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Paul Gauguin The Vision after the Sermon (Jacob wrestling with the Angel) 1888

 

The Vaccine Causes The Virus To Be More Dangerous – Malone (WR)
USA Today Scrubs Passage Suggesting Vaccinated May Spread More Virus (Becker)
California COVID Cases Rising In Most Heavily Vaccinated Counties (ZH)
Ruin Them (Denninger)
Pfizer Suggests Third Dose Of Vaccine ‘Strongly’ Boosts Protection (CNN)
Latest Data Show Efficacy Of Pfizer Vaccine Falls To 84% After 6 Months (ZH)
New US Mask Guidance Prompted By Evidence Vaccinated Can Spread Delta (G.)
CDC Head Says New Mask Guidance Could Help Tame Delta Outbreak In ‘Weeks’ (F.)
Gottlieb: US Will Be Through Delta Wave In 2 Or 3 Weeks (Hill)
US Reports More Than 100,000 New Coronavirus Cases (BNO)
Dr. Pierre Kory’s Medical Lecture for Physicians and Citizens of Malaysia (O.)
Omaha Doctor Sees Tremendous Success with Ivermectin as Early Treatment (TSN)
The Noble Lies of COVID-19 (Slate)
The Vaccine Aristocrats (Taibbi)
NIH Dumped Millions Into Chinese Entities To Study Infectious Diseases (DC)
Will Washington Stop China From Buying Up Farmland? (JTN)
Assange Attorney Accuses Ecuador Of Foul Play (RT)

 

 

A tour of more mainstream news today. If only because it makes clear we’re wasting so much time talking about whatever the narrative is, but what has already been well debunked. We need our focus. If you need three shots of something, it’s not a vaccine. Doesn’t even matter if in the end it works. Which in this case it doesn’t. We’re getting dragged back into conversations we should have long left behind.

 

 

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Fleming Delta

 

 

 

 

Weinstein Long term plan

 

 

 

 

 

 

Take these 10 minutes. Yes, it’s Bannon, but at least he lets Malone speak.

The Vaccine Causes The Virus To Be More Dangerous – Malone (WR)

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It’s out.

USA Today Scrubs Passage Suggesting Vaccinated May Spread More Virus (Becker)

“NBC News, citing unnamed officials aware of the decision, reported it comes after new data suggests vaccinated individuals could have higher levels of virus and infect others amid the surge of cases driven by the delta variant of the coronavirus,” the USA Today reported in a passage that was later scrubbed from an article. A screenshot from the article and an online archive of the passage points out the surfacing evidence.The story from the USA Today drops the reference to NBC News, but nonetheless corroborates the news: “CDC says vaccinated people may transmit virus, recommends masks indoors.”


“CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said new data shows the delta variant, which accounts for more than 80% of the new infections in the U.S., behaves ‘uniquely differently’ from its predecessors and could make vaccinated people infectious,” the article notes. “Information on the delta variant from several states and other countries indicates that in rare occasions some vaccinated people infected with the delta variant after vaccination may be contagious and spread the virus to others,” Walensky said in announcing new guidance, which reverses a CDC recommendation in May. “This new science is worrisome and unfortunately warrants an update to our recommendation.”

NBC News reported on the CDC guidance reversal on Monday. “The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended Tuesday that fully vaccinated people begin wearing masks indoors again in places with high Covid-19 transmission rates,” NBC News reported. “The agency is also recommending kids wear masks in schools this fall.” “Federal health officials still believe fully vaccinated individuals represent a very small amount of transmission,” the report continued. “Still, some vaccinated people could be carrying higher levels of the virus than previously understood and potentially transmit it to others.”

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It’s fun to see them all bend themselves into pretzels to “explain” how they were not wrong when they were.

California COVID Cases Rising In Most Heavily Vaccinated Counties (ZH)

Some might have been surprised to see California on Dr. Anthony Fauci’s map of high-risk areas where the new federal indoor mask mandates must be obeyed. The Golden State was deemed more high risk than Texas. Indeed, scientists are finding that despite its high vaccination rates, California is seeing more COVID cases than it should. California and its big coastal cities have embraced vaccines in their effort to beat back the COVID pandemic. But a Bay Area News Group analysis shows that not only are cases rising fast, they are rising in areas where there are more fully vaccinated people. Some of these counties have both among the highest vaccination rates, and the highest new-case rates.

Notice that five of these counties have both a higher percentage of their eligible residents fully vaccinated and a higher average daily case rate than the statewide average. They include: LA, San Diego, Alameda, Contra Costa and San Francisco. The five counties with falling case rates are Modoc, Glenn, Lassen, Del Norte, San Benito, and they, coincidentally, have below-average vaccination rates. As to what might be causing this, experts point to two things: the extraordinary ease with which the virus’ now-dominant delta strain spreads, and the fact that no vaccine offers complete protection.


“I am not so surprised that transmission rates are not neatly tracking immunization rates,” said Dr. Stephen Luby, a medical professor specializing in infectious diseases at Stanford University. “There are a number of issues that contribute to transmission,” Luby said. “In high density urban settings, for example, even with a higher level of vaccine coverage, there can still be a lot of exposure to unvaccinated folks and potentially to folks who are vaccinated but are asymptomatically shedding the delta variant.” Reports of the vaccines’ effectiveness against the delta variant have been mixed. In Israel, the Ministry of Health suspects the protection afforded by the Pfizer jab might be as low as 64%.

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“Unfortunately the so-called “public health” authorities have destroyed — not just damaged, but destroyed — their own credibility.”

Ruin Them (Denninger)

If you go into the hospital for any reason they test you. Why? Because if you’re positive they want their magic $13,000 Biden Money (formerly Trump money) if you’re on Medicare and Medicaid for treating a “Covid case.” Biden is still continuing this bull**** no matter why you’re there. Chest pain? Covid! Oh, never mind the heart attack. So are the “hospitalized” actually hospitalized for Covid or is Tennessee counting anyone in the hospital who tested positive irrespective of the reason for their admission? This particular game has been run since March of 2020 and nobody has put a stop to it because they’re making money from it — lots of money. Never mind that these jabs are not behaving like a vaccine. US Code: “The term “vaccine” means any substance designed to be administered to a human being for the prevention of 1 or more diseases.”

The data is that these jabs do not prevent disease. They also do not prevent transmission of disease. In fact they appear to, if you get a breakthrough case, make transmission more likely in that the Ct data from these miners shows equal or lower values on balance in the vaccinated cohort with one sample at Ct22! Reminder: The lower the Ct the more virus you have in your body. Now granted this is a small group — very small. But it is extremely concerning that the lowest Ct recorded among these cases was a fully-vaccinated person. Where is the data from the state labs and CDC on these “breakthroughs” and their Ct numbers generally? It’s not being reported. I bet you can guess why not without needing more than one guess.

This appears to be confirmed as something that does indeed happen by the reported “super-spreading” person who (1) was fully-vaccinated, (2) infected more than 60 other people and (3) most of those whom he gave it to were also vaccinated. He obviously was an extremely-efficient emitter of virus! The only remaining argument for the jabs is that they make a personal severe outcome less likely. Here the data is somewhat more-reassuring but the adverse effect profile of the shots is not reassuring at all, it is being deliberately glossed over, and as a result the question as to whether or not to take them is a deeply personal decision that must be informed by your personal medical status coupled with intentional deception on those advocating for the jabs.

How in the hell do you make an informed decision under those circumstances? Unfortunately the so-called “public health” authorities have destroyed — not just damaged, but destroyed — their own credibility. Tennessee’s Department of Health proved themselves liars with nothing more than public data. So have others. I have multiple reported sets of data from individual practices where the percentage of unvaccinated people presenting with Covid-19 symptoms is lower than the percentage of unvaccinated people in the population of that specific area. In other words the data is that the jabs not only do not prevent you from getting the virus at all but in fact may ENHANCE the risk of infection and this, incidentally, voids the argument that the jabs are a vaccine from a LEGAL standpoint.

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As soon as you talk about a third -or even a second- dose, you’re no longer talking about a vaccine.

Pfizer Suggests Third Dose Of Vaccine ‘Strongly’ Boosts Protection (CNN)

A third dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine can “strongly” boost protection against the Delta variant — beyond the protection afforded by the standard two doses, new data released by Pfizer on Wednesday suggests. The data posted online suggest that levels of antibodies that can target the Delta variant grow fivefold in people 18 to 55 who get a third dose of the vaccine.Among people ages 65 to 85, the Pfizer data suggest that antibody levels that should protect against Delta grow 11-fold more than following a second dose.The data, which involved tests of 23 people, have not yet been peer-reviewed or published. It’s not clear if boosted antibody levels actually correlate to better protection, or if that extra protection is even needed.

