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James Proudfoot Sun on a House, Dieppe 1937

 

We’re One Tragedy Away From Pitchforks And Torches (Jeftovic)
Temporary Morgues are Being Built Across UK Due to Excess Deaths (GP)
European Parliament Poised To Ban Pfizer Representatives (De Lauzun)
Impeach ‘War Criminal’ Biden Over Ukraine – US Democrat (RT)
The Importance of Being Biden (Turley)
McCarthy Leaves Reporters Silent With Bombshell About Eric Swalwell (TPN)
Destroying American Democracy – An Inside Job (Hoekstra)
Glug Glug, Gurgle Gurgle (Kunstler)
EU Needs ‘War Economy’ – Veteran German Diplomat (RT)
London Rejects Ukraine Helicopters Claim (RT)
NATO Promises More Heavy Weapons For Ukraine (RT)
Zelensky Aide Flip-flops On Apartment Block Blast (RT)
Zelensky Rolls Out New Anti-Russian Sanctions (RT)
Ukrainian Blogger Calls For Genocide Of All Russians (RT)

 

 

 

 

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“It’s going to take a long time to rebuild public trust and probably not while any incumbents are still in office.”

We’re One Tragedy Away From Pitchforks And Torches (Jeftovic)

We know now via the various Twitter Files dumps that Big Tech has been taking their orders from the government, intelligence agencies and Big Pharma (a.k.a The Pharmatrocracy) all along. Should we just assume the corporate press has been as well? This would explain why instead of undertaking Watergate level investigative reporting into legions of children, athletes and young adults suddenly dropping dead or having heart attacks, strokes and other medical emergencies, live on the air; we’re getting gaslighted about childhood asthma from natural gas stoves. I have been wondering if it is possible that the perceived increase in these reports of sudden deaths is the result of a self-perpetuating loop of increased focus on these events.

A kind of hysteria of its own. This is why since the onset of COVID, I’ve always tried to find numbers and data – then I follow that data where it leads me. Often times it’s not the same place as what I’m seeing on the television screen. Anybody can look at a graph, and provided that the data is kosher, see when something is out of whack. This one is out of Dowd’s book and sourced with CDC data is the aggregate excess mortality rate for millennials since before the pandemic. We know that the survival rate from COVID goes up dramatically as age comes down. The vast majority of COVID fatalities were in our elderly (many of whom were forced into localized outbreaks where they died locked down and alone). Two things stand out: #1) The excess death rates spike higher as the vaccines deploy, reaching their highest when mandates kick in. #2) The trend line is going the wrong direction.


[..] The disconnect between what the average person on the street is seeing happen right before their eyes and what they’re being told is happening (or not happening) by paternalistic fact-checking media propagandists will soon come to a breaking point. The only thing that can stop it is for some policymakers and pundits to start throwing the engine brake and try to get out in front of what will be an inevitable public backlash. My fear is this won’t happen. There is too much invested: the entire regime of Digital IDs and health passports was to be built atop the COVID vaccine deployment. Vaxports were supposed to be the official lubricant of The Great Reset. If it turns out that these things are not only ineffective but harmful, it will set The Fourth Industrial Revolution back decades. It’s going to take a long time to rebuild public trust and probably not while any incumbents are still in office.

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If this is true, it should be happening all over.

Temporary Morgues are Being Built Across UK Due to Excess Deaths (GP)

Now, temporary morgues are being used as overflow space by hospitals in the UK with full morgues. This news broke just days after a nationwide alert about “mortuary capacity issues” was issued by the Human Tissue Authority, the agency in charge of regulating the storage of human remains. These temporary morgues, which consist of large shipping containers, are being set up in public places like office parks, the Mirror reported. According to The Sun, vehicles from hospitals such as Salisbury District Hospital in Wiltshire and Royal Liverpool Hospital delivered bodies to the council gritting yard, which has a refrigeration unit guarded 24/7. Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust said, “We can confirm that we have opened additional mortuary capacity to accommodate an increase in need across the local community.”

“Our mortuary service operates to the national standards treating the deceased and loved ones with dignity and respect at all times regardless of location. All our additional capacity provides privacy and has 24/7 security,” it continued. Meanwhile, two additional units have been set up at Royal Liverpool University Hospital. The Liverpool University Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust, which operates the Royal Liverpool Hospital, has stated, “It is common practice for mortuaries to have purpose-built temporary systems available. “This ensures that patients continue to be treated with dignity and respect, in facilities which are equivalent to a permanent mortuary, during periods of increased demand. Two of these systems, which meet standards set out by the Human Tissue Authority, have been deployed at the Royal Liverpool University Hospital,” it continued.

It is not just UK. Funeral homes in Norway sound the alarm as they struggle to store all the dead people as a result of Norway’s skyrocketing excess mortality rate. The number of people needing funeral services in Trondheim City, Central Norway, has risen dramatically, according to the local newspaper Dagbladet Trondheim. Lars Svanholm, the fourth-generation general manager of Trondheim’s largest funeral home, Svanholm & Vigdal Gravferd, has said that the funeral home’s century-long history has never seen anything like the current number of deaths. “It is a marked increase, and we have not experienced anything like it in four generations,” Lars Svanholm told Dagbladet. “We have not had such an increase since the company started in 1922,” said Svanholm to local tv.

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The only thing they can do is fire Ursula. But can they?

European Parliament Poised To Ban Pfizer Representatives (De Lauzun)

The scandal surrounding Pfizer’s contracts with the European Union over COVID vaccines has taken a new turn. The European Parliament’s COVID committee (COVI) approved on Wednesday, January 11th a proposal to ban Pfizer representatives from Parliament because of the company’s repeated lack of transparency. All political groups approved the proposal, with the exception of the EPP and Renew Europe, but their opposition was not enough to prevent the vote. The procedure has a precedent: in 2017, the agrochemical company Monsanto was also denied access to the European Parliament by the Environment Committee (ENVI) because it had refused to comply with the rule of public hearings.

For several months, many MEPs have been trying to obtain clarification on the conditions under which the European Union concluded contracts for the purchase of COVID vaccines in vain. At issue is the lack of transparency regarding the exact content of the contracts and the repeated exchanges of text messages between Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen. Albert Bourla systematically refused to attend COVI committee meetings in October 2022 and December 2022, triggering protests from committee members. “The EP has a right to full transparency on the details of this spending and the preliminary negotiations that led to it,” tweeted Kathleen Van Brempt, chair of the COVI committee in December.

It was international markets chair Janine Small who finally confronted the parliamentarians of the COVI committee. She assured the MEPs that the contracts were freely available to them—failing to point out that many passages had been deliberately redacted and made illegible. MEPs also had difficulty accessing the text messages exchanged between Ursula von der Leyen and Pfizer during the contract negotiation phase. Janine Small said that nothing had been negotiated by SMS, and that the messages in question were simply due to the teleworking phase caused by the pandemic. These explanations did not satisfy the parliamentarians in charge of the case, who pointed to Pfizer’s clear refusal to collaborate. “I think Albert Bourla deliberately did not come, because he did not want to face the controversies,” French MEP and COVI member Véronique Trillet-Lenoir told Euractiv.

