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Why Is Pfizer Pushing An Untested Vaccine On Children? (TF)
Judge Orders Gov’t To Provide Evidence To Justify Vaccinating Children (TE)
Moderna: A Company “In Need Of A Hail Mary” (Whitney Webb)
Molnupiravir Was Made Possible By Government-funded Innovation (STAT)
Myocarditis Adverse Events in VAERS (SD)
Stop This NOW (Denninger)
The Cult of the Vaccine Neurotic (Taibbi)
The Problems With Censoring Doctors Over Their COVID-19 Stances (RCS)
Biden Keeps Pushing Nonexistent Worker Vaccine Mandate (CTH)
Poland’s Top Court Rules Polish Law Takes Presedence Over The EU (ZH)
Prosecution Of Alleged WikiLeaks Vault 7 Source Hits Multiple Roadblocks (Y!)

 

 

 

 

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“Boys between 16 and 19 years of age had the highest incidence of myocarditis after the second dose . . . The risk of heart problems in boys of that age was about nine times higher than in unvaccinated boys of the same age.”

Why Is Pfizer Pushing An Untested Vaccine On Children? (TF)

The face of Pfizer – Pfizer board member (and former FDA commissioner) Scott Gottlieb, MD – was on CBS Face the Nation today estimating the upcoming availability of the Pfizer vaccine for kids aged 5-11. His key quote: “The FDA has said the review is going to be a matter of weeks, not months. . . that could give you a vaccine by Halloween.” Perhaps more concerning is the fact that Gottlieb is confident Pfizer will get FDA approval. This concern is based on the questionable safety and effectiveness of the Pfizer vaccine for kids aged 5-11, as well as questions over whether there is a need for an emergency use authorization for that segment of the American population.

Pfizer tested the vaccine on a small sample of “2,268 participants 5 to <12 years of age.” Pfizer concluded that the results demonstrated “strong immune response in this cohort of children one month after the second dose.” Pay attention to that last part: “one month after the second dose.” Is that it – is Pfizer pushing this vaccine on children after just one month of efficacy data? (The benefit of the emergency use authorization – studies can be limited.) By now it’s clear this is Pfizer’s pattern: they say the vaccine’s “duration of protection” is “unknown” while data demonstrates its effectiveness wanes over time. Compare the Comirnaty Fact Sheet to the latest reporting on the Pfizer vaccine: One would rightfully assume that the effectiveness of the vaccine will wane in children as it has done in other populations.

One would also be correct to assume this is the rationale for Pfizer to submit its current (one month) data to the FDA, hoping for approval from its friends in government before its study group shows the vaccine has diminishing returns. All that has to do with effectiveness. Now we get to the question of safety. This has always been a pandemic of the oldest among us. According to CDC data, children aged 5-14 years-old have accounted for only 161 COVID-19 deaths since the start of the pandemic. In comparison, this same group has experienced 194 pneumonia deaths. To put these numbers into perspective, the CDC cites over 530,000 COVID-19 deaths for the ages 65 years and up. As New York Magazine observed, “The Kids Were Safe from COVID the Whole Time.”

Those numbers are important when we start to look at the necessity of a vaccine for kids. As with all vaccines, there is a cost-benefit analysis that must be made: do the benefits of the vaccine outweigh the cost? (This is something the FDA and CDC have drilled to the American public – that the benefits of the vaccines outweigh the costs.) Looking at the data, a 17 year-old teenager might properly disregard the vaccine while a 75 year-old might seriously consider it. This is expected. Considerations of costs and benefits get us to the safety of the vaccine for kids aged 5-12. Pfizer proudly announces the vaccine’s side effects for 5-12 year olds is “generally comparable to those observed in participants 16 to 25 years of age.” That’s not good. If you’ve been paying attention, you know why those numbers (ages 16-25) matter. It’s because young people – especially young men – in that age range have an increased risk of developing heart problems after the second Pfizer dose. The younger they are, the greater the risk: “Boys between 16 and 19 years of age had the highest incidence of myocarditis after the second dose . . . The risk of heart problems in boys of that age was about nine times higher than in unvaccinated boys of the same age.”

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“..since teens over the age of 15 had been given the Covid-19 vaccine deaths among the age group had increased by 47%..”

Judge Orders Gov’t To Provide Evidence To Justify Vaccinating Children (TE)

A Judge has ordered the UK Goverment to submit evidence that justifies Covid-19 vaccination of children, giving them a deadline of Monday 11th October. The order from The Hon. Mr Justice Jay is most welcome after we exclusively revealed Thursday 30th September that since teens over the age of 15 had been given the Covid-19 vaccine deaths among the age group had increased by 47% compared to the same period in 2020. We also then delved back into the Office for National Statistics data due to a suspicion we would find the majority of those deaths had been among teenage boys due to the risk of myocardtis, inflammation of the heart muscle, associated with the Pfizer vaccine and mainly occurring in younger males, as well as a correlation with a rise in emergency calls requesting an ambulance due to cardiac arrest, found in Public Health England data.

Unfortunately our fears were confirmed, as we exclusively revealed on Monday 4th October that deaths among teenage boys have increased by 63% in the UK since they started getting the Covid-19 vaccine. To add to that we then exclusively revealed on Tuesday 5th October that Chris Whitty’s decision to overrule the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation and advise the Government to offer the Covid-19 vaccine to all healthy secondary school children, has so far led to a 400% increase in deaths among male children compared to the same period in 2020. (See here) However, people have been fighting in court to overturn the decision of the Chief Medical Officer for England that children should be given an experimental Covid-19 injection, but unfortunately to no avail so far.


The ‘Covid-19 Assembly’ and lawyer Francis Hoar had an application for an urgent hearing to pause the Covid-19 roll-out to under 18’s denied for a second time on September 2nd. The Claimants had asked for just half a day for the Court to listen to oral argument to consider whether to pause the roll out of injections of experimental mRNA vaccine technology, producing increasing reports of clotting and other adverse effects including death, still under emergency authorisation and never before given to humans, to the whole of the healthy population of children aged 12-17. The Court’s view was that to delay consideration of the Claimants’ application for 14 days to allow the government to prepare its response was not in fact a refusal. However, that delay had the practical effect of denying the urgent relief sought and left the full resources and machinery of the state to be put into gear.

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“..without the approval of its booster, which has caused great controversy even among the country’s top vaccine officials, Moderna faces a massive financial reckoning.”

Moderna: A Company “In Need Of A Hail Mary” (Whitney Webb)

Not only did the COVID-19 crisis obliterate hurdles that had previously prevented Moderna from taking a single product to market, it also dramatically reversed the company’s fortunes. Indeed, from 2016 right up until the emergence of COVID-19, Moderna could barely hold it together, as it was shedding key executives, top talent, and major investors at an alarming rate. Essentially, Moderna’s promise of “revolutionizing” medicine and the remarkable salesmanship and fund-raising capabilities of the company’s top executive, Stéphane Bancel, were the main forces keeping it afloat. In the years leading up to the COVID-19 crisis, Moderna’s promises—despite Bancel’s efforts—rang increasingly hollow, as the company’s long-standing penchant for extreme secrecy meant that—despite nearly a decade in business—it had never been able to definitively prove that it could deliver the “revolution” it had continually assured investors was right around the corner.

