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Israeli Scientist Says Covid-19 Could Be Treated For Under $1/Day (JPost)
Necessity Of Covid-19 Vaccination In Previously Infected Individuals (Medrxiv)
Covid Vaccines: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly (SPR)
Well, Duh. This Is Why It Was Stupid (Denninger)
When Things Don’t Add Up (Kunstler)
China Will Test All 12 Million Wuhan Residents (F.)
Millions Are Put Into Lockdown In China (DM)
Ratcliffe: COVID Lab Leak “Very Close To A Certainty” (ZH)
AOC Calls Fellow Democrats “Cowards” On The Eviction Moratorium (JTN)
Australians Getting Ready To Overthrow Tyrannical Government (BBee)

 

 

I knew it!

 

 

“99.999% survival vs 99.974% unvaxed. But they just say 25x higher chance of dying. Lmao. So vax increases your odds by .025%. Of surviving. Hmmmmmmmm”

https://twitter.com/i/status/1422202459036999687

 

 

How successful are the vaccines so far?

 

 

Why Macron insists on vaccine passports.

 

 

$1 a day is too cheap for political gain.

Israeli Scientist Says Covid-19 Could Be Treated For Under $1/Day (JPost)

Ivermectin, a drug used to fight parasites in third-world countries, could help reduce the length of infection for people who contract coronavirus for less than a $1 a day, according to recent research by Sheba Medical Center in Tel Hashomer. Prof. Eli Schwartz, founder of the Center for Travel Medicine and Tropical Disease at Sheba, conducted a randomized, controlled, double-blinded trial from May 15, 2020, through the end of January 2021 to evaluate the effectiveness of ivermectin in reducing viral shedding among nonhospitalized patients with mild to moderate COVID-19. Ivermectin has been approved by the US Food and Drug Administration since 1987. The drug’s discoverers were awarded the 2015 Nobel Prize in medicine for its treatment of onchocerciasis, a disease caused by infection with a parasitic roundworm.

Over the years, it has been used for other indications, including scabies and head lice. Moreover, in the last decade, several clinical studies have started to show its antiviral activity against viruses ranging from HIV and the flu to Zika and West Nile. The drug is also extremely economical. A study published in the peer-reviewed American Journal of Therapeutics showed that the cost of ivermectin for other treatments in Bangladesh is around $0.60 to $1.80 for a five-day course. It costs up to $10 a day in Israel, Schwartz said. In Schwartz’s study, some 89 eligible volunteers over the age of 18 who were diagnosed with coronavirus and staying in state-run COVID-19 hotels were divided into two groups: 50% received ivermectin, and 50% received a placebo, according to their weight. They were given the pills for three days in a row, an hour before a meal.

The volunteers were tested using a standard nasopharyngeal swab PCR test with the goal of evaluating whether there was a reduction in viral load by the sixth day – the third day after termination of the treatment. They were swabbed every two days. Nearly 72% of volunteers treated with ivermectin tested negative for the virus by day six. In contrast, only 50% of those who received the placebo tested negative. In addition, the study looked at culture viability, meaning how infectious the patients were, and found that only 13% of ivermectin patients were infectious after six days, compared with 50% of the placebo group – almost four times as many. “Our study shows first and foremost that ivermectin has antiviral activity,” Schwartz said. “It also shows that there is almost a 100% chance that a person will be noninfectious in four to six days, which could lead to shortening isolation time for these people. This could have a huge economic and social impact.”

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There is none: “Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination ..”

Necessity Of Covid-19 Vaccination In Previously Infected Individuals (Medrxiv)

Employees of the Cleveland Clinic Health System working in Ohio on Dec 16, 2020, the day COVID-19 vaccination was started, were included. Any subject who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 at least 42 days earlier was considered previously infected. One was considered vaccinated 14 days after receipt of the second dose of a SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine. The cumulative incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection over the next five months, among previously infected subjects who received the vaccine, was compared with those of previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated, previously uninfected subjects who received the vaccine, and previously uninfected subjects who remained unvaccinated.

Results Among the 52238 included employees, 1359 (53%) of 2579 previously infected subjects remained unvaccinated, compared with 22777 (41%) of 49659 not previously infected. The cumulative incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection remained almost zero among previously infected unvaccinated subjects, previously infected subjects who were vaccinated, and previously uninfected subjects who were vaccinated, compared with a steady increase in cumulative incidence among previously uninfected subjects who remained unvaccinated. Not one of the 1359 previously infected subjects who remained unvaccinated had a SARS-CoV-2 infection over the duration of the study. In a Cox proportional hazards regression model, after adjusting for the phase of the epidemic, vaccination was associated with a significantly lower risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection among those not previously infected (HR 0.031, 95% CI 0.015 to 0.061) but not among those previously infected (HR 0.313, 95% CI 0 to Infinity).

Conclusions: Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before. Summary: Cumulative incidence of COVID-19 was examined among 52238 employees in an American healthcare system. COVID-19 did not occur in anyone over the five months of the study among 2579 individuals previously infected with COVID-19, including 1359 who did not take the vaccine.

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“..covid vaccines do not achieve mucosal immunity (in contrast to natural infection) and serum antibody levels (i.e. antibodies in the blood) decrease within months..”

Covid Vaccines: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly (SPR)

The latest data from Israel, which has used primarily the Pfizer mRNA vaccine, indicates that vaccine effectiveness against Delta coronavirus infection and symptomatic (“mild”) disease has dropped from about 95% to about 40%, whereas effectiveness against hospitalization and severe disease (i.e. low blood oxygen levels) remains at 80% to 90% (see chart above). Importantly, in people who got vaccinated already in January 2021 (primarily the elderly), protection against infection and mild disease may already have dropped to near 0% (see chart above). Moreover, since the Delta covid outbreak is still accelerating in Israel, the effectiveness against hospitalization and severe disease may further decrease (due to lags in hospitalizations). (Update: New data from Hebrew University shows that protection against severe disease has already dropped to 80%; compared to the original 96%, this results in a five-fold increase in residual risk.)