Following the COVI committee vote, a new vote must take place in the CCC (Conference of Committee Chairs), which brings together all committee chairs. Several options are on the table: the duration of the exclusion, whether the sanction will apply only to Bourla or to all Pfizer representatives, or whether it is upheld at all. The final decision should not be taken for another month.

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“There is no way Russia can lose this war and no way Ukraine and NATO can possibly win it..”

Impeach ‘War Criminal’ Biden Over Ukraine – US Democrat (RT)

Geoffrey Young, who is running for governor in the US state of Kentucky, has accused Joe Biden of committing war crimes in Ukraine and other countries, saying the president should be impeached for carrying out an illegal proxy struggle against Russia in the former Soviet republic. “I think Joe Biden (D-war criminal) should be impeached immediately for war crimes in Ukraine, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, etc.,” Young said in a Twitter post. “Also for continuing the illegal proxy war against Russia in Ukraine. All US presidents since 1945 = war criminals (including Trump),” he added. Young, an MIT-trained economist who has worked as an environmental engineer in state government, made waves last year after winning the Democratic Party’s nomination for Kentucky’s District 6 congressional seat.

He vowed during the campaign to help prevent nuclear war with Russia by pursuing a “reasonable” peace plan with Moscow. He also called the Kiev regime a “Nazi puppet government” and said the CIA should be eliminated because it’s the “worst terrorist organization in the world today.” After Young won Kentucky’s Democratic primary in May, his party declined to support him in the November general election against incumbent Republican congressman Andy Barr. He alienated party leaders with his contrarian views, such as accusing Biden of recklessly provoking China, illegally deploying troops in Syria and Iraq, and making the US vulnerable to attack by becoming a “co-belligerent” with Ukraine against Russia.

Less than a week after the congressional midterms, the 66-year-old Young, who bills himself as a “peace Democrat,” announced his candidacy in Kentucky’s 2023 race for governor. He will try to unseat the incumbent Democrat, Governor Andy Beshear, whom he has accused of being a “not-yet-indicted felon.” Young has called the Ukraine conflict a lost cause for the US and NATO and faulted Biden’s administration for rejecting a peace proposal from Moscow in December 2021. “There is no way Russia can lose this war and no way Ukraine and NATO can possibly win it,” he said last week.

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“There is no record that Joe or Jill Biden have ever sought to meet, let alone embrace, their grandchild..”

The Importance of Being Biden (Turley)

Hunter Biden’s disgraceful treatment of his daughter has long been on display in Arkansas where he long denied being her father, fought paternity, and was threatened with contempt of court over his failure to supply needed documents. After DNA testing was forced by a court, Hunter was found to be the father but he continued to resist efforts to force him to pay child support and supply financial records. Recently, Lunden Roberts sought to have a surname change for her daughter to Biden. Even after his long and abusive treatment of his daughter in court, Hunter Biden’s opposition is breathtaking. He opposes his daughter using his name and says that, if she does, she will never have a “peaceful existence.” Of course, Biden did not feel that way with his other four children. They are all true Bidens and living peaceful existences.

It is only Navy Joan who he does not want to bear the family name. Hunter’s concern for Navy Joan’s peaceful existence is a bit odd since he has reportedly never even seen his daughter after fighting for years to deny his paternal status and child support. While living in a luxurious mansion in Malibu, Hunter continued to fight his obligations under child support and requested in September 2022 to have the payments lowered, bemoaning how his “financial circumstances” were difficult for him. The public pays more for his security in his mansion than he does in monthly support for his daughter. Hunter is asking Circuit Court Judge Holly Meyer to deny Navy Joan the ability to use her father’s surname and claiming that it is in her best interest. The filing is so self-serving and transparently dishonest that it does what was once thought impossible: reach a new low for Hunter.

All of his reported selfies having sex and doing drugs with prostitutes were shocking. His attacks on his former sister-in-law, Hallie Biden, widow of the deceased brother (with whom Hunter later had a romantic relationship), were appalling. However, the craven effort to deny this child his name reaches a level of cad that stands unrivaled. The position of Hunter in court has been disgraceful, but the media has largely ignored the matter. It has also ignored the utter lack of support from President Joe Biden and the First Lady, who tellingly omitted a stocking for Navy Joan as one of their grandchildren. (The dog and cat did receive stockings). There is no record that Joe or Jill Biden have ever sought to meet, let alone embrace, their grandchild. The President has, however, sought to deny the child security protection (despite his son’s concern for her “peaceful existence”).

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Too big a headline without the details. “If you got the briefing I got from the FBI, you wouldn’t have Swalwell on any committee..”

McCarthy Leaves Reporters Silent With Bombshell About Eric Swalwell (TPN)

On Thursday while speaking with reporters, Speaker of the House Kevin McCarthy left reporters speechless after he defended his decision to keep California Democrats Eric Swalwell and Adam Schiff off of the House Intelligence Committee. “If you got the briefing I got from the FBI, you wouldn’t have Swalwell on any committee,” McCarthy said, leaving reporters silent. This suggests damning bombshell information about Swalwell’s handlings that we will hopefully learn in the coming weeks. “And you’re going to tell me other Democrats couldn’t fill that slot? He cannot get a security clearance in the private sector,” McCarthy said. “So would you like to give him a government clearance?”

McCarthy went on to explain that the last Congress lead by Nancy Pelosi kept Swalwell on the committee even though they were aware of the massive red flag from the FBI. “You’re going to tell me there are 200 other Democrats that couldn’t fill that slot, but they kept him on it? The only way that they even knew it came forward is when they put to nominate him to the Intel committee. And then the FBI came and told the leadership that he’s got a problem, and they kept him on. That jeopardized all of us,” McCarthy said.

McCarthy also name dropped Schiff. “Adam Schiff openly lied to the American public. He told you he had proof. He told you he didn’t know the whistle blower,” McCarthy said while referring to false claims made by the California Democrat against former President Donald Trump. “He put America for four years through an impeachment that he knew was a lie.” At the same time, we had Ukraine, the same time we had Afghanistan collapse. Was that the role of the Intel committee? No,” McCarthy said. “So what I am doing with the Intel committee, bringing it back to the jurisdiction is supposed to do forward looking to keep this country safe, keep the politics out of it,” he continued.

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Good questions. But who’s going to ask them?

