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    John Vachon Hull-Rust-Mahoning pit, largest open pit iron mine in the world, Hibbing, Minnesota Aug 1941   • FBI’s Trump-Russia Inquiry Wasn’t Bi
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle December 10 2019]

    #52073

    I left out articles on the UK elections, it’s all just a wall of accusations on all sides.

    I also left out the Turkey story, because that is developing. The EU talks about the Turkey-Libya deal where maritime “borders” were agreed between those two but not Greece, Cyprus, Egypt. Brussels does not want this hot potato. Also, Erdogan is threatening to invade Libya because of Haftar. Will keep following.

    Then, John Solomon posted a whole series on the IG report, at johnsolomonreports.com. Lots of info.

    Lastly, tomorrow is a travel day, so no Debt Rattle.

    #52074
    V. Arnold
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    John Vachon Hull-Rust-Mahoning pit, largest open pit iron mine in the world, Hibbing, Minnesota Aug 1941

    …and that was before Dec. 7th, 1941…

    #52075
    Dr. D
    Participant

    The real wealth of the nation, and what it costs. It’s why those cities exist, DeLuth, Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Buffalo. But we don’t want wealth or its costs anymore, and like the Maya, the Mound Builders, Detroit is returning to forest, to be tomorrow’s mystery.

    …Oh and like Ayn Rand said in 1954 if we got where we were headed. Seemed like sci-fi, nonsensical, hysterical, hyperbolic exaggeration, like “1984” and “Brave New World.” Nope. Detroit is returning to bushes, with illiterate people raising rabbits. …And that was already documentary fact in “Roger and Me”, in 1989.

    In a huge surprise to no one:

    “Wikipedia Fraud EXPOSED: Troll farms and the CIA have hijacked the once open platform”

    Looks like Phil Cross has been busy editing Wikipedia 500 times a day, on weekends and holidays. Busy busy. No rest for the wicked.

    The application of overwhelming and regular intervention is the prime feature of the day, but also including markets like Cryptos. There may be actual, real traders somewhere in the oil or bitcoin pits, but is overwhelmed by a 24/7 blizzard of fake orders illegally cross-trading between themselves, or illegally offering nothing then retracting when asked. …All totally illegal of course, as I imagine Philly-boy is illegal under terms of service too, since he’s pretty veritably not a single person and contributor, but a non-person influence agency. Maybe Coca-Cola should start their own Phil Cross and add Coke to every great moment in history. “That Genghis Khan, he sure loved a Coke!” Reported by Brian Williams, on the moon: “Neil Armstrong drinks Coke on the Sea of Tranquility.” Why not? Still a more plausible than these guys. Or the Dow, S&P, gold, BTC, and oil pits. Unlimited money is the root of it, the ability to hire, hide, and payoff all watchmen in ABC, the SEC, and every relevant agency and structure, and the trading public too, who somehow think they’re getting one over on the casino.

    “Morgan Stanley: Central Banks Are Injecting $100 Billion Per Month to Crush Vol and Spike Markets”

    BTW, the Fed changed Repo reporting to something crazy like a 1,000-month geometrically-weighted moving average, so although overnight spikes to 10% or 100% may be happening, we can never know or see it – the truth – again. Ah, Capitalism! Where there’s no price discovery, no price signaling, no profit or loss, and no bankruptcy! Only, me, my pals, and a haystack of cashola, and Epstein’s favorite chicks in the back!

    “Contrary to Conventional Wisdom, US Farmers Are Having Their Best Year Since 2013“
    “The United States Department of Agriculture recently announced that US net farm income this year will climb to its highest level since 2013. This is very significant as US farmers are not faring nearly as poorly as many pundits and media outlets continue to often report. As a result, US farmers collectively have not been in any real uproar and are not jeopardizing Trump’s re-election chances.”

    While I don’t believe this either, it’s contrary to the common media, which as far as I can tell, hasn’t asked any farmer anything, probably because they’re afraid of being contaminated by their deplorableness even over the phone. 1st the Farm reports are wildly optimistic. 2nd, you have survival bias, where many farms DO go under, but their sales are picked up by ADM conglomerates. 3rd, prices RISE due to shortages, which is something, somehow, every reporter always misses. The WORSE the year, the BETTER for prices (for anybody who has some). And these are just off the top of my head, yet to see a report that bothers to pursue them.

