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    Elliott Erwitt California, USA 1956   • To End the Pandemic, Give Universal Testing the Green Light (Patel/Patel) • UK To Have More Corona Deaths
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle April 8 2020]

    V. Arnold

    John Prine – Sam Stone
    What a curious and wonderful choice…
    It stopped me dead in my thoughts; listened 3 times and almost didn’t comment…
    Hit a nostalgic nerve dead on…


    Australia so far only at 50 deaths with a flattening curve. South Korea the darling of the covid internet at 200 – but yeah they are pretty close to China so they are doing well.
    How we manage this going forward will be tough. All school canceled for next term. So my son has to learn on a computer remotely and via internet etc. I am the only one with computer literacy in our house and I am away at work so…..

    Boris might not make it and that will just add to the weirdness of 2020

    Dr. D

    “More People Died of Suicide Last Week in Tennessee Than COVID-19”

    Awesome. Keep it up, I’m sure we can make the death rate 10x the Wu Flu via the economy if we dig in and really try.

    What did they have yesterday, 49 people unemployed per Covid CASE, not death? I’m sure it’s twice that now. Good job, Brownie! When everyone get stabbed from turning the U.S. into Argentina, I’m sure it’ll all be worth it.

    Again, the economy is larger than the virus. It’s larger than the government, it’s larger than the banks. The economy, even the Dow, is US. We the people. Everyone.

    Don’t know why I bother, but here’s more:

    “Of the people who have died in NY as of 9:30 AM on April 7th there were 2,407 with one of a list of classified serious, in fact often fatal diseases and 55 with no such disease. (740 are pending and will show up in future reports.) In other words if you have no such serious and in fact often fatal underlying condition you make up 2.29% of the deaths.
    …This means that if you have no underlying serious and in fact often-fatal condition your risk of death from this virus if you get it is 0.0687% in New York.
    For a risk of less than 0.0687% of death, quite possibly much less by a factor of two or more, if you are a healthy individual and get the virus, we have destroyed millions of jobs and placed 330,000,000 people under effective house arrest.”

    What is that, “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few?” Or the “Trolley Experiment”, would you kill 1 man to save 99?

    Okay, so right now we’re killing 99 to save 1.

    But that was always the point. We need a reset, and we need a cover story. We got one, and it’s being used.

    Not trying to be heartless, but killing a thousand to save one is illogical and impractical.

    All we see is countries inventing excuses to not test.”

    Huh. Wonder why. Well U.K. at least all 30 million tests from China were fake. Now they have to pay for their toxic disposal. In the U.S. the pre-set tests from the WHO were all random. But other than that, who benefits when there’s 100% fear and 0% testing (except for celebrities)? People who want Stalinist dictatorial control, high profits, fear, good ratings, vaccine passports, mass death. You know, everyone who’s anyone. The schmarty-guyz. The really important people.

    For “Control the curve” the curve has not BEEN controlled, as predicted. However, we killed everyone trying, which was an awesome — and totally optional – benefit. And with the bailout, the 0.01% have $6T, and 99.99% are broke and will lose all their property. So. #Winning! All voluntary. Applause all around! Save me Daddy Government, you’re my only hope! You know, after lying in Wuhan, then Bejing, then WHO, then in Italy, Spain, New Orleans, SanFran, NYC, (Go to parades!) in CDC, and now in Fauci’s meetings. But other than all those guys doing everything they can to kill you and steal everything you own, Daddy’s really been helping! MOAR! I listen breathlessly. I’ll do everything you say.

    World-leading disease data analysts have projected”

    Just yesterday we went through all the models being wrong. All the modelers being wrong. Fauci saying all the models are wrong. So we printed more models and believed them. Slow are we? O-Kay.

    I look forward to bring this up later. Will anyone get fired? Nope. Discredited? Nope. Will anyone stop believing and following experts that have never been right in their whole careers? Nope. And their pockets will be picked and their reporters jailed.