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says the current vaccines protect people well against all the common variants. During a company earnings call on Wednesday morning, Dr. Mikael Dolsten, who leads worldwide research, development and medical for Pfizer, called the new data on a third dose of vaccine “encouraging.” “Receiving a third dose more than six months after vaccination, when protection may be beginning to wane, was estimated to potentially boost the neutralizing antibody titers in participants in this study to up to 100 times higher post-dose three compared to pre-dose three,” Dolsten said in prepared remarks. “These preliminary data are very encouraging as Delta continues to spread.” The data also show that antibody levels are much higher against the original coronavirus variant and the Beta variant, first identified in South Africa, after a third dose.


Separately, Pfizer and its partner BioNtech released new safety and efficacy data for their coronavirus vaccine Wednesday, and said it shows protection holds up for at least six months, although it may start to wane slightly towards the end of that time. The pre-print paper, posted Wednesday to the online server medrxiv.org, updates results from Pfizer’s trial involving 44,000 volunteers around the world. It found the overall efficacy was about 91% during the six months. Vaccine efficacy against severe Covid-19 was about 97%, the data show. The paper has not yet been peer-reviewed nor published in a journal.

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Again, not a vaccine. And do remember RRR vs ARR numbers.

Latest Data Show Efficacy Of Pfizer Vaccine Falls To 84% After 6 Months (ZH)

As pressure builds for the FDA to simply ‘get on with it’ and issue full approval of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna jabs, it looks like the people responsible for deciding whether vaccines are safe and effective are finally coming around to the reality that those vaccines aren’t as effective against the delta strain as they had once hoped. Despite months of insisting that the opposite was true, the FDA has found that the efficacy of the jabs has fallen to 84% over six months, according to new data released Wednesday. Conveniently, STAT News, which broke the story about the data, reported that the lower efficacy would likely bolster Pfizer’s case for approval of a third dose.

Per the data, which has been released to outside scientists, the ongoing study, which enrolled more than 44K volunteers, found that the vaccine’s efficacy appeared to decline by an average of 6% every two months after administration. Efficacy peaked at more than 96% within two months of vaccination and slipped to 84% after six months. The overall efficacy against severe disease was a still considerable 97% (though that’s still not 100%). Unsurprisingly, STAT lined up a few talking heads to plug the numbers. Paul Offit, a pediatrician and vaccine expert at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, told STAT that the results were “very reassuring.” The potential need for booster shots is tied to the number of fully vaccinated people who develop severe disease, Offit said.


That number is just 3% lower after six months, suggesting two doses of Pfizer’s vaccine offers adequate protection. Earlier, Pfizer boosted its fiscal year revenue forecast for its vaccine business. Perhaps these data offer some insight into that decision. Of course, there’s reason to believe that number might be even lower than the 97%. Israel’s Ministry of Health recently found that the Pfizer vaccine is only 39% effective at combating delta, down from 64% according to earlier Israeli data intended to measure the efficacy against the delta variant. Pfizer is already shipping jabs to Israel, which is preparing to start doling out booster shots to residents deemed vulnerable to COVID. For whatever reason, the data released Wednesday doesn’t directly address the delta variant.

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Aka the vaccines don’t work. A spade, a spade.

New US Mask Guidance Prompted By Evidence Vaccinated Can Spread Delta (G.)

The CDC revised its mask guidance on Tuesday to recommend fully vaccinated Americans wear masks in “public indoor settings” with “substantial and high transmission”, a shift from its earlier guidance issued on 13 May, which said vaccinated individuals did not need to wear masks in most indoor settings. The move came as Joe Biden said requiring all federal workers to get a coronavirus vaccine is “under consideration” as the Delta variant surges in the US. Some local and state leaders, including New York’s mayor, Bill de Blasio, and the California governor, Gavin Newsom, have already announced such mandates for their government employees.

Walensky also spoke on Wednesday about the threat of Covid-19 to children. “If you look at the mortality rate of Covid, just this past year for children, it’s more than twice the mortality rate that we see in influenza in a given year,” she said. On Tuesday the CDC changed its advice and now recommends that fully vaccinated people living with vulnerable household members, such as those who are immunocompromised and children, wear masks in indoor public spaces. In addition, the agency recommended everyone in K-12 schools wear masks, “including teachers, staff, students and visitors, regardless of vaccination status”, Walensky said in a press briefing on Tuesday.

“In recent days I have seen new scientific data from recent outbreak investigations showing that the Delta variant behaves uniquely differently from past strains of the virus that cause Covid-19,” Walensky said on Tuesday, referring to scientists’ discovery of the Delta strain shedding as actively in breakthrough infections as it does in unvaccinated individuals, despite the rarity of breakthrough cases. For months Covid cases, deaths and hospitalizations were falling steadily, but the highly infectious Delta variant of the coronavirus has fueled steep rises in case numbers, particularly among unvaccinated Americans and amid struggles with disinformation and resistance, particularly on the political right.

“Nobody wants to go backward but you have to deal with the facts on the ground, and the facts on the ground are that it’s a pretty scary time and there are a lot of vulnerable people,” Robert Wachter, chairman of the department of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco, told the Washington Post. “I think the biggest thing we got wrong was not anticipating that 30% of the country would choose not to be vaccinated.”

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Unfortunately, there are still plenty Americans who believe this nonsense.

CDC Head Says New Mask Guidance Could Help Tame Delta Outbreak In ‘Weeks’ (F.)

Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told CBS on Wednesday she believes the new mask guidance from her agency along with a rise in vaccinations could halt the current escalation of Covid-19 cases in the U.S. in “a couple of weeks,” though some critics are already expressing doubt that the CDC’s recommendations will be followed in the worst-hit places. Walensky appeared on CBS This Morning a day after her agency announced it was reversing course and recommending that all people wear masks—regardless of vaccination status—in parts of the country with “high” or “substantial” rates of transmission of coronavirus.


She touted the new guidance during her Wednesday interview as a crucial measure that follows new information about so-called breakthrough infections and has the potential to help with quickly mitigating the country’s current virus surge. “If we get people vaccinated who are not yet vaccinated, if we mask in the interim, we can halt this in just a couple of weeks,” said the CDC head. Walensky also said she hopes more stringent mask-wearing guidelines and other measures won’t be necessary in the coming weeks, but her agency “will follow the science.” “We can halt the chain of transmission,” Walensky said. “We can do something if we unify together.”

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What a coincidence. Also in weeks.

Note: Gottlieb is a Pfizer board member. But Delta waning will have nothing to do with their products.

Remember: “India, where Delta Variant began? Deaths down 92% since its May peak, cases down 91% since then, too. One of the lowest vaccination rates in the world, btw.”

Gottlieb: US Will Be Through Delta Wave In 2 Or 3 Weeks (Hill)

Former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb predicted early Wednesday that the United States could get through the worst of the delta variant surge of the coronavirus in a few weeks. “The bottom line is, the vaccine does not make you impervious to infection,” Gottlieb said during an appearance on CNBC. “There are some people who are developing mild and asymptomatic infections even after vaccination.” After acknowledging the delta variant of the coronavirus as “much more transmissible” than the first strain, Gottlieb questioned whether that fact should “translate into general guidance” on mask wearing and vaccine requirements in the United States.

“I don’t think that’s the case,” he said. “I don’t think we’re going to get enough bang for our buck by telling vaccinated people they have to wear masks at all times to make it worth our while. I think we’re further into this delta wave than we’re picking up. I think in another two or three weeks we’ll be through this.” Gottlieb added that the new guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) could have a “negligible impact” on public health and that federal officials should instead focus on more targeted messaging on guidance for high-risk areas. The CDC announced new guidance Tuesday recommending that vaccinated Americans wear masks while in crowded indoor environments in certain areas of the country where the delta variant has caused a major increase in cases.


The delta variant is now accounting for the majority of new cases in the United States, almost entirely among the unvaccinated. President Biden’s administration is facing increased pressure to get more people vaccinated and require federal workers, teachers and people who work in health care industries to be vaccinated as a condition of their employment. “If you are vaccinated in a high-prevalence area, in contact with virus, you think you might have the virus because you have mild symptoms of it, be prudent, get tested, maybe wear a mask especially if you are around a vulnerable person,” Gottlieb said on CNBC. “That should be bottom-line guidance we give.”

