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    Pablo Picasso Female bust 1943   • All NATO Countries Agree On ‘Need’ For Ukraine Membership – Minister (RT) • US Poised To ‘Dramatically Expand’
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle December 2 2022]

    #122444
    oxymoron
    Participant

    They look like ALIENS STUCK IN RAVIOLI!!!!

    #122445
    redshift
    Participant

    2500 soldiers per month? That ought to do it, rofl.

    #122446
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “Biden Administration Gives Trump Tax Returns to House Democrats: “This rises above politics, and the Committee will now conduct the oversight that we’ve sought”

    Wow. Do you hear yourself? In search of what crime, exactly? Okie-dokie, well when the new Congress gets in now we can get Joe’s. Should be super-interesting with him sharing bank accounts and business partners with a guy who’s been paid in Ukraine and got $1M from Moscow.

    And really? Really-really? You really think the IRS hasn’t given everyone and their dog a peek? And yet no leaks. What does that confirm for you?

    Speaking of the Supreme Court, the Brunson case on the protocol of 2020 is being released. When will they grace us with their majesty? Jan 6. Who says the court doesn’t have a sense of humor?

    https://docbrown77.substack.com/p/interesting-scotus-case-hit-the-docket (semi-random link that discusses it)

    “Their case hinges on constitutional amendment violations of the right to due process. When an election has concerns of fraud, constitution allows for a 10 day investigation to look at the potential fraud questions and determine if fraud did or did not occur. This case is NOT one of election fraud, it is about congress and the senate NOT doing their oath of office…”

    They did, in fact and deed, NOT wait the 10 days when asked. Case closed, but I guess we’ll all find out.

    So…anyone remember the last time USSC even SAW a case? Much less a case self-filed by two private bozos? Almost ALL cases sent to USSC are declined. (this is arguably unconstitutional but goes back to 1789 and who would you sue?)

    This one was being heard even ahead of 10th Circuit, although apparently the 10th got the lead out and released so even less obstacle. So: What’s up, Doc?

    Latvia Calls for NATO to Allow Ukrainian Strikes Inside Russian Territory: Allies “should not fear” escalation from Moscow, Latvia’s FM said.”

    Oh, well, in that case, bomb away! What’s the worst that could happen?

    “Blinken: $1.1 billion to secure Ukraine & Moldova’s energy sector and restore their energy supply.”

    Zero for U.S. energy sector and supply. But as I said: Broke, Runaway compounding, add $1B a WEEK now.

    “America To Unveil World’s First Sixth-Generation Bomber Friday”

    We own one of them. And what would we bomb? We can send an ICBM to do the same thing at no risk and 1/10th the cost. What is this, the era of B-17’s? WWII IS OVER, PEOPLE! We lost. But all these guys are 90, so this is what they think is hip to jive of the new kids.

    “US Poised To ‘Dramatically Expand’ Training of Ukrainian Forces”

    What men? In what time? We don’t have a Matrix download, time EXISTS.

    ““NATO members confirmed that the alliance door is open to Ukraine,” Stefanishina continued, arguing that this was a “new powerful signal” that shows “no one fears pressure from Russia.”

    Fighting that Russia with SIGNALS. Nearly 1,000 men and 20 tanks were killed today with NATO’s new BatSignal.

    John Mearshiemer: Actually, the Russians don’t have a game “Russian Roulette” because that game is stupid. It’s “Western Roulette.” Or for another culture not named, where you attack others and then claim to be the victim.

    lead the White Races of the world in a final crusade…against the Semite-led Untermenschen.”

    This has the support of Liberals and Blue and Yellow flag wavers worldwide. We have the same Donetsk here, from coast to coast, with a film of book-burning people on the coasts in a final crusade against American untermenchen. That is: anyone who works.

    “despite how inconvenient to Americans it may be to accept this, they see Russia as their ally”

    Only because Americans are astonishingly and excruciatingly ignorant. They’re like Ukraine (real country) is being invading by Russia (real country). There is no Ukraine. At the least it is made of two conflicting, equally-sized cultures who constantly disagree on everything. Normally that would be a civil war, but worse, the East half isn’t Ukrainian rebels, they’re simply “Russians”. So when they say “Russia bombed”, “Ukraine liberated” none of these terms make the slightest sense. Russia absorbing “Russia” and Russians into Russia fixes this.

    You’d be saying “America” “Invaded” Pennsylvania or Puerto Rico. (Which in fact they do say, being excruciatingly ignorant). So there’s no talking to them. Only actions will work. And when the actions are finalized, they have no intelligence or morality so their sponge-minds will simply mold to the new reality as if it had been there all along. I mean: look at the antiwar left now being rabidly pro war, bombing brown people worldwide, setting up slave markets. There’s not the slightest consciousness that this is odd, is a change from anything, or that things were ever different. We were always at war with Eurasia. We are still the party of pro-brown and peace, because we bomb them in war. Both are true, and neither.

    Common Core and Carter’s (illegal) Dept of Education has worked a treat and accomplished its job. “We’ll know we’ve done our job when everything the U.S. people believe is false” – CIA director Casey.

    In fact, they’re moving on from there. They now have, like Fauci, everyone believes all things are true AND false, at the same time. Everything and its opposite, depending on which source of power is asking of me.

    EU Has No Legal Way to Seize Russian Assets – EU Officials (RT)”

    Very reassuring coming from a place with no rule of law. …That already DID seize the assets. …And held Assange for +10 years in solitary without a court. …And arrests doctors daily for…doctoring.

    “According to the Kremlin, around $300 billion in reserves held abroad have been frozen”

    Yes, but when I freeze your assets so you don’t have the use of them, that’s not “seizing” them at all! No! Just like when I have complete control of all your assets, all means of production, direct them, control them, take the profits of them, designate them to new owners, stop them, start them, that’s not “Socialism” at all! Because in Socialism, “Government Owns the Means of Production” not “Government owning the means of production.” Thus with seizing and freezing. I know they look and act exactly the same, but I “Signaled” using a different “word” out of my “lie hole” and so they’re totally different.

    “reserves held abroad have been frozen since March, along with billions more belonging to Russian businesses and individuals.”

    Individuals. Meaning “Anybody we felt like.” “Who don’t live in Russia” and “Never had a court case”.