    Boris Johnson’s Scientists Were Slow to Sound the Alarm (R.)”

    Yup. Experts actually covered and prevented any action, like the WHO. People like Trump had to buck them, and are bucking them still. Not to say he was early enough, but he was as early as the media and nation would let him. Even so it was nothing but “It’s the Flu” and “Rayciss!” right through to NOW, four months later, when “Biden” finally approved of blocking Chinese flights.


    He can’t move faster than YOU. The government IS the people. They’re not going to be smarter or better than themselves. Much worse in fact, proven by 10,000 years of history. No one learns. No one cares.

    sharp contrast with the growing unease of many of the government’s scientific advisers”

    Oh did they now? So they were uneasy at the same time the WHO said “there is no human transmission” and “Don’t wear masks?” (Wait, that was yesterday) They were uneasy when Oxford put out a study just last week saying most are already over it? Huh. Sounds like experts don’t agree, meaning at least half don’t know what they’re talking about. But makes a pretty fairy tale to sell papers that will throw elections the way the papers/reporters want. RussiaRussiaRussia. Brexit will destroy markets! And the Pound! And the planet! And the Universe! They’ll be hanging immigrants in the street! Making them scared to leave their houses, marking them with badges! (Oh wait, that was us via the Gates Foundation, n/m)

    “victims without access to testing are not being counted,”

    I don’t think so. The CDC guidelines are “If you know, it’s COVID. If you don’t know, it’s COVID. If it isn’t COVID, it’s COVID.” Look it up. Consequently all pneumonia deaths have vanished. Huh, that’s statistically odd. They’re pretty certainly being OVER counted. Right now you’re cramming a year’s worth of “Flu” deaths into a month, using just one flu…and that’s appropriate counting. But you’ll have to look back to see if any additional mortality over the year. My guess is not much, and you’ll have a baby boom that overcomes it in triplicate. Humans at work.

    I haven’t seen any genetic explanations for this.”

    I haven’t even seen that this is true, since almost all reported numbers are bent, are lies. Guessing poverty and bad nutrition taking a toll, with people not containing at all.

    Other indicators it’s a theatre show? They’re going to bury in public parks??? What possible scientific or practical reason could THAT be? Any normal human would use fridge trucks, or ship them up through the state to rural mortuaries, then ship them back for paced burial. But go ahead and use Grandma’s dead body as a prop in your stupid game. Apparently everybody loves it and approves.

    “US death total is 12,901.”

    Yes, and we have six times more people. And all the numbers are fake. Note Japan had zero cases until the Olympics were cancelled, then Lo! So Korea is probably reporting nothing they don’t have to, and the U.S. is demonstrably, via official CDC guidelines, reporting ANYTHING as Covid (as we have no testing). Oh and China has no deaths and no cases at all. Except from us.


    ““Why would CDC be publishing anecdotes?”

    Because we’re in a crisis and in a hurry, you dummy. But I’ll be happy to infect your family and watch you wait for that 10 year, double-blind, peer-reviewed study you demand. We’ve got 40 years’ experience with this drug. Several doctors claim to have 1,000 cases/pr Um, try THEIR 100% cure experience? Just sayin’. But I’ll sit here and watch if you want a respirator instead. It’s a free country.

    “there was no reason to believe US agencies meant to harm his young family.”

    Hahahahahahaha. You’re so cute. I mean, where would anybody get the RIDICULOUS notion that the U.S. was after Assange?

    “Can’t we just drone this guy?” – Hillary Rodham Clinton

    Dr D Rich

    In support of Dr D’s comments. Note the prideful elevation of ignorance by the Chief of the Medical Staff and the Head Honcho nurse promoting, well, their ignorance. Keep in mind they could have addressed a single clinic cluster of severe respiratory illnesses that occurred during a major construction project, amidst a severe flu/RSV season and when dead vermin (rats and mice) (the latter carry hantavirus endemic to Washington and require special handling and PPE for disposal). This crew found it better to threaten and intimidate witnesses and fire/humiliate one complainant physician. In regime change operations they call such action A Demonstration Project.


