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Willem de Kooning Woman 1969



We’ve been talking a lot lately at the Automatic Earth about programs to vaccinate children. It’s one more thing that people appear to blindly accept as necessary and beneficial to our societies. While the only consideration really should be how beneficial it is to the children themselves. Most people here, at least, seem to agree on that. But that’s just here.

The US, Germany, Canada, and soon France and Spain all have plans, some already have been rolled out, to carpet bomb the virus by going after their children, and there is no doubt many more countries will follow their example.

Since we know there is no medical reason to do so, we must ask what the ethical and legal aspects tell us. And I can’t find those. How and why can you justify injecting people against something that is no threat to them, with a substance that potentially is a much worse threat?

I dug up a graph again that I posted in April, which spells out the Covid risk for all age groups, including children:



If your chance of survival is 99.99996%, there is no risk. And you don’t need to be inoculated. That would -at best- be equivalent to keeping your kids home 24/7 because you are afraid of what might happen in traffic, or in social life with other kids, or some bogeyman. The risk is never zero, but close enough that we do not act on it, and call it common sense.

The arguments that are usually used are that 1) kids must be jabbed to protect others around them, and 2) that the vaccines have been tested and proven safe. Obviously, 1) is very curious, and never been used before, and 2) is simply a lie: vaccines need years of testing for side effects, not months, and certainly not weeks, as is now the case for the effects on children.

The “testing” is simply that if not too many people drop dead after 5 minutes, well, then it must be safe, as institutions like the European Medicines Agency solemnly declare. Completely ignoring potential long term effects, something that seems essential in mRNA “vaccines” because of their potential effects on fertility etc. We just don’t know, but we should before applying the substances. There’s a reason none of the vaccines have been approved.

As for that alleged safety, this is from the European version of the American VAERS system:



1,5 million adverse reactions, and those are just the ones that have been reported. Now, I don’t know how many people in Europe have been inoculated, but I bet you this is not a 99.99996% success story. The numbers of deaths are not, either.

So I was happy to see some actual common sense reported in a Dutch paper today (Google translated), where the Health Council in the Netherlands injects at least some nuance into the debate. For kids with underlying conditions, like severe obesity or lung- and heart problems, some protection might make sense. I still wouldn’t go with mRNA vaccines, I would use ivermectin instead, but I get the reasoning somewhat.

Health Council: Vaccinate Children From 12 Years Old With Medical Risk Against Corona

The Health Council advises the cabinet to vaccinate children from the age of 12 with a medical risk against the corona virus. Vaccinating all children in that age group, as is done in Germany, France and the US, for example, is not yet on the agenda. An opinion on this will follow in a few weeks. The current advice concerns children aged 12 to 17 who are annually invited for the flu shot and children with severe obesity. According to the Health Council, vaccination of these children provides significant health benefits, because they run a high risk of a serious course of Covid-19. According to chairman Bart-Jan Kullberg, that risk is twice as high as in healthy children.

The corona pandemic also indirectly has a major impact on children at medical risk. To avoid the risk of contamination, for example, they do not go to school or social activities. The Health Council also takes this ‘social-emotional impact’ into account. The council cannot estimate the number of children involved. “It concerns, for example, children with a heart or lung disease. There are also many small groups with a rare condition. General practitioners and paediatricians have a good picture of these groups,” says Kullberg.

An advice on vaccinating healthy children will only follow in a few weeks. The vast majority of children do not or hardly get sick after a corona infection. So far, almost 280,000 children in the Netherlands are known to have been infected. Usually they had only mild symptoms, such as a cold and cough. In the age group 0-12 years, 379 children were hospitalized. In the 13-17 age group, there have been 101 since September. A total of three children have died; all three had an underlying condition. Last month, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) gave the green light for the use of the Pfizer vaccine in children from 12 years of age. More and more countries are also vaccinating all healthy children over the age of 12 to slow down the spread of the coronavirus.

Vaccinating children from the age of 12 against the coronavirus can make a significant contribution to curbing the pandemic, OMT chairman Jaap van Dissel already suggested last weekend. According to him, it reduces the reproductive value (R) of the virus in winter by as much as this. about 15 percent. “That can be important to keep the spread low during that period as well.” In Germany, for example, teenagers will be vaccinated from next Monday, in France from mid-June and in Spain from mid-August. The US and Canada have been at it for weeks.