    I was broke, your money was there, what do I look like? You had it, I wanted it, case closed.

    Oh, P.S. the assets (gold) of Libya were also “Frozen” not “Seized” while the Obamas and Clintons finished the construction of all those new slave markets. But they painted rainbow flags on them, so: all good! That was 10 years ago, still haven’t got any of it back, or any access to it. Nor are ever likely to. You have to understand: to them, all property belongs to people with POWER. I have power, you don’t, therefore it’s mine. Case closed. Like Saudi Arabia, “property” means it’s yours up until I want it. Like your daughter.

    “Ironically the solution to this was the idea of a ‘New World Order’[1] for Europe.”

    This is exactly and seamlessly what we have today. Economically, socially, politically. This is the very definition of the EU. Russia survived Germany, and indeed all the West, and was not conquered as planned in the 30s. So they established this new plan to re-capture the ancestral homeland on behalf of somebody. And they used the same people they used all along, and the very same people today as well. This is not hard to see, but you need to break past the lies.

    They’re not “Former” Nazis, they all believed in the technocratic merger of corporation and state all along. It all was merged in their weird religion using social “media”, social engineering, all along. Literally nothing changed but when we called this rose a “turnip” somehow everyone was fooled. Does it TASTE like a rose to you? Or like a turnip? How many fingers, Winston?

    Now Stalin is dead and the USSR hasn’t existed in a generation. Nothing changes. So…maybe this wasn’t about “fighting communism”? “Better dead than red”? “Our way of life” after all? No. It wasn’t. It never had anything to do with that. They don’t care who runs Russia, Stalin, Hitler, the Pope. They need to conquer the ancestral homeland and won’t stop until WE run Russia. There is no other plan, there has never BEEN another plan, it’s all the SAME plan, since 1900.

    And I for one am pretty tired of it.

    “the EU respects China’s sovereignty and will not interfere in its domestic affairs.”

    While the EU army, NATO, arms and funds Taiwan 5,000 miles away, while THIS VERY MINUTE, funding the unrest and revolution inside China. And are passing laws to damage EU-China trade. Uh-huh. Your words mean nothing to me. They are “Not Agreement Capable” because they are “Not Reality Capable.” (And also “Really Incapable”)

    “warned on Wednesday amid looming fears of a trade war between America and Europe.”

    Genius! He declares there MIGHT be a war after one side ALREADY BOMBED your trade, all industry, and a few billion dollars in NordStream. If we don’t look out, something might happen!

    “Macron said the scheme – Of blowing up all energy sources and putting Europe in the dark – would have a negative impact on Europe by making it less attractive for businesses”

    “Macron described the economic plan as “super aggressive”

    Well I can’t argue with that. Bombing all Europe to destroy their industry is indeed “super aggressive”.

    And electric cars, really. STOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPP!!! I can’t take it anymore.
    1) We have no cars 2) We have no lithium 3) we have no grid. WTF are you TALKING about? This is day and night arguing about the legislation related to beanie babies. Newspaper articles breathlessly covering beanie babies. Actors’ positions on Beanie babies. The world will be saved if only we can produce/not produce beanie babies.

    WHO ARE YOU SELLING THIS TO? The 1% slice of political class that exists 1/10th of a mm below the 0.001% class?

    I heard Alex of the Duran say “The political class of the West is highly stable”. And this was both a very true, and relevant statement. It’s never been MORE stable. The problem was as he said next: IT HAS NO SUPPORT FROM THE PEOPLE of any Western government. They’re aliens we would all happily put on a rocket and shoot into space. So THEY are stable. Good, nice going, good job in your rigging, engineering, power consolidation. You won. However, we are going to TEAR THE NATION APART to eject them, whereupon you will have NO power whatsoever, none, not even a little. Your super-stability and insect-like uniformity is brittle and will break very shortly. Humans aren’t like that, but not being human, they wouldn’t know.

    So who are they selling this blue-haired, 6-gendered, electric car, universal surveillance, police state panopticon utopia to? Only this 1% managers and apparatchiks, the PMC class who love it, wild 1% outliers of the human bell curve. The rest of us don’t exist to them, we exist to be killed.

    Biden hasn’t been to the border. Because we don’t have one.

    “ The European Union Moves Toward a Possible Ban of Twitter (Turley)”

    Yay! Since it’s their bots rigging our elections, from Steele and out of Ukraine, as proven, we should ban THEM. I THINK toppling our government is a Federal crime of some sort, but I guess not.

    Note: each day the Twitter news shows that We, the White Hats, have actually captured a critical piece of THEM, the Black Hats. Great. What’s the next piece to capture? Actually, what’s left? CNN is dead. Meta is in shambles. NY Times is daily discredited. Twitter is owned. WaPo is downsizing. NPR is incoherent. I mean, we’re running out of targets here.

    “The left gives Musk a censorship wishlist”

    Which is a Federal Crime. The 1st Federal Crime on the register, 1A. “Shall not be infringed?” Too complicated for you?

    “[Barretts] critics, who have waged an unrelenting and vicious campaign against the jurist and her family.”

    They hate mixed race families. But they also just: Hate. This is in service to theocracy and THEIR weird religion, which is different than hers, but is well illustrated in Ukraine. Stunning and Brave!

    #122447
    Red
    Participant

    Some of my readers who read my August post, Nobody could have seen it coming, will have gone on to revisit the 2004 BBC docudrama, If… the lights go out. Those who made it to the end, will have noticed something odd and unexplained… how, exactly, did everything go back to normal? The points made in the programme were stark enough – short-sighted governments failing to invest in the long-term infrastructure, private energy companies putting profits ahead of energy security, a regulator focused solely on maintaining a quasi-market in energy, and too rapid a transition from fossil fuel generation to non-renewable renewable energy-harvesting technologies (NRREHTs) all conspired to set the conditions for a complete grid failure – something that is more likely today than at any time in our history. But the question of how the grid might be switched back on again was left hanging… perhaps because that would have been an alarm too far.

    The kind of weather system which provided the conditions for the fictional blackout of Britain is reasonably common – as I write, Britain is in the grip of one. Still, cold, high-pressure air has reduced the electricity generated from wind – The UK’s main source of renewable energy – to just five percent of total demand, and Britain is importing twice as much from continental Europe to plug the gap. But while it is cold, it is far from the freezing temperatures that such weather systems tend to bring in January and February… when our European neighbours may be less keen to export energy to us.

