Jul 242023
 


Jackson Pollock Number 31 1949

 

Weird That NATO Failed to Foresee Botched Counteroffensive – Larry Johnson (Sp.)
West Knew Ukraine Wasn’t Ready For Counteroffensive – WSJ (RT)
West’s Hopes for Breakthrough in Ukraine’s Counteroffensive Dashed (Sp.)
Wagner Fighters Want To ‘Visit’ Poland – Lukashenko (RT)
Putin Cracks Down On ‘Angry Patriots’ In Wake Of Wagner Mutiny (ZH)
UK Media Now Admitting NATO’s Proxy War in Ukraine is a Disaster (21C)
Demining Ukraine Will Take 757 Years – WaPo (RT)
Putin Says Grain Deal Used to Enrich US, Europe, Lost Its Meaning (Sp.)
Russia Prevented From Giving Free Fertilizers To Poorest Nations – Putin (TASS)
More Than 40 Countries Willing To Join BRICS –Official (RT)
Hunter Phones A Friend (Miranda Devine)
Trump To Face Trial Before Election (RT)
Trump Calls Biden ‘Stupid’ For Revealing US Has Run Out of Ammo (Sp.)
Greece Heatwave Likely To Become Longest Country Has Ever Recorded (RT)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Macgregor

Former Pentagon adviser Douglas McGregor:
NATO may not come out unscathed from this war in Ukraine, and I believe that there will be a change of governments in Europe and we will see the emergence of new leaders who will say: “Why are we going after these Americans?” If Russia was the aggressor against Ukraine, the situation would be different now, and we would see Russians on the borders of Poland after they destroyed Ukraine, but this did not happen, because the Russians do not want this.

Ukraine is to Russia what Mexico is to America. If there was an army in Mexico fully equipped to attack us, we would not hesitate to destroy it, which the Russians did. We lack diplomats and mature and moderate military leaders, and today we only have people whose ideology has blinded them to the truth, so it is difficult to do something good with us. The West wants to destroy Russia, plunder its resources.

 

 

 

 

“I wonder was everybody asleep over the last six-seven months?”

Weird That NATO Failed to Foresee Botched Counteroffensive – Larry Johnson (Sp.)

The US mainstream press laments the fact that Ukraine’s “small territorial gains come at an outsize cost,” citing multiple obstacles in the path of the Ukrainian campaign, including weary soldiers, shortage of ammo, and, above all, Russia’s fortifications and minefields. One US media outlet quoted a former US Special Forces engineer as saying that Russia’s minefields are unlike anything he has ever seen and that battling these traps is “exhausting.”
Appearing on a web podcast on July 22, Larry Johnson, a veteran of the CIA and former analyst at the State Department’s Office of Counterterrorism, said he is perplexed that Russia’s fortification caught the West by surprise. “I wonder was everybody asleep over the last six-seven months?” Johnson asked.

When Russia pulled out Kherson and pulled out Kharkov the last fall, it then publicly embarked on a plan of building a defensive line along the southern front, he recalled. Obviously, the Russians planted mines in front of their fortifications, according to him. Per the CIA veteran, there is nothing new in Russia’s tactics and NATO has enough reconnaissance and intelligence capabilities to monitor and see how Russia created those minefields. It was predictable that the Ukrainian Armed Forces would be stalled and trapped early in the counteroffensive effort, according to Johnson. The former CIA analyst highlighted that he had earlier forecast that the Ukrainian counteroffensive would be doomed without aviation, self-propelled artillery, installations and air defense systems.

Ukraine’s long-delayed counteroffensive kicked off on June 4. For five weeks, the Ukrainian military has been firing a great deal of shells and missiles and sending sappers to demine the fields in order to make some progress on the ground. However, they cannot boast of any successes, generating concerns in the West that the government of President Volodymyr Zelensky “may not deliver as powerful a blow as it could,” according to the US media.

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But what’s 100,000 Ukrainian lives?

West Knew Ukraine Wasn’t Ready For Counteroffensive – WSJ (RT)

Western military officials knew earlier this year that Ukraine lacked the supplies and training to launch a successful counteroffensive against Russian forces, but allowed Kiev to launch its disastrous operation regardless, the Wall Street Journal reported on Saturday. Nearly two months after it began, Ukraine’s counteroffensive remains stalled. Advancing through Russian minefields without air support or adequate anti-air weapons, the Ukrainian military has lost 26,000 men and more than 3,000 pieces of hardware, according to the latest figures from Moscow. In return, Ukraine has captured only a handful of hamlets and villages, while failing to penetrate Russia’s multi-layered network of defensive trenches and emplacements.

The US and its allies knew that such an outcome was inevitable, according to the Wall Street Journal. Citing leaked Pentagon documents, the newspaper claimed that US military analysts counted a “tiny number” of Ukrainian weapons capable of hitting Russian aircraft, and determined that Kiev would face an “inability to prevent Russian air superiority.” “America would never attempt to defeat a prepared defense without air superiority, but [the Ukrainians] don’t have air superiority,” John Nagl, a retired US Army lieutenant colonel, told the paper. “It’s impossible to overstate how important air superiority is for fighting a ground fight at a reasonable cost in casualties.”

In public, American officials told a different story. “We believe that the Ukrainians will meet with success in this counteroffensive,” White House national security advisor Jake Sullivan told CNN on the eve of the operation. Several months earlier, Dan Rice, an Iraq War veteran who now serves as an adviser to the Ukrainian armed forces, declared that the counteroffensive would “shock the world” with its success. European leaders were similarly optimistic. Polish President Andrzej Duda, who has been one of Kiev’s most fervent backers, announced in early June that the operation would lead to “the ousting of Russian military forces from all occupied territories.”

Western officials have since downgraded their expectations, and are privately “alarmed” at the lack of results on the battlefield, according to recent media reports. Western governments are therefore at a crossroads, and will soon need to decide whether to commit the massive amounts of arms, equipment, and money necessary to support Kiev in a longer conflict, the Wall Street Journal explained, citing anonymous diplomats. Russian President Vladimir Putin has described Ukraine’s counteroffensive as “suicidal.” In a public address on Friday, he pointed out that despite the “colossal amounts of resources,” and “thousands of foreign mercenaries and advisers” that Kiev has received from the West, its counteroffensive has still resulted in failure.

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“..And we are confident that the Ukrainians have what they need..”

West’s Hopes for Breakthrough in Ukraine’s Counteroffensive Dashed (Sp.)

Western countries knew that Ukraine did not have enough weapons and training for the counteroffensive, but hoped that Ukrainian courage and resourcefulness would save the day; however, these hopes have been dashed, the US press admits. Russia’s resistance, airpower, and extensive fortifications blocked the Kiev regime’s advance and eventually led to Ukraine’s counteroffensive stalling. There is a risk of Ukrainian lives and equipment being lost without any shift in momentum, as per a US mainstream media outlet. The media outlet noted that as the likelihood of any large-scale breakthrough by the Ukrainian forces this year fades, it raises the “unsettling prospect” for Washington and its NATO allies of a “longer war” which would require more armaments and even more training.

Under these circumstances, the political calculus for the Biden administration appears especially complicated given the forthcoming election in November 2024. While the EU is continuing to help Ukraine, European leaders are unlikely to make a significant increase in aid to Ukraine if they feel a lack of enthusiasm from the United States, the newspaper noted. At the end of June, the Pentagon stated that they initially understood that the counteroffensive would be tough and entail casualties among their ranks. Still, US war planners claimed the Kiev regime was well-equipped. “Our assessments have been pretty clear from the beginning. We know this is going to be a hard fight. We know this is going to take time. And we are confident that the Ukrainians have what they need,” claimed Deputy Pentagon Press Secretary Sabrina Singh on June 21.