Vaccinating healthy children, who themselves hardly run the risk of becoming seriously ill after a corona infection, requires a ‘broader medical, epidemiological, ethical and legal consideration’, according to the Health Council. “It also depends on the phase of the pandemic,” Kullberg said. Because the number of infections is currently falling sharply and more than a million adults are now vaccinated every week, there is no reason to make that decision hastily, he says.

Now, mind you, that is the same country that admitted depriving children of their freedom, their development, and normal lives, in order to manipulate their parents. Talk about ethics. As I said a few days ago, “Holland closed schools not to protect children, but to make parents stay home. Think about how crazy that is.”

The Netherlands Used Children As A Weapon In The Fight Against Corona

Due to the Dutch corona policy to close schools and thus keep parents at home, children have been used as a means to fight the epidemic. Our cabinet receives that hard slap on the fingers today in the annual worldwide children’s rights report, the KidsRights Index. According to the makers, the Netherlands has set a very bad example internationally, by not even trying to keep schools open safely. With all the consequences that entails for the mental health of our youth. The corona guidelines from the UN Committee on the Rights of the Child have also been neglected. Youth has not been given any priority in Dutch policy, it sounds.

Statements by corona minister Hugo de Jonge, dated mid-December 2020, are presented as proof. Then De Jonge indeed mentioned on television as the reason why the cabinet decided to close the schools, that parents with children sitting at home will therefore start working from home more quickly. When parents take their children to school, that is another moment of contact, De Jonge explained at the time. “And we also learned from the first wave, when the schools were also closed, that the fact that primary education does not provide physical education also ensures that parents adhere better to another advice, namely: work from home as much as possible. ”, said the minister at the time.

“Children’s rights have been put in second place by the cabinet during corona time,” Marc Dullaert, founder of the international children’s rights organization KidsRights, now told this site. “They were the ankle bracelet for parents. These had to be kept at home in order to effectively fight the epidemic. At the expense of their mental health.” In the first phase, when everyone was looking for the right approach, this was understandable according to Dullaert. ,,But De Jonge’s statements came at a time when it was really no longer acceptable, in the second phase. And other countries – such as Belgium and Sweden – have done everything they can to keep the schools open, so there were alternatives on the table.”

Staying on topic, I liked this from the Conservative Woman site in Britain, with perhaps the best argument against child vaccination: “The sooner most of us are exposed to it, ideally in childhood, the sooner it will cease to be a major problem..”

Why Subject Our Children To The Risk Of Death From Vaccination?

All non-corrupted scientific commentators have known from the very start that this pandemic only ends one way: SARS-CoV-2 is going to become an endemic virus. It will always be with us. The sooner most of us are exposed to it, ideally in childhood, the sooner it will cease to be a major problem. High-risk individuals can choose to take a vaccine. Ivermectin and vitamin D can be used to prevent infection and treat confirmed cases. As we have seen, the argument that children must take vaccines so that we can achieve herd immunity is utterly false. Only those completely ignorant of virology and immunology would even attempt to make it. That brings us back to the original argument for vaccinating children against Covid: to protect them from the severe disease.

If this is the only reason to vaccinate children, there is only one calculation that parents should make: Is the risk from Covid greater than the risk from the vaccine? The present Covid vaccines being administered in the West are based on experimental technologies that are being used under emergency use authorisations (EUAs). Full safety studies will not be completed until 2023. The Covid vaccines were all created in the last year and we have no medium-term or long-term data on them. We don’t know if they will have an effect on children’s reproductive organs and fertility. We don’t know if they will produce auto-immune diseases. And we don’t know if they will lead to ADE (antibody-dependent enhancement) upon re-exposure to the virus (causing more severe illness).

We do know that the vaccines produce a range of cardiovascular and neurological events including strokes, myocarditis, pericarditis and paralysis in a significant number of people. In the small US state of Connecticut at least 18 children and young adults have come down with myocarditis, an extremely serious and sometimes fatal condition involving inflammation of the heart muscle (and they’ve only just started vaccinating children there). The Israel Ministry of Health has reported that the incidence of myocarditis for vaccine recipients is between 1 in 3,000 and 1 in 6,000 in young men.