    Here’s one we do know, that this article finds:
    Chart

    Trump’s $60B he set aside for the trade war is finally reaching farm “income”, which is a generous term, because it’s bailout/welfare, but the BLS does the same thing often for food stamps, SS, unemployment and other payouts, counting them as GDP instead of the OPPOSITE of GDP, which on any normal balance sheet, they would be, being debt. Still, good news in a way: will probably slow bankruptcies as attempted by China. …And the media. As I’ve said, they’ve simply reported this trade BS, asked nothing, interviewed nobody, and ignored epic, record, late, and non-plantings, snowed-in harvesting, and equipment/field destruction. And why? Exclusively to sour farmers on Trump and directly election-tamper, as ever. However, farmers are not idiots and know what their eyes look like on their own backyard, and what their neighbors say in their own states. …And they also know that reporters hate farmers with shivering genocidal fury and lie with every waking breath. I wouldn’t count on it swinging the election much: nice try.

    Speaking of: the polls are now in, and as said by me and many others, Trump is beating ALL Democratic candidates handily. No one knew about Hunter, Burisma, Ukraine, nuttin’, UNTIL – da de dah! The media started covering it every day by COVERING IT UP. And again, so…after 15 candidates, 1 election, two parties and the U.S. media destroyed, it’s just another accident by a Neanderthal-browed man-child, who never intended or planned any of it, totally on accident, nor has he ever planned or done anything else ever, and certainly not realizing the media will only report if it’s HIS mis-deeds, then arranging the Zelinsky call and leaking it accordingly. No. That would be impossible because you’d need the brains of a 12-year-old to do that, and the media does not. But we know they are illiterate, as will be proven again today with the IG report they won’t be able to read accurately, so QED.

    So anyway: thanks Schiff, Nadler, Pelosi, and thanks to all the press! Without your feckless, idiotic, and wildly overzealous, illegal and partisan actions, Trump would not be front-runner and looking into the possibility of a landslide in 2020. All you had to do was shut up, follow the people, follow the law, and run Tulsi or even Buttigeig with appropriate (fake) media support. This is what happens when you always double-down on risk instead of backing up, moderating, and cutting your risk. …Aaaaand that’s how Bush and the Neocons also lost. Now on to the complete loss to their identical, conjoined twin, the NeoLibs.

    Let’s skip IG for today and go elsewhere: What? The Pentagon and every paper was lying with every waking breath? About War and about Afghanistan? For 20 years? Oh noes! But I thought you couldn’t hide something big, involving a lot of people, and over a long time! It’d be a “conspiracy.” And now we’ll be discredited like a bunch of bloodthirsty idiots and fools just like Russia when they went there and Britain before, and lost not only there, but their empires as well? Whoo’d a knoon? It’s our national anthem:

    Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, and lie.

    #52076
    zerosum
    Participant

    questions lies, lies ??

    if the web had not been invented.

    What would we know
    What would we believe
    Would we have illusions, lies, fantasies,
    Does knowledge free us or does knowledge enslave us?

    Yesterday’s la-la-land is dead
    Are we just characters in another bad movie?
    Are we still living in a different kind of matrix?
    Is there a spoon that is being bent?
    Were there ever any jolly green giants living in harmony with all forms of life?
    What have the enablers done to us that makes us accept all the bad things being done everywhere in the world?
    Why can millions of people demonstrate against the systems and the enablers can still keep the system operational?

    Why do we seem to be irrelevant, ineffective, ?
    Is the butterfly effect real?
    Can strange attractors be reset by the butterfly effect?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fisa-report-reveals-clinton-meddled-2016-election
    FISA Report Reveals Clinton Meddled In 2016 Election

    If Russia spending $100,000 on Facebook ads constitutes election interference, and Donald Trump asking Ukraine to investigate the Bidens is too – then Hillary Clinton takes the cake when it comes to influence campaigns designed to harm a political opponent.

    Whatever the case – the act of Simpson paying Steele to peddle fiction to the media for the purpose of harming Trump, by itself, constitutes blatant election meddling by every standard set by the left over the past three years.

    We’re sure Hillary can explain that if and when she jumps into the 2020 race.