This was compounded by major issues with patents held by a hostile competitor that threatened Moderna’s ability to turn a profit on anything it might manage to take to market, as well as major issues with its mRNA delivery system that led them to abandon any treatment that would require more than one dose because of toxicity concerns. The latter issue, though largely forgotten and/or ignored by media today, should be a major topic in the COVID-19 booster debate, given that there is still no evidence that Moderna ever resolved the toxicity issue that arose in multi-dose products.

In this first installment of a two-part series, the dire situation in which Moderna found itself immediately prior to the emergence of COVID-19 is discussed in detail, revealing that Moderna—very much like the now disgraced company Theranos—had long been a house of cards with sky-high valuations completely disconnected from reality. Part 2 will explore how that reality would have come crashing down sometime in 2020 or 2021 were it not for the advent of the COVID-19 crisis and Moderna’s subsequent partnership with the US government and the highly unusual processes involving its vaccine’s development and approval. Despite the emergence of real-world data challenging the claims that Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine is safe and effective, Moderna’s booster is being rushed through by some governments, while others have recently banned the vaccine’s use in young adults and teens due to safety concerns.

As this two-part series will show, safety concerns about Moderna were known well before the COVID crisis, yet they have been ignored by health authorities and the media during the crisis itself. In addition, in order to stave off collapse, Moderna must keep selling its COVID-19 vaccine for years to come. In other words, without the approval of its booster, which has caused great controversy even among the country’s top vaccine officials, Moderna faces a massive financial reckoning. While the COVID-19 crisis threw the company a lifeboat, the administration of its COVID-19 vaccine, in which the US government has now invested nearly $6 billion, must continue into the foreseeable future for the bailout to be truly successful.

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Yup, it’s a horse drug. Priceless.

Barron’s behind paywall:
Beware of the new Merck drug: Wall Street Cheered Merck’s Covid Pill. Some Scientists Are Highlighting Its Potential Dangers. Researchers say the drug could integrate itself into patients’ DNA, theoretically leading to cancer. Merck says its tests show that isn’t an issue.

Molnupiravir Was Made Possible By Government-funded Innovation (STAT)

The story behind molnupiravir is intriguing and a testament to government-funded innovation. Molnupiravir, also known as EIDD-2801 or MK-4482, came out of Drug Innovation Ventures at Emory (DRIVE), a not-for-profit LLC owned by Emory University. It had previously demonstrated broad-spectrum activity against other viruses such as influenza, Ebola, and the Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus. The work goes back to 2004, when Emory researchers were studying a related compound known as EIDD-1931/NHC. Before it was tested for Covid-19, EIDD-2801 had accrued millions of dollars of federal funding. In 2019, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) gave the Emory Institute for Drug Development a $16 million contract to test the drug for influenza.

It had previously garnered funding from several other NIAID grants, as well as funding from the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA), as disclosed by Emory. When attention turned to Covid-19, Emory received pledges of more than $30 million from NIAID and the Department of Defense to cover development of the drug. Jumping on an opportunity to develop a promising drug therapy for Covid-19, Ridgeback Biotherapeutics licensed the drug from DRIVE in March 2020. Ridgeback was founded by Wayne and Wendy Holman, both former investment managers. Within just three months, Ridgeback licensed worldwide rights for EIDD-2801 for Covid-19 to Merck, for which Ridgeback received an undisclosed upfront payment plus milestone payments and shared profits.

But before signing on with Merck, Ridgeback had tried to negotiate a deal with the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA), one that was specifically mentioned in the explosive whistleblower complaint by Rick Bright, the former director of BARDA. In his complaint, Bright wrote that George Painter, the CEO of the Emory Institute for Drug Development, and Ridgeback cofounder Wendy Holman sought a contract first from ASPR Next and then from BARDA to develop EIDD-2801 for $100 million, and they personally lobbied the authority to get more financial aid. BARDA denied the request due to a lack of adequate documentation for the request. Even before 2020, Bright had been reluctant to give BARDA funding to EIDD-2801, saying they already had $30 million of support from NIAID and the Department of Defense.

Merck eventually backed Ridgeback and took on development of the drug. Molnupiravir then received even more federal funding: In September 2021, BARDA procured 1.7 million courses of the five-day regimen for $1.2 billion, or $700 per treatment course.

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Exhaustive study by Jessica Rose and Peter McCullough.

Myocarditis Adverse Events in VAERS (SD)

The fact that the VAERS reporting of myocarditis is 6X higher in 15-year-olds following dose 2 may be indicative of a cause-effect relationship. If we assume that following dose 1, a certain percentage of healthy young males who lack co-morbidities or co-factors experience cardiac-related AEs mild enough so as not to dissuade them from receiving dose 2 (ie: pallor, chest pain and shortness of breath, for example), then it is not difficult to imagine that they may have been experiencing symptoms of myocarditis. If a percentage of young males had experienced primary damage to the heart as a result of inflammation following dose 1, then dose 2 may have induced a much more noticeable clinical impact, or cardiac ‘insult’.


In other words, these young males may receive a definitive diagnosis of myocarditis only following dose 2. What this implies, based on these assumptions, is that if there is a causal relationship then it might manifest with overlooked/unreported AEs following dose 1 and a diagnosis of myocarditis following dose 2. It is noteworthy that ‘Vaccine-induced myocarditis’ was in fact used as the descriptor by medical professionals as the reason for the myocarditis in the VAERS database. During phase III clinical trials for the mRNA COVID-19 products, safety was assessed based on a maximum observation period of 6 months. This is not adequate to assess long-term safety outcomes as it is a requirement, even in an accelerated timeline setting, to spend up to 9 months in Phase III trials.

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Karl’s take on that study.

Stop This NOW (Denninger)

VAERS is known to materially under-report adverse events. We do not know what the multiplication factor for these findings is as a consequence of that. Note that in the context of all prior years this basically never happens statistically. The average over the three previous years associated with any vaccination is four. Further, an extraordinary level of cardiac adverse events are associated with these jabs. This is not uncommon or “rare” as claimed; there are in fact, as of July 9th, nearly 130,000 such reports for Covid-19 jabs. If we accept the CDC’s numbers for the number of Americans jabbed this puts the rate of cardiac adverse events are right around one in a hundred! What’s nasty is that while the myocarditis incidence is skewed heavily toward males under 30 the cardiac incidence is not; it is centered in the 20-70 range, or roughly “right up the middle” for the people in the nation as a whole.

Indeed, given the known under-reporting in VAERS a 1-in-100 incidence for a category of serious adverse events is extraordinarily significant. There is every reason to believe we may be causing cardiac injury to as many as one in 25 people who get these shots! Whether those injuries spontaneously resolve without permanent compromise or worse, degenerate progression is completely unknown as nobody is following up these individual cases to measure blood levels (e.g. troponins, EKGs, etc.) in an attempt to determine whether these events are transient or result in permanent impairment or worse. “The only way to understand how common myocarditis is after COVID-19 vaccination, is to perform a prospective cohort study where all vaccinated individuals undergo clinical assessment, ECG, and troponin measurement at regular intervals post-administration.”