In Canada (population 38 million) only 11 children have died from Covid since the start of the pandemic. In the UK (pop 68 million) 32 children have died. It is nearly certain that all of them had one or more severe comorbidities. The fact is, most children brush off Covid without even knowing they’ve had it. For all intents and purposes, Covid poses zero risk to healthy children.

And Michael Curzon:

Child Vaccination: Who’s Selfish Now?

A number of school leaders have swung into action following the approval of the vaccination of children against Covid (a disease which almost all children aren’t at risk from) using the Pfizer vaccine (trials of which only included 1,134 children). It wasn’t very long ago that the establishment line was: if you don’t get a Covid vaccine, you are selfish. Even the Queen (disappointingly) joined in with this line [..]. But now, adult advisers to the Government suggest that children should be vaccinated not to protect children but to protect…themselves. Professor Anthony Harnden, the Deputy Chairman of the Government’s Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation, says:

‘I think the vast majority of benefit won’t be to children, it will be an indirect benefit to adults in terms of preventing transmission and protecting adults who haven’t been immunised, for whatever reason haven’t responded to the vaccine and therefore that presents quite a lot of ethical dilemmas as to whether you should vaccinate children to protect adults.’ He notes that children themselves are ‘in the main’ not at risk from Covid. Over half of the adult population has been fully vaccinated (with seventy-five per cent having received at least one dose of a vaccine) and Covid deaths, while still exaggerated, have flattened. There is no reason to vaccinate most children and, given the potential side effects, many not to do so. If the Government bottles it on the vaccination of children, it is they who are being selfish.

The reactions to the virus are many times more dangerous than the virus itself. Because the reactions have been amplified by fear. Time to shake it off. But for that to happen, we need politics and media to change, because they’re doing the amplifying. Problem is, fear sells.




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    Willem de Kooning Woman 1969     We’ve been talking a lot lately at the Automatic Earth about programs to vaccinate children. It’s one more
    [See the full post at: The Ethics of Child Vaccinations]


    I was listening to a podcast with a well know doctor who is flat out against the ‘vaccines’ for all but the most at risk.

    When asked about why go after the 12-15 age group for untested mRNA ‘therapy’, they said that’s the puberty age range, it will do the most damage to their endocrine system, hence lower fertility and thus future population growth thus lower resource drain on the ecosystem

    Mission accomplished


    As to why the insurance companies are not adjusting rates to reflect Covid risks, the insurance companies are expendable and so are their employees. The upper management of insurance companies have golden parachutes regardless of whether the company or its business model goes belly up, they are ‘made men’.

    The insurance Racket have their marching orders from the top.

    Like the Student Loan Racket, designed to enrich the college administrative class, not the teaching staff, the government will assume all liability for the insurance racket.

    The Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Racket redeux.


    I remember when Trump was just starting to run in 2016 and he couldn’t believe the positive press coverage he got and how no matter the faux pas he made, he came up smelling like roses.

    “They say I have the most loyal people — did you ever see that? Where I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters.” he said. “It’s like incredible.”

    Well, Fascist Fauci could say the same thing now and absolutely nothing would happen to him regardless of his ‘vaccine’ policy.


    He could literally give the finger to the audience on camera, and nothing will happen to him.

    As they say on the school playground, you and whose army are going to make him stop?

    Certainly not the courts, they are peeing themselves in fright.


    Injecting children with covid vaccines is child abuse, clear and simple. We are injecting them with a substance that has:
    – a solid track record of failure in previous research with animals
    – no long-term study of side effects and very shoddy mid- to short-term studies of side effects
    – a growing number of studies showing how and why it is harming people (diffusing throughout body; spike proteins cause damage)
    – a [now] clear record of causing adverse events, which sometimes are serious or disabling
    – a [now] clear record of causing death

    Not sure how anyone with a thinking brain or even half a heart could even consider doing this to our children.

    Polder Dweller

    That’s the puberty age range, it will do the most damage to their endocrine system, hence lower fertility and thus future population growth thus lower resource drain on the ecosystem.

    That’s my take, too, Oroboros, as I wrote on TAE the other day, but I’m no doctor so it’s good to see a quote from one.