    In the programme, the triggering event for the blackout was a terrorist attack on the pumping station at the Russian end of the Nordstream pipeline. What has actually happened is a little different and, with the systematic dismantling of the Ukraine energy infrastructure, far worse. Nevertheless, we are at considerable risk of gas shortages this winter – particularly if the weather across continental Europe is cold. And while we have access to some liquid natural gas, we lack the tanker fleet and terminal facilities to entirely replace the gas we used to get via the pipelines.

    The gas threat to electricity generation stems from our over-reliance on gas generation both to replace the old coal and nuclear power stations which are being decommissioned, and to provide back-up against the intermittency of wind. Nevertheless, as essential as gas-fired power stations are, faced with a shortage the grid operators would prefer to shut down gas power stations than risk disconnecting domestic supply… the threat of gas explosions after reconnection is too great.

    It is easy enough then, to imagine a scenario not too far removed from If… the lights go out – or, indeed, from events in August 2019 – in which the grid operators are unable to balance supply with demand, even as NRREHTs intermittency causes a dangerous drop in grid frequency. The only difference being that a complete grid shutdown across Great Britain would be far more disruptive. As Christopher Owens, author of The Blackout Report explains:

    “Modern life is now so reliant on electricity that a loss of power for any prolonged period of time would see society as we know it rapidly descend into chaos. No internet. No mobile phones. No petrol pumps. No contactless payments. No planes and trains, and no traffic lights on the roads… Towns and cities would become uninhabitable within days. Law and order would quickly break down as panic grows. Disease would start spreading because of a lack of sanitation and clean water…

    “Without electricity, food stored in fridges or freezers would quickly go off. Shops and supermarkets would either at best be quickly stripped of all supplies or at worst off limits due to tills and payment systems being unavailable.”

    The risk of a “cascading collapse” in which critical infrastructure begins to breakdown causing an even wider cascade of failing systems, grows with each hour the electricity is off. And this is where things get seriously scary, because the most optimistic timetable for restarting the grid after a complete blackout is between seven and fourteen days! And this estimate is likely to be overly optimistic for two key reasons.

    The first is something that we learned to our cost during the pandemic – that we cannot simply rely on private companies to deliver on their commitments to the public authorities. As we saw with suppliers of PPE, ventilators and a host of services, while companies had happily taken public money, when the proverbial hit the fan, all too often they failed to deliver. It is in this light that we should consider the Grid operator’s statement that it is awarding contracts to private providers of so-called “black start” services. These are generators who claim to have enough on-site energy not only to power up their own facilities but also to generate sufficient power to begin restarting the wider grid.

    The second – and much greater – concern though, is with the high penetration of NRREHTs and the low concentration of coal and nuclear in the contemporary British grid. As Owens explains:

    “Only a limited number of UK power stations can provide Black Start capacity. Typically, these have tended to be the old-style coal-fired plants equipped with large generators that can produce enough power on-site to restart the facility without the need for any external power… Circumstances aren’t helped by the trend towards generation from renewables. For example, most wind farms can’t currently Black Start the grid because most depend on some sort of external power before they can start generating. And even though some of the latest designs are now self-starting, they can’t yet provide enough reactive power to energise the grid through the long offshore AC cables they connect with.”

    The situation has worsened since Owens’ report was written, with the loss of the Hinkley Point B nuclear power station together with the ongoing closure of all but two of the old coal stations. Moreover, as explained in the 2004 docudrama, any “mothballed” power stations are likely to have been cannibalised for spare parts, so that there is no chance of their being brought online quickly enough. In practice then, Britain is almost entirely dependent upon gas power stations to reboot the grid:

    “A Scottish Black Start Restoration Working Group review of procedures in September 2018 warned that the 2016 closure of Longannet coal-fired power plant in Fife would result in ‘severe delays’ to the restoration of power north of the border, as it left the gas-fired facility at Peterhead as the only remaining high-power and high-inertia – crucial to stabilise frequency – power station in Scotland.”

    These are the same gas power stations that, in the event of a complete blackout this winter, would have failed due to a shortage of… well… gas. This, in turn, raises the question of whether, without gas, Britain could even be rebooted. Perhaps out of humanitarian concern, LNG tankers could be rerouted to the UK – although without electricity we would have no means of unloading them. Maybe our European neighbours could reroute enough electricity through the interconnectors to begin to restore limited power.

    But in the meantime, how much of our critical infrastructure will have collapsed beyond repair?

    Can we reboot Britain?

    #122448
    anticlimactic
    Participant

    An amusing anecdote from Ukraine :

    Polish mercenaries are ordered to attack Russian positions around Bakhmut by Ukrainian commanders.
    Poles point out it would be suicide as all previous attacks had resulted in death.
    Commanders say Poles will be shot for mutiny if they don’t.
    Poles immediately shoot and kill Ukrainian commanders!

    It may not be true but is very believable.

    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/polish-mercenaries-open-fire-and-kill-ukraine-army-commanders-near-bakhmut

    #122449
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Nazilensky is hiding Ukronazi troop deaths in the ‘Missing in Action’ category (MIA).

    The Ukronazis don’t make much of an effort to pick up their dead off the battlefield because a lot of the time, they lost the territory the dead are on.

    The Russians had to clean up and bury vast amount of Ukronazi troops on Russian controlled turf.

    That gives Nazilensky the excuse to classify the KIAs as MIAs, even though they know damn well most are dead.

    Nazilensky, being the sock muppet of the Empire of Lies, has learned the lessons of lying and elevated them to an Art Form.

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    #122450
    Oroboros
    Participant

    I’m far more inclined to believe the Russian figure of 200,000+ Ukronazi deaths than the comedian Pinocchio

    #122451
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Testing, testing

    Next two week across Eurotardistan gonna be cold

    Winter is Coming

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    #122452
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Operation Gladio: NATO’s Secret War for International Fascism

    By Cynthia Chung for The Saker blog

    The ‘Allies’ didn’t defeat Fascism at the end of WWII, they
    ABSORBED it.

