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    Edward Hopper Hotel by a railroad 1952   • Colorado Supreme Court Disqualifies Trump From 2024 Ballot (ZH) • This Is What An *Actual* Attack On D
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle December 20 2023]

    #148838
    boilingfrog
    Participant

    The photo of Von der Leyen and whoever are just a few brush strokes of make-up away from looking like the clownish government “leaders” from the capital city Pan (great choice of name by the author, btw) in The Hunger Games.

    Perfect photo to accompany MacGregor

    #148839
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Happy Winter Solstice…
    The first day of winter in the Northern Hemisphere is marked by the winter solstice, which occurs on Thursday, December 21, 2023, at 10:27 P.M. EST.

    #148840
    kultsommer
    Participant

    From yesterday.
    John Day posts X-clip with

    Pfizer completes $43 Billion acquisition of Seagen on Dec.14, 2023 – becomes largest oncology company to treat most TURBO CANCERS caused by mRNA Vaccines – deep dive into the sinister aspects of this very bizarre deal.

    Bit after, Veracious Poet comes with:

    Maybe there’s hope, after all…

    Chick broke with her boyfriend of 5 years, world shattering moment, after finding out that he is a commie!

    Hoooh, thanks God!

    #148841
    Red
    Participant

    Neil Ferguson is a cunt of high order.

    The Club of Rome and the Rise of the “Predictive Modelling” Mafia
    While many are now familiar with the manipulation of predictive modelling during the COVID-19 crisis, a network of powerful Malthusians have used the same tactics for the better part of the last century in order to sell and impose their agenda………………………..

    Neil Ferguson’s Sleight of Hand
    In May 2020, Imperial College’s Neil Ferguson was forced to resign from his post as the head of the UK’s Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE). The public reason given was Neil’s sexual escapades with a married woman during a draconian lockdown in the UK at the height of the first wave of hysterics. Neil should have also been removed from all his positions at the UN, WHO and Imperial College (most of which he continues to hold) and probably jailed for his role in knowingly committing fraud for two decades.

    After all, Neil was not only personally responsible for the lockdowns that were imposed onto the people of the UK, Canada, much of Europe and the USA2, but as the world’s most celebrated mathematical modeller, he had been the innovator of models used to justify crisis management and pandemic forecasting since at least December 2000.

    It was at this time that Neil joined Imperial College after spending years at Oxford. He soon found himself advising the UK government on the new “foot and mouth” outbreak of 2001.

    Neil went to work producing statistical models extrapolating linear trend lines into the future and came to the conclusion that over 150,000 people would be dead by the disease unless 11 million sheep and cattle were killed. Farms were promptly decimated by government decree and Neil was awarded an Order of the British Empire for his service to the cause by creating scarcity through a manufactured health crisis.

    In 2002, Neil used his mathematical models to predict that 50,000 people would die of Mad Cow Disease which ended up seeing a total of only 177 deaths.

    In 2005, Neil again aimed for the sky and predicted 150 million

    The Club of Rome and the Rise of the “Predictive Modelling” Mafia

    #148842
    Just Some Randomer
    Participant

    @ Red – Quite so. I reckon that Neil Ferguson has personally cost the UK more than any other private individual in history. His constant statistical Chicken Little-ing of everything from BSE (Oh yes – he was responsible for that catastrophe too) to Foot and Mouth disease and then to Covid has cost the country many, many, many tens of billions of pounds.

    And after having been demonstrably, unequivocally and catastrophically wrong in his recommendations for handling the BSE and F&M situations, who does the Govt turn to for advice on how to handle Covid? Ferguson the serial catastrophist of course! It’s just unbelievable. It truly is.

    Unless, of course, they were specifically looking for someone in a white lab coat who would be willing to appear in the media and confidently declare Covid to be an incipient catastrophe ‘According to my ever-so-scientific modeling’. Hmmm.

    How he is not in jail, or even just simply shunned and ridiculed by his professional peers I simply do not understand.

    #148843
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    Vindman and Ciaramella are shitty assed little boys in somewhat passable adult Male bodies.
    I guess they sensed the winds of change blowing.

    #148844
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    @kultsommer

    Guess that your sense of humor is about as keen as your take on real reality 😐

    So, instead of deciding to stop caring about any-thing, I’m going to try to either find the humor and/or the art in the nonstop barrage of Clown World lunacy & just all around terribleness…

    Day One:

    #148845
    kultsommer
    Participant

    Cashew of Pirangi photo.
    Aside from the majestic tree, worth noticing is triangular plot right above it. From what I can see given the open paths between the structures, it contains shops and small businesses. Absence of a large parking lot to serve it and very little car accommodations elsewhere on the photo tells me that those people are “preped”, living low key and in better position than “homeless living in the car” that is becoming a feature lifestyle to stay in here..
    But………..Boo-hoo, poor slobs living in 15 minute city.

    #148846
    kultsommer
    Participant

    @ VP
    Blah…blah…………
    Me:
    Oh-oh.

    #148847
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    Vindman and Ciaramella are shitty assed little boys in somewhat passable adult Male bodies.
    I guess they sensed the winds of change blowing.
    At what point do you think Erick C. and Aleksandr V. recognized the monsters for whom those two schmucks were currying favor thought about killing those two boy-men and that monster’s contemplation came about with the same thoughtfulness as any human takes to muster a burp or fart?
    That is to say none.

    #148848
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    Weird.
    My post posted before my post.

    #148849
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    Imagine, If You Will, an America where video of the sitting U$ President’s crack addicted son are so degenerate, so blatantly dishonest & traitorous, that neither the Executive, Legislative nor the Judicial Branches of government have the balls to hold him accountable:

    Woe unto them that call treason bad, and bad treason; that put foreign influence for domestic, and domestic influence for foreign; that put profit for payola, and payola for profit!

    #148850
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Blackmail part down further probably worth reading.

    EU to Permanently Shut Down X”

    Hahahahaha! You mean, “Shut down X in the EU states.” and “If you’re not on a $5 proxy server.” Sold! So the EU is building their Berlin Wall, their Iron Curtain, to transform themselves into the wonders that are North Korea, as the NY Times was cooing over. Okay then! Suit yourself!