    Dr. D keep on with bringing perspective. It seems to be as if they want to close the world to stop this. There is no perfect solution – either way (close everything or leave stuff open) lots of people will die and suffer, just from different causes.

    If people are not developing immunity as per China study that means lock everyone up forever until…??

    Just saw that Vermont now prohibits selling seeds to anyone except commercial growers – even online seed sellers can only sell to commercial growers. Our govt policy wonks working to keep us safe….

    John Prine — he leaves a hole in our hearts. Tears.


    Its a good thing that the USA is doing a better job than all the other countries – Trump
    Can you imagine how bad it would be if the USA was not doing a good job?

    Trend 1: the US accounts for a higher proportion of worldwide cases and deaths each day.

    Do you want to ignore this Chinese data just because its from the Chinese who lie all the time.

    • Low Antibody Levels Raise Questions About Coronavirus Reinfection Risk (SCMP)
    ” …. patients discharged from the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre and found that nearly a third had unexpectedly low levels of antibodies. In some cases, antibodies could not be detected at all.”
    • Staggering Surge Of NYers Dying In Their Homes (Gothamist)

    Stay home to avoid being a statistic.

    In other large locales, demographic data has shown that low-income and black and Latino communities are being disproportionately affected:

    Lets wait and see if the problem occurs in Mexico and Africa.
    • US Economy Will Eventually Reopen But With Big Changes: Kudlow (R.)
    I don’t know why the media uses L. Kudlow for sound bites. He does not say anything original.
    We at TAE know more and know it before L. Kudlow. ( We don’t even get a paycheck)
    Life expectancy at 65 is for another 20 years. Its no wonder that people are dying when they reach 80.


    Feds intercept 100 coronavirus test kits shipped to Portland apartment

    “PORTLAND, Ore. — Federal investigators seized 100 coronavirus test kits being shipped from China to a Portland apartment complex, according to a federal search warrant. The coronavirus test kits were not approved by the Food and Drug Administration and prohibited from entering the country.”


    “The invoice showed the test kits were shipped from Anhui Deep Blue Medical Technology of Hebei, China.

    “Deep Blue Medical did not respond to an email seeking comment.

    “The invoice listed the tests as 50 cents per unit, with a total cost of $50 for the 100 test kits.

    The price is far cheaper than a typical coronavirus test, which is at least $1,000 through certain private insurers and would require the use of an FDA-approved lab test center, explained an unnamed COVID-19 Physician Incident Commander for a major Portland area hospital in the search warrant.

    “ ’50 cents is ridiculous even for a swab. But for a test to actually give a result itself it’s a preposterous cost,’ ” explained the physician incident commander.

    “A product with similar labeling and logo was featured in a tweet by Chin Xinhau News. The tweet promoted, “15 minutes! New rapid test strips for #coronavirus have been developed by a company in Hefei, China. #FightVirus.”


    “You can forget about re-opening your economy without all-out testing. You can forget about travel if you haven’t been tested. At least twice.”

    Are you suggesting mandatory testing? What if someone refuses to be tested? What if 20 million people refuse to be tested? Concentration camp?
    Hell, might as well store everybody’s dna signature while you are at it. This is the time to do it since people are scared s__tless.
    People, please consider the long range implications instead of short term fears. The virus will eventually pass.

    John Day
    Oh, this looks like it may be very important. Thanks Ilargi:​
    COVID-19: Attacks the 1-Beta Chain of Hemoglobin and Captures the Porphyrin to Inhibit Human Heme Metabolism
    ​ ​In this study, conserved domain analysis, homology modeling, and molecular docking were used to compare the biological roles of certain proteins of the novel coronavirus. The results showed the ORF8 and surface glycoprotein could bind to the porphyrin, respectively. At the same time, orf1ab, ORF10, and ORF3a proteins could coordinate attack the heme on the 1-beta chain of hemoglobin to dissociate the iron to form the porphyrin. The attack will cause less and less hemoglobin that can carry oxygen and carbon dioxide.