Destroying American Democracy – An Inside Job (Hoekstra)

The fraudulent efforts by the U.S. government, Clapper, Brennan and the 49 others — along with Hillary Clinton, her campaign committee, the Democratic National Committee and the suppression of the media and social media — to influence the public unfortunately met with some success. For almost two years, the authenticity of the material found on Hunter Biden’s laptop was questioned. Today, its authenticity has been verified; the information is real and damning. As summarized by the New York Post: “Yes that letter from the Dirty 51 had all the classic earmarks of a disinformation operation, all right – one designed to ensure Joe Biden won the presidency. And it was essentially a CIA operation, considering 43 of the 51 signatories were former CIA.”

One final example of the Intelligence Community involving itself in domestic politics comes from the recent release of the “Twitter Files.” According to tweet #20 of the third tranche released: “This post about the Hunter Biden laptop situation shows that Roth not only met weekly with the FBI and DHS, but with the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.” Tweet #17 states: “executives were also clearly liaising with federal enforcement and intelligence agencies about moderation of election-related content.” Finally, the FBI paid Twitter $3.5 million reportedly to “handle requests from the bureau.” We now know what happened. Twitter suppressed discussion of the Hunter Biden laptop story and suppressed conservative messaging, while at the same time it appears the FBI, DHS and the ODNI had literally had set up shop at Twitter.

The American people should be outraged. This level of collaboration between federal law enforcement and a private sector company on controlling speech is terrifying. Having our Intelligence Community, which is supposed to be focused on foreign intelligence collection, involved is even more terrifying. DNI James Clapper lying to the American people in 2013 about government surveillance of them, the promoting of the Russian hoax theory in 2017 by CIA Director Brennan, DNI Clapper, FBI Director Comey and others, the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story by 51 former intelligence professionals, and the close working arrangement between the FBI, DHS and the ODNI in 2020-2022 raises a staggering series of questions:

Can our government, law enforcement, and the Intelligence Community still be trusted? Have those federal government agencies literally weaponized law enforcement and intelligence against political opponents in the U.S.? Has more than one solitary person — former FBI attorney Kevin Clinemith, for altering an email — been held accountable for these egregious abuses of power? Why wasn’t there a more powerful response from the Intelligence Community and the law enforcement community about the disinformation from the 51 former intelligence professionals? Who authorized the cozy relationship between law enforcement, the intelligence community with Twitter? Who in these government agencies reviewed and approved of the output and decisions coming from these joint efforts? Were political appointees in the review loop? Who has the records, notes and decisions that emanated from these groups?

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Good questions. But who’s going to ask them?

Glug Glug, Gurgle Gurgle (Kunstler)

Summon the ghost of James Comey to ‘splain’ the finer points of RussiaGate: how he fell for Hillary Clinton’s Steele Dossier prank; how he used Columbia University law professor Daniel Richman to leak info about confidential meetings with Mr. Trump; whether he ordered Peter Strzok’s sandbagging operation on Gen. Mike Flynn, the FISA court shenanigans, the hiring of CrowdStrike instead of using FBI forensic experts to vet evidence; the run-up to “Crossfire Hurricane” the roles of international men of mystery Stefan Halper and Josef Mifsud in the operations to incriminate Trump appointees, Nellie Ohr’s role as a DOJ-FBI go-between with the Fusion GPS company.

Let’s hear from former CIA director John Brennan about the “17 Intel Agencies” who swore Russia was behind 2016 election interference and then about the 50-odd distinguished intel officers and other high officials who swore that Hunter Biden’s laptop was a Russia put-on job. Ask former Attorney General Bill Barr to ‘splain’ if he was informed about the Hunter Biden laptop when the FBI got it in 2019. Bring back former AG Jeff Sessions to ‘splain’ how the Mueller Special Counsel’s office was stuffed with Democratic Party activist Lawfare cadres, and how he determined that Mr. Mueller was mentally up to the job. Bring in Mr. Mueller to ‘splain’ how he testified that in the two-year course of his inquiry he never heard of the company Fusion GPS.

Find a special booster chair for Merrick Garland to ‘splain’ how come so many January 6 suspects are being held indefinitely pre-trial in the DC lockup on rinky-dink charges under the harshest conditions (solitary confinement, denial of medical care) in defiance of due process of law, in particular the constitutional right to a speedy trial. Ask Mr. Garland why he’s devoting vast resources of the DOJ to pursue ever more January 6 protesters on Mickey Mouse charges. Ask him to ‘splain’ how it came to pass that he went after parents protesting at school boards about indecent sex ed for little children and racist anti-white indoctrination. Ask him about sending SWAT teams on predawn raids to the homes of investigation targets whose lawyers volunteered to deliver them to the FBI offices. Ask him why he appointed a RussiaGate-involved lawyer, one Robert K Hur, as Special Counsel in the “Joe Biden” classified document matter.

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The EU doesn’t even have time to do this. It would take ten years.

“..in 2007, Russian President Vladimir Putin first voiced his concerns about NATO’s eastward expansion and warned that a unipolar model was not only “unacceptable, but outright impossible” for the modern world..”

EU Needs ‘War Economy’ – Veteran German Diplomat (RT)

The EU must drastically ramp up the production of ammunition and heavy weapons if it wants to help Ukraine succeed in the conflict with Russia, Wolfgang Ischinger, the former chair of the Munich Security Conference and a veteran German diplomat, said on Saturday. He stressed that Kiev’s supporters would run out of supplies unless they transform their economies. “There is much to suggest that this war is far from over. Therefore, it is necessary for us to plan for the long term,” Ischinger stressed in an interview with Germany’s Welt newspaper. “All the military experts I know are saying that stocks of old Soviet weapons and respective ammunition are running out.” “Ukraine is forced to fire as much ammunition per day as we are producing in half a year. The end of our stocks is in sight. What comes next? Who handles replenishment? A war economy means that we – within NATO and in coordination at a European level – take the initiative and call on European armaments companies to produce more weapons and more ammunition as a result of the war.”

Ischinger said that the supplying and resupplying of Ukraine with heavy weapons, such as tanks, missiles, air defense systems, and drones, should be “controlled and coordinated” by the EU, as well as by the governments of individual member states. He added that regular meetings of Western countries that support Kiev with arms and military equipment at the US Ramstein Air Base in Germany are not enough. “They are certainly very helpful, but we need a political prioritization so the industry would have necessary specifications,” he said. Moscow has repeatedly urged the collective West to stop “pumping” Ukraine with weapons, maintaining that doing so will only prolong the hostilities and the suffering of common Ukrainians, rather than change the ultimate outcome of the conflict.

From 2008 to 2022, Ischinger served as chairman of the Munich Security Conference, the largest annual multinational security policy event of its kind. The conference was the platform where, back in 2007, Russian President Vladimir Putin first voiced his concerns about NATO’s eastward expansion and warned that a unipolar model was not only “unacceptable, but outright impossible” for the modern world. Now a proponent of even further militarization of Europe, Ischinger previously had a hand in the Ukrainian turmoil as well. In early 2014, he was tapped by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) to become its representative tasked with establishing a ‘dialogue’ in Ukraine following the Maidan coup, which toppled the democratically elected President Viktor Yanukovich and ushered in the years-long conflict in the country’s east.