Which is not being done, on purpose. Incidentally the markers indicating potential trouble were present in the original studies. They were not followed up and the reason for not doing is obvious: It would have prevented issuance of the EUAs on the original desired schedule. As a result the firms involved and the FDA deliberately ignored that signal in the original studies and we have now jabbed somewhere around 200 million Americans — and may have screwed as many as several million of them with irreversible, or even worse degenerate cardiac damage. We do not know because we intentionally did not look. “COVID-19 injectable products are novel and have a genetic, pathogenic mechanism of action causing uncontrolled expression of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein within human cells. When you combine this fact with the temporal relationship of AE occurrence and reporting, biological plausibility of cause and effect, and the fact that these data are internally and externally consistent with emerging sources of clinical data, it supports a conclusion that the COVID-19 biological products are deterministic for the myocarditis cases observed after injection.”

Again, as we knew and as I have documented before these jabs were first released for widespread use — and again, deliberately ignored. While this paper describes a specific risk with regard to myocarditis in young people the larger issue of cardiac events must not be ignored. While it is certainly true that it in healthy young people the risk from Covid-19 infection itself is minuscule and thus appears on the data to be outweighed by the risks of the jab even without accounting for incomplete reporting in my opinion the 900lb Gorilla in the china shop does not simply lie there.

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It’s a sales job. Always has been.

The Cult of the Vaccine Neurotic (Taibbi)

Yesterday, I ran a story that had nothing to do with vaccines, about the seeming delay of the development of a drug called molnupiravir (see the above segment with the gracious hosts of The Hill: Rising for more). In the time it took to report and write that piece, conventional wisdom turned against the drug, which is now suspected of ivermectinism and other deviationist, anti-vax tendencies, in the latest iteration of our most recent collective national mania — the Cult of the Vaccine Neurotic. The speed of the change was incredible. Just a week ago, on October 1st, the pharmaceutical giant Merck issued a terse announcement that quickly became big news. Molnupiravir, an experimental antiviral drug, “reduced the risk of hospitalization or death” of Covid-19 patients by as much as 50%, according to a study.

The “first draft of history” stories that rushed out in the ensuing minutes and hours were almost uniformly positive. AP called the news a “potentially major advance in efforts to fight the pandemic,” while National Geographic quoted a Yale specialist saying, “Having a pill that would be easy for people to take at home would be terrific.” Another interesting early reaction came from Time: Vaccines will be the way out of the pandemic, but not everyone around the world is immunized yet, and the shots aren’t 100% effective in protecting people from getting infected with the COVID-19 virus. So antiviral drug treatments will be key to making sure that people who do get infected don’t get severely ill. This is what news looks like before propagandists get their hands on it. Time writer Alice Park’s lede was sensible and clear. If molnupiravir works — a big if, incidentally — it’s good news for everyone, since not everyone is immunized, and the vaccines aren’t 100% effective anyway. As even Vox put it initially, molnupiravir could “help compensate for persistent gaps in Covid-19 vaccination coverage.”

Within a day, though, the tone of coverage turned. Writers began stressing a Yeah, but approach, as in, “Any new treatment is of course good, but get your fucking shot.” A CNN lede read, “A pill that could potentially treat Covid-19 is a ‘game-changer,’ but experts are emphasizing that it’s not an alternative to vaccinations.” The New York Times went with, “Health officials said the drug could provide an effective way to treat Covid-19, but stressed that vaccines remained the best tool.” If you’re thinking it was only a matter of time before the mere fact of molnupiravir’s existence would be pitched in headlines as actual bad news, you’re not wrong: Marketwatch came out with “‘It’s not a magic pill’: What Merck’s antiviral pill could mean for vaccine hesitancy” the same day Merck issued its release. The piece came out before we knew much of anything concrete about the drug’s effectiveness, let alone whether it was “magic.”

Bloomberg’s morose “No, the Merck pill won’t end the pandemic” was released on October 2nd, i.e. one whole day after the first encouraging news of a possible auxiliary treatment whose most ardent supporters never claimed would end the pandemic. This article said the pill might be cause to celebrate, but warned its emergence “shouldn’t be cause for complacency when it comes to the most effective tool to end this pandemic: vaccines.” Bloomberg randomly went on to remind readers that the unrelated drug ivermectin is a “horse de-worming agent,” before adding that if molnupiravir ends up “being viewed as a solution for those who refuse to vaccinate,” the “Covid virus will continue to persist.”

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“Your hospital is reluctant to change their well-established protocols. Most of your intubated patients are dying. What do you do?”

The Problems With Censoring Doctors Over Their COVID-19 Stances (RCS)

Everyone has a right to their opinion. The question is: does everyone have a right to voice their opinion? Increasingly, in these strange times, it seems that we physicians have the right to voice only certain opinions, when it comes to discussing Covid-19. Wanting to hit the mute button on physicians who choose to challenge the public health narrative, especially in regard to vaccination for Covid-19, is understandably tempting. We carry a bit more authority than lawyers or statisticians when we share our thoughts about medical matters; and quite a few physicians seem to have little interest in toeing the party line. However, appealing as it might be to silence these voices, succumbing to the temptation of censorship might end up costing our society more than it gains.

Imagine this: you’re a physician in charge of opening an intensive care unit in New York City for Covid-19 patients in March 2020 as the disease is tearing through the city. You notice that the standard protocols your hospital follows for intubated patients seem to be failing, perhaps injuring, your patients with Covid-19. Rumblings from Chinese intensivists, and publications from Italian physician Luciano Gattitoni, imply that intubation and ventilator management should be reconsidered in this new disease. Your hospital is reluctant to change their well-established protocols. Most of your intubated patients are dying. What do you do? Dr Cameron Kyle-Sidell experienced this dilemma — and then posted a video on YouTube on March 31, 2020, watched nearly a million times, in which he described his experiences caring for Covid-19 patients in respiratory failure.

In the video, Kyle-Sidell shared that existing treatment protocols for patients with severe pneumonia did not seem to apply to Covid-19 patients with dangerously low oxygen levels — they could be intubated later, and their lungs were less stiff and required lower ventilation pressures, than typical severe pneumonia patients. His warning was part of an alarm that was raised by others, as well, which did indeed lead to a rapid shift in management of severely ill Covid-19 patients. He also ended up stepping down from his leadership of the ICU due to disagreement with hospital management; and some of those hundreds of thousands of viewers of his YouTube video concluded that his perhaps poorly-worded comparison of Covid-19 lung disease to high altitude sickness was cause to consider the pandemic a hoax.

Was Dr Kyle-Sidell a hero for sticking his neck out and challenging the prevailing dogma, in a sincere attempt to improve outcomes for severely ill Covid-19 patients? Or should his video have been censored, and perhaps his medical license threatened, for questioning the conventional narrative in ways that could be co-opted by conspiracy theorists?

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“..without an actual policy or regulation visibly in place, state attorneys general cannot file a lawsuit or request an injunction..”

Biden Keeps Pushing Nonexistent Worker Vaccine Mandate (CTH)

Joe Biden did it again today. A month after the first announcement, the White House occupant claimed again a Dept of Labor rule (via OSHA) is forthcoming, yet no such process appears to be taking place. This ploy now seems very purposeful, because without an actual policy or regulation visibly in place, state attorneys general cannot file a lawsuit or request an injunction. As long as Biden keeps threatening a DOL worker vaccination rule sometime in the future, many employers will take action to require worker vaccination. This seems to be the actual strategy; bolstered by White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki caught off-guard last week when asked about it. Psaki had no idea how to answer the question about any OSHA activity not taking place.