    Same with MacGregor: “We don’t know who we are as a country.” Oh yes. We do. There is only the tiniest slice, amplified by the media that disagrees with the same essential vision of Americans, which is also the same vision we’ve always had: Leave Me Alone. These are the same creeps and dingbats who supported Eugenics that not only loved the WWII genocides, they actually were the intellectual creators and promoters of it. You think HITLER created that? Oh heavens no! Oxford and Harvard “created” Eugenics, they’re the ones who mainstreamed it, made it the Must-have Progressive Answer-to-all-problems. You think Goebbels created the Propaganda? Oh heck no: the AMERICANS created that, he feverishly followed all their books from Bernays and Madison Avenue, the new “Science” of persuasion, of technocratic elite TELLING the idiot Democracy how to vote right.

    They are the ones who sold out Britain to the war, hating their own nation as the continent armed, then, when it turned out the common John Bull was totally, totally correct on this, never apologized, took no hits for it, then sent Jimmy Bull to die in Belgium while Oxford stayed home “thinking” about it with war planners. Then they wrote the history books.

    No, except for the same tiny, wrong, murdering, oblivious, idiotic slice of College professors, students still too dumb to know better having been raised from milk by the same murdering, idiot teachers and professors, war profiteers, a bribed Congress, and a cowardly, lying media, all Americans are on the exact same page. Ask? Ask Black and Latino communities what they think of unrestrained immigration. Ask them what they think of turning their kids gay in school by any possible means. Ask the Somali and Muslim populations who had a school board RIOT over this in Michigan. And elsewhere. Ask the stats if you want: there is only ONE group that actually aligns with the supposed narrative we all supposedly want according to the media: White, Liberal Women. The AWFLs. And you can guess, although it’s not very flattering to them, that since they are the sole demographic that hates and wants to destroy themselves, it’s far more likely they’re just weak minded and easily influenced. That is, if you shut off the media and the ad campaigns, they would return to a normal state too.

    No. We all agree. Or way, way over any reasonable voting demographic agrees, 70-80%. They’re just lying, and refuse to concede to the dominant force.

    Doing the #Opposite of what the People want: that’s how you know it’s a “Democracy.”

    Trump: Kept Papers that he also declassified. That is to say, they are now LEGAL papers. The Secret State claims only THEY can classify/declassify things, but me no think that’s what the Constitution says. In fact, they expressly CANNOT. As we see: I guess when know who is running things around here, or THINKS they do. Mr. President: DO WHAT YOU’RE TOLD.

    “Colorado Saves Democracy by Not Allowing People to Vote for Preferred Candidate” – Bbee

    So we now have a one-Party race. Democracy!

    As some have pointed out, um, Trump hasn’t even been charged. Even IF he were charged with insurrection, wouldn’t he have to be convicted??? And even if he WAS convicted, that’s not what the Amendment was written for – and that was before it was reversed a few years later – so wouldn’t THAT also have to go to the Supreme Court?

    Nope. I don’t like him, so I’m voting for you! Listen to your betters. Know your place.

    PS, so the DEMOCRATS now get to decide who is on the REPUBLICAN ballot? Yup. Great! So now we Republicans can get to decide who is going to be on the DEMOCRATIC ballot, right? ‘Cause I choose Joe Biden. Oh, wait…

    ““If he defeats Biden, he “would likely install loyalists in key positions in the Pentagon, State Department and CIA whose primary allegiance would be to him..”

    Um, as opposed to what? He is required to install TRAITORS to his cause in all the key positions instead? WTF kind of sense does that make? OF COURSE he gets to install who he wants, and if anyone’s forgotten, a sizable number of those guys ARE APPROVED BY CONGRESS. That means he DOESN’T “get to install” them. You, sir, are just “Making s—t up!” This is called “To the victor belong the spoils” and I think it was settled under President Madison. You know, about 1820, two Hunned years ago.

    So “Trump” is going to defund Ukraine? I’m sorry, since when is the President so powerful? Did YOU, the media, the Derp State, over many decades instill any and ALL power SOLELY into the Presidency? Like Justice Roberts claims which is why he was installed by Bush?

    Suppose Congress DECLARES WAR – shocking, I know – and then using their power, funds and passes laws ABOUT the Ukraine war that the President – as the Chief Executor – must “Execute”? Yes, if he does not, you can impeach him quite shortly.

    In other words, What the Actual F– are you talking about?????????? What the F– kind of Law and social, governmental studies did any of you 1,000 guys study since the 4th Grade? Did you all go to Harvard to be this retarded????

    Inexplicable. Speechless. Okay, go on… Please DO TELL me all about it. I’m enraptured.

    Carrying on: the Baltics, Um, guys? TRUMP EMBARGOED THE F— OUT OF RUSSIA. The whole four years. Trump supplied ENDLESS weapons, anything they wanted, the whole four years. Trump was sitting there when they were funding, training, converting 400,000 Ukrainian troops – Nazis and all – and approved every dollar, every line, every bullet with great enthusiasm and no restraint.

    But now…What? The? F—? You think with no change, no statement, no nada nyet nuttin’ he’s suddenly, for no reason, just going to do the #OPPOSITE of everything he’s ever done, every second, every minute he was in office.

    YOU ARE MENTALLY ILL!!!!!!! You are just MAKING IT ALL UP, IN YOUR FEVERED HEADS!!!!!

    Where do they even GET this stuff??? AND the media? AND you and me, I guess, since we were mildly on board with the root concept?

    PS. BIDEN is the one who took $1 Million dollars from Moscow. BILL CLINTON took $1 MILLION dollars from Moscow, for speaking fees. Hillary CLINTON took $1 MILLION dollars from Moscow to cut off our energy security with Uranium One. Trump is the one who was investigated and did NOT take $1 MILLION dollars from Putin that anyone, anywhere could find. I guess he’s the only one who hasn’t, and that was the problem?

    Jesus on a popsicle stick.

    “We Are Well Beyond Hypocrisy (Victor Davis Hanson)

    The Left are hypocrites? No, what? Really???

    “US Escalation in the Red Sea – A Lose/Lose Proposition (Bentley)

    Clearly the West intended to attack Egypt in several ways, especially by pushing out all 2 Million refugees on them. I guess Israel runs Egypt too? Why not? They think they’re the boss of everywhere else. Anyway, the BRIICS easily went around them in 30 seconds, avoiding Iran as a target, and Egypt as a target, and supporting Yemen, who is already flattened, has nothing taller than a mud hut, and is pissed with good cause at the same people. So…what’s yer plan, man? Hit a camel in the butt? Israel had you all set up to attack and lose to Iran, sinking more of our ships, which they’re good at. They desperately need us to print money, go bankrupt, and collapse as they are the same crew as runs Europe and Davos. But we’re NOT attacking Iran? We ALREADY lost all Africa, including Sudan on the Red Sea shores, and aren’t set up to attack Egypt and for why?