“We have accounted for losses. We know there are going to be losses on the battlefield. That’s the unfortunate part of this war,” she added. However, it appears that Washington did not expect that the losses would be so heavy. The long-advertised Ukrainian counteroffensive in the South Donetsk, Artemovsk (Bakhmut), and Zaporozhye directions started on June 4 after months of delays. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky complained in an interview with the Western press earlier this month that the effort couldn’t start earlier due to a lack of weaponry. Kiev deployed NATO-trained brigades armed with Western equipment, including the much-touted Leopard tanks. Shortly after, images of burned and damaged NATO-grade weaponry started to pop up in the media and social networks.

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Maybe not…

Wagner Fighters Want To ‘Visit’ Poland – Lukashenko (RT)

Fighters from the private military company (PMC) Wagner want to “visit” Poland, Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko told his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin on Sunday. According to Lukashenko, the PMC’S members want to reach the Polish capital Warsaw and the city of eastern city of Rzeszow, which they believe was a hub for providing Ukrainian troops with military hardware during the fighting for the key Donbass city of Artyomovsk (also known as Bakhmut). After the failed mutiny attempt in June, Wagner members were offered the opportunity to retire, sign contracts with the Russian military, or relocate to Belarus together with the group’s chief, Evgeny Prigozhin.

According to Lukashenko, the fighters hosted in the country are starting to “concern” local authorities, as they want to “go on tour to Poland” to visit Warsaw and Rzeszow, which they believe was a hub for providing Ukrainian troops with military hardware during the fighting for the key Donbass city of Artyomovsk (also known as Bakhmut). “They know where the military hardware [to support Ukrainian troops] came from during the fighting in Artyomovsk,” the Belarusian president explained on Sunday during his meeting with Putin. “So they have this internal feeling that Rzeszow is trouble.”

He also noted that the Wagner members know “what’s going on around the Union State [of Russia and Belarus],” so he wouldn’t like to have them relocated somewhere away from the center of the country, particularly given that they are in what he characterized as a “bad mood.” On Friday, Putin claimed that Polish leaders are planning to form a NATO-backed coalition to intervene in the Ukraine conflict and take over parts of western Ukraine. Belarusian territory might also be endangered, he added, promising retaliation in case of any aggression against the Union State member.

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Not mentioned: Igor Vsevolodovich Girkin, aka Igor Ivanovich Strelkov, is also one of the main suspects in the MH17 downing.

Putin Cracks Down On ‘Angry Patriots’ In Wake Of Wagner Mutiny (ZH)

Russian President Vladimir Putin has continued cleaning house in the wake of last month’s Wagner mutiny and short-lived uprising. In a bold move, he and his defense ministry are cracking down even on pro-Kremlin ‘patriots’—but who have publicly criticized top decision-making and how Moscow has handled the Ukraine war effort. On Friday a prominent blogger who has taken a critical stance on war strategy and Putin himself was arrested. Igor Girkin is a longtime proponent of the invasion of Ukraine, and is an ex-security official who led Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region in 2014. He also helped Crimea enter under the Russian Federation that same year.

Shortly after last year’s start of the February invasion, he co-founded an ultra-nationalist political group called the Angry Patriots Club, and is a popular pro-war blogger. These are hardliners who tend to think the Kremlin has been too restrained in Ukraine. In the wake of the June 22-23 Wagner mutiny, he suggested Putin is “not ready” for difficult decision-making under war-time conditions. And this week, he went so far as to call Putin a “low life”. According to a CNN translation of some key quotes he’s posted publicly: The day after Wagner’s brief insurrection ended, on June 25, he said that if Putin “is not ready to take the leadership over the creation of war-ready conditions” in Russia, “then he really needs to transfer the powers, but legally, to someone who is capable of such hard work.”

But the final straw for Putin may have come on Tuesday, when Girkin called the president a “lowlife” and a “cowardly bum” in a blistering post on his Telegram channel. “For 23 years, the country was led by a lowlife who managed to ‘blow dust in the eyes’ of a significant part of the population. Now he is the last island of legitimacy and stability of the state,” the post read. “But the country will not be able to withstand another six years of this cowardly bum in power.” Girkin’s lawyer confirmed Friday that following his arrest a Moscow court has given him pretrial detention until at least Sept.18. The charge against him is “extremism”. Below is analysis via regional observer Tatiana Stanovaya, who points out that “This is a direct outcome of Prigozhin’s mutiny: the army’s command now wields greater political leverage to quash its opponents.”…

“This is a moment many within the siloviki have eagerly awaited. Strelkov had overstepped all conceivable boundaries a long time ago, sparking the desire among security forces — from the FSB to military chiefs — to apprehend him. The complaint came from a former commander of the Wagner Group. At this point, the source of the accusation is inconsequential — it does not come from Wagner in its current, let’s put it softly, difficult state.” “Strelkov’s arrest undeniably serves the interests of the Ministry of Defense. This is a direct outcome of Prigozhin’s mutiny: the army’s command now wields greater political leverage to quash its opponents in the public sphere. It’s unlikely that there will be massive repressions against ‘angry patriots,’ but the most vehement dissenters may face prosecution, serving as a cautionary tale for others.”

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Just stop it.

UK Media Now Admitting NATO’s Proxy War in Ukraine is a Disaster (21C)

After 18 months, it looks like the propaganda dam that’s been holding up the official NATO narrative on Ukraine – has finally begun to crack in the UK mainstream media. It seems that the bevy of journalists and military pundits who’ve been insisting for the last 18 months that “Ukraine is winning”, have finally convened and appear to have collectively decided that maybe it’s high time to begin facing reality and accept that the Ukrainian army’s much-vaunted ‘counter offensive’ came and went with no success. Truth be known: there was never any actual counter offensive, rather, it was strictly a media-driven mirage, specifically designed to help keep the money and weapons flowing into an increasingly disastrous proxy war ahead of this month’s lack-luster NATO Summit in Vilnius.

The legacy media’s belated acknowledgment of this epic failure is a symptom of their own chronic and misguided approach to the war from day one, which can only be described as a deluded, albeit shameless lockstep propaganda campaign that would make even Stalin’s information minister wince. Interestingly, throughout the conflict, The Telegraph has been one of the main pro-war propaganda echo chambers on social media, regularly host hosting Twitter Spaces frequented by NAFO “fellas” (NATO’s 100K strong online trolling army), with various ‘experts’ regularly coming on making outrageous and unsubstantiated claims about Russian military maneuvers manuevers and alleged war crimes. The MSM are now playing catch-up to reality… Robert Clark from the UK Telegraph writes in his recent piece, “Ukraine and the West are facing a devastating defeat”…

Since Putin’s tanks crossed into Ukrainian territory last year, three options have been on the table for how this war would end: victory for one side or the other, a frozen conflict or a negotiated settlement. The public comments made this week by Oleksiy Arestovych, a former advisor to Volodymyr Zelensky’s chief of staff, appear to indicate the last may be more likely than previously thought. Arestovych raised the prospect of Ukraine making territorial concessions in return for the rest of the country receiving the most cast-iron security guarantee there is: Nato membership. These comments have proved highly controversial. Not only would such an outcome be unpalatable to many in Kyiv and other European capitals, raising it as a possibility highlights a growing uncertainty about the long-term sustainability of the war – particularly amongst Ukraine’s western backers.

Arestovych’s suggestion comes at a crucial time. The long-planned counter-offensive, now in its second month, has run into several problems – not least that Kyiv is still waiting for approximately half of the western military equipment promised earlier in the year. Meanwhile, its forces are under increasing pressure to commit its reserves as Russian troops – despite reports of low morale across the front – remain dug-in, seemingly committed to defending every inch of Ukrainian ground captured since last year. As Russian minefields take their toll on western-supplied tanks and Ukrainian sappers, their forces have so-far retaken approximately five miles of the sixty miles they need to split the land-bridge connecting Russia to Crimea. The land between Mariupol in the east and Melitopol to the west is seen as the vital ground to achieving this.