Obviously Psaki didn’t expect the question, but it was also obvious that no background conversation had ever taken place amid the White House communication team. Perhaps responding to an awakening on that issue, Joe Biden gave a speech today begging people to get vaccinated and again warning that a federal vaccine mandate for all workers was coming: TRANSCRIPT – […] The Labor Department is going to shortly issue an emergency rule — which I asked for several weeks ago, and they’re going through the process — to require all employees [employers] with more than 100 people, whether they work for the federal government or not — this is within a — in the purview of the Labor Department — to ensure their workers are fully vaccinated or face testing at least once a week. In total, this Labor Department vaccination requirement will cover 100 million Americans, about two thirds of all the people who work in America. These requirements work. […] And as the Business Roundtable and others told me when I announced the first requirement, that encouraged businesses to feel they could come in and demand the same thing of their employees.”

Biden then went on to praise companies who are doing it on their own. Others are starting to notice as this article in the Federalist notes: […] According to several sources, so far it appears no such mandate has been sent to the White House’s Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs yet for approval. The White House, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), and the Department of Labor haven’t released any official guidance for the alleged mandate. There is no executive order. There’s nothing but press statements. Despite what you may have been falsely led to believe by the media fantasy projection machine, press statements have exactly zero legal authority.

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“The primacy of constitutional law over other sources of law results directly from the Constitution of the Republic of Poland..”

Poland’s Top Court Rules Polish Law Takes Presedence Over The EU (ZH)

In a stinging rebuke to Europe’s unelected bureaucrats, and a major escalation in the rule of law crisis between Warsaw and Brussels, Poland’s constitutional court ruled on Thursday that Polish law can take precedence over EU law amid an ongoing dispute between the European bloc and the eastern European member state. The decision by the Constitutional Tribunal came after Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki requested a review of a decision by the EU’s Court of Justice (ECJ) that gave the bloc’s law primacy. Two out of 14 judges on the panel dissented from the majority opinion. “The attempt by the European Court of Justice to involve itself with Polish legal mechanisms violates … the rules that give priority to the constitution and rules that respect sovereignty amid the process of European integration,” the ruling said, in an outcome that could have wide-reaching consequences for Europe when the next crisis hits.

Meanwhile, Brussels considers the Constitutional Tribunal illegitimate due to the political influence imposed upon Poland’s judiciary by the ruling Law and Justice party (PiS). As the FT’s Henry Foy notes, it is “Hard to overstate the importance of this ruling.” He goes on to note that “Poland is *the* EU success story of eastern enlargement, and the biggest recipient – by a long long way – of EU taxpayer money since 2004. And now it is saying that it refuses to recognize a fundamental part of the whole project.” As DW reports, the court had looked specifically at the compatibility of provisions from EU treaties, which are used by the European Commission to justify having a say in the rule of law in member states, with Poland’s constitution.

A ruling by the ECJ in March said that the EU can force member states to disregard certain provisions in national law, including constitutional law. The ECJ says that Poland’s recently implemented procedure for appointing members of its Supreme Court amounts to a violation of EU law. The ruling from the ECJ could potentially force Poland to repeal parts of the controversial judicial reform. Meanwhile, the EU is withholding billions of euros of aid for post-pandemic rebuilding in Poland over concerns that the rule of law is being degraded in the country. “The primacy of constitutional law over other sources of law results directly from the Constitution of the Republic of Poland,” PiS government spokesman Piotr Muller wrote on Twitter after the court’s decision. “Today (once again) this has been clearly confirmed by the Constitutional Tribunal.”

However, the EPP group, the center-right bloc in the European Parliament to which PiS belongs, come out strongly against the court’s ruling: “It’s hard to believe the Polish authorities and the PiS Party when they claim that they don’t want to put an end to Poland’s membership of the EU. Their actions go in the opposite direction. Enough is enough,” Jeroen Lenaers, MEP and spokesperson for the group, said. “The Polish Government has lost its credibility. This is an attack on the EU as a whole,” he added. Previously, the European Parliament called on Morawiecki to cancel the court case in a resolution passed last month. It stressed the “fundamental nature of primacy of EU law as a cornerstone principle of EU law”, which however now is put in doubt.

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Scapegoat?

“Schulte, who had worked at an elite CIA hacking unit, said that whoever leaked the Vault 7 documents “deserved to be executed” and that “no traitors ever came from Texas”..”

Prosecution Of Alleged WikiLeaks Vault 7 Source Hits Multiple Roadblocks (Y!)

The prosecution of the former CIA operative accused of providing WikiLeaks with the biggest theft of agency documents in U.S. history continues to be mired in delays and legal issues, drawing out a painful chapter for the agency. WikiLeaks’ publication in 2017 of documents that included CIA hacking tools, which it called Vault 7, so enraged some senior officials, including then-CIA Director Mike Pompeo, that it sparked discussions within the agency and the Trump White House about kidnapping or even killing WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, according to a Yahoo News investigation. The first trial of Joshua Schulte, the former CIA programmer accused of transmitting the documents to WikiLeaks, ended in a hung jury in March 2020. (Schulte was, however, convicted of related minor charges and remains jailed.)

It was a stinging defeat for federal prosecutors in New York’s Southern District, who vowed to retry the former agency operative. The retrial, which has already been repeatedly postponed, was last scheduled for late October. In September, Schulte, who is now representing himself in court, asked for another delay. The parties are now supposed to confer on a new trial date by Nov. 1, as Inner City Press first reported, but it is unclear precisely when the alleged WikiLeaks source will face another jury. WikiLeaks began publishing Vault 7 documents in March 2017. The leak was “instantly devastating,” said the prosecutor in the case, causing “critical intelligence gathering operations all over the world” to come to “a crashing halt.” Agency investigators later called the leak “the largest data loss in CIA history.”

Before WikiLeaks began publishing the Vault 7 materials, the CIA had no idea they had even been taken. The leak set off a furious search for the culprit. The CIA would soon determine that the files had been stolen in the spring of 2016 by Schulte, a disgruntled agency employee who quit his job within the CIA four months before WikiLeaks began releasing Vault 7 materials. FBI officials, who code-named Schulte “Kinetic Piranha” or “Kinetic Panda,” confronted him in March 2017 in the New York City office lobby of his new employer, Bloomberg LP. In subsequent interviews with bureau officials, Schulte, who had worked at an elite CIA hacking unit, said that whoever leaked the Vault 7 documents “deserved to be executed” and that “no traitors ever came from Texas” (he is a native of Lubbock, Texas).

Schulte has continued to deny any wrongdoing. Interviewing him at a restaurant across from Grand Central Terminal, FBI agents presented Schulte with a grand jury subpoena and a separate subpoena to seize his phone. Bureau personnel then also executed a search warrant of his apartment. Schulte was first arrested in August 2017 after investigators said they had found “approximately ten thousand images and videos of child pornography” while searching his electronic devices. In June 2018, prosecutors charged him with providing the materials to WikiLeaks.

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    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle October 8 2021]

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    Watch “VAXXED 2” – same old, same old.
    Vaxxines injure people.

    https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/education/vaxxed2

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    ” Doctor on COVID Vax: “We Screwed-Up. We Didn’t Realize the Spike Protein Is a Toxin” Does This Mean Everyone Vaxinated Is Manufacturing Their Own Spike Protein Toxins in Their Own Bodies? ”

    Um – YES!