    And all this demonstrates your utter powerlessness, pointlessness, and increases your inflation costs ever more. In Europe. Don’t think OUR goods go through the Suez, we sure don’t care! WE have the oil, and WE get our goods from China. Off Long Beach. What’s Suez to us? Nope. This is all Europe, Davos, K-Pop again.

    Anyway, Okie-dokey then. You do you. Those fleets were already pointless 10 years ago, thanks for scuttling them for us and save the trouble. Then we can all come home, which is where we want to be in the first place! It will end the Empire and put America First? Oh noes!

    “Ukrainians Tell MP They Would Give Up Citizenship To Avoid Conscription (RT)

    Ze raises 400,000 men in new conscription. Okaaaayyyy…. Military Summary simply presumes this is possible and plausible. Okaaaayyyy. Fine, it’s generous to say so when he can still say it will make no difference. Fine. But it isn’t, at all, and that’s relevant.

    Because “Time Exists”, it takes weeks – weeks to find them, get them, bus them – then more weeks to train them, even at some kind of cannon fodder minimum. What is that, then, February-March? Yeah, AND??? Look guys, because “Time Exists” there’s no magic “Matrix” download machine to give you Kung-Fu skills. For the love of God. To have them be anything competent, it will take a year? You’re already grabbing people acutely unsuited to war because if they were at all normal and interested, they’d have been conscripted and dead already.

    Okay? Suppose they put them out in March, you know, normal “we barely train” time. So? They might as well not have bothered. They’re going to be more in the way, more dangerous, more useless than no men at all. You’re just wasting gas to transport them to run into a minefield like Life of Brian’s “Palestine Suicide Squad”. Okay, suppose you get them there, in March, and somehow, you overlooked that OTHER Ukraine, and get 20,000 macho 20-year-old crack shots. Which you can’t. So?

    THERE ARE NO SHELLS OR BULLETS for them to use. Already. Now in December. Ukraine has said so, and the rate of fire, never very good, is now down to 20 or 50:1? That is, Russia fires 50 shells for every Ukrainian one?

    What do you think is happening here? Why are you bothering? Knock it off.

    Okay, so back to this story: 75% of the 400,000 Ze demands won’t go. He then has 100k, of which he is losing 20,000 a month, so maybe 60k when they arrive? On a 1,000km contact line or 60 men per mile? Be still my heart.

    Bad at math: not just for Liberals anymore. Nothing in this Swentr.site.ru is plausible.

    “which is the extent to which so many platforms are willing to do the bidding of the corporatist system in order to serve the bottom line.”

    A bit here: the “Corporatist” system? Um, that’s not a system of corporations. That’s a system OPRESSING and COMMANDING corporations. In other words, corporations aren’t oppressing themselves, you know! The only “Oppressor” we-dare-not-name is the “Government.” That is, to NORMAL people, who there seem ever fewer of, when GOVERNMENT says “Obey or I will use all means of government legal or illegal to jail, bankrupt, destroy you” NORMAL people would conclude from this statement that the GOVERNMENT is the problem. Not “Corporatists”. Government is the shark, and corporations are their prey. Not the other way around, according to this example.

    Now technically they’re correct since “Corporatists” means “Fascism.” Corporations who RESIST a full merger of Corporation INTO state – Where “the State Controls the Means of Production” – ARE going to be destroyed, ruined, brought to heel by said Fascist State. That’s what “Fascist” means.

    Now are they “Serving their bottom line”? Um, what? “Bottom Line” generally means “Capitalism”, again. Like, they are cutting corners to increase profits to get a lesser product or not share profits with workers, blah blah. This isn’t “Profits”. This is a DIRECT, VIOLENT, LEGAL ATTACK, BY the Government, ON the Corporation. Whatever else they may be, the corporation is the sole victim in this example, and they’re not trying to “Increase profits”, they’re attempting to not be illegally shut down and arrested by a illegal, tyrannical State.

    …Yet they feel compelled to phrase it in the way that makes it seem CORPORATIONS are to blame? “Profit seekers”? Why? …Oh, I dunno, trained from birth by a socialist school system, now 40 years inside a glass house that sees all events through the lens of Marxism? Never talked to a single human being who WASN’T also raised and subsumed by that same religion? So that even as Government takes the “Means of Production” which should be a GOOD thing from their perspective they can report it as bad, but also good, but also bad, but also their own fault? What would be odd is if anyone, any reporter DIDN’T see and report it this way, but reported instead clearly and accurately.

    BTW all those examples aren’t Elon being “Blackmailed by MONEY”, but are direct attacks by GOVERNMENT, ASIDE from all money. Ignoring money. Refusing money. And following their partisan dogma instead. What they say are #SocialJustice, that is, popularity, being with the Cool Girlz, the #Opposite of #Profit and #Money.

    Only Government can do that, because only Government can MAKE you do what you don’t want to, using raw violence. Handing over money is usually a voluntary exchange.

    “• Media Matters Sues Texas AG in Federal Court (ET)

    This seems very odd. The government is also suing Musk, can Musk sue the government for suing him? Maybe they should be able to, but I think in 200 years of looking, this never happens, right? If it did, we would always sue the policeman the minute he writes us a ticket, wouldn’t we?

    Okay man, you do you. It’s well known “You can’t sue government.” By which they mean: you always, always lose.

    “..9/11, which was blamed without any evidence on Muslim terrorists”

    Er…not sure? The story almost everyone agrees on is that Muslims WERE on those planes. They were there. The planes were there. So it’s not like “No evidence.” Not sure you’re sounding reasonable and winning minds here. The question is “How?” and “Who were they working for?”

    “The watchlist is a way of preparing Americans for tyranny.”

    Yeah, if we don’t watch out, there might be tyranny here. Like the Supreme Court deciding elections, and most Executive agencies ignoring all Congressional and Court orders as routine.

    “US Judge Orders More than 170 Jeffrey Epstein Associates to Be Named (BBC)

    As Luongo says: Why am I seeing this? Why now? We knew all the names in 1994 when Bill flew with him and it was on TV. But nobody knewd 30 years later? What are you up to?