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On Tuesday. Be gone in weeks. And then they’ll praise the “vaccines” again. Damned if you do, doomed if you don’t.

US Reports More Than 100,000 New Coronavirus Cases (BNO)

More than 100,000 new coronavirus cases have been reported in the U.S. amid a rapid surge in hospital admissions and new calls from federal officials to wear a mask in public. Data from health departments across the U.S. showed that 106,084 new cases were reported, including a two-day backlog from Florida which occurs every Tuesday. It represents an increase of 73% from last week. The states reporting the most new cases are: Florida (38,321 for a three-day period), Texas (8,642), California (7,731), Louisiana (6,818), Georgia (3,587), Utah (2,882), Alabama (2,667), and Missouri (2,414). The rolling 7-day average for daily cases is 62,411, up from 12,648 a month ago.


The surge is accompanied by a rapid rise in hospital admissions, particularly in Florida, which reported the biggest one-day increase on record. Nearly 40,000 coronavirus patients are currently hospitalized across the U.S., well below the peak in January but an increase of nearly 11% in one day. Earlier on Tuesday, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky urged all Americans to wear a mask in public in high-risk areas. She said the new advice was based on evidence which shows that the Delta variant can spread among vaccinated people, even though the vast majority of people who become seriously ill are unvaccinated.

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He never gets tired.

Dr. Pierre Kory’s Medical Lecture for Physicians and Citizens of Malaysia (O.)

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Article’s a little incoherent, bu the idea is clear.

Omaha Doctor Sees Tremendous Success with Ivermectin as Early Treatment (TSN)

Physicians from around the United States continue to emerge, going public with their declaration of the benefits of ivermectin as an early onset, mild-to-moderate stage COVID-19 treatment. Most recently on KETV 7 Omaha, Dr. Louis Safranek came forth, declaring, “I typically use it in combination with other agents. But I do prescribe it for virtually all the patients who come to be, as part of a treatment regimen, which I think is effective for folks.” The Harvard Medical School graduate has been specializing in infectious diseases for four decades. Having treated nearly 200 COVID-19 patients at home and in the local hospitals here in Omaha, Nebraska, ivermectin is a key medicine tool in the medicine box targeting COVID-19.

TrialSite can assure that the National Institute of Health (NIH) formal policy in fighting the pandemic is to have a comprehensive mix of 1) safe and effective vaccines, 2) branded therapeutics, 3) generic repurposed therapeutics, and 4) sound and locationally relevant public health policy. Of course, industry bias has reared its ugly head in this pandemic as the NIH and the federal government have spent many billions on vaccines and novel investigational therapies while investing probably less than 5% of the portfolio investment in generic repurposed drugs—the NIH happens to be testing ivermectin now as part of the ACTIV-6 program.

In fact, Dr. Safranek shared that not one COVID-19 patient that he has treated with ivermectin and other regimens have ended up on a ventilator or dead. He reports out of about 200 patients, only one ended up hospitalized, making this a very high success. Here in the Midwest plains, Doctor Safranek had an 80-year old Omaha woman who survived two bouts of COVID-19, the second via a breakthrough infection. That is, she got infected even after being fully vaccinated. When she came to the doctor and he treated her with the anti-parasite, FDA-approved drug, she informed, “I was better the next day, not well but better.” She continued that while on the ivermectin regimen, “Each day, I got better, and now I am over it.”

Of course, the University of Nebraska Medical Center, Omaha, isn’t about to administer its COVID-19 patients with ivermectin. Their position: “Further studies needed to be done to show Ivermectin has utility in the treatment of COVID-19,” reports UNMC Medical Director of Infectious Disease Dr. Mark Rupp. Of course, Dr. Rupp will administer remdesivir to hospitalized patients, even though the drug has some concerning safety signals and the World Health Organization (WHO), on no uncertain terms, declared the drug wasn’t effective based on the results of the Solitary study. UNMC also makes monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) available for the care of COVID-19 patients, and these have shown some promise but they are highly investigational.

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Nothing noble about them. Don’t try to make them that, Slate.

The Noble Lies of COVID-19 (Slate)

The fourth noble lie from government agencies and/or officials occurred more recently. On June 4, using data from February to March, the agency made the case that hospitalizations were rising in adolescents. It tweeted, “The report shows the importance of #COVID19 vaccination for adolescents.” That tweet spurred a great deal of media attention and concern. It was true that hospitalization rates had risen. However, at the time of the press coverage, hospitalization rates in this age group had already fallen again. Numerous commenters immediately pointed out that the “rise” in hospitalization statistic promoted by the CDC was out of date the moment it was highlighted and raised questions about why the CDC would promote a dated statistic, when the organization had access to up-to-date information.

This obvious error was compounded weeks later during a meeting of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. The committee met to discuss what we knew and did not know about heart inflammation, or myocarditis, that had been linked to mRNA vaccination, and most notable in young men who received the vaccine. During the course of the meeting, representatives of the CDC showed a model that claimed that vaccination of young adults was preferable to the disease itself. There were, however, several concerns with this model. First, it used rates of community SARS-CoV-2 spread that again were out of date. By the time of the meeting, the rates were lower, meaning the benefits of vaccination would be reduced, but the harms remain the same.

Second, it did not consider the risks separately for boys and girls, who appear to have substantially different risk of myocarditis (much higher in boys). Third, it did not consider any middle ground positions, such as only receiving one dose of the vaccine, which provides much of the benefit with far lower myocarditis risk. Instead, the CDC presented zero or two doses as the only options. Fourth, the modeling did not consider natural immunity—i.e., the vaccine’s risk to kids who already recovered from COVID-19 might be the same, but the benefits far lower (as these children have some natural immunity). Finally, the model did not consider the fact that young adults with preexisting medical conditions and those who are otherwise well might have different risk benefit profiles, as the former account for a disproportionate number of COVID-19 hospitalizations.

Together, these are all information choices made by government agencies and/or officials about vaccination of young adults. Amplifying out-of-date statistics and building a model to support vaccination that has questionable assumptions work to support rapid deployment of two doses of mRNA to all healthy kids aged 12 to 17. That may be the CDC’s policy pursuit, and one we are sympathetic to. However, distorting evidence to achieve this result is a form of a noble lie. Accurately reporting current risks to adolescents, and exploring other dosing possibilities, is part of the unbiased scientific exploration of data.

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I like Taibbi, but why does he have to vent an opinion about other people’s lives and choices? Does he simply not understand what he says?

I’m vaccinated. I think people should be vaccinated

The Vaccine Aristocrats (Taibbi)

On This Week With George Stephanopoulos this past Sunday, a bafflegab of Washington poo-bahs including Chris Christie, Rahm Emmanuel, Margaret Hoover, and Donna Brazile — Stephanopoulos calls the segment his “Powerhouse Roundtable,” which to my ear sounds like a Denny’s breakfast sampler, but I guess he couldn’t name it Four Hated Windbags — discussed vaccine holdouts. The former George W. Bush and Giuliani aide Hoover said it was time to stop playing nice. If you’re going to get government-provided health care, if you’re getting VA treatment, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, anything — and Social Security obviously isn’t health care — you should be getting the vaccine. Okay? Because we are going to have to take care of you on the back end. Brazile nodded sagely, but Emmanuel all but gushed cartoon hearts.

“You know, I’m having an out of body experience, because I agree with you,” said Obama’s former hatchet man, before adding, over the chyron, FRUSTRATION MOUNTS WITH UNVACCINATED AMERICANS: I would close the space in. Meaning if you want to participate in X or Y activity, you gotta show you’re vaccinated. So it becomes a reward-punishment type system, and you make your own calculation. This bipartisan love-in took place a few days after David Frum, famed Bush speechwriter and creator of the “Axis of Evil” slogan, wrote a column in The Atlantic entitled “Vaccinated America Has Had Enough.” In it, Frum wondered: Does Biden’s America have a breaking point? Biden’s America produces 70 percent of the country’s wealth — and then sees that wealth transferred to support Trump’s America. Which is fine; that’s what citizens of one nation do for one another… [But] the reciprocal part of the bargain is not being upheld…


Will Blue America ever decide it’s had enough of being put medically at risk by people and places whose bills it pays? Check yourself. Have you? I’m vaccinated. I think people should be vaccinated But this latest moral mania — and make no mistake about it, the “pandemic of the unvaccinated” PR campaign is the latest in a ceaseless series of such manias, dating back to late 2016 — lays bare everything that’s abhorrent and nonsensical in modern American politics, beginning with the no-longer-disguised aristocratic mien of the Washington consensus. If you want to convince people to get a vaccine, pretty much the worst way to go about it is a massive blame campaign, delivered by sneering bluenoses who have a richly deserved credibility problem with large chunks of the population, and now insist they’re owed financially besides.

