Same here, upstate: I fully trust *only* what I can verify myself, these days.

    “cunspiracy theoriss!”

    ok.

    #77001
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Bill7, can’t disagree with anything you said in “ah jus caint figger” comment. But … to what end? Depopulation? Seriously? Doing it on this scale would be evil incarnate. I’m having trouble wrapping my head around that. Maybe I ridiculously trusting and naive.

    #77002
    Bill7
    Participant

    There is a recent column by Mike Whitney over at Unz- something NoVaxx something- that might be of interest to some; mainly for the comments, I think, as Mr Whitney consistently presents curiously un-solid, but plausible, arguments.

    #77003
    Bill7
    Participant

    > But … to what end? Depopulation? Seriously? <

    You seem plenty intelligent, and I’m just a West Coast surf-prole.

    #77004
    Mr. House
    Participant

    @upstateNYer

    Its just business brah, they’ll save the planet and lower the cost of living for those who survive. They aren’t stupid enough to try and tell people that is the case. Just like Nazi’s told certain people it was only a shower.

    #77005
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Bill and House: I’m going to go have a glass of wine now.

    #77006
    Bill7
    Participant

    … (not wine, though).

    What mr. house said: “It’s just Business, Rafterman..”

    #77007
    Bill7
    Participant

    fleshing that out

    YMMV, of course.

    #77008
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Workplace requirements will increase the social pressure on the unvaccinated and make them pariahs.

    “When California reopens next week, fully vaccinated colleagues working in a room together will be allowed to work maskless. But if one person is unvaccinated, everyone in the room will need to wear a mask.

    (From the NYT article posted earlier in the comments.)

    #77009
    Bill7
    Participant

    “When California reopens next week, fully vaccinated colleagues working in a room together will be allowed to work maskless. But if one person is unvaccinated, everyone in the room will need to wear a mask.“

    Thanks for that quote. There will be some real advantages for the unvaccinated, I think, though
    going against the [elite-manufactured, in this case] current is seldom easy.

    #77010
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Meanwhile, to encourage employers to require vaccination for workers, OSHA tells employers to go ahead and break the law, it won’t be enforced for at least a year.

    Are adverse reactions to the COVID-19 vaccine recordable on the OSHA recordkeeping log?

    Answer
    The Department of Labor and OSHA, as well as other federal agencies, are working diligently to encourage COVID-19 vaccinations. OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination, or disincentivizing employers’ vaccination efforts. As a result, OSHA will not enforce 29 CFR 1904’s recording requirements to require any employers to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination through May 2022. We will reevaluate the agency’s position at that time to determine the best course of action moving forward.

    https://www.osha.gov/quicktakes/06012021

    #77011
    Bill7
    Participant

    One of the most pertinent questions, as I see it: will the Few be able to kill off or effectively silence
    a critical mass of dissenters against their carefully designed, neo-feudal dystopia; one that no truly sane person would be willing to live in?

    “vax-update for the neo-quintuple-myootant Strain this early afternoon, Joe..”

    “no problem, Overlord: I’m there before you even tell me!”

    pass on all that, I’ll go with Nature.

    #77012
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    The big push to vaccinate as many people as possible, and all their children, is looking like a frantic race against time, before the adverse reactions and unexpected health issues reach such levels that they cannot be papered over or denied.

    #77013
    Bill7
    Participant

    > The big push to vaccinate as many people as possible, and all their children, is looking like a frantic race against time, before the adverse reactions and unexpected health issues reach such levels that they cannot be papered over or denied.

    #77014
    Bill7
    Participant

    who will watch the watchers

    #77019
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Doc R: “When California reopens next week, fully vaccinated colleagues working in a room together will be allowed to work maskless. But if one person is unvaccinated, everyone in the room will need to wear a mask.“

    Ha ha ha ha ha … I’d be the one unvaxxed person in the group, smirking behind my mask the entire time. Piss off co-workers? Why not. I remember reading an article years ago about Jeff Foxworthy (redneck comedian) and how he was “laughing all the way to the bank.” Yeah, kinda like that. You go, Jeff.