    Doctor on COVID Vax: “We Screwed-Up. We Didn’t Realize the Spike Protein Is a Toxin” Does This Mean Everyone Vaxinated Is Manufacturing Their Own Spike Protein Toxins in Their Own Bodies?

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    Luongo, very Luong. End of EU, gas and debt ceiling scams, Germany flips East as inevitable.

    European Energy Crisis — And is That Gas You Think You’re Burning?

    P.S. so far there is no energy crisis. There are morons who have voluntarily and purposefully shut off all present energy while having created no future (green) energy. Also in the news, China adds 39 nuke plants. And runs their coal plants flat out. Where’s Greta?

    Note to self: this would all work great if Deagel was right and some miracle accident depopulated all these Western nations while leaving all the capacity and infrastructure unharmed. Like a house cleaned for repossession. Then all our shut-down of food, energy, would have been amazingly prescient. …Another coincidence, I guess.

    However, it’s not, and they are about to hang/freeze/collapse for it.

    Back in we-made-our-bed-land, note that much of the U.S. gets their energy from trucks – yes that’s right – as propane and fuel oil deliveries are driven to rural houses and put into tanks. No trucks, no drivers = no heat, even if the fuel + price is available. (Also may need 110v electric to operate, for double the trouble)

    Walking back fossil fuels for unreliable clean energy has been a disaster in Asia and Europe. These power-hungry continents are scrambling for fossil fuel supplies as stockpiles are well below seasonal trends ahead of cooler weather.
    A similar story is playing out in the U.S., where increased demand for coal might not be reached by mining companies.”

    Thanks Obama. Killin’ everybody, just like we said. But especially the poor, which statistically means lots of black and brown people, his favorite target. Note: you cannot turn on mountains of coal like you can post widgets on the Apple store. Actual work has to happen. And you double-can’t in this environment, where no one works, and even if they showed up, they can’t order trucks, shovels, loaders, rails, and parts.

    Your money means nothing to me.

    Can no one understand this? Money is an abstraction, a placeholder, a fantasy we use among ourselves. Creating money is just creating MORE fiction, when it’s the REAL things we need.

    This was the beginning of an era in which editors became convinced that all earth’s problems derived from populations failing to accept reports as Talmudic law”

    From a group who haven’t gotten a single story right since the last century. I don’t say “psychotic” just to be saucy. I truly believe they are deeply mentally ill and require treatment.

    Everyone would get the same news and also be instructed, mid-sentence, how to respond.”

    Big Brother and the Statist cult. Of the UniParty, and the UniParty news. Pravda to shame, they never did it like us! As NYT editor said, “we need to be more like North Korea.” (And why those Deplorables no like us? Must be the sound of how awesome I am! …+ Gender, color, sex-that-doesn’t-exist, or some other checkmark of sectional victimhood for simps.)

    Making this up? Matt continues, “As a student in the Soviet Union I noticed subscribers to what Russians called the sovok mindset” “[they] talked in interminable strings of pogovorki, i.e goofball proverbs or aphorisms”

    “This was a learned defense mechanism, adopted by a people who’d found out the hard way that anyone caught not speaking nonstop nonsense could be suspected of harboring original thoughts. Voluble stupidity…”

    “We’re similarly becoming a nation of totalitarian nitwits…smelling heresy in anyone”

    Aaaaand here’s your logic: “The CNN writer who thinks it’s necessary to put a disclaimer in the lede of a story about molnupiravir, of all things, is basically claiming he or she is afraid a theoretical unvaccinated person might otherwise read the story and be encouraged to not take the vaccine.

    Except, if that theoretical unvaccinated person could be convinced by anything CNN said or did, they’d have already gotten the shot, because the network runs ten million stories a day directly imploring people to get vaccinated or die.”

    The meta-reality of this is that THEY do and believe exactly whatever THEY are told. That’s why THEY think that all OTHER people do and believe exactly what they’re told. They’re like insects, a hive-mind, hive-animal. And are astonished and consider dangerous, deadly even, human beings who CONSIDER what they are told and value whether they believe it or not using their judgment and human intelligence. So they write they think/fear/believe their every word will be followed – yes, as the Tulmud – and yet have constant cognitive dissonance knowing they are persuading these incomprehensible, alien beings who are somehow not persuaded by their every word. …And for what possible reason is confusing to them.

    Therefore: Instant Neurosis. Tim Pool comments on this sometimes, as does Taibbi. “Who is this article for?” he asks. Like, do they think talking gun rights on HuffPo is persuading…who? A: No one. It’s pogovorki, an article of religious faith, a liturgy, a heretical shibboleth distinguishing “us” and “them.” “We, we’re US, right? Amirite? I mean, WE, we’re not THEM? Are we? Brother can I get a amen up in here?” This is why they believe there is a vast, far-right “conspiracy theory” system, where a person exposed to a SINGLE disputed fact becomes zombie-infected and instantly becomes Alex Jones, biting everyone and believing all (of what, who can say, since they all disagree with each other). Because THEY actual ARE like this, so by the Golden Rule, believe others are too.

    So they are talking BY each other, persuading no one. Or as Matt says, also INFORMING no one. Facts are not allowed. The only enemy is the Truth.

    The Problems with Censoring Doctors over Their COVID-19 Stances (RCS)

    I rest my case. “Science” cannot speak. Unless it’s Mr. Fauci, who is the ultimate embodiment, the sole source of our god “Science”, hallowed is his name, who speaks through thee as his prophet (“May peace be upon him”). Doctors are doctors if they say what I want, but not-doctors if they disagree. …It’s called the “True Scotsman Fallacy.” “Fallacy” meaning “false”, “wrong,” “lie”. i.e. “Too idiotic and retarded to be believed by mortal man.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

    Speaking of, example right here: Schulte said, “no traitors ever came from Texas” Just as retarded when he says it. Two Bushes came form Texas (actually Connecticut, because: all lies, all the time.) I assume, because they are investigating, they are fabricating all and every evidence, for no reason whatsoever, just as Ivins, Jewell, Mueller, while letting Whitey Bulger and the Gymnastics rapist roam for years.

    Oh and planting pron on your computer is boring, de rigeur. The go-to action for the completely unimaginative. When I see that, I almost don’t believe it immediately, although clearly such things must happen.

    “Poland’s Top Court Rules Polish Law Takes Precedence Over The EU (ZH)”

    We ought to try this some time. Maybe we could reign in the High Court of Chevron.

    “Fetal tissue”. There is no religious exemption. Eat that fetal tissue you maggot, and like it. 9 out of 10 Vegetarians approve! Human fetal tissue is de-lish!

    Antidote: it’s a Evangelical religion, and they are zealots. There is no discussion possible, and that’s because of their side. This is precisely what they (and other Americans) hated and thought so little of during the Evangelical 80s. “Some men you just can’t reach.” No matter how many scandals, how much money you didn’t have sent to the TV, nothing got through. Especially spirit. It’s some kind of brain technology but since I appear to be immune it’s inconveniently invisible to me.