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“The sheer quantity of ordnance in Ukraine is just unprecedented in the last 30 years. There’s nothing like it..”

Demining Ukraine Will Take 757 Years – WaPo (RT)

The conflict with Russia has turned Ukraine into the “most mined country” in the world, the Washington Post reported on Saturday, citing data from the nation’s government and several non-governmental humanitarian mine clearance groups. Almost one-third of Ukraine’s territory has been affected by heavy fighting and will likely require intense demining operations, the media outlet said, adding that over 67,000 square miles (173,529 square kilometers) have been contaminated with unexploded ordnance, according to Slovakia-based think tank GLOBSEC. That’s more than the size of Florida and roughly equivalent to Uruguay. “The sheer quantity of ordnance in Ukraine is just unprecedented in the last 30 years. There’s nothing like it,” Greg Crowther, the director of programs at British NGO Mines Advisory Group, told the Washington Post.

According to UN data, almost 300 civilians, including 22 children, died in Ukraine in incidents linked to unexploded ordnance between February 2022 and July 2023, the Post reported. Mines and other unexploded munitions also resulted in 632 civilian injuries over the same period, it added. Both sides of the conflict actively use mines in their operations, the media outlet noted. The US also contributed to the mining of Ukrainian territory by supplying Kiev with 155-millimeter artillery rounds that create temporary minefields, although their submunitions are technically supposed to self-destruct, the Washington Post reported. Another US-made ordnance that was sent into Ukraine was the M21 anti-tank mine, which does not self-destruct, it added.

Washington’s decision to provide Kiev with US-made “cluster munitions, which are known to scatter duds that fail to explode, can only add to the danger,” the media outlet said. According to some estimates, it could take 757 years to clear all of the unexploded ordnance scattered around the country, even if 500 demining teams were tasked with the mission, the Washington Post reported. World Bank estimates show that the cost of these operations could reach $37.4 billion in just the next ten years, it added. Washington has so far committed just around $95 million to demining operations in Ukraine, according to a 2023 State Department report.

On Friday, UN Under Secretary General for Political and Peacebuilding Affairs Rosemary DiCarlo warned the UN Security Council that huge swathes of Ukrainian territory have been covered in mines and cluster bombs that will “continue to pose danger to civilians for years to come.” Earlier this week, Russia’s ambassador to the US, Anatoly Antonov, blasted Washington for turning Ukraine into a “burial ground” for lethal waste.

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“..there is no longer any use in continuing the ‘grain deal’ as it has failed to serve its original humanitarian purpose.”

Putin Says Grain Deal Used to Enrich US, Europe, Lost Its Meaning (Sp.)

The grain deal did not justify its humanitarian purpose and was used only to enrich the United States and Europe, Russian President Vladimir Putin wrote in an article titled “Russia and Africa: Joining Efforts for Peace, Progress and a Successful Future” published by the Kremlin on Monday. The Black Sea Grain Initiative, commonly known as the grain deal, which provided for a humanitarian corridor to allow exports of Ukrainian grain over the past year, expired on July 18, as Russia did not extend its participation. Moscow has been repeatedly critical of the fact that the deal’s provisions pertaining to Russia had not been fulfilled.

“Many have probably heard of the so-called ‘grain deal,’ whose initial purpose was to ensure global food security, reduce the threat of hunger and help the poorest countries of Africa, Asia and Latin America – the reason why Russia undertook the obligation to facilitate its implementation in the first place. This ‘deal,’ however, while it was publicly advertised by the West as a gesture of goodwill that benefited Africa, has in fact been shamelessly used solely for the enrichment of large US and European businesses that exported and resold grain from Ukraine,” Putin said. The Russian president emphasized that, in almost a year, a total of 32.8 million tonnes (metric tons) of supplies were exported from Ukraine under the grain deal, with over 70% of the exports ending up in high- and upper-middle-income countries, while countries such as Ethiopia, Sudan and Somalia, as well as Yemen and Afghanistan, received less than 3% of the supplies.

“In the meantime, none of the ‘deal’ provisions relating to the exemption from sanctions of Russian grain and fertiliser exports to world markets, were fulfilled,” Putin wrote. The Russian president stressed that barriers have been mounted to Russia’s attempts to supply free of charge mineral fertilizers to the poorest countries in need. “Of 262,000 tonnes of goods blocked in European ports, only two shipments were delivered – one of 20,000 tonnes to Malawi and one of 34,000 tonnes to Kenya. The rest is still unscrupulously held by the Europeans. And this is a purely humanitarian initiative we are talking about, which should be exempt from any sanctions as such,” Putin said, adding that, considering all these facts, “there is no longer any use in continuing the ‘grain deal’ as it has failed to serve its original humanitarian purpose.”

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“is a purely humanitarian initiative we are talking about, which should be exempt from any sanctions as such.”

Russia Prevented From Giving Free Fertilizers To Poorest Nations – Putin (TASS)

While Russia has been sending fertilizers to the world’s poorest countries free of charge, the West has been mounting barriers by blocking a substantial portion of supplies and holding it `unscrupulously’, Russian President Vladimir Putin wrote in his article for the 2nd Russia-Africa Summit to be held in St. Petersburg later this week. “Barriers have been mounted even to our attempts to supply free of charge mineral fertilizers to the poorest countries in need. Of 262,000 metric tons of goods blocked in European ports, only two shipments were delivered – one of 20,000 metric tons to Malawi and the other of 34,000 metric tons to Kenya. The rest is still being unscrupulously held by the Europeans,” Putin lamented.


And this, the Russian leader said, “is a purely humanitarian initiative we are talking about, which should be exempt from any sanctions as such.” The second Russia-Africa Summit and Economic Forum is slated for July 27-28 in St. Petersburg. The first such event was held in Sochi on October 22-24, 2019 under the slogan “For peace, security and development.”.

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“22 countries have formally applied to join the group..”

More Than 40 Countries Willing To Join BRICS –Official (RT)

More than 40 countries have shown an interest in joining BRICS, Anil Sooklal, South Africa’s ambassador-at-large responsible for ties with the economic alliance and Asian countries, has said. The diplomat told reporters in Johannesburg on Thursday that 22 countries have formally applied to join the group, while “an equal number” of states “have been informally asking about becoming BRICS members.”= Speaking with RT on Sunday, Sooklal described BRICS as an “inclusive” organization that has always been open to dialogue with the larger global community. The group currently comprises Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa, and accounts for over 40% of the global population and nearly a quarter of the world’s GDP.

Sooklal said that BRICS does not distinguish between the Global North and Global South and is ready to talk to any country that “has the same vision for a more inclusive and equitable global order where we do not marginalize large parts of the world,” including many developing nations. The diplomat went on to point out that while the United Nations has yet to embark on comprehensive reforms that would give emerging countries a greater voice, BRICS has charted its own path to remedy the situation. However, he stressed that the bloc “does not seek to become a dominant economic force,” but rather wants to have “a major influence in an inclusive manner to work for change.”

“We don’t want a world where we have one or two global hegemons,” he added, explaining that such a distribution of power sows division in the global community. Sooklal had earlier said in comments to journalists that Argentina, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates were among those countries looking to join the bloc. South Africa will host the BRICS annual summit this year, which will take place in Johannesburg from August 22-24, with President Cyril Ramaphosa having sent invitations to nearly 70 global leaders.