In the UK, which has primarily used the AstraZeneca DNA adenovector vaccine, the latest estimate by researchers at University College London indicates an effectiveness against infection of about 20% and a total effectiveness against severe disease of about 60%. In very senior citizens, the effectiveness against severe disease may be even lower (due to a weaker immune response). (A substantially higher estimate by Public Health England, recently published in the New England Journal of Medicine, was based on outdated data from early June. Interestingly, the British government hasn’t updated its data on AstraZeneca vaccine effectiveness since June 13. Update: New data from PHE confirms that effectiveness against infection has dropped below 20%.)

The Israeli data shown above indicates that effectiveness against infection and mild symptoms decreases rapidly over time and reaches near-zero levels after about half a year. Most likely, this is because covid vaccines do not achieve mucosal immunity (in contrast to natural infection) and serum antibody levels (i.e. antibodies in the blood) decrease within months. Thus, the false promise of very high protection against “symptomatic infection”, found during official vaccine trials, was simply based on very high short-term serum antibody levels mimicking mucosal immunity. Conceivably, the pharmaceutical companies may even have known that this was just a (very lucrative) “flash in the pan” and not a lasting protective effect.

In contrast, protection against severe disease is achieved by lower serum antibody levels in combination with immunological memory (B cells) and cellular immunity (T cells). However, the Delta variant has already achieved partial immune evasion (as did Beta and Gamma, but not Alpha), and future coronavirus variants will likely achieve almost complete immune evasion. Thus, vaccine protection even against severe disease will likely further decrease due to new variants, or, in the very worst case, will turn into antibody-dependent disease enhancement (ADE), if high levels of non-neutralizing antibodies aggravate the infection. Indeed, this is what happened in the case of vaccines against SARS-1 and dengue fever.


Serum antibody levels after vaccination with Pfizer (blue) and AstraZeneca (red).

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An addendum to Vanden Bossche:

“There is no safe means of mass-use of non-sterilizing vaccines so long as transmission within the community does or is likely to exist.”

Well, Duh. This Is Why It Was Stupid (Denninger)

I warned everyone. Now even CNN is on it, although they (like SAGE) think we’re smarter than nature — and evolution. “They write that some variants that have emerged over the past few months “show a reduced susceptibility to vaccine-acquired immunity, though none appears to escape entirely.” But they caution that these variants emerged “before vaccination was widespread,” and that “as vaccines become more widespread, the transmission advantage gained by a virus that can evade vaccine-acquired immunity will increase.” In a word: Duh. I know I’ve been banging on this drum since Covid-19 started but it is no-less important today, especially in the context of holding people accountable for killing several hundred thousand Americans and the economic destruction they brought upon the nation.

To be sterilizing a vaccine must prevent infection. Since you never get infected you never replicate the virus and thus do not shed it. If you do not shed it the potential path of the viral life-cycle for that particular infection ends with you and thus you cannot pass on or cause a mutation. You are sterile against that disease; from the point of view of the virus you are a lifeless rock. Among commonly-used sterilizing vaccines are MMR (measles, mumps and rubella), Varicella (chicken pox), OPV (oral polio) and others. The only time that such a vaccine fails is when you do not build immunity (such as due to immune compromise.) This is extremely rare and the protection from such vaccines tends to be either decades-long or lifetime.

A vaccine that is not sterilizing permits the virus to infect you and replicate and as a result you can infect others. Technically it is not a vaccine at all (which by definition prevents infection); it is a prophylactic therapy. Such a “vaccine” instead acts to reduce or eliminate symptomatic disease. You don’t know you’re sick and you don’t get sick. You don’t go to the hospital and you don’t die. Unfortunately since you don’t know you’re sick but are infected and the virus is both replicating in you and shedding you are more-likely to spread the infection to others. All of the current Covid jabs are in this category and so is, for that matter IPV (injected polio vaccine — the original Salk discovery.) During the original vaccine trials in the summer and fall of 2020 they deliberately did not test any of the recipients for asymptomatic infections.

Only a person who developed a significant illness was tested. This has continued post roll-out with the CDC specifying that a close contact of a known case who was vaccinated did not need to quarantine or be tested until and unless they became symptomatic. They knew damn well, in other words, that the jabs were not sterilizing but did not want that data up for public debate because then those who have read history would be likely to make the connection to the present day and thus they did their level best to hide it. That has now blown up in their face with it being conclusively known that jabbed people in fact not only get infected but spread the virus to others. The problem with non-sterilizing vaccines is simply this: There is no safe means of mass-use of non-sterilizing vaccines so long as transmission within the community does or is likely to exist.

Ever. There are no exceptions. This was known to public health officials and virologists seventy years ago and is why the United States used both IPV (injected polio vaccine) and OPV (oral polio vaccine) in sequence for polio until the 1990s. OPV produced sterilizing immunity but IPV did not. OPV had a very small (but non-zero, about 1 in a million) risk of causing polio because it was a codon-deoptimized live virus which, on rare occasion, would mutate back to its virulent form in the human body. So to mitigate that risk you got IPV first in the US (to prevent systemic infection; this was non-sterilizing), then OPV which is sterilizing — that is, it prevents not only getting sick from polio but also replicating and shedding the virus, thus giving it to others along with preventing the promotion of mutations that WILL eventually escape the vaccine.

Had we done with polio what we’re doing now with Covid — IPV (non-sterilizing) use only with virus circulating in the United States — it is very likely the virus would have mutated, escaped the vaccine and killed millions in America.