    ​Travis sent this​. It is the latest version of this very persistent medical rumor. Please give me study data!
    ​ ​Los Angeles doctor Anthony Cardillo says he’s seen very promising results when the Trump-touted drug is combined with zinc for severely-ill coronavirus patients.
    ​ ​”Every patient I’ve prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free,” Cardillo told Eyewitness News, adding “So clinically I am seeing a resolution.”
    ​ ​Cardillo, CEO of Mend Urgent Care, says that the drug must be used in conjunction with Zinc, as the hydroxycholoroquine opens a ‘channel’ for the mineral to enter cells and prevent the virus from replicating.

    ​More on the zinc-ionophore mechanism from a month ago:
    Anit Kumar Singh: ” Yes, zinc stops the coronavirus to replicate and multiply ”
    Well… ultimately, that is the effect. Intracellular Zinc interferes with coronavirus transcription, which results in the ability of the virus to replicate. [Article Zn Inhibits Coronavirus and Arterivirus RNA Polymerase Activ…]
    However, being a ++ ion, extracellular zinc requires active transport to pass across the cell membrane. It so happens that chloroquine is a zinc ionophore, thus provides zinc++ with the transport mechanism. [Article Chloroquine Is a Zinc Ionophore] In this instance, chloroquine has no drug action. It is the zinc that is in play, and I find it concerning that so many news organizations (and governments) are failing to convey this fact..opting, instead, to portray chloroquine as having the key drug action. it does not…

    Take 10,00 units per day of vitamin-D until June if you have not previously been taking it, and 5000 units per day after that, to get your levels into the normal range, so your immune system can work right.
    ​ ​Low vitamin D status in winter permits viral epidemics. During winter, people who do not take vitamin D supplements are likely to have low serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D] concentrations. Vitamin D can reduce the risk of viral epidemics and pandemics in several ways. First, higher 25(OH)D concentrations reduce the risk of many chronic diseases, including cancers, cardiovascular disease, chronic respiratory tract infections (RTIs), diabetes mellitus, and hypertension. Patients with chronic diseases have significantly higher risk of death from RTIs ​than otherwise healthy people. Second, vitamin D reduces risk of RTIs through three mechanisms: maintaining tight junctions, killing enveloped viruses through induction of cathelicidin and defensins, and reducing production of proinflammatory cytokines by the innate immune system, thereby reducing the risk of a cytokine storm leading to pneumonia. Observational and supplementation trials have reported higher 25(OH)D concentrations associated with reduced risk of dengue, hepatitis, herpesvirus, hepatitis B and C viruses, human immunodeficiency virus, influenza, respiratory syncytial virus infections, and pneumonia. Results of a community field trial reported herein indicated that 25(OH)D concentrations above 50 ng/ml (125 nmol/l) vs. <20 ng/ml were associated with a 27% reduction in influenza-like illnesses. From the available evidence, we hypothesize that raising serum 25(OH)D concentrations through vitamin D supplementation could reduce the incidence, severity, and risk of death from influenza, pneumonia, and the current COVID-19 epidemic.

    About 30% of people tested after recovering from novel coronavirus infection, do not have significant antibody levels to protect against reinfection, according to preliminary results from research from Fudan University in Shanghai. We have all heard rumors of people getting reinfected after hospital discharge, but it was usually passed off as a false negative test, that they were still infected. This makes it look like 1/3 of the people sick enough to get included in this study did not make enough antibodies to be protected against reinfection.