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Never talked to Hunter about his business…

Hunter Phones A Friend (Miranda Devine)

Hunter Biden would dial in his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, on speakerphone into meetings with his overseas business partners, according to testimony expected before Congress this week from Devon Archer, the first son’s former best friend. Archer, 48, who is facing jail for his role in a $60 million bond fraud, is scheduled to testify to the House Oversight Committee about meetings he witnessed that were attended by Joe Biden either in person or via speakerphone when Hunter would call his father and introduce him to foreign business partners or prospective investors. “We are looking forward very much to hearing from Devon Archer about all the times he has witnessed Joe Biden meeting with Hunter Biden’s overseas business partners when he was vice president, including on speakerphone,” says Rep. James Comer (R-Ky.), the committee chairman.

One such meeting was in Dubai late in the evening of Friday, Dec. 4, 2015, after a board meeting of the Ukrainian energy company Burisma, which was paying Hunter $83,000 a month as a director. Archer, who also was a director, is expected to testify that, after dinner with the Burisma board at the Burj Al Arab Hotel, he and Hunter traveled six miles north to the Four Seasons Resort Dubai at Jumeirah Beach to have a drink with one of Hunter’s friends. While they were sitting outside at the bar, Vadym Pozharskyi, a senior Burisma executive, phoned to ask where they were because Burisma’s owner Mykola Zlochevsky needed to speak to Hunter urgently. Soon afterward, the two Ukrainians joined Hunter and Archer at the Four Seasons bar and Pozharskyi asked Hunter: “Can you ring your dad?” At the time it was early afternoon, Friday, in Washington, DC.

Hunter then called his father, put him on speaker, placed the phone on the table, and introduced the Ukrainians to Joe Biden by name as “Nikolai and Vadym.” He also said words to the effect that the Burisma bigwigs “need our support.” VP Biden greeted the Ukrainians but spoke only in vague pleasantries during the short call, and in other such interactions with Hunter’s overseas business partners, Archer is expected to testify. Congressional investigators are expected to probe the reasons for Zlochevsky requesting the urgent phone call with Joe Biden. They will note the context, that three days after the speakerphone call, the then-vice president, who was the Obama administration’s point man for Ukraine, was due to fly to Kyiv to address the Ukrainian parliament, known as the “Rada,” on Dec. 9, 2015, about the “poison of cronyism, corruption, and kleptocracy.”

Ten weeks before the call, on Sept. 24, 2015, US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt had given a speech about corruption in Odessa, in which he targeted Zlochevsky by name. By then, Ukrainian prosecutor general Viktor Shokin was investigating Burisma for corruption and, within two months, on Feb. 2, 2016, would seize four houses in Kyiv, two plots of land and a Rolls Royce belonging to Zlochevsky, who was living in exile in Dubai. A month later, Shokin was fired, after Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion in US aid to Ukraine.

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Not Biden but Trump faces trial.

Trump To Face Trial Before Election (RT)

Former US President Donald Trump is to stand trial on charges of mishandling classified documents in May 2024, a court order issued on Friday suggested. The date pushes the court hearings deep into the 2024 US presidential race. US District Judge Aileen Cannon ordered the trial to start on May 24. A pretrial hearing in Trump’s case is to be held on May 14. The dates place the hearings after most state primaries that are scheduled to be finished by mid-May, the US media report. Nebraska, Maryland and West Virginia are expected to hold their primary votes right on May 14, according to CNN. Oregon is to do it a week later and a few states, including New Jersey will vote on June 4, the network added.

According to AP, the Republican presidential nominee might be already clear by the time Trump is to arrive before the court, even though the official nomination would only take place at the Republican National Convention in July 2024. Two weeks ago, Trump’s lawyers demanded his trial be delayed until after the 2024 presidential election. The prosecutors also requested a four-month postponement and called on the trial to be moved to December 2023. Cannon ruled on Friday that “the Government’s proposed schedule is atypically accelerated and inconsistent with ensuring a fair trial,” adding that the amount of evidence that needs to be examined in this case is “voluminous and likely to increase in the normal course as trial approaches.”

“The Court finds that the interests of justice served by this continuance outweigh the best interest of the public and Defendants in a speedy trial,” she added. Trump’s campaign already hailed the decision as a “major setback to the DOJ’s crusade to deny President Trump a fair legal process.” The “extensive schedule” would allow Trump and his legal team to “continue fighting this empty hoax,” it added. Trump pleaded not guilty last month to 37 felony counts regarding his alleged mishandling of classified documents following his departure from the White House.

The 300-plus documents were recovered by the FBI, including during a controversial raid on Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate last August. They reportedly included classified national security material related to nuclear secrets and the country’s defense capabilities. Trump repeatedly argued he had “every right” to keep the documents in question. He also told Fox News earlier that he had no time to return them when asked by the federal officials. The indictment saw Trump’s polling lead double over his closest rival for the Republican 2024 nomination, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. The former US president was also polling ahead of the incumbent one, Joe Biden.

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“Look at all the money we’re giving to Ukraine and yet Ukraine was paying the Biden family a fortune..”

Trump Calls Biden ‘Stupid’ For Revealing US Has Run Out of Ammo (Sp.)

President Biden revealed earlier this month that the Ukrainian army was “running out” of 155mm artillery ammunition and that the US was “low on it,” and that this played a role in his controversial decision to send cluster munition to Ukraine. Biden’s talking points were echoed by Pentagon and White House officials. Former President Donald Trump has lashed out at Joe Biden for revealing that the United States is running low on ammunition amid its failing proxy-war with Russia in Ukraine. “We have a man that doesn’t understand what he’s doing. We have a man that yesterday stood up and told the whole world that we have no ammunition. You know I had every ammunition building full to the brim three years ago. We’ve given it all away. But if you gave it all away…the only thing worse than that is to tell the world that we have no [ammunition]. He has told China and these other places that are hostile that we have no ammunition,” Trump said in a TV interview Sunday.

“By the way you talk about classified documents – that’s worse than any document that you could give. So now these people are sitting back, in China and other places that hate us including North Korea where I had a very good relationship with Kim Jong-un and kept our country safe – they’re talking about the United States of America has no ammunition, think of it. How stupid can somebody be to say that?” Trump asked. Trump, who is currently leading in polling for the Republican nomination in 2024, and is five points ahead of Biden in polling for the general election, accused the sitting president of corruption in Ukraine. “Look at all the money we’re giving to Ukraine and yet Ukraine was paying the Biden family a fortune,” Trump said, presumably referring to reports that Biden and his son Hunter allegedly received millions of dollars from a Ukrainian businessman while Joe Biden was serving as Barack Obama’s vice president in an alleged pay-to-play corruption scheme.

Asked if he would cut off funding to Ukraine, Trump answered “I’d get the war settled. The money is – number one I’d tell Europe ‘you’re about $100 billion+ short. You gotta pay.’ Because Europe is smiling all the way to the bank…Europe is doing very little compared to the United States and it affects them more. No matter how you look at it, they’re right there, we’re an ocean apart. Why are we at $150 billion and they’re at $20 [billion]? You know their economy is almost exactly our size if you add it all up…They should be at the same number that we’re at if not more.” Trump also repeated his earlier warnings about the dangers of the current Russia-NATO proxy conflict in Ukraine owing to the existence of nuclear weapons.

“This is the most dangerous time in the history of our country because of weaponry. The nuclear power is so enormous – this isn’t two army tanks going and shooting each other in World War I, World War II, or soldiers standing behind a bunker and shooting people,” Trump said.

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Local news :-). Makes the work on TAE a challenge.