    Monbiot as with others, “Far-Right” now means, “Anybody who deviates even slightly from the for-profit Narrative™. So you can be miles to the left of Bernie, as Jimmy Dore is, and be “Far-Right.” You can be black moderate candidate, like Larry Elder and be a “White Supremacist”, and so on. Well, “Far Right” never meant much in America, since “Right” comes from the French National Assembly under the Revolution, the parties sitting on either side of the center aisle. The Left were the Progressives, but also direct-ish democracy, while the Right were the establishment, meaning for the King, or at least the present government and bureaucracy. So both were authoritarian statists, and we see how that turned out.

    So in America the “Far-Right” is for…ever expansive government, interference and engineering of the private social lives? Uh, no. No, no, and a thousand times no. The “Right” in America has some elements of this, as pro-police pro-military, but is largely not-”Right” but Libertarian, being as Ronny Raygun “A government so small you can drown it in a bathtub” where the government is too small to cause you any trouble at all, much less harass, arrest, and have firefights in the streets of London, while sucking $6 Trillion a year out of a $15T economy. How do you Nazi with no Staasi? And free gun rights for Blacks, gays, and Jews?

    Point being, anytime you hear the words “Far-Right” or even “right” you can be assured it’s just a lie, used to slander for no logical end by a bunch of people who are so dangerously ignorant of history and politics that words have no meaning to them aside from “Words mean what I say they mean: I use them to decide who is to be master of all.” Meaning, Master of YOU, my personal slave and object.

    In this case for Manbibot, the “WE” they see themselves as part of, merged with, “Society” and have no personal identity of their own, therefore anything The Narrative™ says, the “State”, composed entirely of rule-dodging oligarchs, says is correct. Because the “State” (=Oligarchs) is “US”. Anyone who is “not us” is therefore the direct enemy, a mortal threat, and all evil, violence, lies, and behavior is appropriate, even laudable to be piled on THEM, especially to their deaths, Catholic Reformation style.

    His quote? “Bodily sovereignty is an illusion.” But the State, which no one can see, taste, touch, feel, or define, is not. This even more-abstract, less-real aggregation of Hobbes “Leviathan”, is more real than your own body, mind, and self.

    I was thinking Mr. Day, that perhaps the push is to give you more time to make a riot online, and reach more people. …And with your story. So their edge-out backfires spectacularly. You should not piss off, or otherwise motivate smart, dynamic people and give them lots and lots of time to fill.

    Reminds me of that guy “I ruined your campaign as a part-time stay at home dad. Are you sure you want me to go full-time?”

    #89484
    zerosum
    Participant

    SAME ANSWER AS YESTERDAY
    Someone wants a new social/economic lalaland (science fiction)

    • Why Is Pfizer Pushing An Untested Vaccine On Children? (TF)

    assimilate · amalgamate, · blend, · combine, · commingle, · fuse, · intermingle, · merge, · mingle.

    Resistance is Futile
    The Borg wish to assimilate humans in order to get closer to perfection.
    With their popular Catchphrase “Resistance is Futile” – the Borg Collective travel the Star Trek universe assimilating different species.

    ———–
    While your attention is being diverted by discussions on jabbing your kids,
    The pill cocktail is coming.
    • Molnupiravir Was Made Possible By Government-funded Innovation (STAT)
    ——–
    Even better …… There is a cheap ivermectin cocktail with an effectiveness of +80%
    (However, this path will not lead to the new lalaland.
    An ivermectin cocktail has a negative side effect of prolonging life expectancy of the seniors)
    ——–
    Despite what you may have been falsely led to believe by the media fantasy projection machine, press statements have exactly zero legal authority.
    ——–
    What is happening behind the curtain

    1. Depopulation of the poor, the black and brown people, and the seniors.
    2. Prevent birth control\abortions of the white in an attempt to keep them from becoming a minority in the new lalaland
    3. Create/control supply line shortages and delays
    4. Create/control energy shortfall
    5. Ignore what is happening outside of the “control area”
    ——–

    #89486
    Clueless Honky
    Participant

    @ Germ:
    “Study the Table carefully”

    Agreed. But it is also worthwhile to go to the source document and study it carefully in its entirety:
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1023849/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_40.pdf

    Table 2 from that doc is the table cited in the Expose article. It shows Cases.
    Table 3 shows Hospitalizations.
    Table 4a & 4b show Deaths.

    Looking at all of the tables together clearly shows a pattern. That those double jabbed are more likely to be infected, but that they still experiencing some benefit in regards to hospitalization and death.

    I believe this is the summary that should be stressed because:
    1) it is an accurate portrayal of the data, and 2) it allows a potential crossing of the cultural divisiveness on the Mandates & Passports.

    I believe it is of the utmost importance for those of us who question the mainstream narrative to acknowledge the parts of the mainstream narrative that make sense.

    In England, over the last 3 weeks:
    Those un-jabbed in their 70s had roughly the same death rate as those double jabbed over 80.
    Those un-jabbed in their 50s had roughly the same death rate as those double jabbed in their 70s.
    This is from quality data from a country with over 56 million people.

    I think it is beneficial to acknowledge those facts. I can see how someone can look at that data and make a personal decision to take the jab. I can also see how someone can look at that data and make a personal decision to not take the jab – to see that small benefit as not outweighing the personal and societal risks.

    By acknowledging this aspect of the PHE Vaccine Surveillance Report, we can then more forcefully stress that the same report shows conclusively that the jabbed are more likely to be INFECTED.

    We already knew that the jabbed are more likely to have their symptoms suppressed.

    So therefore we have a very good case to make that the jabbed are more likely to transmit Covid.
    And therefore that the Mandates & Passports are actually counter-productive on a societal level.

    We’re never going to stop the jabs.
    We must stop the Mandates and Passports.

    I think the way to do that is to keep trying to converse with those Pro-Mandate.

    Feeding those folks false conclusions (that “the vaccines have a negative effectiveness” – which the Expose article itself recognizes is as false as the Manufacturer’s original claims of effectiveness) is, in my opinion, not a means to successfully converse with the opposing viewpoint. One of the primary things we need to stress is the areas where they are correct.

    It is then that the conversation can open, and maybe we can point out that – “hey, this data clearly suggests that the jabbed are more likely to be infected. We already knew they are less likely to know they are sick. Therefore the jabbed are more likely to transmit. So can we lay off the rush to Mandate the jabs on everyone? Can we see that the countries that have the highest jab rates don’t necessarily have the lowest case rates? The Mandates clearly make no sense. Maybe we’d be better off following the example of Uttar Pradesh which went from skyrocketing cases to being mostly Covid-free in less than six months. They have half the jab-rate that the US does. ”

    Thank you TAE and commenters. You are such a valuable life-line.

    #89487
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @clueless: “I believe it is of the utmost importance for those of us who question the mainstream narrative to acknowledge the parts of the mainstream narrative that make sense.”

    Will do – just as soon as believers of the mainstream narrative “acknowledge the parts that make sense” to those of us questioning … wait for it!! … injecting a synthetic biologic into our bodies that instructs our cells to produce a toxic protein.

    Seeing as the CDC and FDA can’t even be bothered to look into what’s killing thousands of people immediately following the jab … I’ll stick with not believing any numbers anyone publishes about anything.

    Particularly since they keep playing with the definition of unvaccinated to suit their narrative.

    #89488

    We’re never going to stop the jabs.

    Yes we are. We have no choice.