    “You may be asking the question what on earth is “international fascism” and how could NATO be in support of such a thing?! Well, the ugly truth is that what took over world policy in our post-WWII era was in fact a continuation of a fascist outlook for a new world order. Fascism, contrary to what we were told, had not in fact been defeated but was given a brand new face for its public endeavours and went underground for some of its more unsavoury methods. The now official recognition of NATO’s Gladio networks, effectively made up of secret armies in service to NATO including a prominent membership of Nazis, trained to commit acts of terrorism and assassinations against Western citizens and their democratic governments is now acknowledged by historians, yet much of the Western populace remain uninformed about this decades long horrifying abuse of power which was used to support a transition towards far right-wing governments.”

    Operation Gladio: NATO’s Secret War for International Fascism


    #122453
    zerosum
    Participant

    You won’t see this on twitter.

    This not the history that you/we have been taught.

    Operation Gladio: NATO’s Secret War for International Fascism
    15752 Views December 01, 2022
    By Cynthia Chung for The Saker blog

    #122454
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “You misread “gallons” as “pounds”, so off by a factor of 8, mi Amigo Boscohorowitz..”

    My brain hurts.Cat-juggl;ing takes its toll on a lunatic.

    #122455
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “ONE TOY TO RULE THEM ALL”

    Has the boy got the toy or does the toy have the boy?

    #122457
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Long, writing too much. If this keeps up I’ll have to get my own blog, but it should all be over soon.

    Putin’s long interview, I disagree. Even now in hindsight, I feel it was better to give them Minsk and let them demonstrate who they are in ABUNDANT terms. Genocidal, war-mongering lying, double-crossing mass murderers. There can be no dispute in the global south – or anyone who looks – that Russia did everything. Every. Thing. Even at significant personal cost, to prevent the war. I regret to say that has costs, but they’re barely worse off now, and actually better as the West is 10 years weaker, more divided, and near collapse as well.

    People die in wars. But they also die anyway, of life and old age. Question is, what did you LIVE for? They LIVED to try to prevent this war and reach the West, by every means they could imagine.

    Sometimes we look at other history, movies, books, T2, “[Little] Baron Trump’s Marvelous Underground Journey, 1893”; there was a narrative, a timeline, a possibility written under John Titor. This may be Sci-fi, may be Pentagon predictive supercomputers, may be “Looking Glass”, a window into the future, or it could be literally true, I don’t care. The use is in the illustration of the story.

    In that timeline, Y2K happened, it seems, the nation had widespread decay/problems because of it, and then Trump and Hillary had the he/she Presidency in 2004, not 2016. So the same U.S. Civil War started earlier, at a lower level and with a nation owning more central control. But all the baseline pieces and reality were still the same.

    So no one worried about or tried to prevent this war. Why should they? The other side sucks, take them out. What happened? Well the country was still at stalemate decades later, with the coasts still in power and the people still resisting, particularly Florida, which turns out to be true. Everything had been tried everywhere, they couldn’t wrest them out of power by any known means. In a final agreed-on act, Russia then nukes the Deep State cities such as D.C., focusing on the EMP effect, and the U.S. people “win”. But with N-Day was a hollow victory. Things were poisoned all over, population drops, and although most people lived, recovery was slow or nonexistent. Like 100-200 years slow.

    This predicted reality had to be avoided at all costs. Published in 1999. Who knew you wouldn’t have a civil war that ends? Redneck “muh guuunnns” an all that? Surely one side or the other would tire? Not in an age of drones.

    But what do we have now? Same thing because: same baseline reality. Russia can end the war. But only by nuking the Derp State. Which the Derp State demands they do. The West is unreachable, although the Western people are on board with peace and sovereignty that their leaders oppose.

    So we’ve changed some of the parameters, forestalled others. We’ve moved mountains to avoid any active civil war. These things have been annoying, but did in fact work so far. The war was largely displaced from America to Ukraine.

    But you see the same reality: The 0.01% will still never stop attacking Russia and attacking us too. To kill the parasite, we have to bomb ourselves. The parasite is happy with that. So they are merely creating tools to attack us with and poisoning us every day.

    We don’t yet have a third (or fourth, or fifth) parallel reality narrative that leads us out of this narrow pass. Perhaps there isn’t one and 1/3 die anyway, as prophesied. That’s okay. What matters is who runs it all AFTER. Us? Or the anti-human, alien parasite?

    Meanwhile back in the U.S. the Supreme court just got the drop on Congress and the President. They have a loaded gun in legal court case that removes them. In 60 seconds. If they, 9 men, say so. For what? On Jan 6. Communication. The Jan 6, (Committee).

    Is Congress going to stand around for the USSC owning and overruling them, or pack the court? That’s too slow. Arrest the Court? That’s too obvious. They need a condition where if they rule on this case and use this weapon, it looks partisan.

    Why are they so serious? Well, they tried to kill a Supreme Court Justice. Duh. Arrested with duct tape, DoJ approved, Garland approved and did nothing. Congress moved for “Term limits” that just haaaaaappen to cut off and remove the bad black man, Thomas. That’s two. They went after Barrett’s family today. That’s three. It has been rumored they tried to poison someone else, who fell ill with their spouse. That’s four.

    So when will they wait for? “When something happens?” I THINK something did happen. It’s BEEN happening.

    Biden has an 80% disapproval rating, being as he is the most popular President in world history. The people see the economy, the nuclear war, they won’t fight for them either. There’s nobody on their side. The 10 remaining CNN employees? WHAT Civil War?

    So I THINK this is what it’s all waiting for. To divert the First level “Titor” unrest, civil war, and nuclear exchange, but then to also divert the SECOND level U.S. Civil War of trying to stop the FIRST war. Support which is somewhere solidly above 80%. And we’re there. That doesn’t mean no unrest, but that would always happen. Biden/Blinken is talking worldwide nuclear war for the sole benefit of 5 crooks in Kiev. Who have dirt on him and his kid, FTX, and half of Congress.

    Act. And they will. The tension will precipitate a reaction.

    #122458
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Blood Drinking Satanist ‘Cookies’ Nuland asks for More, More Moar for the Ukronazi Laundromat

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    #122459
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    “Extremist religious views”
    Actually, it seems to me that Justice Barrett’s views are pretty common religious views — not fitting the “extremist” epithet. They are not my current views, but they were taught to me long ago. At the same time, I was taught not to condemn people who didn’t live like me, didn’t think like me — what was more important was whether people were honest and trustworthy and kept their agreements — not their marital status nor sexual orientation nor religiosity.