    Speaking of, I was going back to root principles here. We know for a fact this is a blackmail operation, and all/most of Congress is it on it, along with Governors, Directors, CEOs, what not. We knew that with J EDGAR HOOVER for Chissake. But: suppose YOU were President, and as President, YOU can read all the classified 5-star files on all these guys. Or pull them from Comey’s Safe. That is to say YOU have the blackmail files.

    What do you do?

    Here’s your problem in Game Theory, YOU having the files is only YOU. That is, the OTHER GUYS STILL HAVE THEM TOO. So you didn’t STOP the blackmail, you only expanded it to both sides. What do you do? Take out all the Blackmaileeeeees? 9/10ths of Congress and 5 Supreme Court Judges? What good does that do?

    Okay, suppose you stand up, say “Aha! I’ve got you!!! Vote Consitutional/Libertarian from now on, OR ELSE!!!” Uh, no, they will just retire, be taken out by the other side, AND they will KNOW you have “The Files”. This is Intel 101: if you find a mole, DON’T ARREST HIM. For the love of God. FEED HIM. Feed him garbage, and the garbage has to be plausible to his handlers. Arresting him just means everyone will know and they’ll find another mole.

    All that to say this: There is only one way to use the blackmail files Trump got when he got Top Secret clearance even the FIBI couldn’t tell if he was accessing or not. YOU HAVE TO BLACKMAIL EVERYONE TO DO MORE of what they were doing. Too Much. Too Far. Too Fast. To the Black Hats then, it is completely plausible that they did it on their own. That the blackmailers you grew up with are giving them the same orders as last year, only harder. The Blackmailee doesn’t need to know either. Senator Blowhard just gets orders saying Impeach Trump, Defend Biden, arm Ukraine. The same as usual from the same people. What’s to argue with? Everyone’s on the Same “Plan.” “Even if The Plan is Horrifying!” — The Joker.

    So WHY? What do you get out of it? Exposure. Exactly as we see all over now. Everyone stands up and says “Literally. These people are NUTS.” “This Plan I didn’t believe but they REALLY ARE (insert here) nuclear war, sex with children, destroy all Americans, etc.” I thought all that was some sort of Conspiracy Theory, but HERE THEY ARE doing it, ” faster than the Babylon Bee can keep up.

    And then what? Well, one other thing. You’re also IN CONTROL. Suppose you let them do this naturally and DIDN’T have the co-blackmail files Davos and Soros also have. They could push the button on WWIII. BUT THEY CAN’T. YOU have the blackmail, and if need be, IF you’re willing to expose yourself, YOU have the failsafe. You will remove whoever tries to nuke/pandemic and take them off the board. So they are EXPOSED, but SAFELY. Ukraine is in a war, but SAFELY.

    …Or as “safely” as possible. It’s still very dangerous, just less so than the other options. All the Black Hats are looking at each other going, “Are YOU working for them? You’ve been acting weird lately.” The guy is like “I don’t THINK so. Are YOU working for them?” No, we’re still doing all the bad destroy-all-humanity stuff, the Right is still being hammered everywhere, I don’t THINK we can we compromised.” — Look at each other — “Then WHY is everything going like this???” Ha. Ha. Hearty. Ha.

    The White Hats can’t ADMIT they are demanding we kill 500,000 Slavs, run inflation up to 20%, and bankrupt the nation using the blackmail THEY hold. The people wouldn’t get it, they wouldn’t get that this BETTER than the FEMA alternative they had set up for us. Losing 120k/year to Pfizer is fraction of the 1.2 MILLION a year Deagle had planned. People die in wars. Better they don’t know, and that’s true of the Intel planners of all wars. YOU decide: you want to run 1,000 men up Hill 169? Which is only a feint and certain death to conquer nearby Port #22? You don’t wanna know. Go stuff your head in a bucket and forget about it, pretend this isn’t how it works. But it does. And we all know it, we just look away and whine.

    Blackmail. Epstein. We all know it’s there. Why now? Timing. They’ve gotten most what they could get out of it.

    ““..what will likely be his last appeal against being extradited..”

    Assange needs to testify under oath before Congress about Epstein and other fascinating, riveting topics that he can tell the American people about and CSPAN won’t be able to repress. Why would this not be good?

    Boys, I had a revelation: According to the world’s top leaders, the cure for Global Warming is to buy and fly more jets! So simple! The more the earth is in crisis, the more private jets they fly to more locations. Clearly that is the only conclusion, the only answer to their behavior. Save the Earth! Book your jet today!

    #148851
    kultsommer
    Participant

    Art today.
    In many of his paintings Hopper feature, still, sexually attractive women but those assets hardly gets utilized – either by them being alone or by the presence of a unsuitable partner, like in this one. People in his work exist as in some Kafkaesque world of detachment and loneliness.

    #148852
    zerosum
    Participant

    DEMOCRACY – KING OF THE HILL – Peacefull transfer of power
    Opinions – And you thought things were crazy before…

    • Colorado Supreme Court Disqualifies Trump From 2024 Ballot (ZH)
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    • This Is What An *Actual* Attack On Democracy Looks Like (Ramaswamy)
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    • The Colorado Supreme Court 4-3 Decision Is Pure Nonsense (CTH)
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    • Trump Could Leave NATO – Reuters (RT)
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    • We Are Well Beyond Hypocrisy (Victor Davis Hanson)
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    #148854
    zerosum
    Participant

    (My computer is acting up and trying to prevent my posting the following)

    Think about it

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20231219/us-escalation-in-the-red-sea–a-loselose-proposition–1115679933.html
    US Escalation in the Red Sea – A Lose/Lose Proposition

    To any who might scoff at the idea of a rebel army in an impoverished 3rd world country being able to take on the US military, I would simply remind them of the fact that the US has failed to achieve any meaningful victory in any of the wars it has started over the last 30 years.
    The choice is clear – either end the Palestinian tragedy, or unleash a global catastrophe of unimaginable proportions. The US government has announced its ill-advised decision to choose the latter option. It is up to all good people in the world, and US citizens in particular, to prevent this global and suicidal miscalculation from taking place, or suffer the consequences.
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    #148855
    zerosum
    Participant

    https://english.almanar.com.lb/2004323
    Yemen Warns of Sea Showdown: We Will Turn Red Sea into a Graveyard in Response to US-led Coalition

    Yemen’s defense minister issued a stern warning to the US and its allies on Monday, vowing to turn the Red Sea into a “graveyard” if the newly formed maritime task force takes any action against Yemen. Major General Mohammad al-Atifi cautioned that the Yemeni Armed Forces possess the capabilities to sink warships, submarines, and aircraft carriers of the US-led coalition.