    On Dutch TV this evening, they were talking about vulnerable kids from the age of 12 now being eligible for a vaccine. They interviewed one girl with cystic fibrosis and another with a heart problem and they were all for it, but I was left thinking that the way the vaccine works, they might well wind up dead – a very depressing thought.


    Solzhenitsin had our number . We lack the courage to defend ourselves against evil.



    Solzhenitsin had our number . We lack the courage to defend ourselves against evil.

    The only courage that is lauded today is the courage to risk money for a greater return.

    I recently read Fate of Empires by Glubb. He writes

    (The) spirit of dedication was slowly eroded in the Age of Commerce by the action of money. People make money for themselves, not for their country. Thus periods of affluence gradually dissolved the spirit of service, which had caused the rise of the imperial races.
    In due course, selfishness permeated the community, the coherence of which was weakened until disintegration was threatened. Then, as we have seen, came the period of pessimism with the accompanying spirit of frivolity and sensual indulgence, byproducts of despair.

    Written in 1978 it perfectly describes our country today. As I see things fall apart it gives me a strange sense of peace to think “Well, it’s late stage empire. It’s just the way things go. Empires are born, grow old and die. Nothing to do but let it collapse.”


    If the majority of so-called smarty pants dwellers in Western ‘civilized’ nation won’t defend their own children,

    I’d say game over.

    Might as well drive them down to the train station for their free trip to ‘summer’ camp.

    ‘Summer Reorientation Camp’

    ‘Summer Work Camp’

    Arbeit macht frei

    Work will set you free



    The Children of Men

    Heard an interview years ago with P D James

    She had never written a Sci-Fi novel.

    Asked why she wrote Children of Men she said that she wanted to know how humans would treat children if they knew there was never going to be anymore of them.


    > Solzhenitsin had our number . We lack the courage to defend ourselves against evil. <

    “We” is inapposite I think: those who rule us have made what you metioned a long-term project
    since the 80s, if not earlier; see J.T. Gatto and C. Lasch for particulars, or even Senator™ Moynihan..

    Don’t blame the people for their Rulers’ project’s effectiveness, as they’d so like you to do.


    From the return of the Princess Cruise possibly infected passengers in a plastic screened isolation section on an airplane that has continuous air re-circulation, no PPE, and the transmission of the virus from the air base into the community; it is clear that the US government’s response to coronavirus pandemic has been a giant SNAFU. Still is. The Biden/Harris Administration has not made one bit of difference.

    Today, it is literally everyone for themselves. The experts due to hubris, group-think and money are solely depending on for-profit mRNA “vaccines” to control coronavirus in Europe, South Asia, and the Americas. Unpatentable treatments are deep-sixed. Public health (masking and social distancing) measures were ended by the CDC.

    As part of the fear messaging, PR white coats say that the coronavirus is endemic, everyone will be exposed. Get jabbed. Kids too. However, if the mRNA silver bullet fails, there is no Plan B if a variant spike breaks out this winter. There are no universal cheap accurate tests. 50 State contact tracking and isolation of the infected is inadequate. There is no way to know if the breakout coronavirus infections in the vaccinated will infect the unvaccinated. Or, if those with waning immunity who were injected first at the beginning of 2021, will also be infected. There is no attempt to tell who has immunity from a previous coronavirus infection and doesn’t need a gene therapy jab this year. No assuring that meat packing plants and nursing homes are safe to occupy. No arrests for manslaughter.

    The only way to explain this is the dismantling of democracy, the end of the rule of law, and the triumph of greed.

    V. Arnold

    The Ethics of Child Vaccinations

    An oxymoron if ever I heard one: at least in the context of today’s gross medical malfeasance…
    A far cry from my experience with the polio vaccine from Dr. Salk way back in the 50’s…I knew children in Iron Lungs, as they were called at the time…

    V. Arnold

    @ Vietnam Vet
    The only way to explain this is the dismantling of democracy, the end of the rule of law, and the triumph of greed.

    Nailed it!


    As to why the insurance companies are not adjusting rates to reflect Covid risks, the insurance companies are expendable and so are their employees. The upper management of insurance companies have golden parachutes regardless of whether the company or its business model goes belly up, they are ‘made men’.