Malone Arms race.

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“All that sound-and-fury for what? For vaccines that don’t work… and which, quite possibly, could leave you seriously ill, even dead?”

When Things Don’t Add Up (Kunstler)

The Covid 19 panic, which has been driving formerly civilized societies crazy for eighteen months, prompted the bringing-forth of The Science’s follow-up project: vaccines to stop the spread of the virus. Enter the scene, these vaxes did, like, a day-and-a-half after Covid-19 pirouetted onstage. Hmmmm. Could someone have been working on those vaxes backstage before the dread virus even premiered? Were patents issued for them pre-dating January, 2020? Seems so. But never mind that for now. The vaxes were rolled out to fanfares over a year ago and those moiling masses of America, the superfluous holders of bachelor’s degrees in Oppression Studies — for whom, sadly, the world had run-out of paying positions — lined up like kids at Santa’s throne in Macy’s on Black Sunday for their Moderna, Pfizer, and Johnson & Johnson jabs. Whew…! That was a close call!

Or was it? Naw, not even close, actually. Since now it turns out that the jabs don’t seem to work that well. The official story got murkier last week when the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) reported internally to staff (it leaked) that “fully vaccinated people might spread the Delta variant at the same rate as unvaccinated people.” Whoopsie…. In a Delta variant outbreak on Cape Cod last month, three-quarters of the infected were fully vaxed-up patients. The story got darker because The New York Times, the usually-reliable mouthpiece for The Science and his allies in “Joe Biden’s” public health bureaucracy, let slip that, “The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated.”

Wuh-oh…! A worm the size of an Amtrak Acela train has turned in the myocarditic heart of our nation’s capital. Things have changed overnight — didn’t they see it coming? — and now the government is freaking out as it appears to have some serious ‘splainin’ to do — and right on the heels, too, of an hysterical month-long campaign to persuade the remaining unvaxed millions to submit to the needle, climaxed by threatening the obdurate “hesitants” with taking away their employment and ability to participate in commerce and social life. All that sound-and-fury for what? For vaccines that don’t work… and which, quite possibly, could leave you seriously ill, even dead?

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Chia uses nucleic acid amplification tests, not PCR.

China Will Test All 12 Million Wuhan Residents (F.)

Chinese authorities said Tuesday they will administer Covid-19 tests to all 12 million residents in Wuhan, where the first cases of Covid-19 were first reported, after the first local cases of infection by the highly contagious delta variant were reported in the city. On Monday, authorities confirmed three new delta variant Covid-19 cases in Wuhan, the first local cases since mid-May last year, Reuters reported. A city official told a news briefing that the city-wide testing was being done to screen out all asymptomatic infections and to ensure that everyone in the city was safe.


Besides Wuhan, China has detected new local infections in the nearby cities of Jingzhou and Huanggang, all of which have been linked to cases found in China’s Jiangsu province. The outbreak in Jiangsu was reportedly fueled by the delta variant which is believed to have entered the region from an infected passenger flying in from Russia. 414. That’s the total number of locally acquired Covid-19 cases China has reported since July 20, when the first infections in Jiangsu were reported. It’s unclear if all of these cases are delta variant infections.

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Zero covid is a bad idea.

Millions Are Put Into Lockdown In China (DM)

Millions of people have been placed back into lockdown in China as the country tries to contain its largest coronavirus outbreak in months with mass testing and travel curbs. The country reported 55 new locally transmitted coronavirus cases today as an outbreak of the fast-spreading Delta variant reached over 20 cities and more than a dozen provinces. The latest surge, which state media has labelled the ‘most extensive outbreak of Covid since Wuhan’, began when airport workers in Nanjing who had cleaned a plane that arrived from Russia later tested positive for the virus. Local governments in major cities including Beijing have now tested millions of residents, while cordoning off residential compounds and placing close contacts under quarantine.

While the number of cases is relatively small they are spread out across the country, prompting state media to compare it to the initial outbreak in Wuhan in 2019. The central city of Zhuzhou in Hunan province ordered over 1.2 million residents on Monday to stay home under strict lockdown for the next three days as it rolls out a citywide testing and vaccination campaign, according to an official statement. ‘The situation is still grim and complicated,’ the Zhuzhou government said. Beijing has previously boasted of its success in bringing domestic cases down to virtually zero after the coronavirus first emerged in Wuhan in late 2019, allowing the economy to rebound.

But the latest outbreak, linked to a cluster in Nanjing where nine cleaners at an international airport tested positive on July 20, is threatening that success with more than 360 domestic cases reported in the past two weeks. In the tourist destination of Zhangjiajie, near Zhuzhou, an outbreak spread last month among theatre patrons who then brought the virus back to their homes around the country. Zhangjiajie locked down all 1.5 million residents on Friday. Officials are urgently seeking people who have recently travelled from Nanjing or Zhangjiajie, and have urged tourists not to travel to areas where cases have been found.

Meanwhile, Beijing has blocked tourists from entering the capital during the peak summer holiday travel season. Only ‘essential travellers’ with negative nucleic acid tests will be allowed to enter after the discovery of a handful of cases among residents who had returned from Zhangjiajie. Top city officials on Sunday called for residents ‘not to leave Beijing unless necessary’. The capital’s Changping district locked down 41,000 people in nine housing communities last week.

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No Democrat will listen.

Ratcliffe: COVID Lab Leak “Very Close To A Certainty” (ZH)

Former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe says that the lab-leak Covid-19 origin hypothesis isn’t just a “possibility,” but “more like a probability, if not very close to a certainty.” In a Monday Op-Ed, Ratcliffe excoriated China for rejecting new plans by the World Health Organization to investigate the lab-leak theory, which was “remarkable not only because of China’s continued belligerence, but also because the WHO was once complicit, caving to the CCP’s initial pressure to dismiss the lab leak theory and downplay the CCP’s coverup.” “I had access to all of the U.S. government’s most sensitive intelligence related to the pandemic. My informed opinion is that the lab leak theory isn’t just a “possibility,” at the very least it is more like a probability, if not very close to a certainty.