    #89489

    I appreciate the subtleties you voice, but I don’t think this is a time for subtleties. 6x as many infections among fully vaxxed points to a scary trend, and that’s bigger than a moment in time.

    #89491
    absolute galore
    Participant

    @clueless: “I believe it is of the utmost importance for those of us who question the mainstream narrative to acknowledge the parts of the mainstream narrative that make sense.”

    UpstateNYer: Will do – just as soon as believers of the mainstream narrative “acknowledge the parts that make sense” to those of us questioning … wait for it!! … injecting a synthetic biologic into our bodies that instructs our cells to produce a toxic protein.

    But that’s a problem when you are in the minority–ask any minority. You need to be very careful, avoid hyperbole, avoid the farthest-out theories. Is that fair? Who said life was fair. Yeah, it’s frustrating as hell, but the stakes are high enough that we need to be as smart as possible. Even when there is some evidence out there of “mass formation” that is impervious to logic.

    The psychiatrist (?) from IIRC The Netherlands discussing this on a video posted here a while back advises nevertheless to keep plugging with the indisputable facts, keeping them primed for when they can finally break through,as Kunstler predicts in his Friday essay. Unless you are prepared to go down in a hail of bullets, it becomes necessary to remain calm as we try to talk the majority down off the ledge. A guy like Denninger, no matter how much of what he says may prove to be correct, is just ranting and raving and writing screeds to the choir when he calls people idiots, etc, just as people on the other “side” do:

    Dr. D/Tiabbi: “Who is this article for?” he asks. Like, do they think talking gun rights on HuffPo is persuading…who? A: No one. It’s pogovorki, an article of religious faith, a liturgy, a heretical shibboleth distinguishing “us” and “them.” “We, we’re US, right? Amirite? I mean, WE, we’re not THEM? Are we? Brother can I get a amen up in here?”

    #89492
    expatkiwi
    Participant

    Alex Berenson: All you need to know about vaccine failure – not in Israel, in the US – in one incredible chart:
    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/all-you-need-to-know-about-vaccine/comments

    #89493
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Raul is absolutely spot on with his last two comments. We tried subtle, didn’t work, did it?

    One of the people I know of who got cancer after the jab is already dead. Two months – diagnosis to dead. These things are TRASHING the immune system, on top of causing the body to generate toxic spike proteins throughout the body (quit kidding yourself on the deltoid muscle schtick we keep hearing – the body is a SYSTEM and no single muscle area is roped off from the system just because they say so).

    And another thing … this idea that the heart issues following the jab can be viewed in the same manner as other causes of heart issues is very [very] short sighted. The CAUSE is entirely different with a jab. The OUTCOMES will likely be entirely different as well. Time will tell just how different.

    #89494
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @absolute: “But that’s a problem when you are in the minority–ask any minority. You need to be very careful …”

    Let me repeat: NO. I. DON’T.

    And who says it’s a minority? Mainstream?

    #89495
    Germ
    Participant

    Great report on Moderna.
    What an outfit!

    Moderna: A Company “In Need Of A Hail Mary”

    #89496
    Germ
    Participant

    @ Clueless Honky

    Why are the double vaxxed so much more likely to get infected?
    What has happened to their immune systems that resulted in this?
    What are the implications re. defense against other infections?

    I know of many friends who tell me that they are experienceing “the worst cold I’ve ever had”.

    Yes – it’s a thing over here:
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/worst-cold-ever-spreading-across-25168149
    https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/local-news/worst-cold-ever-how-you-6024682 – “worse than Covid” !

    I put it to you that these ‘clot shots’ (as teens here call them) seriously interfere with your immune system in more ways than we can begin to imagine.
    Vaxxed folks are fucked.

    #89498
    DarkMatter
    Participant

    @Clueless

    I think it is beneficial to acknowledge those facts. I can see how someone can look at that data and make a personal decision to take the jab. I can also see how someone can look at that data and make a personal decision to not take the jab – to see that small benefit as not outweighing the personal and societal risks.

    I agree with this but the what is never included in the data are columns for how people who have taken prophylactic measures are faring in terms of hospitalization and death, those other measures being Vitamin C, D, zinc, etc. People are not being told about these in the MSM and I gather from my limited contact with people that they just don’t know about them. I think a table that showed how people are doing with those (including IVM.HCQ) would be a game changer but expect that this data isn’t being gathered and wouldn’t be published even if it was. We are being fed a false dichotomy.

    #89499
    Henry
    Participant

    @updateNY
    “Particularly since they keep playing with the definition of unvaccinated to suit their narrative.”

    Nice point! I think the motto is: “If you first don’t succeed, try and try again?”

    #89500
    Henry
    Participant

    @germ, interesting graph: https://dailysceptic.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Screenshot-2021-10-08-at-09.23.54.png

    When this all first started, I wondered what would happen to Influenza. Because it can be spread by droplets spread in the air, face masks would have a large impact on it. It would also be interesting to know how many flu cases got “moved” to the COVID-19 cases.

    #89502
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @Henry: the question about how many flu cases got “moved” to covid is fairly easy to see. Even I can do it. 😉 I checked in my county (460,000 people), which has a flu tracker website where you can compare years, etc. Luckily they no longer need to maintain the flu tracker website because flu all but disappeared when covid hit the scene.

    #89503
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    And, no, I don’t think flu disappeared because we wore masks. Just to clarify.

    #89504
    Clueless Honky
    Participant

    @ Dark Matter
    “We are being fed a false dichotomy.”

    I couldn’t agree more.
    However, the best way to get that through to some one is when there is an open door.
    Acknowledging that there is still a benefit (although waning) for getting the jab in regards to hospitalizations and death is a way to open the door.
    We can open the door further by then saying “I too want us to reduce Covid harm. Uttar Pradesh has probably done the best job at reducing Covid harm. They didn’t succeed thru the jabs……..”

    #89506
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    China Amassing “Tens-of-Thousands” of Troops in Canada

    China Amassing “Tens-of-Thousands” of Troops in Canada

    #89508
    Clueless Honky
    Participant

    @Germ

    I get it.
    I personally believe that we will continue to see more and more problems stemming from the jabs over time.

    However, real people are still working in hospitals, and in most places, those real people are still experiencing the % of hospitalization and death being higher in the un-jabbed than the corresponding % within each age bracket. They still see some benefit.. In England over the last 3 months, that benefit has waned considerably. But that particular benefit is still there.

    To point out all of the potential problems of the jabs to folks in those positions, or who know folks in those positions – without acknowledging the real tragedy that they are facing each and every day – undermines the ability of anything we might otherwise say to get through to them.

    I know it’s not fair. We are not the ones trying to FORCE others to NOT get the jab. They are the ones successfully coercing people TO get the jab. But as @Absolute Galore pointed to above, none of us here are under the illusion that life is fair.

    #89511

    ..real people are still working in hospitals, and in most places, those real people are still experiencing the % of hospitalization and death being higher in the un-jabbed than the corresponding % within each age bracket.

    The stats in my article today say that, while vaccinated outnumber non-vaxxed (60-40%?!), infections among the former outnumber those in the latter by factor of 6!. Pandemic of the unvaccinated?! So no, that is simply not true. The only age bracket where it is true is the youngest, who are not jabbed.,

    As for all these numbers, we need to realize that deaths and hospitalizations lag infections. About which, therefore, we can say very little at this point. Alex Berenson’s graph, referenced here today, makes very clear why that is. These developments move at lighting speed.