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US banned gain of function, Fauci and Daszak exported it to China. Not a complicated story.

NIH Dumped Millions Into Chinese Entities To Study Infectious Diseases (DC)

The National Institutes of Health has doled out nearly $46 million in taxpayer funds to 100 Chinese institutions in the form of subgrants since the 2012 fiscal year to conduct research into infectious diseases, drug addiction, mental health and other scientific fields, according to a Daily Caller News Foundation analysis of federal spending data. The NIH’s ongoing funding of Chinese research institutions comes amid growing bipartisan concern in Washington D.C. over the fact that U.S. taxpayers support research in a country that has violated international health regulations, stonewalled a proper investigation into the origins of COVID-19 and that may be in violation of the Biological Weapons Convention.

The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, the NIH subagency led by Dr. Anthony Fauci, provided $6.6 million in taxpayer-funded subgrants to 27 of the Chinese entities, including the Wuhan Institute of Virology, to conduct research into allergies and infectious diseases, subgrant data pulled from USASpending.gov shows. One of the NIAID-funded subgrants, which involved the transfer of $428,000 to a Chinese government-owned institution in 2020 to conduct research into emerging mosquito and tick-based infections, states unequivocally that the U.S. will only receive the research, funded in part by U.S. taxpayers, upon approval by Chinese government authorities.


“Following testing for common pathogens, and then, after approval by the relevant authorities of the Chinese government, a subset of samples will be sent to Washington University in St. Louis for further analysis,” the subgrant description to the Chinese National Institute for Viral Disease Control and Prevention reads.[..] Another NIAID-funded project provided $600,000 in subgrants to the Wuhan Institute of Virology prior to the COVID-19 pandemic to conduct research that involved the genetic modification of bat-based coronaviruses.

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China 1/3, Bill Gates 1/3, Monsanto 1/3. American farmers: 0.

Will Washington Stop China From Buying Up Farmland? (JTN)

China’s effort to unseat America as the world’s economic superpower has a new tactic: It has bought up more than 200,000 acres of U.S. farmland. And while there is bipartisan support for legislation to slow down Beijing’s acquisitions, Democrats have added a new wrinkle. Rep. Dan Newhouse (R-Wash.), who is leading the legislative charge, says congressional Democrats have removed all references to the communist government of China in an amendment to an agricultural spending bill that originally prevented the Chinese Communist Party’s purchase of American farmland. “[O]ver the last decade, we’ve seen a huge increase in the acquisition of these kinds of assets — farming in particular — by the People’s Republic of China,” he said. “And that, to me, is just a direction that, while we can, we should do all we can to stop.”

With China purchasing the United States’ agricultural assets and becoming more ingrained in the U.S. economy, America might eventually “become dependent on Communist China for our agricultural production,” Newhouse warned. “We don’t want that to happen. We want to stop that in its tracks.” Only six states have agricultural restrictions on China, Newhouse said, “so this is something that I think is desperately needed in our country to prevent China, Communist China, from taking over our agricultural industry.” Newhouse added that the House Committee on Appropriations adopted the amendment through a unanimous voice vote, which is rare for two reasons: being unanimous and passing an amendment from the minority party.


“I think that that tells us that there’s concern across the board [over] the direction that people see China taking,” he said, adding that neither political party wants to see China taking over America’s critical assets, like it has with other countries. Democrats want to include North Korea, Iran, and Russia in addition to China in the amendment, Newhouse said. But North Korea has no money to buy farmland in the U.S., and the other countries haven’t purchased any land in recent years, unlike China.

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Apparently, revoking his citizenship is not final yet.

Assange Attorney Accuses Ecuador Of Foul Play (RT)

Ecuador has revoked Julian Assange’s citizenship, citing alleged inconsistencies with his naturalization documents. A lawyer for the imprisoned publisher claims the decision was made without due process. The WikiLeaks co-founder was informed that his citizenship had been nullified in a letter issued by Ecuador’s justice system, following a complaint issued by the South American nation’s Foreign Ministry. Ecuadorian officials claimed that Assange’s application for naturalization contained numerous inconsistencies, including different signatures, as well as possibly forged documents. Assange also failed to pay fees connected with his citizenship in the country, authorities alleged. Carlos Poveda, Assange’s lawyer, responded to the decision by accusing the Ecuadorian government of turning its back on due process.

The Australian was unable to contest the claims made against him because he is currently being “deprived of his liberty” and suffering from a “health crisis” while locked away at London’s maximum-security Belmarsh Prison, Poveda told AP. The lawyer complained a week earlier that it was “impossible” for his client to properly defend himself under the circumstances, and expressed hope that the case would not be “judged by ‘public opinion’” alone. Poveda said he will petition the government to clarify its decision on the matter. “More than the importance of nationality, it is a matter of respecting rights and following due process in withdrawing nationality,” he said.


Ecuador’s Foreign Ministry insisted that it had “acted independently and followed due process,” claiming that similar concerns about Assange’s citizenship had been raised by the previous government. Assange was granted Ecuadorian citizenship in January 2018, as part of an attempt by then-President Lenin Moreno to help the journalist safely leave the country’s embassy in London, where he had been seeking asylum since June 2012.

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  • #81350
    zerosum
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    @ madamski cafone
    You sent me on a search …. the best that I found

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_seals
    The Seven Seals of God (from the Bible’s Book of Revelation) are the seven symbolic seals (Greek: σφραγῖδα, sphragida) that secure the book or scroll that John of Patmos saw in an apocalyptic vision. The opening of the seals of the document occurs in Rev Ch 5–8 and marks the Second Coming of the Christ and the beginning of The Apocalypse/Revelation. Upon the “Lamb”/”Lion” opening a seal on the cover of the book/scroll, a judgment is released or an apocalyptic event occurs. The opening of the first four Seals releases the Four Horsemen, each with his own specific mission.[6:1-8] The opening of the fifth Seal releases the cries of martyrs for the “Word/Wrath of God”.[6:9-11] The sixth Seal prompts earthquakes and other cataclysmic events.[1][6:12-17] The seventh Seal cues seven angelic trumpeters who in turn cue the seven bowl judgments and more cataclysmic events.

    Did we change?
    Did the wisdom of the ancients prevent the end of social/economic structures?

    #81351
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “In the short run, it’s probably a powerful financial/economic leveraging tool by China, but that’s nothing new. We’ve been selling ourselves to China for half a century. But soil, farmland… you have to invade and occupy a place to own its farmland. Financial markers will move about in the economic arm-wrestle between China/USA, but whatever “ownership” China has of USA topsoil will be fleeting.”

    Speculating: Invasion: alot easier if you release something that targets those who are vaccinated and you don’t have to deal with…………….

    #81352
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Re: Taibbi’s recent article and what Raul/Dr. D said about it:

    Although Gibson doesn’t exactly strike me as a MAGA guy in real life, it is interesting to note that in the story, the “real” Earth timeline is one in which it’s implied that Hillary Clinton won the 2016 election (neither “Clinton” or “Trump” are mentioned by name anywhere in the book). However, it’s also the timeline in which a global thermonuclear war erupted around the Syrian conflict.”

    That is from this guy, who writes for a presumably highly intelligent crowd.

    One simply has to acknowledge the Orange Man Bad ducal signet or be branded Orange.

    #81353
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    the ‘real’ Earth timeline is one in which it’s implied that Hillary Clinton won the 2016 election (neither ‘Clinton’ or ‘Trump’ are mentioned by name anywhere in the book). However, it’s also the timeline in which a global thermonuclear war erupted around the Syrian conflict.

    So I helped change the timeline in such a way that we actually didn’t all end up being glowing-in-the-dark corpses? {/high-fives self}

    #81354
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    P.S. Last I knew, Gibson was hiding behind TDS like most famous rich people. Brilliant writer, brilliant thinker, total renegade. But you gotta love this quote: “If someone claiming to be from the future had shown me Boris Johnson I’d have told him to fuck off.”