    Nah, I’m not onboard with that. Historically, insurance companies have been very savvy at accurately modelling risks, perhaps because the ongoing existence of their entire business (and many of the longest running have been in business over a century) depends on them not getting it totally wrong.

    I recall a thread on TAE in the early days of Covid discussing remarks from a senior actuary at one of the big insurance companies who immediately pooh-poohed the Imperial College model, as his company had invested many millions trying unsuccessfully to model pandemics, and had admitted failure.. pandemics being simply too complex to accurately model (or more likely, small changes to variables make a large difference to model outputs and therefore the model’s predictive value was small).
    More likely in my mind – there’s no excess death from Covid, therefore there’s no need to alter premiums (much).
    Wait some time until the outcomes of Covid vaccination make themselves statistically felt, and you can guarantee life insurance premiums will alter in the same way they did for smokers, heavy drinkers, etc.


    From an article in a leading NZ daily today: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125386042/nzs-covidfree-status-relies-on-trust-in-the-vaccine.

    “The Pfizer vaccine, being used in New Zealand, has already been administered to millions around the world with no more serious side effects than the flu vaccine. It has been tracked and monitored in more detail than any vaccine in history.”

    I wish I had the time and money to public challenge idiocy like that. The VAERS DB linked by Ilargi a few days back shows the annual flu vaccine death rate in the US to average around 200/year, but over 4000 deaths have been registered from Covid vaccinations already this year. Europe is similar.

    Pfizer has been gifted relative headline anonymity because the other mRNA vaccines have had worse rates than Pfizer’s, but the death rate from the Pfizer vaccine certainly exceeds historical flu vaccination rates.


    And lastly a couple of good links from Lockdownsceptics.org.uk a couple of days back:

    1. https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/06/08/covid-19-virus-has-a-genetic-feature-never-found-in-nature-that-lab-scientists-use-to-track-engineered-viruses/
    The Covid genome has a sequence at the all-imprtant furin cleavage site which does not occur in nature, and is commonly inserted as a genetic marker. Which seems to imply an engineered virus, but one engineered for research rather than biowarfare purposes (why advertise synthetic origin in a bioweapon when alternate sequences would work as effectively without advertising synthetic origin?)

    2. https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/06/08/the-kitsch-covid-aesthetic/
    Interesting psychology suggestion on why the “covid-together” tribe’s is inpenetrable to logic, stats or argument.

    Mister Roboto

    Interesting psychology suggestion on why the “covid-together” tribe’s is inpenetrable to logic, stats or argument.

    And the sad thing is, a lot of these people are the same ones who proclaimed themselves “the reality-based community” starting with the 2004 election.

    Dr. D

    While, true, it’s really a practical consideration. As I’ve said before, it’s a universal social drift: if any person accepts ANY responsibility, for ANY thing, EVER, the surrounding immoral body happily and abundantly dumps ALL responsibility (and therefore work) onto them. This childish behavior expands because should anyone A) be accurate B) take due responsibility or C) do any work, they are immediately set upon like hyenas by everyone around them, and more are called in from the neighboring town. So therefore they too become hyenas as each is according TO any allegation, and FROM any that show the slightest ability.

    So anyone hoping to survive at all must A) deny all responsibility and lie, corrupting the accurate assessment of things and no longer attributing truth and blame, and B) can only gather to themselves selfishly, because the slightest hint that they would share brings the infinite hyenas again, willing to say, do, or accuse and attribute anything to get a scrap. As we see today. Most people would work and be left alone. They can’t. The End.

    There are many layers, and yes, this is a civic thing, wither that sense of “us” is family, region, or nation, but it has nothing to do with money, or even selfishness, really. It’s strictly practical. However, adopting the “practical”, in the immediate sense, leads to the decay of all things, everywhere, over time.

    But what would you do? The slightest variation would have any good man be exhausted and picked clean 70 years before the tide turns. The society itself as a whole must see it, have enough of it, and turn from it, but that is essentially a religious act. Faith that if you do good, your brother will too, or that it is worth the slings and arrows unto death to do the right thing.

    This is essentially the whole pivot of successful cultures vs unsuccessful, i.e. poor, violent, and desperate ones. You can put it in economic or political terms, but it’s something more.

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