    This warning comes in response to the Pentagon’s announcement of a coalition, which includes Bahrain, Canada, France, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Seychelles, Spain, and the UK, to patrol the Red Sea following Yemeni strikes on ships bound for Israeli-occupied territories. In retaliation for Israel’s attacks on the Gaza Strip, Yemen targeted ships heading towards Israeli ports, prompting the formation of the coalition.

    Yemen’s Ansarullah resistance movement also pledged to confront the US-led coalition, emphasizing that any aggression against Yemen will result in military and prestige defeat for Washington. While stressing their commitment to safe navigation at sea, they made it clear that their actions are only directed against the interests of the Zionist regime and vowed to confront any coalition created by the US in the Red Sea.

    “The Yemeni Armed Forces have painful options, which they will employ in response to any act of aggression against their homeland. We only target ships that are either Israeli-owned or heading towards Israeli ports,” said Mohammed al-Bukhaiti, a member of Ansarullah’s political bureau.

    BP halts oil, gas shipments through Red Sea

    Furthermore, the British oil and gas giant has halted all shipments of energy through the Red Sea after an increase in attacks on Israel-bound ships by the Yemeni Armed Forces in Yemen, including two further strikes on Monday.

    BP said it had paused shipping in the region indefinitely, citing a “deteriorating security situation” amid tensions in the aftermath of the ongoing Israeli war on Gaza.

    Source: Agencies and Al-Manar English Website

    #148856
    John Day
    Participant

    @Zerosum: Let’s see if this link works: https://sputnikglobe.com/amp/20231219/us-escalation-in-the-red-sea–a-loselose-proposition–1115679933.html

    Nope, no good, even though I looked it up via google, and it was live. When I post it here it is a “404”.
    Different “rules” apply on the internet in different “places”.

    #148857
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    #148858
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    Dr D
    Yet they feel compelled to phrase it in the way that makes it seem CORPORATIONS are to blame? “Profit seekers”? Why? …Oh, I dunno, trained from birth by a socialist school system, now 40 years inside a glass house that sees all events through the lens of Marxism?

    Interesting…
    I was raised in a conservative household that revered Reagan and distrusted government. I never lost that perspective (and it served me well through the Covid debacle.). As a child I recognized the falsity of advertising, and this was the germ that sprouted into my distrust of corporations. That distrust caused me to not dismiss Marx out of hand, but rather to be interested in his analysis. For over 20 years I have owned a tiny corporation, involved in the running of a business and I have been an employer for a few brief stints. For over a decade I have had to rely on assistance of various sorts, including food stamps and Medicaid, and aid from friends and family, in order to provide sufficiently for my children, as their father turned out to be a selfish a—hole and I was not prepared to support them on my own.

    I disagree with you…it isn’t that “government is categorically bad” nor that “corporations are categorically evil.” Neither are religions, churches, non-profits, schools (whatever the flavor,) nor other groups fundamentally evil. The problems arise from human organizations that become bloated and powerful, losing touch with the individuals that comprise them or that interface with them, and becoming the tools of humans who are egotistical, out-of-touch with others and/or suffer from behaviors that we often label as “cluster B” or related mental maladies. This could be rephrased into more traditional terms by saying that these organizations have lost touch with Christian values, that their leaders and supporters are corrupt.

    Coming to this realization has caused my respect for the US framers of the Constitution to increase, as I realized that they fundamentally understood this and were trying to create a system of government that would resist this inclination towards corruption and tyranny. It didn’t work. That does not mean that their undertaking was not without merit. It does suggest that any human organization is susceptible to corruption, and that we must be vigilant to resist it, and to make adjustments to our organizations to reduce this corruption.

    #148859
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    Art
    Hopper seems to see people as if they were still-life fruit on a table. It is an interesting perspective.

    #148860
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    Just look at what the United States and Zionist Israel are doing to the entire people of Gaza. Just look. It is almost beyond belief. In fact for many people it actually IS beyond their capacity to believe. The United States and Zionist Israel are intentionally and purposefully murdering thousands of men, women, children and infants in the most violent and demeaning ways possible. Exterminating human beings.

    But why?

    I’ll tell you why. Because the Gazans refuse to follow orders, that’s why. They refuse, for example, the order to stand by and do nothing as armed invaders slaughter the population, force them off their historic homeland and take absolutely everything that they possess, including their very lives and all hope of a satisfactory future.

    That refusal to be voluntarily stripped of every human right, without protest, is the only crime that the Gazans have committed. Insubordination to criminally illegal orders from illegitimately self-proclaimed rulers.

    That’s what the US and Israel ordered the Gazans to do, and when the Gazans refused to comply then the US and Israel set about physically carrying out the threat of killing and/or displacing every single one of them. Might makes right, right? But the US and Israel don’t give a damn about right. They consider that since they have the might then rightness, humanity, common decency and even truth itself simply don’t reckon into the computation.

    That is the Globalist/Cabalist/Zionist/Marxist (call them whatever you want) way of doing business. So look very carefully at what the United States and Zionist Israel are doing to the entire people of Gaza. Just look. Carefully, because that is exactly what they have in mind for doing to YOU if you don’t follow their orders.

    #148861
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Just a glimpse

    Happy Holidays

    If the Satanic Globalists were insane eye doctors and humanity were Sheeple patients

    They always tell you what they are going to do to you but Sheeple don’t read the fine print

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    #148862
    Oroboros
    Participant

    The Medical Industrial Mafia Complex

    Every bit as blood thirsty as the Military Industrial Mafia Complex

    Both have the same Motto:

    Do Harm

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    #148863
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @DrDRich

    Weird.
    My post posted before my post.”

    I’ve started a small notebook to record small glitches in the Matrix. The plan is that it will either lead me to unlocking secrets of the Universe or serve as material evidence in my competency hearing. Win-Win.

    #148864
    WES
    Participant

    In that picture of “bad” oils, I notice “olive” oil is missing!
    Why?
    Is “olive” oil a “good” oil?

    Ukrainian Nazis have run out of willing volunteers.
    Now the Nazis only have unwilling volunteers.
    This means the Nazis have to work much harder to force these new unwilling volunteers to die.
    With fewer and fewer Nazis left, the remaining Nazis each have to work much harder.
    At some point the remaining Nazis will exhaust themselves trying to force the unwilling to die.