More than 18 months after the virus first leaked into the world, I still have not seen a single shred of scientific evidence or intelligence that the virus outbreak was a naturally occurring “spillover” that jumped from an animal to a human”. -John Ratcliffe Ratcliffe then notes that the CCP has gone to great lengths to ensure there is no “smoking gun,” and in fact – “every piece of evidence I have seen points to the pandemic’s origin being a leak out of the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV).” The former DNI notes that classified intelligence has since been corroborated by public reporting with further details, yet “some in the media unwittingly helped the CCP in its disinformation efforts, dismissing the lab leak theory as a “conspiracy theory,” while Facebook affixed warnings of “false or misleading” to anyone who dared speak of it.”

Ratcliffe notes that before Trump left office, he tried to balance the need to protect intelligence gathering techniques with public disclosure – culminating in the State Department fact sheet which revealed that “several researchers inside the WIV became sick in autumn 2019, before the first identified case of the outbreak, with symptoms consistent with both Covid-19 and seasonal illnesses.”

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They could all have done this months ago, especially Pelosi, but also AOC.

AOC Calls Fellow Democrats “Cowards” On The Eviction Moratorium (JTN)

New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is calling fellow Washington Democrats “cowards” for failing to extend a moratorium on evicting Americans during the pandemic, which after roughly 8 months of protection has put a reported 11 million Americans in jeopardy of losing shelter. “The House and House leadership had the opportunity to vote to extend the moratorium and there was, frankly, a handful of conservative Democrats in the House that threatened to get on planes rather than hold this vote,” Cortez said Sunday on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “We have to call a spade a spade. We cannot in good faith blame the Republican Party when House Democrats have a majority.”

The White House has said it didn’t have the authority to extend the moratorium past August 31 and asked Congress to address the issue legislatively. The House vote failed Friday. The Democrat-controlled Senate has yet to vote on the matter, but likely also does not have the votes. Ocasio-Cortez, is the official leader of House Democrats’ so-called squad, the conference’s most progressive wing. Fellow squad members Reps. Cori Bush, of Missouri, Ilhan Omar, of Minnesota, and Ayanna Pressley, of Massachusetts, all slept just outside of the Capitol building this past weekend to protest the end of the ban.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi along with other key Democrat leaders have sent a letter to the White House asking it to make the order instead of Congress because they did not have the votes needed. “It is clear that the Senate is not able to [extend the ban], and any legislation in the House, therefore, will not be sufficient,” the letter reads. “Action is needed, and it must come from the administration.” The Senate is still in session, but the House is now out for the remainder of the summer. However, House members may be called back in to pass the $1 trillion infrastructure bill.

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“—Wait, Nevermind, Seems They Gave Up All Their Guns”

Australians Getting Ready To Overthrow Tyrannical Government (BBee)

Reports are coming in from the land down under that the people of Australia are getting ready to overthrow their tyrannical government—oh wait, they actually gave up all their guns. Amid the fears over the Delta strain of the virus, armed military members were patrolling the streets to make sure people were all at their correct address while helicopters and drones circled overhead to order people to go back inside if they ventured out at all in what the nation could only describe as some Orwellian nightmare. Many Aussies decided it was time to do something about the situation. “Blimey, this right here is a dog’s breakfast! No blokes gone walkabout since they brought in the military to cover us, shrimp on a barbie,” said a man who simply goes by Croc.


An American translator was found who told us that what Croc was saying was that the entire continent nation of 25 million people was living under martial law with no end in sight because a little over 900 people had died from coronavirus throughout the pandemic. “We were totally fed up with this and were all set to tell them Blokes and Sheilas to right buzz off, but then we remembered that we let the government have all our guns already,” Croc continued somberly. At publishing time, Australians were asking the aboriginals if they had any of those cool dart guns or at least some bevvies to make it through the lockdowns.

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  • #82190
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    But I don’t like the idea that because we have “given up” our guns, then we have gone into captivity. Most people here don’t want a gun culture; this is our cultural choice and should be respected. Outsiders criticise us for being subservient and not independent enough. Not at all: we are a surprisingly patient and enduring lot, willing to put up with a certain level of abuses and insults for a better outcome.

    One of the few things I know about “Oz” is that the majority of the population lives in cities that are clustered on the temperate coastlines, which is something that makes it fairly unique. So I’m thinking that people shouldn’t expect it to be like the US, the UK, Russia, China, or whomever.

    #82191
    Archie
    Participant

    @TDK

    Thanks for posting the Bloomberg editorial. A new narrative is forming.

    #82192
    John Day
    Participant

    @MC Whammer:
    Archduke Ferdinand was visiting Ft. Detrick, Maryland, in late spring 2019, when…

    #82193
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    John Day

    I rather enjoy Hudson’s brand of fiery religious conservatism as he expresses it although I’m on the other side. He needs large massive institutions to ease his secular aches; I like a few wee books and a whispering wind. He’s no G.K. Chesterton but that’s good because he is a great Hudson.

    He’s one of this kind:

    ^&*

    ezlxa1949

    I suppose it’s more about the quality of officially armed minions and the population they serve, with weapons et al being a distraction from the real issue of power.

    #82194
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “Archduke Ferdinand was visiting Ft. Detrick, Maryland, in late spring 2019, when…”

    Real footage from Fort Detrick’s biology lab campus

    God, that looks yummy.

    #82195
    those darned kids
    Participant

    órale, tae summary. i didn’t think anybody would notice my levels of government. just excellent optimizations.

    bravo.