    By now, I suspect Gibson’s realized we’re not living under a conservative fascism a la Trump but, rather, a superficially, nominally liberal fascism under which lies something richer and stranger, with a Jack-in-the-Box sock puppet the so-called lesser evil making it increasingly hard not to wish you at least had a wildman like Donald fucking things up than a bought’n’sold Depends spokesperson fucking things down, down, down…

    #81355
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    From the website MG just linked to:

    In one of the early stubs, it is Trump who won the 2016 election, and although no nuclear conflagration occurred then, a series of rolling catastrophes remembered by history as The Jackpot, ensued. The Jackpot resulted in massive depopulation, the destruction of democracy globally, and a system of interlocking fiefdoms run by a new governance structure openly acknowledged to be a kleptocracy.

    Hmmm, now what could this “Jackpot” be? I’ll just have to think long and hard on that one, I will! 😉

    #81356
    Bill7
    Participant

    The voice of […] speaks:

    Ezra Klein
    What if the Unvaccinated Can’t Be Persuaded?
    July 29, 2021

    Ezra Klein

    By Ezra Klein

    Opinion Columnist

    “I hate that I believe the sentence I’m about to write. It undermines much of what I spend my life trying to do. But there is nothing more overrated in politics — and perhaps in life — than the power of persuasion.

    It is nearly impossible to convince people of what they don’t want to believe. Decades of work in psychology attest to this truth, as does most everything in our politics and most of our everyday experience. Think of your own conversations with your family or your colleagues. How often have you really persuaded someone to abandon a strongly held belief or preference? Persuasion is by no means impossible or unimportant, but on electric topics, it is a marginal phenomenon.

    Which brings me to the difficult choice we face on coronavirus vaccinations. The conventional wisdom is that there is some argument, yet unmade and perhaps undiscovered, that will change the minds of the roughly 30 percent of American adults who haven’t gotten at least one dose. There probably isn’t. The unvaccinated often hold their views strongly, and many are making considered, cost-benefit calculations given how they weigh the risks of the virus, and the information sources they trust to inform them of those risks. For all the exhortations to respect their concerns, there is a deep condescension in believing that we’re smart enough to discover or invent some appeal they haven’t yet heard.

    [Get more Ezra Klein by listening to his Opinion podcast, “The Ezra Klein Show.”]

    If policymakers want to change their minds, they have to change their calculations by raising the costs of remaining unvaccinated, the benefits of getting vaccinated, or both. If they can’t do that, or won’t, the vaccination effort will most likely remain stuck — at least until a variant wreaks sufficient carnage to change the calculus.

    You can see the weakness of persuasion in the eerie stability of vaccination preferences. The Kaiser Family Foundation has been surveying Americans about their vaccination intentions since December. At that time, 15 percent said they would “definitely” refuse to get vaccinated, 9 percent said they would get a shot only “if required,” and 39 percent wanted to “wait and see.”

    Six months later, Kaiser asked the same question. By then, most of the wait-and-see crowd had seen enough to get vaccinated. The only-if-required crew shrank, but only by a bit: 6 percent of Americans were still waiting on a mandate. But the definitely-notters had barely budged: They numbered 15 percent in December and 14 percent in June.

    I don’t want to overstate my case. There was movement between groups. Some people who said they would definitely refuse a vaccine in December had gotten one by June. About a quarter of those who intended to watch and wait decided firmly against getting vaccinated. But the surprise in Kaiser’s data is the consistency of people’s views. In December, 73 percent of American adults said they were eager to get vaccinated or were at least open to the possibility. Today, 69 percent of Americans over the age of 18 have gotten at least one shot. “Most vaccine behaviors match what people planned to do six months ago,” Kaiser concluded.

    With Delta supercharging transmission among the unvaccinated, the debate now is how to persuade them to get a shot (or two). I’m sympathetic to most of the ideas people have offered. The F.D.A. should give the vaccines full approval, not just emergency authorization, as the agency’s absurd process has created mass confusion and fed mistrust. We should respect people’s concerns and their intelligence. We should admit that the medical system has failed many of us before, and treated Black Americans with particular callousness. We should be honest that many are making a risk calculation for themselves, rather than indulging a conspiracy theory. We should support leading Republicans who are trying to ease the barriers of partisan identity. If Sarah Huckabee Sanders wants to call it “the Trump vaccine” and sell shots as a way of sticking it to the media and the Democrats and Anthony Fauci, I wish her the best.

    We should also, of course, do everything we can to make vaccination frictionless. It’s easy to get a shot in a big city, but many people still live far from medical providers and cut off from the internet. Others lack transportation, or have jobs that make it hard to take a day off to recover from the fluish side effects, or have physical or mental impairments that make treatment difficult.

    But I suspect all of this will change a depressingly modest number of minds. There are no speeches more powerful than the fear of disease and the grief of loss. That’s evident in the vaccination data now. Delta does appear to be driving a surge in vaccinations. But is this really our strategy? More death will lead to more shots in arms? One of the most heartbreaking stories I’ve read lately came from a Facebook post by Brytney Cobia, a doctor in Alabama. She wrote:

    I’ve made a LOT of progress encouraging people to get vaccinated lately!!! Do you want to know how? I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious Covid infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late. A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same. They cry. And they tell me they didn’t know. They thought it was a hoax. They thought it was political. They thought because they had a certain blood type or a certain skin color they wouldn’t get as sick. They thought it was “just the flu.” But they were wrong. And they wish they could go back. But they can’t. So they thank me and they go get the vaccine.

    Phil Valentine, a conservative radio host in Nashville who said he wouldn’t get vaccinated and made parody songs about “the Vaxman,” caught the virus, and his condition quickly turned critical. He’s now in the hospital, on a ventilator. “He regrets not being more vehemently ‘pro-vaccine,’ and looks forward to being able to more vigorously advocate that position as soon as he is back on the air,” his radio station said in a statement.

    This is one problem with trusting our rationality: The choice we make now, before we catch the virus, may not be the choice we will wish we had made once we get sick. Then there’s the stubborn fact that individual decisions have collective consequences. It may indeed be the case that a healthy 19-year-old American has little to fear from the coronavirus. But his immunosuppressed grandfather has much to fear from him. Whether it is a more severe imposition on liberty to ask someone to get vaccinated or regularly tested than to ask all immunosuppressed people in the country to effectively shelter in place for the rest of their lives is a collective question that demands a collective answer.

    Other countries are offering that answer, and seeing results. Emmanuel Macron, the president of France, proposed a law requiring either proof of vaccination or a negative test result for many indoor activities. The mere prospect of a vaccine mandate set off mass protests. It also led to a surge in vaccinations. On July 1, 50.8 percent of the French population had gotten at least one shot — putting France 3.5 points behind America. By Sunday, 59.1 percent of France had been at least partially vaccinated, putting it 2.7 points ahead of us.

    A number of American employers are following suit. On Thursday, the Biden administration is expected to announce a directive requiring all civilian federal workers to get vaccinated or face routine testing and restrictions. California and New York will require proof of vaccination or routine negative test results for all state employees. New York City is imposing the same requirement for its public employees. Around 600 college campuses have announced that they’ll require vaccinations for students returning in the fall. There’s no hard count of how many businesses are requiring vaccinations or test results to come back to work, but the anecdotal answer appears to be “a lot.”

    There is nothing new about this. We do not solely rely on argumentation to persuade people to wear seatbelts. A majority of states do not leave it to individual debaters to hash out whether you can smoke in indoor workplaces. Polio and measles were murderous, but their near elimination required vaccine mandates, not just public education. When George Washington wanted to protect his soldiers from smallpox, he made vaccinations mandatory. It worked. “No revolutionary regiments were incapacitated by the disease during the southern campaign, and the mandate arguably helped win the yearslong war,” wrote Aaron Carroll.

    The objection I find most convincing to any kind of vaccine mandate is that we have not built the infrastructure to make it work. What if someone who received a vaccine has lost her card, or her information was wrongly recorded when she got her shot? If we try to carry this out through smartphones, what if you don’t have a smartphone, or you lose it? If you want to choose frequent testing, how do you get access to those tests, and who pays for it, and how are the results recorded? If you have a problem, who do you call to solve it? How long are the wait times when you call? What if you need an answer quickly?

    I covered both the debacle of the HealthCare.gov launch and the now-multidecade failure to transition to electronic medical records. We just watched state unemployment insurance systems nearly collapse under the demands of the pandemic. Perhaps we don’t have the capacity to do this well. But with so many public and private employers mandating vaccination for their workforces, we’ll know soon enough. Either they’ll build models that can scale or they will fail spectacularly enough to settle the question. And either way, this suggests a step the government could take right now: Funding, building and deploying an excellent vaccination passport infrastructure — backed up by ubiquitous rapid-testing options, for those cases when the passport fails — that private and public employers can use to implement their own policies.