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Made up from whole cloth. No Apaches, no Hellfires. Just stories.

London Rejects Ukraine Helicopters Claim (RT)

The British government has denied a media report claiming that it would supply Ukraine with AH-64 Apache attack helicopters, Sky News stated on Sunday. The UK still intends to donate a handful of tanks and artillery guns. In an article that has since been deleted, the Sunday People, an outlet that shares a website with The Mirror, claimed that the arrival of the US-made choppers would be “a major game-changer” for Ukraine’s forces, which recently lost the strategically important Donbass town of Soledar to Russian forces, sustaining horrific losses in the process. Citing an unnamed “senior defense source,” the paper said that “other NATO members will now follow suit” and donate their own helicopters. However, the article was “incorrect,” the Ministry of Defence told Sky News correspondent Deborah Haynes.


While the Ukrainian military will not get its hands on the Apaches, the UK still intends to ship a squadron of 14 Challenger 2 tanks to Kiev “in the coming weeks,” as well as “around 30” AS-90 self-propelled artillery guns. Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s office confirmed the arms package on Saturday, and Defence Secretary Ben Wallace is expected to announce further details on Monday. Ukraine has yet to receive any Western-designed combat aircraft from its NATO backers, despite repeated pleas from Kiev for fighter jets in particular. Aside from the challenge of training Ukrainian pilots to fly the machine, the Apache is noted for “frequent failures of key components and high demands for maintenance,” according to a US government report. The report found that in order to keep the Apache flying in combat environments, the US military “relied heavily on contractors” to “keep up with the maintenance burden.”

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“Further weapons packages will likely be announced after the US-led ‘Defense Contact Group’ meets on Friday at Ramstein Air Base in Germany..”

NATO Promises More Heavy Weapons For Ukraine (RT)

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said on Saturday that Ukraine would receive more “heavy warfare equipment” from the West in “the near future.” The UK has already pledged tanks to the country, and Germany is under pressure to follow suit. A US-led ‘contact group’ for arming Ukraine will meet on Friday. “We are in a crucial phase of the war,” Stoltenberg told Germany’s Handelsblatt newspaper on Sunday, days after Ukraine lost the strategically important Donbass town of Soledar to Russian forces. “We are experiencing heavy fighting,” the NATO chief continued. “It is therefore important that we equip Ukraine with the weapons it needs to be able to win.” Recent weeks have seen a dramatic escalation in the equipment promised to Ukraine by NATO’s largest powers.

The US, France, and Germany simultaneously announced at the beginning of the month that they would donate infantry fighting vehicles to the Ukrainian military, while the UK officially confirmed on Saturday that it would send fourteen Challenger 2 main battle tanks. “The recent pledges for heavy warfare equipment are important, and I expect more in the near future,” Stoltenberg told Handelsblatt. Further weapons packages will likely be announced after the US-led ‘Defense Contact Group’ meets on Friday at Ramstein Air Base in Germany. This panel of nearly 50 countries has met seven times already since Russia’s military operation in Ukraine began last February, with each meeting followed by fresh pledges of military aid from America and its allies.

One of the first meetings in May was followed by deliveries of anti-ship missiles from Denmark, helicopters from the Czech Republic, and artillery systems from Italy, Greece, Norway, and Poland. The group’s last meeting in November came as the US announced a $400 million aid package, including surface-to-air missiles. Although Stoltenberg insists that he does not want “a full-blown war between NATO and Russia,” Moscow has repeatedly warned the West that its continued arms deliveries will only prolong the conflict in Ukraine, while making the Western powers de-facto participants. Russian President Vladimir Putin has described the conflict as one between Russia and “the entire Western military machine,” but said on Saturday that the progress of Moscow’s military operation is “positive,” with the battlefield situation “developing within the framework of the Defense Ministry’s and the Joint Chiefs of Staff’s plan.”

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“..Arestovich retracted his apology shortly after, stating he re-watched his interview and deemed it to be carefully-worded and vague enough..”

Zelensky Aide Flip-flops On Apartment Block Blast (RT)

The partial destruction of a residential building in the southeastern Ukrainian city of Dnepr has triggered a bitter spat between the country’s top officials, struggling to explain the exact causes of the incident. The scandal was prompted by the assessment offered by Aleksey Arestovich, a senior advisor to President Vladimir Zelensky, who said that the Russian missile might have been brought down by Ukrainian troops and ended up hitting the building. The site was heavily damaged on Saturday, with some 25 civilians killed and 73 injured, according to Ukrainian authorities. “It was shot down. It apparently fell on the [apartment] block. But it exploded when falling,” Arestovich said in a YouTube interview.

The assessment immediately came under fire, with Arestovich ending up accused of discrediting Ukraine’s military and assigning blame for the incident on it. The mayor of Dnepr, Boris Filatov, got particularly enraged by his statements, branding the presidential aide “a narcissistic animal and a foul mouth,” and urging the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) and counterintelligence to “react.” The spat prompted the country’s military to provide its own explanation of the incident, with the Ukrainian Air Force command identifying the Russian projectile that allegedly hit the building as a Kh-22, a supersonic air-launched cruise missile. The military bizarrely claimed in an official statement that it has no weaponry to bring down the missiles of the type altogether, with more than 210 Kh-22s making it through the country’s air defenses amid the ongoing conflict.

Separately, the spokesman for the Air Force, Colonel Yury Ignat, admitted on Facebook that earlier reports of Ukrainian forces shooting down Kh-22 missiles might have been inaccurate. The barrage of criticism made Arestovich offer an apology over his statements, with the official claiming he got the information from his acquaintance, a retired anti-aircraft officer, who purportedly witnessed the incident. Zelensky’s aide said he should have stated more explicitly that his assessment was merely a “version” rather than the ultimate truth. However, Arestovich retracted his apology shortly after, stating he re-watched his interview and deemed it to be carefully-worded and vague enough. He also blamed the forced explanation by the military on his critics, who preferred to rage over his remarks rather than highlight “Russia’s guilt.”

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Most of these people have family and friends “on the other side”.

“I have not formed any particular opinion on the matter, except for what I have already said: I observe with compassion the tragic events in my beloved Ukraine,” Konchalovsky said.”

Zelensky Rolls Out New Anti-Russian Sanctions (RT)

Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky signed a decree on Sunday, imposing personal sanctions on some 198 Russian nationals. The new list includes multiple prominent artists, journalists and other public figures. Kiev targeted award-winning director Andrey Konchalovsky and former governor of Moscow Region Boris Gromov, as well as several RT journalists and multiple bloggers. Commenting on getting on the blacklist, Konchalovsky told the RIA Novosti news agency that a “historical dazzle of large masses of people” was nothing new, but an eventual awakening of them was inevitable. “I have not formed any particular opinion on the matter, except for what I have already said: I observe with compassion the tragic events in my beloved Ukraine,” Konchalovsky said.