    It looks like sewage analysis in Massachusetts revealed way more SARS-CoV-2 than official statistics indicated.
    ​ ​We tested wastewater collected at a major urban treatment facility in Massachusetts and found the presence of SARS-CoV-2 at high titers in the period from March 18 – 25 using RT-qPCR. We then confirmed the identity of the PCR product by direct DNA sequencing. Viral titers observed were significantly higher than expected based on clinically confirmed cases in Massachusetts as of March 25.​..
    ​ Researchers from biotech startup Biobot Analytics, working with a team from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Harvard, and Brigham and Women’s Hospital, estimate there were at least 2,300 people infected with Covid-19 in the area around the treatment facility. But at the time of analysis, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, there were 446 cases officially reported in that area.

    New research examines wastewater to detect community spread of Covid-19

    ​Ordinary speech aerosolizes microparticles of coronavirus, which waft upon the breeze. Raising your voice releases more. You don’t have to cough or sneeze for this to happen. Wearing a mask protects others in your vicinity.

    We are on the Precipice of Martial Law. Preparations are in place. Command and control structure is secured and ready.
    ​ ​The danger of World War and a military coup arose again during the short lived administration of John F. Kennedy who found himself locked in a life or death struggle not with Russia, but with the Military Industrial Complex that had become dominated by the many Dr. Strangeloves of the Joint Chief of Staff and CIA who fanatically believed that America could win a nuclear war with Russia. Kennedy’s valiant efforts to achieve dialogue with his Soviet counterparts, move towards peace in Vietnam, support of colonial liberation, promotion of space exploration and advocacy of a Nuclear Test Ban treaty made him a target of the Deep State of his time. During this period, this effort was led from the top by JFK’s two most powerful American opponents: Allan Dulles (director of the CIA) and General Lyman Lemnitzer (head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff), both of whom were proponents of pre-emptive nuclear war, architects of the Bay of Pigs regime change trap and advocates of Operation Northwoods (an ultimate “inside job” precursor to 9/11 which JFK subverted).

    Standing on the Precipice of Martial Law

    ​Prepare To Have Your Worldview Obliterated, Caitlin Johnstone​
    Joe Biden’s homework got saved and copied:
    ​ ​The first draft of the civil rights-eroding USA PATRIOT Act was magically introduced one week after the 9/11 attacks. Legislators later admitted that they hadn’t even had time to read through the hundreds of pages of the history-shaping bill before passing it the next month, yet somehow its authors were able to gather all the necessary information and write the whole entire thing in a week.​..
    ​Biden’s bill was never put to a vote, but after 9/11 then-Attorney General John Ashcroft reportedly credited his bill with the foundations of the USA PATRIOT Act.
    ​ ​“Civil libertarians were opposed to it,” Biden said in 2002 of his bill. “Right after 1994, and you can ask the attorney general this, because I got a call when he introduced the Patriot Act. He said, ‘Joe, I’m introducing the act basically as you wrote it in 1994.’”

    Prepare To Have Your Worldview Obliterated



    “The Vermont Agency of Commerce and Community Development (ACCD) has directed all large retailers to cease sales of non-essential items in stores and offered additional guidance for those retail stores selling in person essential goods to the public. Recent pictures circulating on social media appear to be from a box store which has roped off access to “non-essential” areas of the store, per guidance from ACCD, with various seed packets behind the roped-off section. As stated above, agricultural seeds have been deemed “essential” in Vermont per the Governor’s executive order, however a homeowner’s access to seeds has been modified to meet the Governor’s executive order.”

    “6. Services or functions in Vermont deemed critical to public health and safety, as well as
    economic and national security include: ….

    …”k. agriculture and farms, animal shelters, production and delivery of seed, chemicals
    and fertilizers, CSAs and veterinarians;”

    Panic Buying Comes for the Seeds

    “But the website cautioned that all buyers were agreeing to abide by “pandemic ordering terms,” and warned that the current shipping backlog was 18 to 24 days.

    “Clearly, I was not the only person who felt that the best path through the pandemic was to panic-buy a bunch of seeds.”


    willis lives!