    Though I’d like to believe otherwise, I don’t think our politics can support a national vaccination mandate. The places that would most benefit from a mandate would be those most opposed to following one, and deepening partisan divisions here would be catastrophic (this is a problem that also afflicts the C.D.C.’s new masking guidance, as my colleague David Leonhardt notes). A high-stakes showdown between, say, the federal government and the State of Florida over a mandate would be a distraction we don’t need. Quickly building the records and testing options for individual employers to take the first steps seems like the right middle ground, at least for now.

    Making it more annoying to be unvaccinated won’t persuade everyone to get a shot. But we don’t need everyone. According to Kaiser’s data, 16 percent of American adults are still in the wait-and-see or only-if-required categories. If they all got vaccinated, we’d hit herd immunity in most places. If more of the unvaccinated were routinely getting tested, that would help, too. And if cases then fell, the restrictions could lift.

    The Delta strain is fearsome enough, but if we keep permitting the virus to dance across the defenseless, we could soon have a strain that evades vaccines while retaining lethality, or that attacks children with more force. Over and over again throughout this pandemic, the same pattern has played out: We haven’t done enough to suppress the virus when we still could, so we have had to impose far more draconian lockdowns and grieve far more death, once we have lost control. For this reason among many, I urge those who object to vaccination passports as an unprecedented stricture on liberty to widen their tragic imagination.”

    #81357
    Mr. House
    Participant

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/virtue-signaling-mayors-get-amnesia-campaign-trail-after-defund-police-results-national

    A thought: What if you cry defund the police and chase out officers with different view points then yourself, then about face and rehire those who will do what you ask them to? Same thing for the military?

    #81358
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @madamski cafone “the Boz”

    Challenge accepted. Here’s a new topic auditioning for the role of TAE Obsession Of The Moment :

    Any of you here old enough to remember the term “Assymetric Warfare” ? It was quite the rage 20+ years ago but seems to have fallen out of fashion. Not to be fully conflated with the the term “Unconventional Warfare” the two share many characteristics, and along with good old blood drenched “Conventional Warfare” pretty well cover the gamut of large scale mayhem.

    In any case, here is the question : Are we now experiencing “real deal” , world wide, Assymetric Warfare ? And if so, who are the combatant parties and what are their respective vectors of force projection? Basically, who is fighting, what does each want, and how are they going about smiting their enemies and protecting their home turf?

    #81359
    those darned kids
    Participant

    Making it more annoying to be unvaccinated won’t persuade everyone to get a shot. But we don’t need everyone. According to Kaiser’s data, 16 percent of American adults are still in the wait-and-see or only-if-required categories. If they all got vaccinated, we’d hit herd immunity in most places.

    “Oh, the jobs people work at! Out west near Hawtch-Hawtch there’s a Hawtch-Hawtcher bee watcher, his job is to watch. Is to keep both his eyes on the lazy town bee, a bee that is watched will work harder you see. So he watched and he watched, but in spite of his watch that bee didn’t work any harder not mawtch. So then somebody said “Our old bee-watching man just isn’t bee watching as hard as he can, he ought to be watched by another Hawtch-Hawtcher! The thing that we need is a bee-watcher-watcher!”. Well, the bee-watcher-watcher watched the bee-watcher. He didn’t watch well so another Hawtch-Hawtcher had to come in as a watch-watcher-watcher! And now all the Hawtchers who live in Hawtch-Hawtch are watching on watch watcher watchering watch, watch watching the watcher who’s watching that bee. You’re not a Hawtch-Watcher you’re lucky you see!”

    #81360
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Regarding China using bioweapons to reduce USA population so it can invade: plasuible.

    Same guy who cites Gibson wrote:

    “Scenario 2: Tin Foil Hats
    This scenario is one where we posit (merely as a thought experiment) that the conspiracy theories around Coronavirus could be true. These range from it being a weaponized virus that either escaped, or was unleashed, to the assertion that the entire Coronavirus hysteria is a hoax, perpetrated by Global Elites (probably the Lizard People) in order to take down the economy and institute worldwide martial law. In this scenario we might be in the early innings of World War Three, only the war isn’t being fought with bombs and bullets, it’s being fought with biological agents and weaponized financial derivatives.”

    I suspect he feels he should use dismissive terms like ‘tin foil hat’ and ‘lizard people’ to remain credible to much of his paying audience.

    THis is a headline from a Feb 202 article:

    “China and Russia adopt ‘one team’ mindset on COVID vaccines vs US
    Neighbors deepen cooperation as Washington vows to ‘distrust but verify'”

    I see this supporting the idea of China invading via bioweapon genocide. It suggests two allies working together to make sure they don’t fuck up the vaccines they need to be safe from said bioweapon.

    Me, I think we have obvious economic warfare by the Rus/China/Iran axis of itself, first of all, then secondly, an accidental release of something that could or could not be a biowepaon, finished or incomplete, and China/Rus working closely, once the cat got out of the bag, and Putin made that call to Xi, saying, “Talk, motherfucker. We’re allies not friends. What the fuck have you done now?”

    Both nations are using REAL vaccines and taking this very seriously. Meanwhile, Euromerica and satellites are destroying themselves not via biowepaon but by classic very-late-stage empire collapse, the age marked by a success of leaders that make you asks, Is heshe that evil or that stupid? (beginning with Reagan, I feel), with Poppy and Clenis leaning the question toward Evil, Dubya setting the bar toward Stupid, Obama leaning it back toward Evil, Trump trashing the entire scale, lord love him, and Biden unable to remember the question in the first place.

    If the USA population shrinks small enough, yeah, we’d be easy to own. We might beg to be occupied.

    But even without an internal covid populaton decimation, China will be in no position to invade for awhile. It would have to majorloy retool its factories for making quality not shyte, and reset its currency to where ti could play the “guns AND butter” ploy long enough to properly occupy North America.

    Putin wouldn’t sign on for it because he has a proper fair psychopathic sense of justice: he knows that karma is real, and more than taking care of your own is begging for trouble.

    So, I say: plausible but not likely.

    #81361
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “Hmmm, now what could this “Jackpot” be? I’ll just have to think long and hard on that one, I will!”

    Gibson is adamant that there is in his fiction, nor will be in reality, One BIg Thing to end it all. Just a gradually expanding clusterfuck. As we see happening daily since way back to the age of the Pharaohs, but let’s stick to1900. You can see a dramatic uptick in destructive insanity hand-in-hand with scientific progress (or so it’s called).

    #81362
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Quick Check says, #1 White, perhaps pestilence. #2 Red, war. #3 Black, famine. #4, Green, unknown, but on it rides Death himself accompanied by Hell. Possibly modern, oligarchic environmentalism as a response to 1, 2, and 3.

    So we are at One – maybe – but if so it would make sense Famine and War would follow. Look at the news, but cranks like John have been saying that since Nero. These are not the only interpretations, and were very different 1,000 years ago, but that doesn’t matter: Forces generally highjack existing myths and refer to them, MAKE them true to achieve their own ends.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_of_the_Apocalypse

    For Gibson, yes, TDS is your Baptist Purity Ring for Liberals and “good people” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ring_(South_Park) but for authors, there was the most fascinating myth on the internet, of John Titor, who claimed to be a time-traveler, but then predicted a number of very obscure things before 2001. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor

    The main one that concerns us now was that the U.S. would fall into open Civil War over a he/she Presidency. “He/she”? Since when was that the way to describe it? Also Florida was the strongest resistance, which as God’s Waiting Room, no resources, over 80, seemed the least likely but is also pointing up to be true. The time-physics he presented also appear to be stronger than what was physics consensus in 2000. That is, he could travel but could not steer well, and the further away the less accurate. That nearly precludes any hope of returning to his timeline, as indeed he claimed he didn’t.

    He also knew some exceptionally obscure information about rare, old (even then) computer types which were indeed true, back when such computers would only be used by national governments.

    Two ideas: One, he was right, and went back in time. However, considering his target uncle’s location in government/federal reserve perhaps, no one would believe him, but maybe one or more people did. Who would they tell? Who would believe them? So they put the information in their hat, vowing to prevent an on-side civil war and open nuclear exchange. This would be why Greenspan went nuts stopping Y2K, which otherwise didn’t seem that bad, as that APPEARED to be the point at which the Titor’s U.S. went into decay, dissolution, de-industrialization, culminating later in the contentious he/she Presidency that broke into war. …Now doesn’t that seem incredibly likely?