    #89512
    DarkMatter
    Participant

    @expatkiwi
    Someone in the comment section of the Berenson piece pointed out that they loosened the definition of vaccine to:

    vaccine: a preparation that is administered to stimulate the body’s immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease

    I take Vitamin D to specifically fight Covid 19 every day. I’m vaccinated and have daily boosters!

    #89514
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Fauci, HHS Officials Discuss Using New Virus From China To Enforce Universal Vaccines In Footage From Oct. 2019

    OAN Newsroom
    UPDATED 7:21 AM PT – Friday, October 8, 2021

    Fauci, HHS officials discuss using new virus from China to enforce universal vaccines in footage from Oct. 2019

    #89515
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    “Acknowledging that there is still a benefit (although waning) for getting the jab in regards to hospitalizations and death is a way to open the door.”
    Agreed. My friend knows I don’t want the vaccine. She is triple jabbed. She is backing out of a theatre excursion because she is scared about getting Covid there. She asked me to understand her concern about getting covid despite her vaccination based on her understanding that I don’t want the clot shot. I agreed that her concerns were valid.

    #89516
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    Ragarding UK PHE data, it’s got to be that by now the rate of covid in the unvaccinated is going to be affected by natural immunity. The rub is that natural immunity should be affecting the vaxxed as well. It’s hard to measure without something like the US study on antibodies in blood donated….

    #89517
    ctbarnum
    Participant

    Denninger asks some very relevant questions today about vaccine mandates:

    “Yes, you might get people who are over-levered (their fault) and unable to erect the middle finger to “comply.”

    But in doing so you permanently destroyed their willingness to put 100% into their job. Now they are all pissed off, working only to the minimum required to not get fired, they hate their boss, they hate the company, they hate every screaming Karen who wagged their finger at them, they hate Biden and they’d like to see all of them bankrupt, gone, even dead. In today’s tight labor market you can’t replace them either; who are you going to hire? The bong-smoker you paid for a year to sit around and get stoned? How joyous and hopeful is such a person? Are they inclined to spend on luxuries? Take on more leverage and build businesses, families and prosperity? When you threaten to force them to do whatever you demand again — and again — and again — even at the cost of their own health, money and life?

    The economic damage from this is permanent. So is firing those who won’t comply. Oh, they’ll go find something else to do — but odds are those independent thinkers are the top 5 or 10% of any organization.”

    So, the Biden and Karen dolts are willing to lose their best employees over a virus with 99.8% survival? We are in true idiocracy territory with those employers.

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243833

    #89520
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Based on some of the comments around here lately I can see why we don’t hear so much from Deflationista anymore. She isn’t needed. Job done.

    #89523
    citizenx
    Participant

    Dr D and Germ !

    Thank you

    #89526
    DarkMatter
    Participant

    Acknowledging that there is still a benefit (although waning) for getting the jab in regards to hospitalizations and death is a way to open the door.

    There maybe was a time when we could easily change our minds but that time is past. We have chosen which narrative to believe and are sticking with it. Call it confirmation bias or cognitive dissonance but more information is not going to convince many. The question now is how we will treat people on the other side. Most people I know are tolerant and willing to make accommodations even if they feel like the have to avoid some people and situations. But some people are not tolerant and openly wish harm on those that haven’t chosen like they have. Unfortunately it appears those in power are mostly pro-vaxx and in this second group. It doesn’t seem like it can end well.

    #89527
    Michael Reid
    Participant
    #89533
    ctbarnum
    Participant

    Anyone else besides me noticed since we have a president who is a dementia patient that now the entire government and its policies resemble those drawn up by a dementia patient?

    #89534
    Bill7
    Participant

    > Anyone else besides me noticed since we have a president who is a dementia patient that now the entire government and its policies resemble those drawn up by a dementia patient? <

    To me that seems quite intentional, since the odd SC Democrat Party primary results of early last year, or so.

    Funny old world.

    #89540
    ctbarnum
    Participant

    Means we’re now in the “Get Off My Lawn” stage of collapse, which seems to have been the D party motto since 2016.

    #89541
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @darkmatter: “We have chosen which narrative to believe and are sticking with it.”

    I’m not sticking with a narrative, I’m sticking with *real* science. Real science that has proven for at least two decades that we cannot develop a successful vaccine against coronaviruses, and that mRNA vaccines could not safely be brought to market. That’s not a narrative, that’s proven through previous [failed] studies. Yes, peer reviewed studies.

    I also am sticking with “my body, my choice” and basic human rights that, here in the US, are afforded to us by the Constitution. That is not a narrative, that’s what this country was founded on.

    Call it having “chosen a narrative” if you wish, but that’s not really what this is.

    We need to stop playing around with language. We didn’t “choose a narrative.”

    We also don’t TAKE a vaccine. That terminology started with covid vaccines. We always GOT a vaccine. How many times in the past did someone say to you, “Hey, did you take the flu vaccine this year?” Not once. They asked if you got the flu vaccine. You don’t TAKE something that is injected into your body. You TAKE an aspirin. There’s a difference.

    Stop playing with language. Playing with language is playing the parasites’ game. Call things what they are.

    #89542
    Clueless Honky
    Participant

    Raul,

    I definitely get your point that you made in your recent post about the change in terminology, and the moving of the goal posts over time. Overall, it is incredibly frustrating.

    However, in regards to separating out Infections, Hospitalizations, and Deaths, I’d have to say that it does make sense to a large degree to separate them out, because it is the hospitalization and deaths that overwhelm hospital systems. That overwhelm is what contributes to the stress of the front-line workers and to the tragedies that they regularly see.

    Table 2 which is included in @Germs Comment from the Expose is only about Case Rates. The Right-most column with the Yellow Header from that article is not included in the PHE Vaccine Surveillance Report. The Expose added that column. Which is fair, because, as they state, they use the same calculation that Pfizer used to determine effectiveness in their marketing.

    However, Table 3 shows Hospitalization Rates, and 4a & 4b show Death Rates in the same PHE Surveillance Report. These tables do still clearly show some vaccine effectiveness. The right two columns in each table state the corresponding rates per 100,000 people. One column is for those double jabbed. The last column is for un-jabbed. The effectiveness has been noticeably waning over the last 3 months.

    That’s data from England, which was a little ahead of many places in rolling out the jabs. I have a friend who is an ER doctor in a hospital in Kentucky. He has not yet seen the trend that England is seeing.

    My best guess is that he certainly will begin to see it in the next few months. But right now, he is not. So for me to claim to him that Covid is already a “pandemic of the vaccinated” has been a sure fire way to ensure that he won’t listen to anything I tell him. It contradicts his own very intense and very tragic lived experience. It can lead him to think I don’t care about the greater good, which couldn’t be further from the truth.

    What I’m saying is that I don’t recommend that approach to others. It’s not likely to go well. And as we who write, read and comment on TAE all well know, there is a lot at stake here.

    Here is the most recent PHE Vaccine Surveillance Report again:
    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1023849/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_40.pdf

    Once again, many thanks for all of your efforts Raul.

    FYI, I was unable to open the link to the source paper for the “Weekly Breakthrough Cases Chart” (the red and purple chart) in your recent post.

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