    On C-Span’s Washington Journal this morning a woman called in and said she would NEVER take that stuff that Trump talked about.
    Hillary Clinton is the gift that just keeps giving…/s

    Today’s photo is particularly poignant. Is necking a thing we will only be able to see in the rear-view window?

    And Bernie suspends his campaign.


    I just heard the call again- she didn’t say “never”, sorry.

    Mary, from Ft Washington, MD: ….”The caller that called and said that black people need to take that drug that Trump wants to push? He’s got money invested in that; so tell that caller when [Trump] takes that drug and he doesn’t die? Then we might take it. But that’s ridiculous. [The moderator asks when will it be okay for you to stop doing what you’ve been doing (staying in the house, not socializing, and wearing masks and gloves since December]. “When the doctors say it’s oaky. When the scientists says it’s okay. Not when 45 says it’s okay ’cause he’s been lying since he slithered down the escalator.”

    Geez. Transcribing is tedious business.

    On another note: Martenson praises some mask makers using blue shop towels. A Fleet Farm already says 2 per order at 8.99. Another brand is selling for 117.00! What an interesting way to hear how word gets around.

    Dr. D

    Yes, Billionaire Trump, who doesn’t make a salary, is going to get rich on HCQ. Rich, I tells ya!

    He owns a mutual fund that owns a percent that makes a percent of HCQ, generic. Estimated that he owns as much a $2,000 invested! In a company that makes so close to zero on this generic that they don’t even break it out in their corporate numbers. Rich! He might make $2000 + $1!

    Ah, NY Times, how low you’ve fallen. But you knew it was fake because an adult American said it on T.V.

    At least since we fought tooth and nail up to now, seeds are at least LEGAL in the U.S., unlike U.K. or say Europe where, it’s literally illegal to SHARE them. By any means. Seed black market, even more punishable by death than heroin or say a trunkful of Fentanyl enough to kill every person in a small state. That’s okay. Not mad. But a 1,000 year-old heritage WHEAT seed? Now you’re in trouble Mr. Bean! Expect to be SWATTED you anti-social misfit. Next you’ll be drinking Amish MILK, I tells ya.

    As usual, the people are smarter and ahead of them, with heritage seeds and chickens being the latest rage for over a decade. Unlike 1990, there are probably enough heritage seeds stashed to feed the world. …And a good thing too, since it will certainly come to that if Europe and China have anything to say about it.

    Keep your iPhone, I’ll eat Brandywine Tomatoes. (most popular seed of most popular company, is yes, heritage open pollinated.)


    Are you suggesting mandatory testing? What if someone refuses to be tested?

    I wouldn’t want them anywhere near my parents or my children. If you have the freedom to refuse being tested, society has the freedom to ban you from public places, streets, stores etc. Like lepers forced to wear bells and clappers.


    My grandpa used to tell me that you can fix ignorance with education, but there ain’t nothing that’ll fix stupid. The goddamn tests are all totally worthless!

    Corona: creating the illusion of a pandemic through diagnostic tests


    On the microbiological safety of a herd in context of a social contract

    “The development and growing use of smallpox vaccine in the early 1800s triggered the establishment of vaccination mandates, especially for children. Then, as the incidence of smallpox declined over time, some governments loosened requirements, while other mandates remained in place. At the same time, a variety of govermental agencies and regulations emerged to oversee the production and testing of vaccines.

    “The judicial branch of U.S. federal goverment has had a role as well in vaccination. A variety of court decisions have considered the validity of vaccination mandates and have attempted to address the conflict between individual rights and protection of the public’s health.

    “Below (within) are a variety of events associated with the establishment of vaccination mandates and the role of government agencies in monitoring vaccine production and use.”


    “I wouldn’t want them anywhere near my parents or my children. If you have the freedom to refuse being tested, society has the freedom to ban you from public places, streets, stores etc. Like lepers forced to wear bells and clappers.”