    IF he was correct, then they knew a LOT…but only up until 2000, when they radically changed the timeline and were blind again, although they could be aware all these long-forces remained out there as risks.

    Second, Why believe this for a moment? Why not say, by 2000 the U.S. had their first quantum computers and enough time to waste on pet projects for them, maybe as the 1st quantum was retired. Why not feed everything you know into it and see what it says about the American future? I would. You and the CIA, Mil-Intel can read it. Okay, great, what fun is that? This is a stark, direct, ominous warning for the Republic. You need to leak it to the people immediately. Great but how do you do that? Say, “Hi, I’m General HardCase and I approved this above top secret leak?” No. Make up some dumb story and post it on the new internet, using voodoo like Coast-to-Coast radio, at 2am.

    I really could care less. The interesting thing is the impressions of the story, the same as when a novelist writes, or even predicts, as Titanic was predicted, and little Baron Trump, 1889.

    “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” –Old Crowe

    #81363
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Adding the Y2K timeline, things happened faster, because of the instant failure of BaU, of “normal” as they’re only trying to force now. However, the White Hats’ backup player in Mil-Intel, Cheeto, still existed (or not) and the NeoLib/Con force de jure, Hillary, still ordained to own all. So the (only) two existing sides still put their people in the ring, but 20 years earlier. Same dynamics. But you see they’re all too old now. It’s all been delayed, forestalled. Collapse is being bulwarked and supported, refusing to obey. Even ’08 couldn’t sink it.

    Can you see that Gibson (and many others) scenario? Authors, poets, are generally associated with prophets and shamans, far seers. It’s their job to do so. “Lethal Weapon” is no fun if it gets too far from reality as “Last Jedi”. It has to be close, parallel, plausible, immediate, relevant.

    History is not written. Our actions CAN, if large enough, change the future — of course, or there would be no free will. So if you WANT a future with no horsemen, lots of food, and freedom for your children and reporters, you can have it. Just take it. But it takes vision, will, and hard work.

    “The unknown future rolls toward us. I face it for the first time with a sense of hope, because if a machine, a Terminator, can learn the value of human life, maybe we can, too.” -T2

    #81364
    TAE Summary
    Participant

    I was intrigued by Rototillerman’s suggestion yesterday of using A Tale of Two Narratives as a basis for comparing the narratives. I started going through past TAE posts and adding links under bullet items. As expected, most TAE links support the counter narrative and there are many more to go through. In fairness I started googling items from the mainstream narrative and adding links to those. The preliminary result is here and I will add some more and repost in a few days.
    I am of course biased, but the impression I got as I googled and added mainstream links is that the mainstream narrative is thin. For example I googled “why should we trust the cdc” and all the links were about how no one trusts the CDC, and that from google. Try googling “why should kids be vaccinated for covid” and see what falderal comes up. Even so I am trying to document the mainstream points as objectively as possible.
    If anyone can suggest a way to work on this collaboratively I would be glad to transfer what I have done to such a site.
    Oh, and I have prioritized this over summarizing 🙁

    #81365
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    correction : Asymetric Warfare, not Assymetric Warfare. Musta been a Fraudian slip.

    #81366
    DarkMatter
    Participant

    Just read this at UNZ: Covid Riots
    I love the final paragraph:

    And yet, far away from the media din we are surrounded by a beautiful world, full of grace and compassion. We deserve it. Our women could seduce the angels; our men defeated dragons. Our wise old folk argued with Socrates and prayed with Apostles. Every green valley, every river stream, every flower is a gift of God. Enjoy it, and ignore the busy termites who are well paid to keep us hanging on tenterhooks. Death is unavoidable; it is part and parcel of life. The best we can do is to avoid anxiety and enjoy life while it lasts. Let Fauci vaxx Bezos aboard their phallic spaceship. Just let them all fly away never to be seen again.

    #81367
    madamski cafone
    Participant
    #81368
    Mr. House
    Participant

    I noticed this a month or so ago but didn’t bring it up, has anyone else felt this to be the case?


    Ping
    July 29, 2021 at 2:06 pm

    I have observed an obvious campaign to throw shade on J&J from the start amplifying media coverage of J&J’s adverse events while minimizing or eliminating reporting of proportionally vastly more adverse events (per VAERS) of mRNA types.”

    edit:J&J is still mRNA

    #81369
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    My knowledge of the 4 Horsemen is ancient, going back to a unique kind of Mormon upbringing, and all the popular literature written about End Times, etc., especially sci-fi. That’s what I get for trusting my memory.

    apoc

    ^&*

    “This would be why Greenspan went nuts stopping Y2K, which otherwise didn’t seem that bad,”

    It was bad. We fixed it. How? Out-sourced data programmers.

    Why? Business owners not wanting to lose their shirts, including the likes of the Fed.

    Mr. Greenspan said:

    “I’m one of the culprits who created this problem. I used to write those programs back in the 1960s and 1970s, and was proud of the fact that I was able to squeeze a few elements of space out of my program by not having to put a 19 before the year. Back then, it was very important. We used to spend a lot of time running through various mathematical exercises before we started to write our programs so that they could be very clearly delimited with respect to space and the use of capacity. It never entered our minds that those programs would have lasted for more than a few years. As a consequence, they are very poorly documented. If I were to go back and look at some of the programs I wrote 30 years ago, I would have one terribly difficult time working my way through step-by-step.”
    —Alan Greenspan, 1998[19]

    While I am all for the time-traveler being real, I’ll note that there are older traditions of explanation:

    Factoid Hexadecimal code

    “Computers “think” in Binary code, or Base Two. But that is very hard for humans to read, so computer programmers have a special code they use when talking to computers; it’s called Hexadecimal Code. It’s easier to read than Binary code, but a whole lot harder to read than English! As computers get more sophisticated, we programmers use hexadecimal less and less, but we still use it sometimes. For instance, I wanted to color this page dark purple, I wouldn’t tell the computer to paint it “dark purple”, I would tell the computer to paint it “#440044″, and the computer understood exactly what I meant (see the link about colors at the bottom of this page for more information about encoding colors).”

    Close enough to 666 for many eople back then to think Y2K, along with bar-code scanning, was the Number of the Beast. That mytho-magical thinking still makes sense to me now. PLausible plot device, let’s say.

    I see no reason to disclude Mr. Time-Traveler from such outlines, but for me personally he doesn’t cut it as a lead actor. More like a quirky but catalytic figure played by an equally quirky charatcer actor like Crispin Glover.

    I think that clairvoyance is both real and common but typically lost in the noise of modern hyper-stimulated/hypnotized mental reality.

    #81370

    We are absolutely swimming in smoke today from Canadian fires. I hate AC but I turned it on to scrub the air. The link shows the smoke map for North America.
    While Stew Peters wrecks it with his “graphene=graphite=lead in pencils=lead” in “vaccines”, I think Karen Kingston says stuff worth hearing.

    #81371
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Thanx for that, Dark Matter.

    #81372
    zerosum
    Participant

    Take care of the surge, (the hot spots).
    The pandemic is over.
    The recovery will never come. The trillions of dollars printed and spent are gone. Just like yesterday is gone.
    The battle continues.
    The war by our immune system will continue. Life is a balance of the virus.

    #81373
    Mr. House
    Participant

    evidence they want you dead cause the tech can’t keep up?

    https://advisory.kpmg.us/articles/2021/limits-to-growth.html

    #81374
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    Re: the Y2K stuff…

    It’s as different (time math) for human intuition vs computer solution as trying to make a self-riding bicycle. Time seems second-nature to all of us, even including awareness of time zones, DST, most even aware intuitively of latitudinal differences in day length. The computer version of all this is a freshly-baked Gordian soft pretzel salted with methamphetamine hydrochloride.

    #81375
    chooch
    Participant

    @Archie

    Ok, let’s have some fun with this. When I was young, my mum used to mix up pitchers of a kool-aid like beverage from a company named Funny Face.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funny_Face_(drink_mix)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funny_Face_(drink_mix)

    My favorite was Choo Choo Cherry. This always left a cherry colored “Got Milk” smile on my upper lip. After a bit, my friends stated calling Choo Choo…eventually Chooch for short. Originally, this drink mix was called Chinese Cherry. Fortunately for me, I didn’t start drinking it until after the name change otherwise I might have been nicknamed “Chink”. Unfortunately though, the Calcium cyclamate left an indelible smile on my upper lip and sometimes the meanies tease me and call me Joker.