    #52077

    Looks like a realistic risk. And Russia won’t be able to stay out. The “rebels” are Russians.

    Putin: If Kiev gets control of rebel-held border with Russia, a Srebrenica-type massacre may follow

    Moscow is concerned that if Kiev troops take control of the border between Russia and eastern Ukraine without ironclad guarantees to anti-government militias, a massacre not unlike the one in ex-Yugoslav Srebrenica may occur.

    Speaking of Kiev’s demands on Tuesday, Putin said there needs to be absolute certainty that people in eastern Ukraine would be safe once control of the border changes hands, considering that there is not even an amnesty in place.

    “We agreed [on the roadmap] in 2015. They have an amnesty law, some decisions have been taken, but nothing has been put into force,” Putin told the presidential human rights council. Without guarantees, “I can imagine what would happen next. There will be a Srebrenica.”

    [..] Putin said he was not certain that President Volodymyr Zelensky would be able to keep a check on Ukrainian radical nationalists, who gained significant prominence in the country since the 2014 armed coup in Kiev, in which nationalist fighters played a key part.

    “We have seen the way Zelensky talks to the nationalists, and it’s not clear who has the upper hand there,” he explained.

    #52078
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “Tulsi has not explained why she won’t be in the debate.”

    It is possible that she has decided that using the DNC machine has gotten her as much press as it’s worth, and now she will go around them, probably straight through the internet. As tired and mentally inactive as most Americans are, they’re even more tired and brain-weary of duopoly electoral facades.

    I’m not selling hope, just examining logical ramifications of her career as I know it to date. If she mans the Twitter et al guns properly, she could be surprisingly effective. To be honest, I am not for the prospect. It’s too much like putting a cherry on top of a ratshit sundae. America obviously needs tp be deeply humiliated to learn the first thing about being a nation among peers. Trump’s doing a swell job of maintaining and expanding our increasingly poor global reputation.

    As for the Ukraine: always a popular spot for starting odd-numbered world wars.

    Why do I love having Trump in office, moral hemorrhoids and all? (Well, at this point, I do.) Here’s why: he’s batshit nuts, not stupid; and even batshit nuts knows that starting a nuclear-edged conflict is just plain stupid and bad, bad, bad.

    So I hope this impeachment jive show gives the Dems what they want: political cover and time to hopefully avoid being at least publicly humiliated or even incarcerated (it happens now and then). They obviously lost interest in winning presidential elections after Obama, and even then, they only let him win grudgingly.

    Their corrupt incompetence will leave Trump in orifice for another term. I don’t think he can stop military mayhem of one sort or another, but maybe he can confine it to the standard shit-zones like Saudi Arabia, a place unlikely to incite nuclear conflict.

    I’m looking forward to seeing Lindsay Graham and Nancy Pelosi on Dancing with the Stars. Graham in a tutu and Nancy in lederhosen.

    #52079
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “No idea if this is true. • Ghislaine Maxwell Planning TV Tell-All About Epstein Scandal (NYPost)”

    It fits in with the tactical scenario. Keep worrying about his reputation after death, and cause of death. This assures that most people believe Epstein is dead. Those busy busy wily Israelis.

    #52080
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Washington has apparently smelled the gunpowder and decided they should try something other than waving their wiener in Putin’s face. Occasionally the DC trogs stumble in the right direction.

    #52081
    zerosum
    Participant

    Yesterday there were 17 mistakes.
    Today …
    https://johnsolomonreports.com/
    Just how bad was the FBI’s Russia FISA? 51 violations and 9 false statements
    December 9, 2019

    #52082
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Ilargi; you okay?
    Way past your normal posting window…

    #52083
    zerosum
    Participant

    You must have missed it. He’s travelling today.
    We got to help ourselves today.