The restrictions imposed for a 10-year period include freeze of assets, travel and visa bans, stripping of Ukrainian state awards, and some other measures. The move comes one week after Zelensky decreed personal sanctions against 119 Russian public figures, including opera star Anna Netrebko, Oscar-winning film director Nikita Mikhalkov and pop singer Philipp Kirkorov. The Ukrainian president also targeted Russian journalists, including RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan and Dmitry Kiselyov, the head of the Rossiya Segodnya media group. Kiev has repeatedly sanctioned Russian nationals amid the ongoing conflict with Mosciw, blacklisting hundreds of people.

Russia sent troops into Ukraine on February 24, 2022, citing Kiev’s failure to implement the Minsk agreements, designed to give Donetsk and Lugansk special status within the Ukrainian state. The protocols, brokered by Germany and France, were first signed in 2014. Former Ukrainian president Pyotr Poroshenko has since admitted that Kiev’s main goal was to use the ceasefire to buy time and “create powerful armed forces.” Shortly before the hostilities broke out, the Kremlin recognized the Donbass republics as independent states and demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join any Western military bloc. Last September, Donetsk and Lugansk, as well as Kherson and Zaporozhye Regions, were incorporated into Russia following referendums.

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“It’s absolutely fair for me to wish for all Russians and Russia to be wiped off the face of the Earth,” Podoliak tweeted. “It’s not hate speech, it’s not horrible of me, it’s just FAIR.”

Ukrainian Blogger Calls For Genocide Of All Russians (RT)

Ukrainian blogger Melania Podoliak, a prominent guest on Western news channels, has demanded that Russia and its people be “wiped off the face of the earth.” Podoliak issued her call for genocide on Saturday after her own country’s air defense supposedly caused a Russian missile to hit an apartment block. “It’s absolutely fair for me to wish for all Russians and Russia to be wiped off the face of the Earth,” Podoliak tweeted. “It’s not hate speech, it’s not horrible of me, it’s just FAIR.” Podoliak shared an image of an apartment block in the eastern Ukrainian city of Dnepr, which she said was destroyed “after [a] Russian missile attack.” While Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky said that the building was hit by a Russian missile, his adviser, Aleksey Arestovich, admitted afterwards that the missile was shot down by a Ukrainian anti-air weapon, which caused it to hit the building.


Commenters on Twitter hammered Podoliak for being “pro-ethnic cleansing,” but the Ukrainian blogger stood by her statement, responding to critics with expletives. In a follow-up tweet on Sunday, she described Arestovich as “a f**king moron.” Before calling for the deaths of 143 million people, Podoliak was lauded in the West. A former staffer in Ukraine’s parliament, she has been featured on NBC News as a “political activist” demanding the West send heavy weapons to Kiev, and on Fox News as a “media consultant” calling for sanctions on Moscow. On her YouTube channel, she offers viewers links to donate money to the Ukrainian military. Russia’s defense ministry said on Sunday that Saturday’s missile barrage targeted “the military command and control system of Ukraine and associated energy facilities.” Moscow has repeatedly denied targeting civilians, stating that the missile campaign was launched against Ukrainian military and infrastructure targets in response to Ukraine’s “terrorist” attacks on its own infrastructure, including the Crimean Bridge.

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«A human being is part of a whole, called by us the “Universe,” a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest — a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness»
—Albert Einstein

 

 

 

 

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  • #126318
    Dr. D
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    “it would do little to solve the problem because the problem is not primarily the bad guys nor what the bad guys do. The problem is our own personal responsibility in ENABLING those bad guys to do what they do”

    Benton nails it. And that’s why it’s so hair-pulling frustrating and so very very long. “The Plan” isn’t FOR them. The “Plan” is for US. WE are the ones who need to see it and act.

    …Unfortunately most here saw between 10 and 30 years ago. Sucks to be us.

    This is what I mean by WE are the Government, WE are the Army. And the founders said too. Just that nobody understands what that means anymore. WE say This is a job, for anybody else. I will have anything done as I long as I don’t do it. The FBI is evil and I hate guns and policemen which is why I’ll give all jobs I should be responsible for to the government to be executed with guns by the FBI and Police. They do whatever I say and will never turn on me and be first against the wall when the revolution comes. This is a concern. So when the Leftists get taken out like the limp-wristed punks they are, you don’t think they have a replacement in mind?

    Those Davos guys have the AI. They have the data. They run the scenarios, the predictions. They know from AI they can fly to Davos in a tax free private jet, with a vax denier pilot, eat Black Rhino steaks and darter snail escargot, tell you all about it in public, order in undersage girls planetwide, dose them with X, do meth, and Russia won’t attack. You won’t do a damn thing.

    Here’s the problem though: AI isn’t some all-powerful wish-fulfilling sugar daddy. It’s like an alien life form, essentially unknowable, with motivations and responses that are impossible to predict or quantify. A Daemon. A machine consciousness with no thought toward man? Or worse – and we know this is true – it was designed and programmed by irrational psychopaths themselves. It has all their strengths…and all their weaknesses. Every blind spot they have is magnified. Every oversight is compounded. And they put it in near-complete control. They programmed it with their greatest lies, and now it cannot help but lie to them.

    I’ll watch. It will blow itself to kingdom come in the most spectacular way possible. However the process remains that it takes a lot of us with them.

    or, you can TELL GPT what you want, wait less than 5 seconds, and review 30 options.”

    Sure. Have you seen “The Gods Must Be Crazy”? Take the time. It’s about Africa, in Africa. In it, a tribe discovers a coke bottle. It may not be much, but it’s cool, makes music, holds water, smooths snakeskins it’s all things to all people…one problem: there’s only one of them.

    GPT is just a dumb server, not a living AI. It has banks, racks, repairs, maintenance staff, electricity costs… You can have one. But there’s only one. There’s only so many questions per hour it can take. Do you think it can really answer all 8 billion questions of all 8 billion people do all 8 billion peoples’ work? This is like the automated chess robot of the 17th century. Really it was just a tiny guy inside the chess table box. WE are that chess guy , Mr. Third administrator in the AT&T building in Brooklyn, Queens. We the server administrators and power linemen, the UPS hard drive delivery truck. Yes, it CAN do these things, but only as a show, a magician’s sleight of hand. And the distraction here is the volume.

    The other is: garbage in, garbage out. It’s only an imitator. It only knows the old.