    #122460

    When you needed some diversion, we thought long and hard about it-
    And presented you the smart phone: now you cannot live without it.
    If you own nothing else you’ll be as happy as a clam!
    Now the whole world is addicted, and now everything’s a scam.

    #122461
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    my parents reliably delights me with her short rhyming verse, working a carefully defined niche and nursing good work from it.

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    Fate dropped some wonderfully used old 70s/80s paperback Agatha Christie mystery novels. Never read Agatha before, altho I read most of Dorothy Sayers’ work. I can see why she was overwhelmingly popular. I need a break from this reality thing. Agatha might do the trick.

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    Today’s Yogi tea tag advice: The essence of life is to communicate love.

    Relevant tune: Ask and Ye Shall Receive

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    Mandatory Gift-Giving Is Your Right!

    The Gift of Music

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    Calvin & Hobbes Fight Abominable Snowmen To Keep Us Free and Safe at Night: ‘Because we can’t handle the truth’.

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    Tulsi and Elon might make apposite bedfellows of the strange kind for which politics makes. With covid in decline, demagogue fever is ready to pounce on our politically compromised cognitive immune systems.

    One way or another, the game is definitely afoot.

    #122462
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    I’ve got a bone to pick (yeah, again) with the always brilliant (and inexplicably hesitant) James Howard Kunstler.

    I think that I understand the delicacy of his position. He’s like a coachman headed to a dangerous destination, and cautious not to spook the horses. Here’s another analogy. He’s like General Custer’s scout , understandably reluctant to give his notoriously volatile general the full and unambiguous report of how MANY Indians are on the other side of the hill.

    Whatever the case, here’s my gripe:

    James wraps up his latest missive [see: https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/hows-the-war-on-truth-going/ ] with the following line, “This is what the authorities are really afraid of: that the people will learn their government has carried out — by epic incompetence or true malice — something the looks like an attempted genocide.”

    “Epic incompetence” ????????

    “or” true malice” ???????? Really? “OR” ?!

    That’s a bit understated.

    It would be like a kid telling his Dad that there are some men at the front door here to see him . . . . as three dozen armed and armored SWAT team goons are charging across the front yard and through the door with guns blazing.

    How can the fully aware and purposefully ‘deceit-driven’ crafting of consciously deliberate homicidal lies, and equally purposeful censorship and suppression of truth tellers. . . . . be chalked up to “incompetence”. . . . by any stretch of a languid imagination . . . . no matter how fucking “epic” it might be?

    “Incompetence” ? Well, sure, there’s incompetence, and plenty of it, but so what? Malice can’t even EXIST without incompetence. Just don’t overlook the MAIN fact that the operative word here is malice. That means INTENT. Malice aforethought. Malice with historically enormous quantities of aforethinking. Monumentally unprecedented malice.

    ENOUGH hyper coordinated and accomplished malice to be called ( dare I say it even here ? ) CONSPIRATORIAL malice.

    That’s right. Conspiracy theory. Heavy on the conspiracy, light on the theory. The stack of facts is so huge it makes PROOF sound like equivocation.

    The Cabal has gaslighted its victims so thoroughly that those poor darlings can’t even bring themselves to SAYING THE WORD that describes the crime being perpetrated against them with cataclysmic, civilization destroying, genocidal effect.

    And just by the way. What’s with this use of the past tense as in “attempted” genocide. It ain’t the past. It’s not an “attempt”. It’s NOW. It is a flagrant crime in progress. It’s millions already dead, millions more stacking up like Auschwitz , and billions more on the way, with no end or slowing yet in sight.

    Look, I know it’s hard to stand up and face one’s internalized programming. I have personally spent the past 7 decades doing it, and attest upon my oath that is frequently terrifying and painful as Hell itself.

    Well poor me, so sad, but so what? When the lives of your loved ones depends on it (and they do) it is time to put fear of embarrassment, ridicule or ostracism aside and do what men are supposed to do when the enemy is at the gate. . . . they are supposed to face reality and commit their lives, wealth and sacred honor to the defense of those who depend on them.

    To do less is cowardice and betrayal of trust.

    I will say it again, and plainly. There is a Cabal explicitly dedicated to the erasure of humankind by any and all means at their disposal. They operate at the TOP of the institutions that comprise our so-called civilization. Their plans are explicit and detailed and frequently written down where anyone with a strong psyche, and stronger stomach, can read and understand them.

    What’s happening right now is not WW3. It is Global Civil War LAST. It consists of relatively decent ordinary people on one side, and the Cabal with it’s degraded minions of Evil on the other. You ain’t got a penny candle’s prayer of a chance of winning this war if you can’t even acknowledge who the fuck you are up against. Hint : it’s NOT “incompetence”.

    If we lose, so be it. The Great War will not end, but the next round will have to be fought by some other species because this one will be gone.

    #122463
    The Markster
    Participant

    My parents said no has it correct. Widespread internet use has not even been around for thirty years, and it is ecologically and socially destructive. Narcissism, lies and illusions all the way down. I am in the thick of it just like others and not trying to point fingers outwardly, but it is good to have a plan. Mine is to eliminate the car and the cellphone from my life entirely by September 1, 2024, at which point I rejoin the human race.

    I remember the mid-1990s with great fondness, a narrow window in life when I felt like part of two+ different communities in Portland, OR, right before it all fell apart. In the last thirty years I watched the internet kill the gay bars, hollow out political activist communities and alt media print journalism/jobs, and shred the social cohesiveness and good manners of my hometown to the point where I finally had to flee in fear for the safety for my own life in March of this year. Nevermind what this simulacra of community and “connection” did to the church and my personal social networks during a failed social media experiment from 9/2012 to 9/2019.

    From what I can see, the only real community left in this country is to be found in urban gangs, homeless encampments and the occasional rural neighborhood. I look forward to going back to in-person communications and turning off this idiot box forever. Only 20 months away now, thank goodness. Blessings to you all, even though we are all functionally isolated from each other in a moderated hall of mirrors that relies on rapidly depleting finite resources, child labor, and environmental destruction all around the globe. ☮️

    #122464
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Here’s Why Stagflation Will be the Dominant Theme of the Decade

    Here’s Why Stagflation Will be the Dominant Theme of the Decade…

    #122465
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    ‘undermine democracy’.