    #82196
    those darned kids
    Participant

    archie: i use some kind of “reader” plug in with my browser. it strips away all the gunk, leaving just text. and, conveniently, this plug in often jumps the paywall.

    #82197
    those darned kids
    Participant

    germ: “We’re gonna need a third arm!”

    that’s what the vaccines are for. just wait. they’ll be sprouting soon, right from the left shoulder.

    #82198
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    tdk: aye, ypur gov categories were lucidly apposite.

    #82199
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    The Atlantic and The New York Times weigh in on the Sputnik-V-like Novavax Covid vaccine. I consider this of interest because if any of us find ourselves in the position of being strongly compelled to get vaxxed, this one will probably be the one least likely by far to kill you or disable you for the rest of your life.

    #82200
    oxymoron
    Participant

    My dad – (shithead – took off when I was three, wants to be friends 45 years later) anyway … My dad (2 shots AZ) says – ‘you are an idiot if you think this vaccine is experimental – thay have been working on Corona Virus vaccines for at least a decade’

    Bad Genes – can’t be it – I now believe in nurture over nature! Mum is cool AND gave us roof, food, everything else – on ya mum.

    #82201
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Wow, Daddy Dearest sure knows how to make an overture after being gone and unheard from for almost half a century!

    #82202
    russellnblbs
    Participant

    @Oxy yeah my in-laws said the same to me. I replied with ‘yeah they have, and the reason they have never been approved is that they have never passed the safety trials due to the unfortunate fact that the test animals all died’. Cue silence.

    #82203
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Ex-contractor jailed for leaking US drone attack secrets

    Daniel Everette Hale, 33, worked as an Air Force intelligence officer developing targets for drone strikes in Afghanistan in 2011-2012, an experience he said left him emotionally scarred.

    After leaving military service, in 2014 he worked for a defense contractor for eight months which gave him access to top secret documents detailing the US government’s secretive drone assassinations in Yemen, Afghanistan and Somalia.

    July 27, 2021·2 min read
    A former intelligence analyst was sentenced Tuesday to 45 months in prison for leaking secrets about the US military’s drone attacks that were the basis of a powerful 2015 news expose.

    Daniel Everette Hale, 33, worked as an Air Force intelligence officer developing targets for drone strikes in Afghanistan in 2011-2012, an experience he said left him emotionally scarred.

    After leaving military service, in 2014 he worked for a defense contractor for eight months which gave him access to top secret documents detailing the US government’s secretive drone assassinations in Yemen, Afghanistan and Somalia.

    He fed the documents to The Intercept news outlet, which used them for an eight-part series that shook the administration of president Barack Obama, raising broader questions about the increase in drone strikes and the killing of innocent non-combatants.

    #82204
    WES
    Participant

    Obama said he was was very good at drone killing. His dead had no say in their deaths. Only he had any say.

    #82205
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    There’s no departure from the strict punishment of whistleblowers. They’re doubling down, like their partners in crime, China, on suppression. It won’t do them any good.

    #82209
    those darned kids
    Participant

    i wonder if jeffrey epstein will be at mr. obama’s birthday shindig this year…

    martha’s vineyard is named after a relative of an original saxon conquistador. i therefore propose changing the name to something more appropriate for our times, solgell island.

    [insert link to “solgell island” from a godzilla fandom page]

    #82210
    those darned kids
    Participant

    i know abdulrahman al-awlaki won’t be at the party.

    #82211
    those darned kids
    Participant

    and remember…

    spikey the jab reminds you that only you can prevent covid outbreaks.

    #82212
    Archie
    Participant

    Well, that was quick.

    FDA Reportedly Hopes To Fully Approve Pfizer’s Covid Vaccine By Labor Day

    Part 2 of the new narrative.

    #82213
    Archie
    Participant

    Tag-team propaganda right out in the open.