    In the beginning, one Nazi could get more than one Ukrainian to die.(1 > 1)
    Now, one Nazi can’t get more than one Ukrainian to die. (1 < 1)
    Nazis are beginning to force other Nazis to die. (1 << 1)
    The war will end once the Nazis approach zero Nazis and Ukrainians willing to die. (1 = 0)

    Ukrainian women supported the war. (First they came for the men.)
    Now they come for the women. ( . )

    #148865
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    @Red

    Well at least Fauci et al’s 25 million for COVID, unrealized, is still less than 150 million.
    Can the stats guys verify that?
    Perhaps a consultation with Nassem Taleb is in order, again.

    I’d offer a note of caution about Neil Ferguson’s inaccurate targeting of Mad Cow Disease mortality whatever the progression from 150 million to 50,000 to 177 deaths. If there isn’t the will or money to study, surveil or test there won’t be any accurate accounting of disease burden.
    Something similar is afoot in these United States with regard to Lyme, other tick borne diseases and an association with dementia, specifically Alzheimer’s dementia. The implications are on par with the dimensions of the ongoing COVID nightmare.

    #148866
    morongobill
    Participant

    Re: Yemen vs the Coalition navies gathering in thee Red Sea area.

    The other day I commented on another site that I hoped Yemen wouldn’t waste their antishop missiles(the newer ones) on container ships, but instead use the missiles on naval capital ships.

    Looks like they are about to do just that.

    #148867
    Just Some Randomer
    Participant

    @ WES – Is “olive” oil a “good” oil?

    Yes it is. Olive Oil is simply pressed from Olives – just like the Romans did. No chemicals or processing factories required.

    #148868
    John Day
    Participant

    High Water Mark https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/high-water-mark

    The Ethical Skeptic presents: Hidden in Plain Sight , in which he carefully makes the case that only ocean waves above a sea level about 330 feet higher than the base of the Khafre Pyramid could have caused the peculiar erosion effects, which have never been adequately explained, and which hypothetical “explanations” he refutes. His arguments are based upon structural engineering, different erosion characteristics of different kinds of limestone, and the wave-height characteristics of the oceanic surface.
    What is not explained is how and when the ocean would have been flooded to the requisite height, nor does he pretend to know how old the pyramids are, though he makes the case that their construction was human, and how it would have been done, which other humans have also done in history at smaller scales.

    Hidden in Plain Sight

    #148869
    John Day
    Participant

    Ben Davidson explains the hypothesis that our earth shifts rotational axis from time to time, based on the 12,000 year recurrent cycle of the rotating galactic-current-sheet wave within our Milky Way Galaxy. This causes huge sloshes and shifts of the oceans. The Earth Turns Over | Advanced Catastrophism

    THE NEXT DISASTER | Part 2 – Applied Galactic Astrophysics​explains the workings of the galactic-current-sheet upon our terrestrial and solar ​electro-magnetic​ relationships.

    THE NEXT DISASTER | Part 1 – Ice, Fire, Magnetism​ looks at what changes take place on the planet when magnetic and rotational axis resets are induced.

    THE NEXT DISASTER | Part 3 – When Will it Happen?​ (2040ish?)

    #148870
    John Day
    Participant

    Dima, at Military Summary Channel, opens with the case, presented at the command-level in Russia, that Ukraine has spent its credit-line, that which it can reasonably be able to service in the longer term, which is the fundamental reason that western funding, essentially war-loans, is drying up. This is the banker’s approach to wars.
    I see the potential counter-attack to the western/global financial regime (Russia’s “real adversary”, I believe) as being that the “Ukraine” will cease to exist as such, and all debt claims will be repudiated as “odious debt”, by whatever political entities arise to replace “Ukraine”, one of which is already Russia. The massive debts will be defaulted on, and the collateral, the lands, factories and people of Ukraine, will not be seized, because the “Ukraine” as a party will have ceased to exist, and foreclosure will not be possible against Russia and allied states. This will be another factor to hasten the collapse of the global $US financial regime.
    Also, Dima says that Commander of Ukrainian Forces, General Zaluzhny, has said that the army needs 500,000 more soldiers. Zelensky balked, but seems to be accepting that today. However, it is politically impossible to carry out, so Catch-22 for the Zelensky puppet-regime…
    ​ Ukraine’s Losses Are 383K Soldiers And 203 Billion Dollars. Military Summary 2023.12.19

    Ukraine’s Intelligence Chief admits there are no More Troops without “Forced Mobilisation”​ The levels of force are already grossly excessive, and have been all year.

    Ukraine’s Intelligence Chief admits there are no More Troops without “Forced Mobilisation”

    Ukrainians tell MP they would give up citizenship to avoid conscription
    Some 74% of men and 65% of women said they would opt to hand over their passports in Facebook surveys
    https://swentr.site/russia/589300-ukrainians-renounce-citizenship-bezuglaya/

    ​ Scott Ritter , Ukraine – Another Lost US/NATO War With No Regrets
    ​ It is now rapidly losing legitimacy, relevance and credibility in the eyes of most of the world outside US/NATO/EU/ANPO/AUKUS. Firstly, all these imperial militarist adventures have been woefully anti-intellectual and imbued with the arrogance of power, elements of racism and hubris. Secondly, after quite predictable fiascos and defeats – such as in Iraq – there comes a time when propaganda, psychological operations (PSYOPS), media influencing, and psycho-political projection no longer do the trick.
    ​ There comes a time, too, when even the biggest military spender and economy cannot finance its weapons addiction and its arsenals of weapons and ammunition dry up.
    It’s called over-extension and diminishing legitimacy in the eyes of others, it’s called militarism to death and is transforming into imperial decline and eventual fall. No empires have lasted forever and that of the US/NATO world will be the last…
    ​..Weapons depots are becoming emptied, and now, to put it crudely, the Union looks increasingly wobbly politically while undergoing its deepest ever economic crisis. Germany’s economic and political situation looks bleak. The EU area is likely to also be heavily hit by the long-term repercussions of the violence in the Middle East.
    ​ The EU’s helter-skelter knee-jerk reaction to Russia’s military operations in Ukraine prevented any analyses of likely consequences in the short-, mid- and long-term of these measures, which were as ill-considered and irrational as they were drastic. Russia, on the other hand, will get out of this quagmire much better than the EU.
    While the US is comparatively well protected from the negative consequences of its policies, its European allies are not. The burdens on the civilian economy caused by warfare, militarism, tremendous re-armament, and refugee flows – and thereby, depletion of resources urgently needed for European infrastructure, climate change measures and welfare investments – paint a dark picture of the future.
    ​ It will likely become a guns-before-butter society, and future generations will have to pay the bills.
    https://sputnikglobe.com/20231219/ukraine—another-lost-usnato-war-with-no-regrets-1115679845.html