    #81376
    DarkMatter
    Participant

    @madamski

    My knowledge of the 4 Horsemen is ancient, going back to a unique kind of Mormon
    upbringing, and all the popular literature written about End Times

    I take a little liberty but always think of the four horseman as Hunger, Violence and Disease with the fourth horse being the ultimate consequence of the first three, Death. The four horseman are the patron saints of the prepper movement.

    And how does a unique Mormon upbringing differ from the standard Mormon upbringing?

    #81377
    those darned kids
    Participant

    thanks for posting the grasshoppah link, mdmski c.!

    although i have not eaten flesh for many years, in that kind of survival situation, and especially to protect my precious tomato plants, i would fire up the grill and eat ’em.

    •••••

    unfortunately, i found this on the same page: “Winnipeg Catholic priest accuses residential school survivors of lying about abuse for money”

    you would think god’s hr department would have a better vetting process..

    If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity they will go.

    ~ revelation 13.10 (i don’t really like the sword part that follows.)

    #81378
    those darned kids
    Participant

    oh, please, oh, please,

    ¿¡¿will someone please post a link for the cartoon “flip the frog – funny face” from the youtube (all hail google!)?!?

    this is ub iwerks at his finest – back when america made useful stuff.

    #81379
    those darned kids
    Participant

    oops, a little racist stuff in there, 1930s.. and such.

    #81380
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Geert Vanden Bossche is lookin’ good.

    Dr Malone, inventor of the mRNA, says the same as Geert, ADE is here, and accelerating.

    Mission Accomplished

    The CDC has Mad Cow Disease

    So much for it’s ‘Super Organism’ status.

    RIP

    #81381

    Ah, John Titor!
    If time travel exists, it has always existed.
    I like to think of it this way: if you go back in time, you will find yourself swimming in the genetic material of your future ancestors. If you go forward in time you will find yourself dead.
    If you can go corporeally back in time, you won’t remember what hasn’t happened. If you go forward, people will go, DUH! And if you return from the future, you won’t recall it. If you return from the past, people will go DUH!

    Too cute to not relate: my chipmunk brought me a pink (carnation) today. He tapped at the window with it in his mouth, and when I opened the door, he dropped it when I gave him a peanut.
    Animals like me.

    #81382
    zerosum
    Participant

    achieving “ZeroCOVID” – an impossible dream
    I you don’t want to believe what I’m saying, then will you believe
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/makary-fauci-its-time-stop-fearmongering-amid-widespread-natural-immunity
    Makary To Fauci: “It’s Time To Stop The Fearmongering” Amid Widespread Natural Immunity

    Here’s the scary chart that has Fauci and The CDC and Pelosi and her cronies all demanding masks (or worse)…

    Notice anything different this time? No one is dying!!!!

    Dr. Fauci said last Aug. 13 that when you have fewer than 10 cases per 100,000, “you should be able to open up safely and clearly.” The U.S. reached that point in mid-May. It’s time to stop the fear mongering and level with the public about the incredible capabilities of both modern medical research and the human body’s immune system.

    #81383
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Assymetric versus asymetric means asinine asymetric warfare, which we can turn into, if we choose, assymimetric warfare aka assymimes at play.

    Of course, asymetric war is nothing new. Just means someone invented a new weapon that is nodally transformative. The iron stirrup in 7th/8th century which allowed mounted armored knights. Everything about Genghis Khan’s Golden Horde including their superficial appearance of being just another army way too heavy on arrows but durn good with horses. Gunpowder. Gatling gun. Tanks. Nuclear weapons. ICBMs. Satellites. Global comm networks. Global air travel. Global finance. (not necessarily in that order)

    If it yields power, it will be weaponized: we’re only human.

    So, ultimately, asymetrical warfare is a fancy term for West Point smarty-pants to make their papers sound important. Not that they don’t understand the significance. A week or three after 911, Ira Glass of NPR’s This American Life did a segment on military brass watching the telly in a bar when The Towers did their mythologically resonant Star Wars collapse.

    “Well, there goes America,” they said, in so many words, and used this term new to me, asymetrical warfare.

    The current situation vis a vis asymetrical? It’s so uniformly asymetrical that it’s symetrical: everything is falling to pieces, with everyone bitching at everyone about every little thing, that the disintegration is eerily smooth and uniform (something William Gibson did get right, even as he endorsed the gradualist ‘vote the lesser evil’ nonsense that is the core driver of this smooth, yet all the more deadlier for it, disintegration.

    I hope no one thinks I’m proselytising when I say the following. Hell, I rarely step into a church. But here goes: REAL asymetrical warfare is when Jesus and the Mystery Angelaliens return, trailing clo9uds of glory and all that divinely macho shit.

    I was looking for an obscure cartoon about Reagan’s first Secretary of the Interior, James Watts, who famously thrashed anti-pollution/environmental protection regulations with the justification that “Jesus is Coming Soon” so use it up now while we can. In the cartoon, he holds that message in a sign. He is followed by popular wildlife: a deer, a bear, a squirrel, etc. holding signs saying things like ‘And he’s looking for you’, ‘cuz he’s pissed’, and ‘you in a heap o trubble, boy’..

    No luck, but this popped up and seemed perfectly neo-Hollywood per our times:

    via

    Me, I got no horse in that race. I wanna Redeemer, and I dig clouds of trailing glory, but it’s none of my business whom such a deity might want to hammer.

    “Vengeance is mine,” saith the Lord or Someone Who sounds just like Hir.

    Meanwhile, back at the Christ residence, Little Jesus, Jr. is fucking with shit hE’s not supposed to:

    Excellent!

    ^&*

    Dr. D’s consideration of clairvoyance as a driver competes with Perfectly Laid Overlord plans. But not in a zero-sum way. Plenty room for both. In fact, no reason why Bill Gates can’t experience prophetic dreams that he grossly misinterprets because… have you SEEN a picture of him? He’s a chess club nerd. They tend to stop developing at age 11 with a perpetual 14-year old hardon. Not much blood gets to that brain outside its obsessive channels hogging all ther juice.

    gates

    That boy just ain’t right.

    #81384
    Oroboros
    Participant

    The Pro vaccine guys like Geert and Malone know that the reputation the vaccine industry is going to be Gobshite as the dust settles on the Sea of Lies spewing from the pie-hole of the CDC.

    So as a backdrop to today’s admission by the CDC that not only are the vaccinated super-spreaders, but that the vaccinated have ZERO immunity to the variants that they themselves produced!

    I wonder what the Love Child of a carnal union between Schadenfreude and Karma would look like?

    #81385
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “And how does a unique Mormon upbringing differ from the standard Mormon upbringing?”

    Chicago’s first North Side Ward, Logan Square, was my church from infancy to getting out of it at age 16. LOvely old building with serious stained glass windows and pigeons on the air balcony at the back of the peanut gallery, uh, mezzanine? (upstairs seating).

    In the 60s, leaving at 16 in ’74.

    A 1/3 of the congregation was college students doing Big Degrees: medical/law/engineering. Young dudes back from their mission, early-to-late 20s. Reading sci-fi. In a Democratic town where I saw first hand much of that civil rights stuff.

    Compared to what I’ve since learned about the lockdown mindset of what some of us call ‘Utah Mormons’, with their straight-ticket GOP and closet fundie freak issues, and this general… boringness that passeth all understanding…. I was raised in a wild religious hippy commune. 😉

    #81386
    Rototillerman
    Participant

    If anyone can suggest a way to work on this collaboratively I would be glad to transfer what I have done to such a site.

    TAE Summary: I so want to do this. You’ve made a great start on it. Let’s discuss off-line outside of the comment section. Here is a throw-away email that you can use to contact me: [email protected].

    PS: I would be a little worried about DropBox, or any other commercial entity, cutting off access if they became aware that there was ‘misinformation’ being shared. Keep a master copy outside of your Dropbox folder!

    #81387
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “The computer version of all this is a freshly-baked Gordian soft pretzel salted with methamphetamine hydrochloride.”

    Whoa, dude. I mean, I adore meta-mixed metaphors, but maybe you should provide a chaser after one like that? I got vertigo. 😉

    #81388
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    those darned kids:

    The Frog is Flipped

    “Dr. Skinnum.” Awesome.

    #81389
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “I wonder what the Love Child of a carnal union between Schadenfreude and Karma would look like?”

    You too? First those darned kids, now you. My.eyes.the.goggles.do.nothing. 😉

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