Greece Heatwave Likely To Become Longest Country Has Ever Recorded (RT)

A heat wave baking Greece is likely to become the longest the country has ever recorded, experts say, as the country battles wildfires and restricts access to its popular tourist sites, Report informs via CNN. Visiting hours for the Acropolis and other archaeological sites have been revised with temperatures soaring. Staff at some sites are on strike to protests working conditions. “We will probably go through 15 to 16 days of a heat wave, which has never happened before in our country,” the Director of Research at the National Observatory of Athens Kostas Lagouvardos told CNN.


He told CNN that the streak could go beyond those days, but at the moment “it’s hard to predict.” The longest continuous heatwave that Greece has faced was 12 days long, back in July 1987, Lagouvardos said. Lagouvardos said temperatures in Athens this summer could possibly break the city’s all-time record, which was set in June 2007, when Athens registered 44.8 degrees Celsius (112.64 degrees Fahrenheit). The authorities have been battling wildfires in several areas, including the island of Rhodes where Reuters said hundreds have been forced to evacuate.

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  • #139725
    Noirette
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    On Western hopes (now supposedly! .. dashed) re the UKR counter-offensive (see some news posted by Ilargi at top), those in charge, and no doubt many others, knew perfectly well the ‘counter offensive’ would FAIL in the sense that UKR would gain no ground, log no victories of any kind, would just be moving soldiers and matériel into the meat grinder, to be chewed up by Russian forces.

    That is no matter, as nobody in ‘Collective West’ cares at all for UKR or Ukranians, they are just pawns in the Game.

    In this proxy war, Slavs are killing Slavs, that is wonderful, and has to be kept up as long as possible. As some US pol said, the more Russians are killed, the better it is… was L. Graham iirc … Ukranians are fulfilling a holy sacrificial cause, so there is that! Nobody will thank them though, ever.

    The question is, how is UKR to be cut up, and what pieces of the Pie will be apportioned to different factions, which on paper will be made to look like ‘Nations’ (to Russia, the Donbass, already partly done, Odessa most likely as well, more for sure, heh lots of questions there, maybe some territory to Poland ..) but will *de facto* be dominated, and run, by Corporations, Oligarchs, in collusion with puppet ‘Goverments’ – not new.

    #139726
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @MyParentsSaidKnow.

    BloombergTelevision: “Ukraine Economic Recovery Depends on Millions of Women Returning”.
    (In a news box).”

    It makes ya wonder why the toadies at Bloomberg even bother to move their fingers on the key board to write such crap. I’m so tempted to do their job for them since they are so obviously incapable of doing it.

    Here, Lemme just wiggle my fingers on the keyboard for a minute just fix up that little headline of theirs for them:

    “BloombergTelevision: “Ukraine Economic Recovery Depends on Millions of Women Returning, Along with Millions of Other Recovery Kinds of Things That Also Can’t Possibly Happen”.
    (In a news box).”

    #139727
    Oroboros
    Participant

    BloombergTelevision: “Ukraine Economic Recovery Depends on Millions of Women Returning”.

    Everyone who left the most corrupt Shithole© in all of Eurotardistan is never going back.

    Ukraine is already gone.

    It’s like a Norwegian Blue Parrot, nailed to it’s perch.

    #139728
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Nazilensky singing to the Women of Ukronaziland, they are all Ophelias now

    Ophelia
    The Band

    Boards on the window, mail by the door
    What would anybody leave so quickly for?
    Ophelia, where have you gone?

    The old neighborhood just ain’t the same
    Nobody knows just what became of
    Ophelia, tell me, what went wrong?

    Was it somethin’ that somebody said?
    Mama, I know we broke the rules
    Was somebody up against the law?
    Honey, you know I’d die for you

    Ashes of laughter, the coast is clear
    Why do the best things always disappear

    Like Ophelia, please darken my door

    Was it somethin’ that somebody said?
    Honey, you know we broke the rules
    Was somebody up against the law?
    Honey, you know I’d die for you

    They got your number, scared and runnin’
    But I’m still waitin’ for the second comin’

    Of Ophelia, come back home

    #139729
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Lift the Weight from your shoulders Ophelia

    #139730
    jb-hb
    Participant

    Afewknowthetruth – I almost missed this even more glaring statement you made yesterday

    What matters is the set of conditions of present times, i.e. atmospheric CO2 around 140 ppm above the preindustrial level of 280 ppm [a fancy intentionally deceptive way of saying 0.028% – two HUDREDTHS

      OF a

    percent and 8 thousandths OF a percent] and the accelerating meltdown that ensues from that highly elevated level

    at 280ppm (0.028%) THE PLANTS DIE

    All the plants dying is your IDEAL STATE for the earth to be in. Because you are in a death cult.

    Also, remember when the Vikings were growing crops and livestock in Greenland? You know, your precious “pre industrial levels”

    That was warm enough – per YOUR 1000x assertions – to cause “the accelerating meltdown.”

    So you’re dead. You were never born. Because the earth melted down in the time of Erik The Red – per your “Scientific” information.

    #139731
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    A lot more people are coming on board to an awareness that the controllers who can’t control anything well are now insisting on acquiring even more control, which everyone sees as a Merry-Go-Round to hell . . . and so they don’t want that to happen, and they do want to fix it. They are just dumbstruck by the level of stupidity of the world’s leaders, but it has not yet occurred to them that the aforementioned stupidity and inability to fix anything might be (is) both fully understood and intentional. The impending destruction of the whole works, and homo sapiens in particular, IS the intended purpose and goal.

    Yes, it IS quite stupid, and profoundly so, but do not commit the error of thinking that it is not on purpose.

    #139732
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    A very astute and adult conversation in an interview of Alex & Alexander (The Duran) on the future of Europe, and by extension many other places as well. The bottom line is that as collapse proceeds through multiple failures stacking up, the strong tendency is for power to be drawn back closer and closer to the center. In realistic terms the rule of thumb is if that these “globalist” powers CAN do it then they WILL do it. Right now they still can, and therefore you can count on it.

    Here’s the link: https://www.youtube.com/live/lRfneRwSCW4?feature=share

    #139733

    Phoenix:

    Is air conditioning ubiquitous in Greece?

    Not ubiquitous and not in my apt

    And what is the humidity like?

    Not too bad, but Athens is a port city.

    #139734
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    Bombshell! Last Week’s Record High Temperatures Were FAKED!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arjKzv2oojI

    Diversis diebus eadem mendacia.

    #139735
    Formerly T-Bear
    Participant

    At #139733
    Then you don’t want to hear the other day it went from 18ºC to 23ºC and tonight it will go down to 14ºC about daybreak. Soft Irish-like days but without the wind, some rain showers with mist and fog to fill in. No Ac needed, not even a fan. Don’t tell anyone.

    #139738
    aspnaz
    Participant

    jb-hb said

    You lying, unscientific, religious nutjob

    I think that sums up AFKTT very nicely.