    US national debt jumps $2.6 trillion in six months​ , The overall figure is approaching $34 trillion, according to the Treasury​ How will th​is default be structured?
    https://swentr.site/business/589311-us-national-debt-rise/

    #148871
    John Day
    Participant

    ​ US Escalation in the Red Sea – A Lose/Lose Proposition​ The US ​can los​e its navy and the EU ​can lose fuel and other imports.​ Yemen has the right to interdict war materials.
    ​ The US and UK have moved at least 24 combat ships into the seas off the coast of Yemen, ostensibly “to protect global shipping lanes”. This is a lie. The Houthis have clearly stated that, one, that they are only targeting ships serving Israeli interests, and that all other shipping is under no threat, and two, that they are willing to cease all military operations against Israeli shipping as soon as Israel stops its attacks on Gaza and the West Bank.
    It is ONLY Israeli shipping that is under threat, and it is ONLY Israeli shipping that US and UK naval forces are deployed to protect. But by escalating the situation in the Red Sea, they are putting at risk ALL shipping passing through the Red Sea and Suez Canal, which accounts for 12% of all global trade and 30% of all container shipping, as well as about 8% of world trade in both oil and LNG, for a total annual value of over a trillion US dollars.
    ​ As things stand now, only Israel-linked shipping is at risk, and even that risk can be completely eliminated by the cessation of Israeli attacks on Gaza and the West Bank. But if the US attacks Yemen, the Houthis will respond, and they do have the capability to sink US Navy ships in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden. And once that happens, the Red Sea becomes an active war zone, and then, all bets are off, along with all shipping in the Red Sea, and 12% of all global trade.
    https://sputnikglobe.com/20231219/us-escalation-in-the-red-sea–a-loselose-proposition–1115679933.html

    ​ A $2M missile vs. a $2,000 drone: Pentagon worried over cost of Houthi attacks
    ​ “My guess is the [destroyers] are shooting SM-2s for as long as they can — they are not in [the] business of taking chances on hostile targets getting close,” the former official said.
    ​ Experts also point out that destroyers are limited in how many missiles they can shoot before needing to return to a U.S. weapons pier to reload, and each ship contains 90 or more missile tubes. But with so many destroyers in the region — at least four as of Tuesday — magazine capacity likely won’t be a problem in the near future.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/12/19/missile-drone-pentagon-houthi-attacks-iran-00132480

    ​ Houthis vow to attack US-led Red Sea maritime forces​
    ​ Yemen’s Iran-backed Houthis ​(aka “the Yemeni government”) on Tuesday promised to strike at US-led Red Sea maritime troops if they sought to prevent the militia from implementing its embargo on all Israel-bound ships.
    ​ Mohammed Abdul Sallam, the senior Houthi negotiator, said that the group would continue to block the Red Sea to ships heading to Israel, and would attack any forces that attempted to impede the militia.
    ​ He added on X: “Whoever attempts to escalate the confrontation must pay the consequences of his actions, and America’s coalition is to defend Israel and militarize the sea for no reason, and (this) will not prevent Yemen from continuing its lawful activities in support of Gaza.”
    https://www.arabnews.com/node/2428036/middle-east

    ​ These are not even the Mach-5 Iranian missiles.
    ​ Tel Aviv has decided to deploy four new Sa’ar 6-class corvettes – Magen, Oz, Atzmaut and Nitzachon, built in Germany by German Naval Yards Holdings and ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS). These ships are heavily armed, but Israeli authorities sent them to an area under threat of attack from Yemen’s Houthis.
    ​ The width of the Bab el-Mandeb Strait, through which corvettes are expected to pass and which separates the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden, is only about 26 kilometers at its narrowest. This creates the potential for Yemen’s Houthis to use cruise missiles to attack ships.
    ​ The Houthis have P-15 (P-15U) anti-ship missiles of the Termit complex, the range of which reaches 40 kilometers. Yemen also has coastal missile systems “Rubezh” armed with these missiles.
    ​ History already knows examples of the use of such weapons against Israeli warships. In 1967, the destroyer Eilat was attacked by four missiles and quickly sank.
    https://avia-pro.net/news/husity-gotovy-utopit-chetyre-izrailskih-korveta-sovetskimi-raketami-termit

    #148872
    John Day
    Participant

    An Open Letter to Israelis from Israelis: We Deserve the Truth About October 7
    ​ As Israelis we demand an official commission into the events of October 7. Genocide is being perpetrated in Gaza in the name of Israeli victims and we still do not know who was killed, how they were killed, and who killed them. We demand answers and so should you…
    ..To our fellow Israelis,
    ​ We call to you from the fog of genocide. We grieve and we fret for “our own”, as well as those most of you ignore or regard as “animals.”
    ​ When Israeli military officials began spreading rumors through English-speaking Israeli media about “beheaded babies,” we were immediately struck. We realized our government’s propaganda would not be the same as it was in previous murderous attacks on Gaza.
    ​ While Israel continues churning out images of supposed ‘Hamas buildings’ in the Gaza concentration camp (what isn’t, in Israeli eyes?), to excuse their bombing, Israel’s domestic and international rhetoric now contains something much more akin to Nazi extermination propaganda.
    ​ We know what the purpose of this propaganda is. More than 8,500 indigenous Palestinian children, women, and men have been exterminated – and the number rises as we write. Many are trapped under the rubble of their homes, dying slowly. Others are facing thirst, starvation, and infectious diseases. At the same time, senior Israeli figures, even our president, keep howling that there are ‘no innocent civilians’ in Gaza.​..
    ​..Lastly, the question of who killed some Israeli civilians haunts us. It emerges from several reports that some were killed by the Israeli military. Whether they were caught in the crossfire, or deliberately shot at with tanks or helicopters in order to eliminate Hamas fighters or prevent Hamas from taking more captives, we deserve an answer.
    ​ We demand answers because a genocide is being perpetrated in Gaza in the name of Israeli victims, even though bereaved families are strongly opposed to this vengeful atrocity. We demand answers and so should you.