    Sorry to hear you feel that way. So do you advocate identifying those that comply (take the test) or those that don’t? Perhaps a chip? Maybe wear a star? force them (those that refuse) into banishment?
    What next then Raul? How about anything contagious. How about anything that causes people to be scared? We are heading down a very slippery slope without much thought. Worse yet, it’s being advocated by a panicked public with the full blessing of people that thrive on controlling other people. This is not about the virus Raul.
    You’ll probably get your way. Popular thought seems to agree with you (for the first time ever))Politicians are already using peer pressure to do their bidding. A convenient way to bypass their constitutions. Old ladies in Greece etc etc.


    It’s an interesting philosophical discussion, neoh, where one man’s freedom is another man’s prison. But as you know I don’t lean much towards grand conspiracies, not as long as we are at the mercy of the same incompetent politicians and scientists that failed to nip this thing in the bud while they could. Still, you can’t ask one part of the population to make sure they are not infected, and at the same time let others free to then infect them. That’s merely freedom for one group, and the denial of it for another.


    Where will the bodies go? Morgues plan as virus grows

    “Med Alliance Group, a medical distributor in Illinois, is besieged by calls and emails from cities around the country. Each asks the same thing: Send more refrigerated trailers so that we can handle a situation we never could have imagined.

    “They’re coming from all over: From hospitals, health systems, coroner’s offices, VA facilities, county and state health departments, state emergency departments and funeral homes,” said Christie Penzol, a spokeswoman for Med Alliance.

    “It’s heart-wrenching.”

    “The company has rented all its trailers and there’s an 18-week wait for new materials to build more, she said.”


    Temporary Burials Possible for COVID-19 Victims, But NYC Park Trenches Plan Denied

    “NYC Council Health Committee chair Mark Levine initially said in series of tweets Monday morning that the city would soon need to face the “gruesome reality” of temporary burials, and that they would likely take place in trenches for caskets dug in city parks.

    “Due to the number of dead bodies increasing on a daily basis due to COVID-19, the freezers at OCME facilities in Manhattan and Brooklyn will soon be full, Levine said.

    “This tweet has gotten a lot of attention. So I want to clarify: the is a contingency NYC is preparing for BUT if the death rate drops enough it will not be necessary.;

    Dr D Rich

    Wow…..beyond disappointing
    Fairly disgusting.
    I’m outta here.


    “Coca leaf tea is best used for the treatment of altitude sickness, something that many visitors to Cusco experience. The properties are considered a miracle medicine and are very effective in treating the symptoms of altitude sickness. … You can drink up to three or four cups of Coca leaf tea per day without a problem.”

    This the first google box that comes up when I search “coca leaves and altitude sickness”.
    Thanks to pheonixxxx on Peak P. comments, 2 days ago.

    Also on PP comments (erin hunter): Consider the air quality in NYC on the eleventh+ of september, two thousand-one.


    I want to know why this isn’t so:
    There is an hypothesis- put forth in a number of studies- that Hydroxychloroquine+ is an effective treatment for SARS-CoV-2. In realtime, it is being clinically shown to be true. Why is this not good enough for the medical experts, considering this is a worldwide emergency?
    Fauci? Birx? Anyone?


    Tests, Ilargi, yes- but they must be accurate (and, fwiw, I would prefer that they test for antibodies.) The experts reject the realtime clinical trials of HCQ+, so we must not presume that the sparse anecdotes that The Virus continues to be miraculously viable are to be considered without a good deal of clinical observation.
    “Still, you can’t ask one part of the population to make sure they are not infected, and at the same time let others free to then infect them. That’s merely freedom for one group, and the denial of it for another.”

    Not infected when they get notification, but perhaps infected the hours before? Are we guaranteed the right to not catch a disease? Shall we shun infectors? Who are they? Those who had it and have recovered? Those who have been proven to have tested positive and are now testing negative? Do you trust the negative test?
    With any luck- from what I have read- we hope to see 80% of the population infected to install “herd immunity”. Will those vulnerable 20% be free while the infected are sequestered?