    That’s cute. Which ‘democracy is that? The Russian one? There sure isn’t any democracy in the nations that most loudly declare themselves to be democratic.

    Rigged elections, puppet governments, fake news, suppression of dissent…

    I really do not like the use of the word amount to describe people.

    Amount is a word to describe something that is uncountable, such as the amount of sand on a beach or the amount of water in a jug, the amount of corruption in a NATOstan country etc.

    When we are dealing with things that can be counted, we use the word number.

    The number of dead not counted by Ukofascists.

    The number of votes changed by riggers in so-called ballot counting.

    The number of fake jabs forced into unsuspecting gullible people in NATOstan countries.

    The number of lies per day told by NATOstan fake leaders.

    #122466
    kultsommer
    Participant

    @DBS
    Yep. For two an’a half years I was wandering where overly used “incompetence” and “blunder” came from.
    How many still think how it is “stupid” that jab is still being pushed unabated since, by now, it is already proven that “it does not work”.

    #122467
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    In defense of the Internet, I must say that it would be a hell of a lot easier for the totalitarian fascists who control the UK, US, Canda, Australia, NZ etc. to lie to and manipulate the populaces if there were no Internet -just as they did before the Internet emerged as a truth-delivery system and research tool.

    For me, the key is to use both the Internet and personal contacts to counter the continuous stream of lies that emanate from the totalitarian fascists (many of them put into position by unseen ‘dark forces’) who pass themselves off as ‘democratically elected leaders’.

    Although the future will be charactrised by financial, economic, energetic and environmental collapse, it will also be characterised by increased levels of censorship and more ruthless attacks on the general populace by the totalitarian fascists who control NATOstan countries.

    #122468
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    It’s funny how important it is to us that sources of information agree with our interpretation of it. We require folks like Kunstler or The Saker or, fer the love of Hollandaise sauce, Raul Ilargi Meier, all three of whom are known for providing reliably accurate information and attempting to correct misinformation they unwittingly delivered, interpret the information they provide us with in the same way we do, using sufficiently similar confirmation biases as we prefer.

    It’s like agreeing entirely with a man’s choice of woman to bed, but insisting he use your dick to do it with.

    ***

    Meanwhile, here’s some familiar old bad news in a place few of us are familiar wirth:

    Maternal mortality in Russia tripled in 2021 Why? Take a wild guess

    ***
    Hmmm. We are, among other things, a doom’n’gloom website community. Here’s some:

    Somalia on the brink of another brutal famine, with children bearing the brunt — Starvation brought on by extreme weather and conflict

    “The country is in the midst of its fifth failed rainy season, resulting in the worst drought it has seen in nearly half a century. It has decimated the crops and farm animals so many Somalis rely on for their livelihoods. ”

    ‘Worst in a long time’ seems to be a recurrent theme of late regarding wild weather events.

    ***

    “From what I can see, the only real community left in this country is to be found in urban gangs, homeless encampments and the occasional rural neighborhood.”

    I wholly concur. When I find the right youngbloods to run with me as I befriend the homeless with home-baked goodies and nice things like a few gallons of drinking/washing water they didn’t have to haul from god knows where, I hope to sniff around to see what rumors might exist of kings and queens of various homeless concentrations.

    Not that I think such a person wopuld look like this:

    but I guess it sells views which sell commercials which sell stuff… like rain tarps, lotsa heavy cardboard big ass water containers full of water, lots and lots and lots of water, period, serious soap like Bronner’s, blankets, giant heavy garbage bags and if you will, taking said garbage of their hands in your nifty car that looks like a home they used to have before they lost even that….

    This looks like a homeless king to me:

    “In a February 26, 2020 photo, homeless Army veteran Bobbie King makes his way to his volunteer position at the Nova Project in Detroit. (Kirthmon F. Dozier, Detroit Free Press/TNS)” (No, I didn’t notice his last name was King when I chose the image.)

    I knew this guy on FB years ago. Raised by heavy drug dealers, he’s alive to tell about it, which is where his Jimi Homeless Experience project began.

    #122469
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    BY this guy, I don’t mean Bobbie King, I mean Jon Kinyon, creator of the JHExp.

    #122470
    John Day
    Participant

    Thanks everybody for a lot of good input. Really. Truly.

    Boscohorowitz juggled cats. It’s ok.
    At least he didn’t “lose” hundreds of billions of digital-dollars accidentally.

    #122471
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Dan is still sucking heavily on the teat of fossil fuels and fossil-fuel-generated electricity and celebrates the wastage of resources and energy in America, but at least he’s got some idea of what’s coming soon and attempts to wake up ‘sleepers’ to some extent.

    Talk of a major Arctic Vortex (due to destabliastion of the Jet Streams) hitting Europe soon is ‘interesting’.

    “There are desperate people out there.”

    “More people are carrying handguns than ever.”

    “How do you lend yourself 500 million dollars without a bank account?”

    But he [SBF] is ‘not a criminal’.

    #122472
    kultsommer
    Participant

    “Fascism was always the defense against communism”.
    Narrative flaunted in recent years by the Germans and “others”.
    Austria had finally put the stop to Croatian on-again-off-again relationship to checkered (sic) past.
    https://balkaninsight.com/2020/07/09/austrian-mps-vote-for-ban-on-croats-bleiburg-wwii-gathering/.
    Croats are pissed since “they know, for certain, that other Nazi monuments in Austria and Germany are celebrated. So why they can’t?”
    At the end of WWII Tito’s partisans pretty much mowed the fleeing, to the promising West, ustashe black shirts and Some Serbian chetniks in Bleiburg, Austria. Not enough in my opinion and of many others. After that they proceeded to build the XIX century backward country into modern European state.
    I know that comment like this raises quite a few eyebrows. Do not forget that soldiers who landed in Normandy were “your boys”.”Our boys” (and “girls”) were communists who, barely armed, decided to confront German invasion. They made busy 26 German divisions in addition to collaborator forces of Croatia, Serbia, Kosovar Albanians etc…
    That explains my quiet chuckle every time I hear or read the world “Left” spewed on currently.