    An Open Letter to Israelis from Israelis: We Deserve the Truth About October 7

    ​ New Oct 7 Footage Shows Israeli Tank Firing at Settler Homes in Kibbutz Be’eri
    ​ Israel Defense Forces tanks on Oct 7 shelled settler homes full of noncombatants in Kibbutz Be’eri while some 500 IDF soldiers “waited outside doing nothing,” new video obtained by Israel’s Channel 12 reveals.
    https://www.informationliberation.com/?id=64187

    ​ Ex-Israeli hostage: My mother was killed by our army on 7 October
    ​ An Israeli who was released in the recent prisoner swap between the occupation and Hamas said that her mother was killed as a result of the occupation army shooting at the car that was transporting them to Gaza, as they were being taken as prisoners of war on 7 October.
    ​ In an interview broadcast on Israel’s Channel 12 yesterday, she said: “Al-Qassam Brigades fighters put the hostages in a truck on October 7, and Israeli forces opened fire on the vehicle.”
    ​ She added, “My mother, whom I loved very much, died. I was injured in my back, and my brother was injured in his leg.”
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231219-ex-israeli-hostage-my-mother-was-killed-by-our-army-on-7-october/

    ​ A Palestinian baby girl, born 17 days ago during Gaza war, is killed with brother in Israeli strike​ Tears are in my eyes.
    ​ RAFAH, Gaza: She was born amid war, in a hospital with no electricity in a southern Gaza city that has been bombarded daily. Her family named her Al-Amira Aisha — “Princess Aisha.” She didn’t complete her third week before she died, killed in an Israeli airstrike that crushed her family home Tuesday.
    Her extended family was asleep when the strike leveled their apartment building in Rafah before dawn, said Suzan Zoarab, the infant’s grandmother and survivor of the blast. Hospital officials said 27 people were killed, among them Amira and her 2-year old brother, Ahmed.
    “Just 2 weeks old. Her name hadn’t even been registered,” Suzan said, her voice quivering as she spoke from the side of her son’s hospital bed, who was also injured in the blast.​..
    ​..“We found the whole house had collapsed over us,” Suzan said. Rescue workers pulled them and other victims, living and dead, from the wreckage.
    https://www.arabnews.com/node/2428806/middle-east

    ​Normal humans who murder innocent people get “Post Traumatic Stress Disorder”. It is one of the causes. Why is that so hard to understand?
    Israeli organization: Over 10,000 Zionist soldiers suffer from post-traumatic stress disorderThe “Army Disabled Organization” of the Israeli occupation reported on ​ Tuesday that it expects more than 10,000 soldiers to suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder as the occupation continues its aggression against Gaza and launches violent raids.
    ​ Hospitals discharge injured Israeli occupation soldiers faster than required due to the number of injured, according to what the organization announced.
    The organization added that the current war on Gaza “is unlike any previous battles,” as it put it.
    https://en.ypagency.net/313851

    #148873
    John Day
    Participant

    ​ What will The Club do this time to protect their blackmail files?
    US judge orders names of more than 170 Jeffrey Epstein associates to be released
    ​ The names of more than 170 associates of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein could be made public next month after a ruling from a US judge.
    Prince Andrew is expected to be among them, if evidence is released from a woman who claims he groped her in 2001.
    ​ The identities are being revealed under a settled lawsuit against sex trafficker and Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell.
    Anyone on the list has until 1 January to appeal to have their name removed.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67769039

    “Sundance” explains the Colorado Supreme court decision to exclude​ former president Trump from the 2024 ballot, based upon alleged “insurrection”.
    ​ It was a 4-3 decision. Meaning it was the politics of the court, literally the political makeup and perspective therein, that determined the outcome of the decision. This is showcased in point #3, which is the funniest part.​
    The entire framework of the case against Trump in the Colorado decision is predicated on this: “[the complainants] asserted that he was ineligible under Section Three because he engaged in insurrection on January 6, 2021, after swearing an oath as President to support the U.S. Constitution.” [pdf, page 6] REMINDER – President Donald Trump was not charged with “insurrection,” is not accused of “insurrection,” does not fit the complaint under the definitions of “insurrection,” and has never been found guilty of insurrection. The complaint is moot before the court. But hey, it’s Lawfare… and we all know Lawfare is created for public media consumption, so that takes us directly to the biggest point​…
    ​..Wait, what?
    ​ Yes, that’s correct. As long as President Trump appeals the decision to the Supreme Court, the appeals court stays their own ruling – essentially indefinitely. The Colorado primary ballots printed, and the primary election will be over, before the Supreme Court puts this on their docket.
    ​ In addition to the virtual guarantee the high court will overrule this political nonsense, SCOTUS can make the entire issue moot before them by following their own normal schedule for submissions, arguments, deliberation and opinions delivered by the court.
    ​ The Colorado appellate court knows this, that’s why they put this self-stay into their 4-3 ruling. It’s a politically correct way of giving the optics of telling their tribe, ‘hey we’re with you,’ without the ramifications of the political backlash. In other words, psychological lawfare stuff – intended for media consumption.

    The Colorado Supreme Court 4-3 Decision Is Pure Nonsense and Can Be Laughed At, They Even Admit It on Page 9

    #148874
    kultsommer
    Participant

    @WES and others interested.

    The processing of vegetable oil in commercial applications is commonly done by chemical extraction, using solvent extracts, which produces higher yields and is quicker and less expensive. The most common solvent is petroleum-derived hexane.

    As JSR pointed out, olive oil is cold pressed and that’s it. Unrefined coconut.oil too and is solid at the room temperature. Avocado oil is extracted under slightly higher temperature but is still considered cold pressed.
    Lard and real butter are also good for cooking.
    Avoid oils featured above and “I can’t believe it’s a butter”.

    #148875
    kultsommer
    Participant

    ….it’s not butter”

    #148876
    zerosum
    Participant

    Update

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/100-container-ships-diverted-insurance-surges-red-sea-chaos-worsens
    Most Large Container Ships Abandon Red Sea As Key Trade Route Freezes
    Tyler Durden’s Photo
    BY TYLER DURDEN
    WEDNESDAY, DEC 20, 2023 – 11:24 AM
    Update (1424ET):

    Tracking the supply chain mess unfolding across the Red Sea is a post on X showing container ships with 8,000 or more twenty-foot equivalent unit container capacity have mostly diverted from the critical maritime trade route.

    “Every containership over 8,000TEUs, except for one, have turned from the Bab el-Mandeb,” X user Sal Mercogliano wrote.

    #148877
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Nazilensky

    In a cocaine induced hallucination

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