    #139750
    Observer
    Participant

    To all in general, but more specifically jb-hb and apsnaz.
    I’ve said it before and will repeat – you guys are pretty nasty with your comments but this seems to highlight deeper insecurities. I suspect you have chosen a narrative and chose to ignore current global issues (mostly climate related and mostly affecting folk in Africa and Asia at the moment).
    Please expand your education and considerations when talking about climate. You generally have no idea what you are talking about and focus on CO2 and belittling others such as myself when there are so many things that affect long term climate (and short-term weather).
    AFKTT also focusses on CO2, but also seems to be aware of the ramifications of what rapid changes in CO2 might cause as opposed to long slow incremental change over geological history i.e. with respect to biophysical destruction and mass death of creatures on this planet (this time including humans). It’s happened before so will happen again.
    As an earth scientist I am appalled by your ignorance of the readily available geological information that basically says:
    1) long-term climate and the balance of the earth system as a whole is a global phenomenon. 2) Changes in localized climate (and resulting weather) on short-medium term horizons are often due to geological phenomenon.
    Some examples:
    Studies of lake sediment records close to Viking settlements in Greenland indicate that at this time the temperature in Greenland was similar to today (about 10 degrees Celsius). Changes in carbon dioxide was not the culprit, instead it was more likely a difference in the path of warm ocean currents.
    The little ice age was also not due to carbon dioxide, instead it was most likely the result of volcanic eruptions elsewhere on the planet blocking solar insolation resulting in a cold period of about 6-8 years.
    Generally speaking, changes in Earth’s orbit and tilt results in changes in the distribution of heat derived from the sun around the planet – this is the climate change switch. CO2 is the thermostat which defines how warm or cold it will get. Changes in CO2 (and other greenhouse gases) are controlled by geological and biological processes.
    Imagine a world with no-humans and let us focus on CO2 – yes I know, reductionist approach but we have to start somewhere.
    Historical changes in CO2 were predominantly derived from: erosion (slow CO2 uptake into the likes of CaCO3 and other minerals = cooling), eruptions (fast CO2 release = warming). Biological processes plug into that and change the mass balance of carbon in the atmosphere to varying degrees e.g. uptake and storage via various ‘carbon pumps’ on land (soil) and ocean (sediments) = lower CO2 on balance, while mass death of plants and other organisms and things like wildfires = release of CO2 on balance. The interconnections between all the systems on the planet via the atmosphere and the ocean currents muddy everything up but the trend that emerges is clear – CO2 goes up planetwide, temperature goes up, CO2 goes down planetwide – temperature goes down. Sometimes CO2 is ahead of the curve and sometime behind the curve but that depends on where the measurements are taken within the geological record relative to the other changes occurring on the planet at the time.
    Now imagine a world with some hairless apes who stumble upon oil gas and coal and have a massive 200-year party. What we have done is essentially the same as a massive volcanic eruption over the course of 200 years (which is a blink in the eye with respect to geological time). That’s gonna have consequences. How fast, we don’t know but it seems to be speeding up.

    There are unknowns. For example, current exceptionally warm oceans could be the result of subsea volcanism loading the deep ocean with heat and screwing up things like the Southern oscillation (La Nian/El Nino) but because we don’t measure things like subsea volcanism folk are dumfounded.
    BTW: minimum level of CO2 for plants is somewhere between 50 and 170ppm. This is plant species dependent.
    Heatwaves at the moment in multiple continents is due to more wavy jet-streams trapping high pressure systems, which is due to changing heat loading between the equatorial and polar regions – which at this point is most likely due to rapid buildup of CO2 across the last 200 years (as CO2 traps heat as per physicist John Tyndall). Heatwaves and drought in general are exacerbated by the fact we’ve chopped down forests and have abstracted shit-tons of water for agriculture and impacted soil health and structure, such that we now have a deficit of water in important growing regions which then results in low biomass growth and little/no offsetting of heat (look at temperature of bare soil versus planted).
    Basically, humans are capable of planet-wide impacts and fossil fuels have allowed us to achieve that.

    #139751
    jb-hb
    Participant

    you guys are pretty nasty with your comments but this seems to highlight deeper insecurities.

    Don’t be nasty to the guy who wants humanity reduced to being naked in the jungle – a state of being no human has lived in, but which is perfectly in line with We Must Take Everything Away From Them WEF/Claus Schwab “you vill own nuzzing” and “eet zee bugs”

    Don’t be nasty to the guy who wants 7 billion people to die.

    Don’t be nasty to the guy who continually hits on ALL FOUR types of liar.

    It is VERY INTERESTING that you step in at just this moment to enforce a two tier system of civility, in which AFKTT has a years long history of being nasty to others FREQUENTLY and being a continual LIAR who tells the same lies in the same way 3 years later. (I lurked here for 2+ years before posting)

    You seem to think there are rules WE must follow that HE doesn’t. That’s very Alinsky-ish of you.

    Do you understand that when someone is completely implacable, unrelenting, and ALWAYS acting in bad faith, you DO NOT require everyone to act like open minded civil robots? Like gullible, credulous morons? His behavior is based on contempt of anyone reading his words in JUST such a fashion.

    You generally have no idea what you are talking about and focus on CO2

    Always accuse your enemy of doing precisely what YOU are doing, amirite?

    the ramifications of what rapid changes in CO2

    Okay expert, explain scientifically why our current rise in 0.00005% CO2 is the only rapid rise in CO2 ever.

    Because the premise is that Earth will turn into VENUS due to the current “rapid” rise in CO2.

    That’s the battle you are jumping into. Go ahead and science us. Go on. Teach us all about “The Rapid Rise In CO2”

    #139752
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    jb-hb

    I assume, according to your mendacious, twisted ‘logic’, indeed very sick and illogical manipulative ‘logic’, that the increase in atmospheric CO2 from 280 ppm (pre-industrial) to the current level of approximately 420 ppm would not an increase of 140 ppm. I also assume that, according to your sick and twisted narrative, the percentage increase a percentage of the original would not be 140/280 times 100 = 50%

    All I do is report the numbers posted regularly at CO2.earth that you don’t want to know about because you are so far up the arsehole of industrialism and commercialism and all the deceits associated with them you choose distortion and misrepresentation as weapons in ongoing your misinformation campaigns.

    Today’s numbers:

    Jul. 23, 2023 422.44 ppm
    Jul. 23, 2022 418.43 ppm
    1 Year Change 4.01 ppm (0.96%)

    You will note that if you divide 4.01 (the latest reported increase) by 418.43 (last year’s figure) you get 0.96%

    That is, of course, a substantial understatement of the predicament humanity is in as a consequence of overuse of sequestered carbon in the form of fossil fuels.

    A far better indicator is obtained by subtracting the pre-industrial level of 280 ppm from all post-industrial results for comparison.

    Thus, when humanity got into high gear in the overconsumption of fossil fuels in the 1950s, the atmospheric CO2 level was around 315 ppm, just 35 ppm above the pre-industrial level. We can express that as 35/280 times 100 = 12.5%

    Therefore, in the 1950s atmospheric CO2 was elevated by around 12.5%, which was not sufficient to overwhelm the combination of Milankovich Cycles and weathering of rocks etc that maintained relative thermal stability. (Bear in mind that most of the industrial CO2 emissions were ending up in the oceans then, as now).

    Compare that with the current CO2 overload of 50% (420 ppm minus 280 ppm above).

    We can have some ‘fun’ when we compare the extent of the worsening of the predicament by ‘greedy apes’ over the past 70 years..

    Current CO2 overshoot is 50%. In the 1950s it was 12.5%

    50/12.5 times 100 = 400%. Therefore, we can say we have managed to increase the worsening of the predicament since the 1950s by 400%.

    But none of the above is truly representative of the magnitude of the predicament because the pre-industrial level of 280 ppm was already on the high side of the 800,000-year pattern,

    https://keelingcurve.ucsd.edu/wp-content/plugins/sio-bluemoon/graphs/co2_800k.png

    which averaged 230 ppm and never exceeded 260 ppm for long until humans came along (with the 400,000-year trend downwards) and started modifying the geochemistry of the Earth via chopping down trees to build houses and temples and ships etc., started recovering metals from ores, and started decarbonising limestone to make mortar.

    Thus, the scientific evidence indicates that over a period of approximately 20,000 years, pre-fossil-fuel societies may have raised the atmospheric CO2 level from around 260 ppm to around 280 ppm. That amounted to 1ppm per 1,000 years.