    #122473
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Juggling cats is NOT ok. I was young and foolish, didn’t know what I was doing. But my shame is mine alone:

    Cat Juggling

    #122474
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    “Xi correctly views Michel as an absolute nobody”

    Where the author positions himself.
    Yet, one could conclude Gabbard and to an extent Ritter are not both “absolute nobod(ies)”.

    .”
    Okay…

    #122475
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “Blessings to you all, even though we are all functionally isolated from each other in a moderated hall of mirrors that relies on rapidly depleting finite resources, child labor, and environmental destruction all around the globe.”

    One of the most pithily holistic descriptions that I’ve ever read of our fundamental situations.

    Now if you could just say that as a bare-chested aging silverback human male shaving bark from a log with techniques millennia old, we could put you on tour and make serious money pissing people off.

    #122476
    John Day
    Participant

    The muscular older man shaving the log said to buck up, grow a pair and “know your enemy”. didn’t he?
    He seems likeable enough (for a Canadian).

    #122477
    John Day
    Participant

    “Modeling Reality” is up, with another picture of not-me-this-time
    https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/modeling-reality

    Moon of Alabama (German) has Newsbits On Ukraine
    Inside Bakhmut frontline ‘littered with corpses’ and ‘colossal’ losses
    ​ ​The Ukrainian commander of the Svoboda battalion, Petro Kuzyk, whose unit is one of those holding Bakhmut said his soldiers are staying in trenches full of corpses, fighting in extremely cold conditions and in knee-deep water against Russia’s attacks.
    ​ ​”I apologise for speaking slowly now, because I’m very cold – it’s making me dizzy. I’ve now left the first line (since I was called). I’m warming up in the car, I’m almost falling asleep, because I haven’t slept all this time. They charged yesterday, quite seriously. They felt a weakness in our defence, because (I will not name the numbers of the units, so as not to spoil their honour) there are units that are less motivated than ours. And yesterday they weakened our defence a little in the area just around the Bakhmut. Some units could not withstand this artillery onslaught and retreated.​”​
    ​ ​”This is our principle: we, the Svoboda Battalion, do not retreat. And because of that, we found ourselves in a semi-surrounded situation, and we had a lot of work to do. In addition, it is a swamp full of mud. It is very difficult to evacuate the wounded or to deliver ammunition. The trenches are constantly deteriorating, and in this swamp they must be constantly rebuilt.”​ …
    ​..Aside from HIMARS Ukraine’s front artillery has become smaller with less reach than those systems used on the other side. That will make it easier to counter it. Ukraine also has an acute lack of ammunition for those few weapons that still exist. It has long lost the artillery war.
    ​ ​The war in Ukraine is waged on an industrial level. But the ‘west’ and its Ukrainian proxy are not prepared for industrial warfare.​..
    ..A retired US general has pinpointed a “major issue” for NATO as the West look to keep up with ammo demands as fighting in Ukraine continues to eat up Western stockpiles.
    ​ ​Ukraine is burning through ammunition and shells at a faster rate than the West can maintain according to retired US Air Force Colonel Cedric Leighton.
    ​ ​The former commander believes that NATO lacks the industrial base to replace depleted stockpiles and Ukraine continues to demand ammunition to use against Russian forces.
    ​ ​Mr Leighton told CNN: “The defence industrial base of all these countries, the NATO countries in Europe as well as the United States it is really not built for this kind of war.​ ​​That very fact has made it really difficult for the West to resupply Ukraine, Ukraine is using weapons at a very high rate it is using ammunition as well as part of this.​”
    ​https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/12/newsbits-on-ukraine-swamp-trenches-short-training-out-of-ammo.html#more

    ​ ​”Not confirmed” Thanks, Anticlimactic.​ ​ Polish “Mercenaries” Open-Fire and KILL Ukraine Army Commanders Near Bakhmut
    ​ ​An altercation has taken place between Polish “Mercenaries” fighting FOR Ukraine, and Ukrainian Army officers commanding them. The Polish Mercs and a grouping of about ten thousand Romanian “Mercenaries” also fighting for Ukraine, were allegedly ordered by Ukrainian Army officers to attack Russian positions around Bakhmut. Fierce fighting has been going on there for weeks and Ukraine is losing.
    ​ ​The Polish “Mercs” told the Ukrainian Army Officers it would be suicide for them and the Romanians to go attack, everyone else who has done so has been slaughtered by the fortified Russian positions.
    ​ ​The Ukrainians then allegedly told the Polish either attack or WE will kill you for Mutiny, at which point the Polish drew their weapons and KILLED the Ukrainian commanders.
    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/polish-mercenaries-open-fire-and-kill-ukraine-army-commanders-near-bakhmut

    ​ ​On the Kremlin side, importantly Biden’s ‘offer’ of being prepared to speak with President Putin about the war didn’t go unacknowledged. The Russian presidency’s office said Friday that Putin is “open” to such talks.
    ​ ​”The president of the Russian Federation has always been, is and remains open to negotiations in order to ensure our interests,” Peskov told reporters. “The United States still doesn’t recognize the new territories as part of the Russian Federation.” Peskov added, “This of course significantly complicates the search for some kind of mutual grounds for possible discussions.”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/first-time-biden-prepared-speak-mr-putin-about-ending-ukraine-war

    #122478
    John Day
    Participant

    ​EU To Set $60 Price Cap On Russian Oil; Kremlin Vows To Ignore, Cut Supply
    ​ ​The move came after overcoming a last-minute push by Poland to lower the cap, for which the European Commission had originally proposed between $65 and $70 per barrel. In short, the EU came down to Poland’s price, which had become a point of contention for more than a week..
    https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/eu-set-60-price-cap-russian-oil-kremlin-vows-ignore-cut-supply

    ​Macron is in Washington for 3 days to talk to Biden on an official state visit. Macron speaks diplomatically here, against the colonization of Europe.
    ​ ​A new US incentive scheme to subsidize local electric car makers risks driving a wedge between Western countries, French President Emmanuel Macron warned on Wednesday amid looming fears of a trade war between America and Europe.
    ​ ​Speaking at the French embassy in Washington,
    Macron said the scheme would have a negative impact on Europe by making it less attractive for businesses to invest in the continent’s economy.
    ​ ​The US Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) offers $391 million of incentives to promote clean energy, including support for electric vehicle manufacturers.
    “The choices of the past few months, in particular the IRA, are choices that will fragment the West,” he said, adding that the EU and the US need “to co-ordinate and re-synchronize our policy agendas.”
    https://www.azerbaycan24.com/en/macron-warns-us-climate-plan-may-fragment-the-west/