    #82115
    deflationista
    Participant

    “Those who know, don’t say. Those who say, don’t know.” That quote changed things for me. I used to be an active participant here and in other forums like this way back in the day. Jay Hanson and I used to go back and forth. (You wanna talk about a flaming liberal? Jay was your guy.) For a while there, even Kunstler was involved. But, when I heard that quote… man. It stopped me in my tracks. It kind of made sense. What the fuck did I know? And why was I saying so much? I ended my ‘career’ as a full time participant in these types of forums. Which leads me to another concept. “We don’t know what we don’t know.” That’s right boys and girls- your friends and mine- Dunning and Kruger. Hand in hand, these two concepts seem to flourish in these spaces. We have a bunch of “experts” saying things. Apparently, they “know” all sorts of shit. But what they don’t know is, they don’t know what they don’t know. Capiche? Typically, the dominant personalities take over. The better writers keep posting. If you have both attributes, look out! But for most people in these forums, they get intimidated. They try to raise their hands and make a comment or pipe in with an opinion only to be swatted back in line by the established pecking order. That’s how these forums tend to settle. Hell, that’s how things settle in real life. Most people just end up lurking- head down, lips zipped. I mean, look what happened when I came here to raise a red flag about information that apparently is taken as true by the general AE populace. You all get ruffled feathers. You attack this Yuri dude as if he is some agent planted to disseminate vaccine propaganda. I mean, someone insinuated I was a plant by the CIA or the NSA and it was only a matter of time before ‘a person like me’ shows up. That’s a common response these darkened days when people say things that run counter to your precious narrative. I didn’t even know who Yuri was until the day I watched that video. Who the fuck cares what his credentials are? That somehow negates his analysis of shitty data used by ivermectin and anti-vax propagandists? If credentials are so important, then what the fuck are yours? I found a great About Us page today on a blog called Skeptical Raptor. They suggest credentials don’t really matter: “Mr. Andrew Wakefield presumably attended medical school, and he perpetrated one of the largest medical frauds in the history of mankind. Linus Pauling won two Nobel Prizes, yet wrote pseudoscientific books about vitamin C, which has no effect on cancer or colds. Tetyana Obukhanych has a Ph.D. in immunology, and she hasn’t written one accurate thing about vaccines. The only thing that matters is evidence, not false authority.” Some person suggested that I am a sucker for big government or big pharma. Someone considers me to be a sheep who is “selling pro-covid firewater”. What the fuck does that even mean? What the fuck is going on in this world? And then ironically enough, I see some commentary in someone’s post suggesting, and rightfully so, that QAnon (and I am paraphrasing), is “out there”? Oh, theeey’re out there? But the weird narratives being spun here are….. perfectly acceptable?! Makes sense! Does anyone ever examine their own biases? Their own personal flavor of conspiracy? Maybe being in these echo chambers might not be conducive to open dialogue afterall? Maybe they don’t allow new ideas to penetrate the hardened shell? Just wondering out loud. I see it as a devolving feedback loop that eventually hones the community into a homogenous sort of groupthink. Does anyone consider how they may be Dunning-Kruger’s latest sucker? Are you one of those who knows? Or one of those who says? Something is surely afoot in this god forsaken country where even critical thinking is frowned upon as long as it ain’t critical of the agreed upon narrative. And ‘madame whoever’ hit on it earlier when she said that the “sides have been drawn” or something like that and nothing will change that. She got that right, by god. I came here to post a little teeny tiny bit of needed push back on articles and graphics emanating from people like Kory, Lawrie, Weinstein, FLCCC, BiRD. I started to see people like Raul and Nicole, people I consider my mentors, post these things more and more, without even the slightest sniff of disclaimer. Apparently this shit is real and everyone knows it! I have friends sharing those same exact graphics and YouTube interviews on their social media platforms. My friends fell right into every goddamn trap set by the antivax, antiliberal campaign. Kristin is unapproachable at this point. Like some wild animal hybrid of a honey badger and Marjorie Taylor Greene. She is completely lost in a world dominated by dumb right wing memes and hateful groupthink. She is the ultimate antivaxxer. Well, only until you consider my friend Karen, who makes Kristin look like Linus fucking Pauling. Karen’s kid won’t be going to college because her school of choice requires a covid shot. I get it. I do. I can see taking a stand. But Karen’s kid doesn’t have any vaccines. Neither do Kristin’s kids. Walking freely in society living on the immunity provided by others, kinda like the welfare leeches they like to complain about. Both are deep in the rabbit hole of believing that Fauci is pure, unadulterated evil. Satan incarnate. Just like Bill Gates, except Bill Gates is worse! That’s because Bill is attempting to depopulate the planet, so he and Fauci developed the virus, and the vaccine to cure it, so that they could not only kill some people right off, but then track the survivors through microchips floating in the covid vaccines. Never mind that both Kristin and Karen carry a fucking cell phone everywhere they go and have been tracked by the NSA for like 20 years now. They use the same phrases I have heard here like “Great Reset” or “Big Purge”. You see that language used in a lot of places these days. Funny thing that none of them seem to consider, just for entertainment purposes, is that maybe the global elites did indeed create the virus to kill off some of the overflow- what with overpopulation and resource depletion, and the coming climate crisis. What better way to cull the herd? But maybe instead of the vaccine being a poison to kill you, it actually serves as a lifeboat of sorts. They knew damn well who would and who wouldn’t take the jab. And looking at the demographics of who actually is and who isn’t getting jabbed, maybe their plan is going according to plan? Maybe conservatives, blacks, and latinos should call their bluff? Maybe you are the one’s being purged? At least though, you’ll die free. Libs owned! High five! It might make a good sci-fi novel. But I digress. You could see the looney wave coming from a mile away. Look at Jim Kunstler fer chrissakes. Are you kidding me? If you think that this man has not changed over the years, you either just started reading him, or you are just as far down the same rabbit hole that he is. I love the guy. Don’t get me wrong. But my man started to repeat similar editorials that he must have been hearing on Fox News. In an almost completely transparent way, almost word for word. I could watch Fox during the week, and then read Jim on Friday, and know exactly where he got his “talking points” for his essays. I admit that I slid down the same holes. It’s a slippery slope for sure. Look at Glenn Greenwald. Even Matt Taibi. You should read Nate Robinson’s new article on how these two slid down that hole over the last several years. I don’t agree with everything Nate Robinson says, but goddamn, he tapped into a sentiment that I know I’m not alone in feeling. But Nate saved the receipts.