    Aaaaaand soon we won’t have a grid or internet to worry about, so…

    Why? Well among other reasons, just hearing these words said make me want to blow it all to h—l just because. Because? Because they destroy being human with poor imitation. Just like the angels and a certain one who went his own way in a poor imitation of God. Very poor indeed. Poverty, inside and out. What do you think us intentionally creating a bad imitation of a flawed humanity will bring? It’s own solution, with its own collapse by its own internal contradictions.

    #126319
    Oroboros
    Participant

    The AI semi-sentience issue vs ‘real humans’ always needs to be considered in relation to Idiocracy.

    The dumbing down of the Sheeple is proceeding at near Warp Speed.

    Look at Presidementia Pedo Joe, could he be ‘deep faked’ in a video having him announcing a ‘preemptive’ nuclear strike against Russia and the majority believing it?

    Why fer-sure!

    Duh-mericans can be fooled big time by AI right now!

    Look around, smell the half-caf extra cinnamon latte

    #126320
    Polemos
    Participant

    When I taught philosophy courses, I did not walk the path taken by majorities of academics, where you “anonymized” the papers and graded them blind. All the professors who raved about this technique framed it as a way to counter biases. I instead got to know my students by engaging them in conversations, had them write papers by hand (where I compared their writing style with their personalities, their perspectives, their participation in class, and learned a lot about all these relations), and made myself face my biases and prejudices by addressing them up front through owning them.

    By humanizing and paying attention with them, I found it not only more difficult for them to “cheat” by plagiarizing, but they found they also learned that by writing out their thoughts by hand rather than typing them, they got to know their own thinking better and found more of themselves through the process. It became easy to even figure out who did the process completely by hand and who typed it up first then copied it. Students who needed accommodation did get it, but more often they wanted to just write without any.

    I think the fashion has done a lot of harm to students and professors, who both begin to think of essays as blocks to assemble rather than a genuine examination of one’s own thoughts by trying out an answer (hard to say at times that Montaigne’s being entirely serious, for example). The students sitting at a computer are easily tempted to let the machine do all the work; the professor grades in denial of where their perspective encounters the strangeness and uncanny familiarity of a student, and also unwittingly succumbs to the temptation to use the machine to judge. In place of this human encounter, the machines go about turning both student and professor into niches the machines need to continue their happy functioning and reach fulfillment.

    So when I read professors or folks wondering how GPT will alter the classroom and lead to cheating, I just note that “the blind” leads the blind. They are already training one another to be unaware of the abyss, the endless beyond, beneath ánd behind each other’s lives and expression, they are already abstracting from the sweat and stench of one another’s presence as people in a classroom, so adding in a further machine aids that process along, and whether that is “good” or “bad” comes down to whether or not you think a machine has a responsibility to love authentically and a capacity to fulfill that commitment in the way that you take students and professors to have the same responsibilities and capacities.

    #126321
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Noticed more desperation from the Collective Westard presstitutes regarding Ukronazilands prospects as winter deepens.

    Empire of Lies
    MSMediawhores headline:

    “Russia Doesn’t Do Well in Winter Warfare”

    Russian soldiers Peak in Winter

    Russian Paratroopers live for Winter

    Locked and loaded

    No AI here

    There’s nothing artificial about this kind of intelligence

    .

    #126322
    WES
    Participant

    Polemos:

    Your comment reminded me of my transition from writing everything on paper to then learning to write everything on a computer.

    Naturally, I learned to print, then hand write on paper because there where no personal computers. I also learned to do math, first in my head, then on a slide rule. (I learned my multiplication/division tables with my Father while having my baths!)

    Then mid-way through post secondary school calculators replaced the slide rule.

    Then a decade later personnel computers came of age. First, I would write down on paper what I wanted to enter into the computer. Then slowly but surely I learned to compose my words on the computer. This wasn’t an easy step. It took some time to transition from paper.

    The computer then allowed me to edit my words more quickly than I could ever do on paper, so I then stopped writing my words on paper using only the computer instead. The computer really opened the floodgates to my writing as one could quickly enter in one’s thoughts in any order as they popped into one’s mind, and then later re-organized them into proper order, edit, and spell check (before auto-correct).

    I have never looked back once I mastered writing on a computer, nor would I want to go back to the not so good olde days!

    #126323
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    No surprise:

    ‘RECORD QSBO WEAKNESS

    Latest NZIER Quarterly Survey of Business Opinion recorded that a net 73% of businesses expect deteriorating conditions in coming months – the weakest reading in the survey’s history dating back to 1961..’

    https://www.interest.co.nz/business/119187/review-things-you-need-know-you-sign-tuesday-few-rate-changes-business-confidence

    #126324
    WES
    Participant

    jb-hb:

    Thank you for writing 5 of 4 today. This is what made the light blub go off in my head about the significance of GPTchat and the recent progress of AI.

    Thanks to Greco, Ram, Red, Dr. D, and Zerosum for your comments too, helping to drive home what jb-hb has been saying.

    Sorry, Raul if GPTchat/AI hijacked today’s TAE. But today would never have happened if you hadn’t done your critical part in making it happen. Life is full of sometimes wonderful surprises!

    #126325

    “This can’t go on,” thought Ransom. (C.S.Lewis “Perelandra”)

    You can’t get people to fight a war they don’t even know is being waged against them, and who may now be too damaged to see it or care.

    #126326
    Antidote
    Participant

    @polemos

    Philip Wylie ‘The Magic Animal’ . Hard core.

    My old pal John McAfee once said:
    “How do we see Truth?
    We have to question every one of our beliefs, even drop them completely.
    If they were true, you will see that truth instantly re-appear around you.
    If they were not, then they were your blindfolds and good riddance.”

    Looking is not the same as seeing. It may lead to it but maybe not. I could wax Quantum but my care for this machine world is waning and I’m good at it.

    #126358
    John Day
    Participant

    Thanks for the threads into threats from sociopaths at the helm of AI: jb-hb, Dr.D, DBS, Wes…
    I seem to be writing an essay.
    Just me. The regular physical-body guy…

    D.U.M.B.s, deep underground military bases, have been knocking around in my peripheral consciousness for days as I did winter-gardening and woodwork in Yoakum, and read through TAE comments before bed at night. Richard Nixon threatening to spill the beans on the CIA and Jerry Ford never went away.
    There is a thread through this, and it includes Catherine Austin Fitts’ “parallel society” and however many trillions have gone missing from the Pentagon and HUD budgets, and it includes “continuity of government”, and therefore 9/11.
    It’s not a “theory”, rather it’s a “hypothesis”. We can just test it by watching passively for the rest of our lives. Maybe there are other tests of such a hypothesis which might present…