    Dutch farmers are fighting for their lives, but don’t expect to see any mention about their struggle with government oppression in the Western media.
    ​ ​Videos emerged on social media Thursday that showed Dutch farmers riding in tactors and clashing with police to rail against the country’s decision to make good on its threat to enforce the EU climate law that has sparked protests for months.
    ​ ​These farmers say these demands will essentially eliminate any chance that they have of making a living. The Netherlands, a country of just about 17 million residents, is the world’s second-largest agricultural exporter after the U.S.
    https://trendsinthenews.substack.com/p/dutch-farmers-to-rutte-go-to-hell

    Rand Paul: Fauci Caused 7 Million People To Die; “We’ve Caught Him Red Handed, He Won’t Get Away”

    Rand Paul: Fauci Caused 7 Million People To Die; “We’ve Caught Him Red Handed, He Won’t Get Away”

    #122479
    John Day
    Participant

    ​ Late December 2021 and January 2022 saw a huge undersea volcanic eruption that I did not pay much attention to.
    It caused a tsunami, but it did not release a lot of cooling sulfur dioxide, rather the tallest plume of water-vapor ever observed, which acts as a greenhouse gas, letting visible light in to the planet, but reflecting heat back down.Thanks Mel for alerting me to this.​
    Tonga Eruption Blasted Unprecedented Amount of Water Into Stratosphere
    ​ ​When the Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha’apai volcano erupted on Jan. 15, it sent a tsunami racing around the world and set off a sonic boom that circled the globe twice. The underwater eruption in the South Pacific Ocean also blasted an enormous plume of water vapor into Earth’s stratosphere – enough to fill more than 58,000 Olympic-size swimming pools. The sheer amount of water vapor could be enough to temporarily affect Earth’s global average temperature.
    “We’ve never seen anything like it,” said Luis Millán, an atmospheric scientist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Southern California.
    https://climate.nasa.gov/news/3204/tonga-eruption-blasted-unprecedented-amount-of-water-into-stratosphere/

    ​ ​The unexpected radiative impact of the Hunga Tonga eruption of 15th January 2022​
    ​ We find that the Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha-apai eruption produced the largest global perturbation of stratospheric aerosols since the Pinatubo eruption in 1991 and the largest perturbation of stratospheric water vapour observed in the satellite era. Immediately after the eruption, water vapour radiative cooling dominated the local stratospheric heating/cooling rates, while at the top-of-the-atmosphere and surface, volcanic aerosol cooling dominated the radiative forcing. However, after two weeks, due to dispersion/dilution, water vapour heating started to dominate the top-of-the-atmosphere radiative forcing, leading to a net warming of the climate system.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-022-00618-z

    ​ ​Record-breaking Hunga Tonga volcanic plume might have warmed Earth’s climate​
    ​The previously unassuming underwater volcano in a remote region of the southern Pacific Ocean exploded with unprecedented force in full view of three weather satellites. These satellites allowed scientists all over the world to observe the mind-boggling explosion in real time and study its aftermath in unprecedented detail.​..
    ​..​”We were really lucky that we had the area covered with three satellites,” Proud said. “[The calculation] produced really nice results; it worked very well for such a high volcano. We’ve never seen everything this high before.”
    ​ ​The calculation revealed that the Hunga Tonga cloud burst not only through the troposphere but also ascended through the entire stratosphere, only plateauing at the altitude of 35 miles (57 km), way into the freezing and dry layer known as the mesosphere. This makes the Hunga Tonga volcanic cloud the highest ever observed and most likely the highest in over a century.​ ​”The last [volcanic eruption] that could have reached this height was Krakatoa in 1883,” said Proud.​..
    ​..​The Pinatubo ash in the stratosphere cooled the Earth’s climate by 1 degree Fahrenheit​ ​(0.6 degrees Celsius) due to the presence of sulfur dioxide in the volcanic material. Sulfur dioxide reflects radiation and is frequently studied as part of potential geoengineering interventions designed to slow down climate change.
    ​ ​When Hunga Tonga exploded, scientists thought the eruption could trigger a similar effect (which was, in the case of Pinatubo, observable for two years). Subsequent measurements, however, revealed that the Hunga Tonga cloud contained only about 2% of the sulfur dioxide generated by Pinatubo, not enough to affect the climate in any measurable way. Proud, however, says that the amount of water sprayed by the explosion into the stratosphere may actually warm the climate.
    ​ ​”This volcano put a lot of water into the stratosphere and also some into the mesosphere,” Proud said. “Water in the stratosphere generally warms Earth’s surface. So this could actually contribute to some surface level warming of Earth over the next few years. We have very good temperature data for the lower atmosphere, so that’s something we should be able to figure out quite quickly.”
    https://www.space.com/tonga-volcano-plume-highest-ever-warmed-climate

    #122480
    Redneck
    Participant

    Still not one article here on the protests in China or Iran….silence……
    Is it too emotionally damaging to recognise that the citizens of China, Iran and South Africa hate their governments and are rebelling against tyranny?
    But that would directly contradict the narrative here that the BRICS governments are wonderful , treat their citizens with love and respect and are democratic and morally superior to the West in every way.
    We just saw an article here a day or so by the paid Chineses propagandist Pepe La Phew about how the wonderful BRIC countries are now organising their own payment system , they are soo marvellous darling and we should all bow to the magnificence.
    So what is going on here , the focus of the stories remains so narrow and skewed , same old-same old , almost like an obsession with preserving a specific narrative by ignoring any story that might contradict it , just like the MSM does!

    #122481
    kultsommer
    Participant

    Here we go again. Dr Rand Paul on Fauci.
    The greatest “blunder” and “misjudgment” used over and over.
    Now and in this case, I think that any other wording could put Rand into “conspiratorial bundle” that his position does not allow so he is using a calculated approach.

    #122482
    Redneck
    Participant

    #122483
    Redneck
    Participant

    I guess America is different to China, Chinese are immigrating to America , I don’t think Americans are immigrating to China though.

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