    If you’d like to get a real measure of how rapidly industrial humans are fucking up everything, compare the rate of increase now (approximately 2.7 ppm per year) with the preindustrial rate (1 ppm per 1,000 years); that is 2,700 times as fast, which as a percentage is 270,000%

    That is quite an achievement, to be fucking up the planet at a rate 270,000% faster than the Romans and other civilisations of that era did, since they managed to cause several ecological disasters. Mostly local, of course.

    The ecological disaster associated with mass use of fossil fuels since around 1800 is global and is increasing by the second.

    I know you are not the least bit interested in facts or proper analysis and simply inhabit this forum to blow your own idiotic trumpet of misinformation and distortion as loudly as you can. And, like several other that inhabit TAE, throw insults at anyone who does present data and analysis.

    Therefore, I assume you will continue to bloviate the way others of your ilk do, as the CO2-induced overheating melts ice sheets, generates unprecedented heat waves and inundations, progressively destroys industrial societies and their food systems over the next decade or so (atmospheric CO2 of 460 ppm, twice the 800,000-year average is clearly in sight and may arrive superfast if, as expected, positive feedbacks self-reinforce and mutually reinforce to increase the rate of overheating), and progressively renders the Earth inhospitable to most extant life forms over the period 2030 to 2060.

    #139753
    Michael Reid
    Participant


    The purpose for enslavement is always the same:
    to obtain the fruits of the slave’s labour, without mutually agreed-upon compensation.

    And so, if we look at the bare bones of the definition,
    we easily recognize that if all of the fruits of our labour are taken from us,
    we are entirely enslaved.

    If a portion of those fruits is taken from us, we are partially enslaved.

    Taxation is unquestionably, by definition, partial enslavement.

    Runaway Slaves

    #139754
    Sweet Kenny
    Participant

    Autism is not the reason those individuals were euthanatized, a failed society where autistic individuals are trapped in poverty is the reason. That video where the dog owner threatens to beat the puppy because it chewed something and is recorded for clicks because the “mother” tries to protect it is no different – everything is a commodity – even compassion.

    #139755
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Don’t be nasty to the guy who wants humanity reduced to being naked in the jungle – a state of being no human has lived in,

    jb-hb

    You now reveal not only your gross ignorance of physics, chemistry, biology, ecology and geology but also of history, and anthropology. Basically a pompous idiot.

    Darwin noted in his journal that the people who lived in Terra de Fuego were entirely naked and paddled/swan in water that Europeans found too cold in order to collect shellfish.

    Numerous indigenous tribes of South America lived naked (or as close to naked as matters) for at least 20,000 years. And would have continued to do so for thousands more years had not ‘civilised’ humans, eager to extract mineral wealth or convert the jungle into monoculture plantations arrived and killed them -either directly or by removing their habitat.

    There may still be a very few left, as indicated here

    The global energy predicament clearly indicates that those who do not perish from starvation (as the industrial system collapses) and do not die from CO2-induced overheating will have to fend for themselves and will either manufacture clothes from local vegetable matter or animal skins or go naked, whichever is preferable at the time.

    #139756
    Michael Reid
    Participant


    This week I will examine the growing political awareness
    of the pawns in the grand chess game and
    show what it looks like when they strike back against their masters.

    The Revolt of the Pawns
    https://corbettreport.substack.com/p/the-revolt-of-the-pawns

    #139757
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    How has television been used as a vehicle of propaganda?

    Tell-Lie-Vision

    https://corbettreport.substack.com/p/tell-lie-vision

    #139758
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    Uh, good luck with all that… :wave:

    #139759
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Correction to previous comment:

    jb-hb

    You now reveal not only your gross ignorance of physics, chemistry, biology, ecology and geology but also of history, and anthropology.

    jb-hb

    You now reveal not only your gross ignorance of physics, chemistry, biology, ecology and geology but also of history, and anthropology. You also demonstrate your inability to understand elementary mathematics.

    #139760
    Observer
    Participant

    Jb-hb – nastiness induces nastiness. If you go back in time, AFKTT was quite civil until dumped on. I can see why they are pretty pissed and have been dragged down to a non-civil level as it seems to be the only level understood. Just accept that people have different opinions – Agree to disagree, but don’t sink so low.
    Also note that I do give a shit about what happens on the planet mainly for selfish reasons – I worry it’s all fu#$ed up for my children and it is ignorance that is f@#king it up for them.
    And we won’t be back in the jungle “naked” as you seem to think – we just need to take a chill pill on the resource and energy throughput in our economies. The estimate I’ve read is maybe 1950ish. That was a pretty good time overall – didn’t hear my grandparents nor parents complaining too much. We can keep the useful stuff and get rid of all the wasteful stuff and we’ll be on track. Easy.

    #139761
    Susan C
    Participant

    To: D. Benton Smith

    I hope you didn’t mean me when you remarked about lurkers who never leave comments. I don’t usually comment but that doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate Raul’s site nor many of the comments left by you and others. Some people just don’t have much left to say.

    I’ve been a longtime donor too.

    #139762
    Observer
    Participant

    BTW – the earth won’t turn in Venus. It has feedback mechanisms. It might however be uninhabitable by hairless apes.

    #139763
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Other disinformation and pure nastiness posted by jb-hb recently:

    at 280ppm (0.028%) THE PLANTS DIE

    All the plants dying is your IDEAL STATE for the earth to be in. Because you are in a death cult.

    And yet the record clearly shows that atmospheric CO2 averaged 260ppm for the 800,000 years prior to industrialism and dipped as low as 180 ppm. And yet the plants didn’t die (well the ones not under ice sheets didn’t).

    Plants are such ‘clever’ things, they evolve more stomata when atmospheric CO2 is low and fewer when CO2 is high.

    It’s a very safe bet that anything jb-hb posts on the topic of atmospheric CO2 is absolute garbage, garbage that he has made up on the spur of the moment, garbage that has no scientific foundation whatsoever, just to promote his utterly distorted false narratives.

    And what is more, the more he is proven wrong, the louder he ‘screams’ and uses capital letters and flings nasty insults…which are sure signs of a loser.

    One might like to think that he would learn from his numerous mistakes. But just like so many others, he takes no notice of the facts and just doubles-down on the garbage.

    And why he thinks ppm need to be expressed as % defies logic. No one in the scientific community expresses concentrations as %.

    Nowt queer as folks.

    By the way, the meltdown of Greenland ice is surely stupendous at the moment and may well exceed the highly irregular meltdown of 2012 (when a series of warm weather systems generated what was then an unprecedented meltdown). We won’t know for sure until September.

    In the meantime, on the matter of the unprecedented meltdown so far, Jason Box (who has been researching for decades) has a new video:

    #139764
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    The first step is to love yourself.

    #139765
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    Hi @SusanC

    Naw, I wasn’t referring to the many many good hearted lurkers who, like you, come here to read and consider, but do not comment for a variety of reasons that make legitimate sense to themselves. The sort of lurker that I was alluding to are the ones with zero good intentions and who come here only to reconnoiter the territory of truth seekers, because the sort of folks who thrive on TAE are the one’s who those “enemy scouts” want to keep tabs on out of fear, not appreciation.

    #139767
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Observer said

    Basically, humans are capable of planet-wide impacts and fossil fuels have allowed us to achieve that.

    Planet-wide impacts? Atmosphere-wide impacts is a huge stretch, but you are raising the stakes to planet-wide? I can see how you would support the evironment religion of the cretin AFKTT; birds of a feather …

    #139768
    aspnaz
    Participant

    AFKTT said

    Therefore, I assume you will continue to bloviate the way others of your ilk do, as the CO2-induced overheating melts ice sheets, generates unprecedented heat waves and inundations, progressively destroys industrial societies and their food systems over the next decade or so (atmospheric CO2 of 460 ppm, twice the 800,000-year average is clearly in sight and may arrive superfast if, as expected, positive feedbacks self-reinforce and mutually reinforce to increase the rate of overheating), and progressively renders the Earth inhospitable to most extant life forms over the period 2030 to 2060.