    Bill: “One of the most pertinent questions, as I see it: will the Few be able to kill off or effectively silence
    a critical mass of dissenters against their carefully designed, neo-feudal dystopia …”

    I’ll continue to place my bet on “no”, the Few won’t silence dissenters. I refuse to believe it. Go check out Oracle’s videos of UK protests. Impressive. The US is much larger and diverse (diff states, diff covaxx rules) so it’s kind of like firing up multiple engines and propelling a really big ship before we’ll see that kind of reaction, but if the idiots keep pushing that reaction will occur. At least, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

    #77020
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Bill, my bet for second place finish in this BS is balkanization, in which case I’m living in the wrong state. I wonder, though, if lots of people move to FL will the weight of them sink large portions of the land mass into the ocean? Btw, I enjoy your comments. They’re usually a bit “out there”, suits my brain.

    #77021
    Bill7
    Participant

    > I’ll continue to place my bet on “no”, the Few won’t silence dissenters. <

    “critical mass of..”

    #77022
    Bill7
    Participant

    The Few shifing most interaction onto their darpaNet was a good move for them: minimal transparency,
    and maximum surveillance/quick counter-action to whatever the Many might decide was best for their very large group..

    so cool

    #77023
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    I believe there’s a “critical mass of” dissenters. Let’s go back to discussing “trusting the numbers”. How many are vaccinated? How do we trust that number? How many surveyed unvaxxed are likely to get vaxxed in the future? How do we trust that number? I’m just saying, ya gotta have faith. Ages ago I remember reading something along the lines of faith being a belief in something even when there is no real reason to do so. I’m coming down on the side of faith. It’s one of my favorite words. That and the word grace, another favorite. My favorite-est word ever, though, is conundrum. 😉

    #77024
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    I listened to an interview with a gun rights activist a few weeks ago. Intelligent guy, an attorney who passed the bar. He said something that stuck with me. Paraphrasing: “we’ve got to stop calling politicians our leaders. They aren’t our leaders. They’re our representatives that we voted in. They work for us.”

    Change the language. Shift consciousness. Alter trajectory. Change outcome. Just saying …

    #77026
    zerosum
    Participant

    I don’t care what the numbers happen to be “quoted” that claim to give herd immunity
    Vaccine immunity will not prevent getting the covid
    Herd immunity will prevent getting the covid.
    Vitamin D, zinc, and ivermectin will minimize the negative effects of covid, just like the vaccine.

    #77027
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    A master plan for sure. They are hurrying because they want the checkmate before it is impossible to ignore the vaccinated dropping

    #77028
    Bill7
    Participant

    Novak Djokovic beats Italy’s Matteo Berrettini in a French Open quarter-final >>stopped to ensure fans could leave before a 11pm curfew<< in Paris.

    Da Covid simply *goes wild* after 11pm, dontcha know..

    How anyone can take Da Covid bit at face value, I cannot imagine. Downscale Perestroika for the proles; vast, newfound wealth for the Very Few.

    Ah jus’ caint figger

    #77029
    Bill7
    Participant

    March 2020:

    Gilets Jaunes getting big-time traction in FR
    Sanders getting the same in US “Democ**t” Primaries
    Big-Baddie “Populism” rising quickly most everywhere else in EU

    And Voila! Da Covid appears

    so confyoozing..

    😉

    #77032
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    @ Formerly T-Bear
    @ John Day #76971 “…(so what’s next?)”

    Really depends on what level of conflict which will be acceptable. A phrase “… prized from my cold dead fingers” sums up the how and when those in power will give it up.

    Sums up our present position nicely…
    Generally excellent comment…thanks…

    #77034
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    This year as well as last really has me missing the eighties so very much.

    #77035
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    If the vaccine really is designed to do something dastardly, it is probably more likely to be rendering people infertile rather than trying to make them drop dead. Of course, they have to try to give it to everybody fullstop to get all the potential child-bearers because they can’t very well say, “We want to give this only to people young enough to have kids now or in the future because…well…reasons”. Though it goes without saying that anything that has such a drastic effect on human physiology will likely produce something of a body-count through “collateral damage”.

    #77046
    Formerly T-Bear
    Participant

    @ V. Arnold #77032

    Appreciate the feedback. Contrary to current popular conceptions, public administration of democracies and republics require the same state of mind as the administrations of monarchies or any other autacracy. If this is not accomplished, whatever the form of governance will fail, it is built into the specie’s political genome. Machiavelli discusses this in his “Discourses on Livy” and tangentially in “The Prince”. The capacity to make rational, non-emotional decisions is a species survival trait. To dismiss that trait as a pathological aberration is a serious error, instead it must be understood and used advantageously.

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