    Seems like old Donald really did a number on the mindset of this country. It’s like he turned on a light in a hot Phoenix apartment in the middle of the night. Roaches that we never knew existed, it turns out, were everywhere. It was fucking refreshing to have someone not give a shit about what he said, or how he said it. Grab ‘em by the pussy didn’t even phase anyone. Me too. I mean, me neither. I was so damn tired and I wasn’t going to take it anymore. Nothing phased us. He wasn’t a typical politician, we said. He is not a fascist, we said. He loves America, we said. And the whole Russian BS really sealed the deal for a lot of people. I think that’s when Kunstler really started losing his footing in the rabbit hole. He slipped in the mud, and just kept on sliding. There were times over the last several years where you could not differentiate between Jim’s Monday or Friday rants and Hannity’s nightly editorials. I know. It’s no biggy if that’s the case. But what was a big deal for me was knowing that my dude- my man- Jim fucking Kunstler, drank some sort of alt-right Kool-Aid. He was now just some weird, smarter clone of Mark Levin or Kurt Schlichter. He lost his essence. He lost his life force and became just another stale voice in a shallow sea of crackers. Just like Glenn Greenwald. Just like Matt Taibi. They morphed into something akin to catty sorority girls who got butt hurt that they weren’t invited to Delta Chi’s homecoming party and now just can’t let it go. But there is a hard edge to their commentary. A meanness. A real honest to god hatred for establishment liberal figures and policies. It gurgles from their depths like the slow, early boil of a thick tar. It seemed that they just couldn’t help but lose themselves to it. Like the power of Mordor. Or as if they were bitten by some walker before Rick Grimes could chop its head off. Now, they seem fully turned, unable to come back to the world of the living. Trapped in some darkened hologram of reality consisting of heavy revenge and mean tweets. What a sad turn of events. We need those fresh voices. The voices that bashed everyone equally for being tools of the system. Now Jim and Glenn and a lot of you here just bash in one direction. As if the side your bashing from isn’t a gigantic part of the problem. Somehow tough guys and gals everywhere are OK worshiping an effeminate elitist prig who, and this I promise, hates you more than he hates a steady breeze or Adam “Shifty” Schiff. He loathes his followers. He loathes you. I promise. Think about it. Nicole Foss used to be part of this beautiful place. Trump ended that. But many here probably think of her the same way you think of me- some snowflake liberal tool who does the bidding of the big government establishment. Someone who needs to be discounted because they haven’t eaten the right color pill. And the same does apply in the other direction. The “other” is always part of some odd conspiracy it seems. Remember when Jim used to stress the fact that he is allergic to conspiracies? I just had to throw that in. Raylan Givens had a great quote in the TV show Justfied: “If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you’re the asshole.” Maybe something to think about.

    I loathe liberals. Maybe more than I loathe whatever the fuck the right has become. Liberals are more insidious because they pretend to care. Cons just don’t bother pretending. Someone earlier thanked this forum for steering them to a red state to live. Oh yeah? Good luck with that. I live in the reddest of all states. It ain’t Texas. My state makes Texas look like fucking Cuba. My state has a bunch of Karens and Kristins running around in it and a bunch of other morons who don’t have a pot to piss in and think that libruls lurk around every corner trying to take their freedumbs. A BLM peaceful protest happened last year in my state where families with kids and signs came out in solidarity with George Floyd, and what happened next really made me take pause. Hundreds of armed “patriots”, some wearing Nazi tats and garb surrounded, intimidated, and assaulted peaceful protesters. People were hit with flag poles, punched in the back of their heads, other people (women) were pushed down stairs, racist things were screamed over a megaphone. It was like a preview of what some of us saw those tourists doing at the Capitol on Jan 6th. I’ll tell you. I am so fucking tired of the dumbness of America. Blue State America is D.U.M.B. Red State America is D.U.M.B.E.R. We are dumb all over, just like Zappa said. And a little ugly on the side. I was able to find my footing during the pandemic. I was sliding down the same slippery slopes as many of you, Kunstler, Greenwald, etc., but the excruciating dumbness on display this last year just snapped me out of whatever trance I was under and I started climbing out of that dark, muddy hole. Take Ivermectin for a fake virus! <Wait, what?>…. Vaccine makes you infertile! <Oh no>…. Dr. Fauci is evil! <Ok, but…>… Bill Gates is eviler! <Wow, I had no idea>… Ivermectin cures covid 100%! <Holy shit! Why is it censored?>… Hydroxychloroquin works!… There are microchips in the vaccine! <Are you sure?>…. The vaccine is more dangerous than covid! <FUCK!>…. You become magnetized if you get the shot! <HOLY SHIT!>…. Demon sperm!…. There are no excess deaths from covid! <Wait, noone died?>…. Alien DNA is being used in medicine!…. Inject some bleach, you say? “We oughta look into that, Brownie… You’re doin a heckuva job”….. Oh wait, I got my decades mixed up. Really people. Get a grip. We had a White Coat Summit of Donald’s favorite doctors for god’s sake. Do you know how stupid you have to be to believe some of this shit? I’m sorry. But this is lunacy. We ain’t wrapped tight.

    Not everyone, especially your normal everyday sciencey type, is out to get you or in on some deep, centuries long conspiracy. If scientific consensus doesn’t confirm your bias, you don’t just disregard it as some nonsense propaganda. Just because someone is a doctor, doesn’t mean they can’t be bat shit crazy. Just think of Trump’s favorite- Dr. Stella Immanuel. You should question your own beliefs, especially the one’s you hold dearest. They are often the one’s that you got all wrong somewhere along the line. And I would definitely question any data or claim you hear from Kory, Lawrie, etc. It just ain’t science. It’s kind of creepy even. Why wouldn’t you want to have all available data? I’ve got no skin in the game other than the fact that their claims and methodology are so blatantly skewed that I just want to see them answer for it.

    Thanks for reading this long rambling rant. I am taking care of my mom who is dying of Stage IV leiomyosarcoma so I have a lot of time to write and reflect. It’s a damn sad state of affairs here. Life is too short to let your mind calcify into hate and cynicism and conspiracy. I am speaking to myself. And maybe you too. But, don’t listen to me. I just don’t know. Do you?

    #82215
    those darned kids
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    well, since i scroll up, i haven’t read the rest yet, but, all my best wishes to you, deflationista, and to your mom, and any family and friends going through such a trying time.

    #82216
    V. Arnold
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    #82217
    those darned kids
    Participant

    why don’t you want ivermectin to work?

    i don’t know about others, but i question the safety of the vaccines because i have seen four different people end up in the hospital, including my father who spent 2 weeks in the hospital with “pneumonia” shortly after his injections.

    another man had a stroke, a 19 year-old boy spent the night for observation because of extreme pain, and another fellow’s heart issues suddenly came back after many years.

    anecdotes, and so, what can i prove? it’s always just another coincidence.

    honestly, would you buy a car that was associated with (anecdotally, self-reportedly) 12,000 reports of death in its first year.