    Richard Nixon “knew who killed John” and wanted to blackmail the CIA with that knowledge, and he feared the CIA, so let’s accept the meme that Dulles Inc. “the agency” was instrumental in arranging that deed, and the regime change it produced. George H.W. Bush was head of the CIA in 1976 – 1977, under Ford. I have read that Cheney and Rumsfeld began the continuity of government work under Ford, but it says here that they worked on it formally under Reagan/Bush: https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1525/9780520929944-016/pdf
    During the 1970s Cheney was assistant to Rumsfeld in high positions and rose to White House Chief of Staff under Ford/Rockefeller. Cheney worked with Halliburton, and knew the score on oil. His “energy policy” under Bush II was to control all of the energy in the world, militarily and economically.
    I hypothesize that the Bush Crime Family has been prominent since the Opium Wars, contributed to assassination attempts against FDR (and maybe an eventual success) and was core to the “Military Industrial Complex” which Ike warned about on his way out. George H.W. Bush always said he couldn’t recall where he was on November 22, 1963, but some other people recalled seeing him in Dallas that day.
    You may recall (or not) that “The Limits To Growth” was fairly well accepted as conventional wisdom during the Arab Oil Embargo years of the 1970s, up through Jimmy Carter’s sweater-wearing administration, but repudiated by Ronald Reagan, when Bush was VP and running secret wars under the Iran-Contra deal.
    The Limits To Growth was always intended to influence society, to influence policy. The Club of Rome was that kind of “club”, and there was no real secret that oil was a finite resource back then. Nuke-sub Captain Carter had been an acolyte of Admiral Rickover, who was a proponent of M. King Hubbert’s work about peak-oil timing, which was correct, as US oil production peaked in 1971 or 1972, as Hubbert had predicted.
    I hypothesize that Cheney et al always accepted The Limits To Growth as factually obvious, as Deng Xiao Peng reportedly did. Furthermore, the Cheney-Bush cabal reasoned that society would not openly accept the changes in consumption, which Carter had sincerely advocated, not even the little things.
    Under cover of “great communicator” Reagan, who was working to remove the nuclear threat, Cheney/Rumsfeld worked hard on “continuity of government”, in case of a decapitating nuclear first strike from Russia. Hey, it seemed prudent enough… This was a parallel government, complete in every detail, and appears to have been activated and operated on 9/11/01, though facts remain “classified”.
    The “deep state” remained well and healthy under the Clinton administration, which had always coordinated well with the Bush family. The “Global War On Terror” plans were all made up in advance of the 9/11 events, and were immediately activated that day, including the memory-holing of the $US trillions missing from the Pentagon budget, revealed on 9/10/01 by Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld.
    Unfortunately, the wing of the Pentagon where the Office of Naval Intelligence was reviewing all those books was the same one hit by the disappearing airliner, which some think was a cruise missile with a penetrating warhead.
    Deep Underground Military Bases have been under construction since the Russians got the bomb in the US, and were already a fact-in-the-ground in the UK in the first and second world wars. Their locations and budgets have always been classified secrets. Contractors would always know that any work on such national security projects must remain secret. It was always “normal”, part of doing government work. It would not be unusual for these bases to be large, to have underground railway connections, to have extensive life-support systems, and to have vast supplies of food, fuel and weaponry.
    Our thoughts usually stop about there, because we just can’t get confirmation, so how can we go on?
    We can war-game a scenario in which there is a surface catastrophe and the government/military retreats to command-centers and barracks deep underground for an extended period of time.
    What happens on the surface in this time? That would be important in war-gaming a survival and dominance scenario for the “continuous-government”. What if the surface society were not wiped-out, but was able to continue in enough places, with enough factories, farms, fuel and electrical generation to be able to remain essentially functional, at least in some areas? Would that be “good” or “bad” for the “continuity-government”? It seems like it might be either “good” or “bad”, depending upon whether the surface-dwellers accepted the underground rule, or rejected it as “unconstitutional”, or even “criminal”.
    Military planners would seek to maintain full-spectrum-dominance in all scenarios. The DARPA-net would need to maintain lines of communication and command, but how relevant would the local “commanders” remain when people were all having to solve their own problems on the surface?
    How could control of surface inhabitants be maintained? It would have to be well-established ahead of time, or they might have to be wiped out, which would be a vast loss of their work-utility. The underground authorities would not want to expend much stored food or fuel to maintain control/obedience on the surface. Something cheaper, something to just eliminate non-compliers cheaply would be more utilitarian. Controlling communications should be on the short list. AI controlling surface communications would be a very useful feature. Holding some key to life-itself would be extra special good, but people, plants and animals are self-sufficient under normal circumstances. That one is hard to figure out.
    What if everybody had some kind of illness that could be treated long term and you had all of the medicine? Just thinking out loud here. What are the possibilities? Are there any? Who could look into that?
    What if almost all the surface dwellers in the US got killed, but not in other places, and people came from other places to take over the surface of the US? How could they be controlled? Could they be made obedient? What if they were the Chinese army?
    There are so many scenarios to run, and the need to be dominant runs through all of those scenarios as one of the primary considerations. The need for the surface population to be healthy and productive is secondary to the need for surface dwellers to be universally subservient. That much is kind of like what we see around us every day, especially in the age of COVID, but the subservience is challenged by renegades, who seem to be gaining.
    What now?

    #126369
    John Day
    Participant

    As threatened “D.U.M.B. Prepping” post:
    https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/dumb-prepping

    #126372
    John Day
    Participant

    Ah, Substack links are uploading today, so here is some more of that post.
    There’s a picture of clear glass bowls, “cloches” over tomato seeds, this winter’s early-planting experiment.

    D.U.M.B.s, deep underground military bases, have been knocking around in my peripheral consciousness for days as I did winter-gardening and woodwork in Yoakum, and read through TAE comments before bed at night. Richard Nixon threatening to spill the beans on the CIA and Jerry Ford never went away.
    There is a thread through this, and it includes Catherine Austin Fitts’ “parallel society” and however many trillions have gone missing from the Pentagon and HUD budgets. It also includes “continuity of government”, and therefore 9/11.
    It’s not a “theory”, rather it’s a “hypothesis”. We can just test it by watching passively for the rest of our lives.
    Maybe there are other tests of such a hypothesis which might present themselves as possibilities in our lives.

    Richard Nixon “knew who killed John” and wanted to blackmail the CIA with that knowledge, and he feared the CIA, so let’s accept the meme that Dulles Inc. “the agency” was instrumental in arranging that deed, and the regime change it produced. https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/cia-did-watergate
    George H.W. Bush was head of the CIA in 1976 – 1977, under Ford. I have read that Cheney and Rumsfeld began the continuity of government work under Ford, but it says here that they worked on it formally under Reagan/Bush: https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1525/9780520929944-016/pdf
    During the 1970s Cheney was assistant to Rumsfeld in high positions and rose to White House Chief of Staff under Ford/Rockefeller. Cheney worked with Halliburton, and knew the score on oil. His “energy policy” under Bush II was to control all of the energy in the world, militarily and economically.
    I hypothesize that the Bush Crime Family has been prominent since the Opium Wars, contributed to assassination attempts against FDR (and maybe an eventual success) and was core to the “Military Industrial Complex” which Ike warned about on his way out. George H.W. Bush always said he couldn’t recall where he was on November 22, 1963, but some other people recalled seeing him in Dallas that day.