    #52084
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Yes, and four individuals who were spied on, not just Carter or two. …P.S. totally proven, as I said, Page was an FBI(etc) informant from way back. …And now they think he’s a Russian? Maybe you should investigate yourself and your own background checks if that’s true. OR you have rock-evidence he’s definitively a double agent now. OR, and most likely of all, HE WAS PLANTED IN THE CAMPAIGN AS AN INFORMANT FROM THE GET-GO. Also Manafort, most likely, which is why he’s still in jail, most likely. Anyway, four people, each with two wire-tap hops, I should think they could wiretap most of the east coast as planned, and as I warned the day the word “Patriot Act” was first heard. “Oh Herr Docktor, they would NEVER use that power to spy on Congressmen and Judges and opposition candidates!” even as that was the very FIRST thing they did within weeks, like the KGB and every secret-state in the history of this poor blue planet. What was it Santayana said? People who are gum-durned idiots who don’t bother to learn a fool thing will burn badly and destroy us all?

    51 crimes right off the top, for omitting, but also ACTIVELY misrepresenting evidence to FISA. …Oh and FISA, run by the eerily-quiet Mr. Roberts, saw all this in court 3-12x (4 people x 3 renewals) and didn’t say “Hold on pilgrim! Go get me some additional support and make me really, really SURE you’re not just spying on an opposition President for personal entertainment.” Nope. Roberts say, “Yes sir, how high, how long sir?” Because not like the FBI has made serial fabrications about something high-profile like 4 times a year for 50 years or anything, Eastwood’s movie being but one, but they JUST had the FBI lab basically doing no tests and phoning back any results the agents wanted for years, while smoking all the meth they sent. With (gender-undefined)Boy Scouts like them, who needs Satan’s minions? He can eat lunch: you’re doing fine on your own. Now are any of the honest agents going to DO anything about it? Like whistleblow or arrest their own betrayers? Apparently nope. So are they not therefore, by definition, also dirty agents and the whole agency too? You decide, but I’m talking about Bush’s man Mr. Roberts here, and that whole 3rd branch of government who authorizes everything they’re told, no matter how hilariously, transparently anti-legal. ACA taxes anyone? Civil Forfeiture? 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 10th Amendments?

    So, they’re really going to do it, and I didn’t believe, but was told. This week, this Tuesday, Trump has stellar economy, stellar employment, rising approval, just got the USMCA through by holding them down and shoving it down their throats with a funnel after 30 years of Clinton (Bush) NAFTA devastating the country…so obviously they must impeach him. What? The people will get whiplash you so double-talk them. And #2, like Mueller, for a process ‘crime’ * that wouldn’t have existed except for their investigation and for #1 “Abuse of Power” which I think still remains undefined. It’s bribery? Quid pro quo? An attempt to remove the DNC’s weakest candidate in an ill-fated attempt to run against someone actually viable and harder? Can’t tell since it changes every day. One thing that doesn’t change is Ukraine and their PM both declare that NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED, no pressure was applied. Now they could lie, but a) it’s legal record and therefore there is by definition an honest dispute to be had, and b) Why would they? If they remove Trump, even by LYING about his intent, they would get an administration that owes them its existence and would give them all the billions they ever dreamed of. Makes no sense, but doesn’t need to: media refuses to report that the guy they claim was robbed is in court, on the stand, telling the jury he wasn’t robbed, he doesn’t know of any robberies anywhere, and the whole case is brought by the mental fantasies of the prosecutor. “Strike that from the record, your honor, the Jury must not hear the victim is not a victim at all and there is no crime!” Okay, boys, whatever. So what do you think will happen in the Senate?

    *obstruction is pretty debatable under separation of powers and needs to go to the Supreme Court

    On Ukraine, Russia, like eastern-thinkers, isn’t in a hurry. They’ve won every war so far by letting their enemies idiotically waste themselves, get bored, collapse, and leave. Ukraine and the West ALREADY lied every day for 5 years in the Normandy agreement, and 10,000 exchanges a year, there hasn’t been a single day of ceasefire, Trump’s U.S. and NATO are still (heavily) arming the Banderite Nazis, nor were any of the other points upheld. So clearly there’s no possibility of just handing over the border, nor any need. They’re up to something, but I wouldn’t worry. Maybe they are arranging pieces for when we go broke and they buy us some bus tickets to get our soldiers safely out of their backyard. Market-timer Armstrong isn’t giving a date, but he’s suggesting we’re going into ’08 part two shortly.

    And Epstein just HAS to be dead: when has the FBI and DoJ ever lied to us? I mean except every time they’ve opened their mouths every day in my lifetime.