    #82218
    Mr. House
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    long rambling screed hard to make any sense of, hates both sides, bottom line take the jab. Thanks you’ve convinced me.

    #82219
    ctbarnum
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    @deflationista

    After reading that long screed that seems to summarize your view that most alternative writers have “gone to the dark side,” what about Caitlin Johnstone? Has she gone crazy too? She’s said nothing about COVID the past 18 months while her country fell further and further down the rabbithole of totalitarianism, but now she has had the courage to connect the dots. Is she “crazy” now?

    “The sane way to counteract the public distrust that’s been caused by generations of lies, wars and depravity would be a tremendous increase in transparency, accountability and contrition on the part of those institutions, showing the public that they have changed and are working to become more trustworthy. So naturally what we are seeing is vaccine mandates in New York City, pundits calling for forced injections, and soldiers policing the streets of Sydney.”

    The problem. Sane is not happening.

    https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/after-russiagate-why-wouldnt-people

    This time is not like any other we have seen in our lifetimes, but parallels to the past are too noticeable. Medicine has been at the forefront of quite a few great advances, but also a good many crimes using “research” as their justification. One of those possible stories is me (count me as not a fan of Johns Hopkins, but it’s a long story), however, I’ve always been on the line as to whether what happened was a crime or an advance that helped succeeding generations of children avoid the life I have. That said, I am not going to jump into another experiment “for science” when the evidence shows the risks outweigh the benefits. I feel for your situation, however, there is a reason we have agreements such as the Nuremburg Code and the Belmont Report, it’s so we can say NEVER AGAIN. And here we are, pick a side. You can either say never again, or it’s okay again. Just remember, the same people who told us in 2001 there was reason to torture the “other” are the same people who view COVID as a reason to limit the sovereignty of the new “other.” Your choice. Pick a side.

    #82228
    those darned kids
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    excellent, ct.

    #82229
    Mister Roboto
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    Well, all I have to say is, there are three billion more people on the planet now than there were when I moved into the freshman dorms of the University of Wisconsin in Madison in 1986, and by 1994 after I had graduated, I realized that the pattern would continue until we hit a very hard cinderblock wall, that we would do everything in our power to make the impact as harsh as it could be because that’s just the way this country has always been, and that nothing was going to save us from this fate.

    However, realizing this makes me rather less than rather more predisposed to take what the establishment is telling me at face value, especially seeing as how this creeping totalitarianism is at odds with how the modern world has dealt with pandemics in the past. That has me wondering what else might be going on. If it’s official narratives you want, there’s plenty of that from the likes of The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Atlantic, The New Yorker, and countless other publications and broadcasts. It’s puzzling to me that you would be all butthurt that we don’t like seeing our tiny little island of rational inquiry and speculation (certainly often tinged with bitter emotions about the encroaching madness of “The New Normal”) infected with the telescreen’s goodthinkfulness.

    And if some people like Kunstler, who after all is a Boomer with one foot in the proverbial grave (not wishing harm or demise upon him, mind you), want to use questioning and challenging “The New Normal” as an excuse to drink Trumpster Kool-Aid because they don’t like Draq Queen Story-Reading Hour at the local library or whatever, yeah, that’s eye-rolling.
    But as long as civil libertarian constitutional representative government remains endangered by what’s happening now, I am probably not going to care about that as much as you seem to think I should. And I’m sorry you have to live with what sounds like the worst kind of intolerant rednecks. Perhaps that may give you some idea how we feel hearing all this talk that we should either be coerced into taking an experimental injection that has killed way more people than any instituted vaccine ever has or have our rights curtailed for refusing to take it.

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    Mister Roboto
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    #82236
    jgomz
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    @deflacionista – you should take you own advice and check the counter-arguments to the video you posted, because Yury’s arguments habe been teared down not only on the data, but also on the logic. Please suit yourself reading some of the critiques. Ey, I thought Yuri welcomed challenges on the data!
    Some examples-
    He claims to disprove that ivm is 100% effective. I can do that too, as I never heard anyware (and never saw the famous podcast) that number. What is clear as day is that ivm combined with other cheap treatments can elimitate 100% sure the threat of this pandemic all over the world for good. He stress the same fallacy as all other shills : “not proven in high quantities or over the long term”. Tip for you, damned Kory don’t recommend ivm in high quantities or over the long term, and the “end the pandemic” thing stil holds.

    The thing those dangerous doctors are pushing is not “ivm or hcq”, but “early treatment”. The gall.

    Yuri? he didn’t mention vitamin D and other promising treatments; it smells a lot as “I want to discredit these people and ivm specifically, they told me so”. How do you explain otherwise that other combinations for treatments are not adressed by Yuri? From the other side, how do you explain that in 25 countries the early treatment for covid (official and published policy) is “no treatment”? Is this not enough for you to suspect?

    Again, on the logic of Yuri’s arguments… Vit.D, Curcumin, HCQ or IVM are SAFE. Let me repeat, SAFE, at the doses approved for other ailments. Proven beyond any doubt. How can Yuri (or you for than matter) that replacing “no treatment” with “do something” with them in early treatment is some kind of lunacy?
    Vaccines on the other side, may be effective and are proven of not being safe for a (TINY TINY) number of people, and Yuri have no problem with them. Right.

    All of that piece is really plagued with bias on “I dismiss this study because is flimsy or third-world-ish”, but “I prove to you I am right with this other (unsubstantiated and/or retracted) paper”. Absolutely full of that.
    Just try to apply the standard Yuri uses to praise the vaccines to, say Vit.D: It will look to you as the ultra-wonder drug of the century…
    Deflacionista, please, first *do no harm*.

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    jgomz
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    aagggh, lots of typos and broken english, sorry about that 🙁

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