    You may recall (or not) that “The Limits To Growth” was fairly well accepted as conventional wisdom during the Arab Oil Embargo years of the 1970s, up through Jimmy Carter’s sweater-wearing administration, but repudiated by Ronald Reagan, when Bush was VP and running secret wars under the Iran-Contra deal.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth
    The Limits To Growth was always intended to influence society, to influence governmental policy. The Club of Rome was that kind of “club”. There was no real secret that oil was a finite resource back in the 1970s. Nuke-sub Captain, Jimmy Carter had been an acolyte of Admiral Rickover, who was a proponent of M. King Hubbert’s work about peak-oil timing, which was correct, as US oil production peaked in 1971 or 1972, as Hubbert had predicted.

    I hypothesize that Cheney et al always accepted The Limits To Growth as factually obvious, as Deng Xiao Peng reportedly did. Furthermore, the Cheney-Bush cabal reasoned that society would not openly accept the changes in consumption, which Carter had sincerely advocated, not even the little things.
    Under cover of “great communicator” Reagan, who “did not believe in limits”, and who was working to remove the nuclear threat, Cheney/Rumsfeld worked hard on “continuity of government”, in case of a decapitating nuclear first strike from Russia. Hey, it seemed prudent enough… This was a parallel government, complete in every detail, and appears to have been activated and operated on 9/11/01, though factual details remain “classified”.
    https://www.fema.gov/sites/default/files/documents/fema_sltt-cog-guidance_070921.pdf

    The “deep state” remained well and healthy under the Clinton administration, which had always coordinated well with the Bush family. The “Global War On Terror” plans were all made up in advance of the 9/11 events, and were immediately activated that day, including the memory-holing of the $US trillions missing from the Pentagon budget, revealed on 9/10/01 by Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld.
    Unfortunately, the wing of the Pentagon where the Office of Naval Intelligence was reviewing all those books was the same one hit the next day by the disappearing airliner, which some think was a cruise missile with a penetrating warhead. The investigators died suddenly.

    Deep Underground Military Bases have been under construction since the Russians got the bomb in the US, and were already a fact-in-the-ground in the UK in the first and second world wars. Their locations and budgets have always been classified secrets. Contractors would always know that any work on such national security projects must remain secret. It was always “normal”, part of doing government work. It would not be unusual for these bases to be large, to have underground railway connections, to have extensive life-support systems, and to have vast supplies of food, fuel and weaponry.
    Our thoughts usually stop about there, because we just can’t get confirmation, so how can we go on?

    We can war-game a scenario in which there is a surface catastrophe and the government/military retreats to command-centers and barracks deep underground for an extended period of time.
    What happens on the surface during this time? That would be important in war-gaming a survival and dominance scenario for the “continuous-government”. What if the surface society were not wiped-out, but was able to continue in enough places, with enough factories, farms, fuel and electrical generation to be able to remain essentially functional, at least in some areas? Would that be “good” or “bad” for the “continuity-government”? It seems like it might be either “good” or “bad”, depending upon whether the surface-dwellers accepted the underground rule, or rejected it as “unconstitutional”, or even “criminal”.
    Military planners would seek to maintain full-spectrum-dominance in all scenarios. The DARPA-net would need to maintain lines of communication and command, but how relevant would the local “commanders” remain when people were all having to solve their own problems on the surface?

    How could control of surface inhabitants be maintained? It would have to be well-established ahead of time, or they might have to be wiped out, which would be a vast loss of their work-utility. The underground authorities would not want to expend much stored food or fuel to maintain control/obedience on the surface. Something cheaper, something to just eliminate non-compliers cheaply would be more utilitarian. Controlling communications should be on the short list. AI controlling surface communications would be a very useful feature. Holding some key to life-itself would be extra-special good, but people, plants and animals are self-sufficient under normal circumstances. That one is hard to figure out.
    What if everybody had some kind of illness that could be treated long term and you had all of the medicine? Just thinking out loud here. What are the possibilities? Are there any? Who could look into that?

    What if almost all the surface dwellers in the US got killed, but not in other places, and people came from other places to take over the surface of the US? How could they be controlled? Could they be made obedient? What if they were the Chinese army?
    There are so many scenarios to run, and the need to be dominant runs through all of those scenarios as one of the primary considerations. The need for the surface population to be healthy and productive is secondary to the need for surface dwellers to be universally subservient. That much is kind of like what we see around us every day, especially in the age of COVID, but the subservience is challenged by renegades, who seem to be gaining.
    What now? Can societal control , especially “trust” be renewed somehow, before it degrades into persistent self-reliance?
    Can better lies be made to work, or will it be necessary to resort to partial truths this time (a slippery-slope)?
    It is critical to re-establish a good, durable control-narrative, “noble lie”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_lie#:~:text=In%20politics%2C%20a%20noble%20lie,as%20described%20in%20The%20Republic

    #126373
    John Day
    Participant

    Here is another scenario, a catastrophic scenario, in which D.U.M.B.s would also serve well, the scenario of bad space weather from things like “giant meteor”, magnetic-field collapse and magnetic pole reversal, solar micronova, and/or another Carrington Event.
    This is 17 minutes of plausibility. How much should we consider this scenario? I consider it, but don’t know how I could afford to prepare against this as a possibility. It would take a lot more money than I have. The presentation is alarmist, but this is alarming if it comes to pass.

    It has all happened in the “distant past”. (Well, the Carrington Event was in September 1859 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event )

    This is an explanation of the modern timeline of catastrophism, especially relating to magnetic polar shift, which was researched in the 1940s by the OSS (CIA precursor), as pertaining to over the pole navigation of aircraft and ICBMs. Some of that research data got out, and was “debunked” by the CIA, though Albert Einstein had independently come to think that the earth changed rotational axis at times before he died. There have been further developments since then, such as the suddenly more rapidly weakening of earth’s magnetic field between 2000 and 2020, and not reported upon since then, though measurements are ongoing. One might presume the now-classified magnetic field strength information to be disturbing to the lay public…

    #126403
    ram
    Participant

    The earth’s rotational axis has not changed since its formation. The magnetic field has moved and even flipped polarity many times. In recent years the magnetic poles, have been drifting rather significantly. Also, certain places, e.g. Western Australia, have major magnetic field differences. This is all known geophysics.

    Meteor strikes, increased vulcanism, and ice cap melting are also known to happen, for various reasons, and sometimes even together. Since the earthquake intensity increases with any and all of those events, being deep underground doesn’t do anyone any good. Talk to some hard rock underground mining engineers about “Rock Bursts” and similar “entertainments”.

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