    #52085
    zerosum
    Participant

    USMCA WAS DONE BY LAWYER FOR LAWYERS
    USMCA is for the benefit of business
    As usual, prices will go up. (The lawyer need to be consulted and paid their rake)
    See below. Included my corrections.

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    The United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement, or USMCA, will replace the current NAFTA agreement that governs trade in North America. The trade agreement has been negotiated by the governments of The United States, Mexico and Canada, but (it) still must be ratified be by certain groups within these governments.
    The trade agreement will have a big impact on many parts of the economy. There will be winners (businesses) and losers. (consumers)
    USMCA.com was created to make it easy to search the agreement and comment on different aspects of it. To get started, select a section below.

    #52086
    John Day
    Participant

    http://www.johndayblog.com/2019/12/not-extinct-yet.html
    Were Other Humans the First Victims of the Sixth Mass Extinction?
    This article opens the paradigmatic question of the essential natural characteristics of social groups of Homo Sapiens. It looks at the genetic and fossil history of our engagements with Denisovans Neanderthal and other human races. We shared genes, then exacted genocide upon them. It was a fairly quick progression, even in ancient times, something like a thousand years. Later, with ships, bankers, guns and smallpox, the Americas would be conquered much faster.
    To my mind, the essential competitive edge described here is sociopathy, the ability to kill without hesitation or reluctance, and to do so at any scale. Perhaps those other human races lacked sociopathy. We can imagine ourselves completely without it in our society, but questions arise about how things happen in wars and finance, and power relations.
    Sociopaths seem to have been essential to our human tendency to overgrow our systems of food production. Sociopaths lead us to population reduction when this happens. It’s brutal, but having sociopaths in a group is a competitive advantage to lacking sociopaths in a group.
    We are at a difficult juncture in history, massively overgrown on the long term support system of agriculture and nature, by the one-time pulse of fossil fuels, fossil water, and the discovery of iron, copper, rare-earth metals and uranium.
    We have the intellectual and cognitive ability to meet our global needs as humans and as parts of nature, differently, but our nature is to be ruled by our sociopathic members in times of crisis.
    We see it around us, wherever there is mass killing and expropriation of wealth. Our sociopaths get ignored or whitewashed. Their sociopaths, and even citizens, get tarred.
    The best I can come up with is that the sociopathic rulers are now as threatened as ordinary citizens, by the vast destructive power they wield. Self-preservation dictates that they condone non-destructive methods going forward, but they are human and they panic, too. Meanwhile, they experiment with new forms of war, with their mass control of other humans, through finance and media, as well as armies.
    It’s up to us to keep the pressure down and derive day to day solutions which do not involve execution, expropriation and genocide.
    This will be a long, slow process, subject to immediate catastrophic failure, but what else is there to do?
    https://phys.org/news/2019-11-humans-victims-sixth-mass-extinction.html

    #52087
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    You must have missed it. He’s travelling today.
    We got to help ourselves today.

    Now that you mention it; I totally forgot.
    Thanks

    #52088
    Isometrist
    Participant

    I see “President” Trump has found time to support his main constituency even with this oh-so-serious impeachment process underway (it’s called Pantomime Season or General Election n Britain BTW)

    President Trump is expected to sign an executive order today purporting to target anti-Semitism on college campuses. However, the measure is understood on all sides as an attempt to outlaw the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement and criticism of Israel more generally. https://www.mintpressnews.com/how-trump-new-anti-semitism-bill-criminalizes-dissent/263396/

    Yet folks keep telling us that “Pres” DJT is battling those pesky denizens of the deep state, fighting for the ordinary man and underage model, sorry woman.

    If only we Brits had a Donald: a statesperson who could stand above the paid-for sycophants (psychophants maybe?) that fill our hallowed halls of democracy, and fight for the people.

    But wait: crazy hair covering baldness – check; sockpuppet for small Middle Eastern state – check; dodgy family – check; foot-in-mouth syndrome – check; sexual affairs and tales of assault and unwanted attention – check; gaffes, spaffs and inappropriate laffs – double check; helps sell advertising in newspapers and primetime tv – checkmate!

    Trump and Johnston – the best double act since Thatcher and Reagan, and that’s not saying much…

    #52107
    zerosum
    Participant

    Democracy and peace means saying,
    “Yes. Dear”

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