    I waffle, myself- but I have a mountain of evidence that those who are running the show are untrustworthy. The War on Terror was fading: now we have a War on The Virus. They have taken our most human instinct- to congregate- and made it immoral. How long can we deal with this? And The Virus – and there are so many of them out there- wins- just like the terrorists won in “America”. The US has made the 911 perpetrators proud.
    Now the “terrorists” are the infected, or possibly infected, or those exposed to an infected person.
    Think of Camus. It wasn’t really about a bacillus. It was about jackboots.
    People are justifiably afraid of “tests” that may rob them of income and dignity. There are many sane, decent, unaffiliated researchers who agree. Others here have linked them. This virus is going to eventually run through the population. The question remains: how long are we going to put up with the remedies to prevent that?
    It is not leprosy. It is not the Plague. It is a coronavirus. There will likely be no vaccine.


    It seems that for quite a few of us, our minds are made up one way or another. Maybe it’s rooted in our DNA, or personalities, or religion, or culture, or political ideology. Or maybe its our individual convictions or fears in light of our own circumstances.

    Some of us seem to be saying that nothing is more important than keeping people healthy, and some of us seem to say that nothing is more important than keeping the economy going.


    Ah yes Ilargi you can ask (not demand) that people with compromised health or symptomatically ill stay isolated while continuing to allow those in good health to circulate freely. While it is a nice idea to think that everyone has equal ability to survive this illness this would fly in the face of common knowledge about health – some have good health and good immunity while others do not for various reasons.
    Back when TB was on the rise in Canada that is exactly what was done (my mother in law was isolated due to TB in hospital for 1.5 years, as was her daughter, until they got well.
    As I pointed out about a month ago, there are leading health experts advocating exactly this approach now – isolating only those who need it.
    BTW: I gather you are okay with subjecting people to poverty due to job loss (a known detriment to good health) and all the social ills (domestic violence) and illness (cardiovascular disease) associated with loneliness?
    Sorry but we are not on the same page. I might as well just stick with mainstream media at this point.


    “The pursuit of a condition of harmony defines utopian thought and discloses its basic unreality. Conflict is a universal feature of human life. It seems to be natural for humans to want incompatible things — excitement and a quiet life, freedom and security, truth and a picture of the world that flatters their self-importance.” John Gray Black Mass: Apocalyptic Religion and the Death of Utopia.


    Another thing — I think we need to distinguish between a “reset” and a “reflation.”

    Reset implies a jubilee, price discovery, markets clearing, interest rates determined by the market rather than central planners, and an end to the current structure of the global financial/monetary system. The role of government will be a return of the New Deal: Putting people back to work. Public money spent on public infrastructure. The elites have no interest in a reset and will fight this to the bitter end.

    Reflation is what the elites have in mind — a repeat of the crisis of 2008. No jubilee. No relief. Just another squeeze on the middle class. They will throw people out of their homes, let asset prices fall for a while, hand out newly printed money to banks and hedge funds, buy up assets on the cheap, and then bid everything back up again. That’s what they have in mind, and that is not a reset. Their idea of government assistance is socialism for the banks and big corporations, and crumbs for everyone else.

    Both scenarios involve short term pain, but only one has a bright future for the vast majority of the people.


    BTW: I gather you are okay with subjecting people to poverty due to job loss (a known detriment to good health) and all the social ills (domestic violence) and illness (cardiovascular disease) associated with loneliness?

    That’s a lot of things on a heap that do’t belong together. No poverty, governments should pay people a variation of UBI. Pay people, not the companies they work for. Linking domestic violence to a virus is just weird in many ways, Aunt Mildred should be allowed to walk the streets even if she can spread a disease because she married an idiot? Better separate these issues. As for people feeling lonely after two weeks at home, that wouldn’t appear to be an issue brought on by a virus.

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