    When will you idiots learn? You make so many predictions, yet none of them have ever come true. Observer sees you as Jesus, but you are just another “End of the world is nigh” loon, your type have been part of western society for ever but now you are on the internet instead of in the town square.

    We all expect a salting of loons among us, you seem happy to play that role along with your friends like Greta “The world will collapse and we will all die before 21 June 2023” Thunberg. There are many more I could quote, all coming onto the internet to tell us the end of the world is nigh. Now you too are making predictions, all life will be gone by 2060, no doubt well after your own death, so we will have to laugh at you in memoriam. I wonder why I think you just plucked those numbers from the same arse that you pluck your science.

    When will your madness end …. I am hoping for a prediction!

    #139769
    aspnaz
    Participant

    AFKTT said

    Numerous indigenous tribes of South America lived naked (or as close to naked as matters) for at least 20,000 years. And would have continued to do so for thousands more years had not ‘civilised’ humans, eager to extract mineral wealth or convert the jungle into monoculture plantations arrived and killed them -either directly or by removing their habitat.

    You make it sound as though civilised humans are not the product of the Earth, as though only indigenous tribes were created on the Earth and the civilised humans are outsiders. I’ve got news for you; all humans are equally part of nature, the Ukraine war is as much “nature” as a cheetah catching and killing a gazelle. All that happens on the planet is nature, your emotional National Geographic fantasy of only the old pretty stuff is good is a shortcoming of your brain, it is not factual. If old is so good, indigenous and primitive is so good, surely we should be turning time backwards as far as possible when Earth was too hot for human survival.

    #139770
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Observer said

    Jb-hb – nastiness induces nastiness. If you go back in time, AFKTT was quite civil until dumped on.

    Actually he was very pleasant until people started questioning his AGW theories. He then made a big claim that he is a scientist – chemist if I remember the story correctly – who has written books and knows, well basically everything, and that we should just accept what he says because we are all stupid idiots with nothing like the level of intelligence in the AFKTT head. He was saying that he is The Science …. where have I heard that before?

    You see, he started insulting us for not accepting his theories. When jb-hb tried to get to the bottom of his theories we all discovered that they had no foundation. Most of us knew that already, because although you rate AFKTT, the rest of us can see that he is just another charlatan. As a result we were all treated to a burst of ad hominem nonsense every time we expressed our disagreement.

    You agree with him, you obviously have few analytical skills, but I understand your concern for the planet, we all live here after all. You seem to think that your concern for humanity is superior to the rest of us because you believe in AGW. Well that is simply not true. The main difference is that the people who disagree with AFKTT are not prepared to accept emotion as the reason for self-immolating our lifestyles, or those of our children. If you believe in AGW then show us the proof. If you cannot direct us to proof then it is just an emotional theory.

    Unfortuntely the emotional AGW gang do not have proof yet they keep spouting their emotional nonsense and some suckers go for it. Maybe just because it is a little warmer today, or a bit windy, or snow in summer, or whatever, they will allow their ignorance of the cause to be replaced with an emotional belief in AGW, unfortunately that is yet more ignorance, AFKTT’s ignorance.

    #139771
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    You agree with him (he’s agreeing with him/herself LOL), you obviously have few analytical skills, but I understand your concern for the planet, we all live here after all. You seem to think that your concern for humanity is superior to the rest of us because you believe in AGW. Well that is simply not true. The main difference is that the people who disagree with AFKTT are not prepared to accept emotion as the reason for self-immolating our lifestyles, or those of our children.

    My work here is done.

    #139772
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    aspnaz write: I think that sums up AFKTT very nicely

    Do you really think anyone cares what you think, aspnaz?

    After all, you have repeatedly demonstrated scientific illiteracy of the highest order. And no one with credibility supports your outlandish argument.

    As with jb-hb, fact do not matter in your mind, just idiotic ideology and insults.

    #139773
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Thankfully, most truthtellers do not fall for the bullshit churned out by the likes of jb-hb or aspnaz and stick with observed reality and facts..

    Note that CP Nate is well aware we that we are in planetary meltdown, as well as political, economic and military meltdown.

    “These people lie through their teeth.”

    These people lie through their teeth applies to jb-hb and aspnaz, of course.

    #139774
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Especially for jb-hb and aspnaz:

    ‘Deadly global heatwaves undeniably result of climate crisis, scientists show

    Analysis makes it clear human-caused global heating is destroying lives with worse to come without sharp emissions cuts’

    Pretty much everyone else knows already. They are the last of the diehards.

    Not that there will be any voluntary ‘sharp emissions cuts’ because the banksters and corporations that run the show simply will not allow such things as ‘sharp emission cuts.

    Infinite growth on a finite planet is their meme, whatever the cost.

    #139784
    Observer
    Participant

    Wow!
    All I asked for was a little civility (from all, including AFKTT). I also attempted to provide a lesson in why climate changes from a geological perspective and it just so happens that CO2 also fits into that narrative (anthropogenic or not).

    Now to address the following before I tap out and give up as it’s clearly not worth my time.

    “You agree with him, you obviously have few analytical skills, but I understand your concern for the planet, we all live here after all. You seem to think that your concern for humanity is superior to the rest of us because you believe in AGW. Well that is simply not true. The main difference is that the people who disagree with AFKTT are not prepared to accept emotion as the reason for self-immolating our lifestyles, or those of our children. If you believe in AGW then show us the proof. If you cannot direct us to proof then it is just an emotional theory.”

    I do agree with AFKTT. Climate change is just one of many impacts we are having on the planet. However our economic system (lifestyle – as you term it) is the foundational cause as it demands excessive energy and resource throughput which seems to be having increasing impacts on many levels.
    Maybe I don’t have analytical skills, maybe I do, but my username suggests I like to observe – my observations over the last decades inform me that all is not well.
    Not sure where you got the impression that I think my concern is superior – it is not. I’m as selfish as the next person and care about my spawn (kind of a biological thing).
    Maybe not accepting emotion is part of the bigger issue here – maybe this is part of the insecurities I was talking about in my original post. It’s OK to have feelings. I’m certainly mourning for the world and it’s myriad of inhabitants as we pillage. Assuming all hell does break loose, I’ve had something to do with that as have you.
    I’m pretty sure we don’t have to self immolate our lifestyles. There is a lot of stuff we can jettison without major impact on our way of life.
    You don’t need to look far to find your “proof” – you just need to observe.

    Tapping out now – I think I’ll go back to quietly observing. Hopefully AFKTT does too then we don’t need to put up with the bullshit.
    We may be wrong, we may be right but IMO the precautionary principle should reign supreme. What if all those climate scientists are right? What if we are f@#king over the planet?

    #139792
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Observer said

    We may be wrong, we may be right but IMO the precautionary principle should reign supreme. What if all those climate scientists are right? What if we are f@#king over the planet?

    We know that we cannot maintain our lifestyles if we get rid of our reliable sources of energy. We cannot maintain the current food systems or anything invented after the 1930s without that reliable source of both energy and petroleum product. So, you are asking us to reset our standard of living so that people cannot afford transport, cannot go on holiday etc etc …. and all because you are thinking “What if we are fucking up the planet”? Are you serious, that is enough for you to wind back civilisation? A what if?

    To add to that, you seriously expect rational people like myself to buy into your plan? You want me to self-immolate my lifestyle because you can’t sleep at night worrying about the planet? Are you serious? You cannot even present any form of rational theory to back your worries up, they are all emotional and come down to “… but what if”.

    Next you will be saying “just one life”, it will be worth it if we save “just one life”.

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