Debt Rattle March 15 2024
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Only the average American, like Benton the Jew, would fall for this sort of placebo nonsense.”
So now you go out of your way to throw insults for no reason whatsoever? Not only unprovoked, but irrelevant to the original comment (by someone other than me) and completely non sequitur because I wasn’t even part of the conversation.
What’s the matter? Picking a fight out of boredom, or just because you’re a nasty piece of work? Have you forgotten your last ass kicking so soon?
Please give that silly waste of effort a rest. I’m too old and occupied with other things to have to raise another obstreperous child.
Blinded and stupefied by Carbon Cult ideology, AFKTT fully merits jb-hb’s overly-tolerant correction. Here’s a summary:
Types of change:
Relative change: If something goes from 1% to 2%, it went up 100%
Absolute change: If something goes from 1% to 2%, it went up 1%
Chump change: conflating relative and absolute change“Chump” is perhaps too kind a description for someone who internalizes the climate-change panic-porn and its consequent follies and corruptions.
WEF’s Food Famine – Increase CO2
Since the WEF intends to deliberately create a food famine, I think it behooves all of us little people to continue to increase the amount of CO2 in the air, in self defense, so we can increase our food production to off-set what the crazies at the WEF want to do to us – starve us to death.
Europe – NATO
If I was European, I would use the current Ukrainian War as an excuse to strip my country’s military of all their current equipment, then never replace this missing equipment because the new equipment is too expensive and doesn’t work very well. That way, the next time US/NATO wants to get Europe involved in another war, my country would have anything to offer.
If I had to spend 2% on my military, then just hire more soldiers but no new arms. If you provide enough extended leaves, so everybody is poorly trained, everybody will want to join!
DBS said
So now you go out of your way to throw insults for no reason whatsoever? Not only unprovoked, but irrelevant to the original comment (by someone other than me) and completely non sequitur because I wasn’t even part of the conversation.
You are such a good victim BtJ, now go back to shaking your cane at the bad people.
That’s AltarBoy to you. I don’t suppose you could take a step or two closer, could you? Knocking some sense into your head isn’t worth getting up from the rocking chair.
jb-hb
I’ll just observe, as anyone watching you is, that you want to represent a change in the atmosphere of 0.000531% as 20%
No one in their right mind expresses the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere as a percent, except when comparing with N2 and O2, i.e. N2 78%,O2 20% Ar etc. 1%.
Scientists use ppm because ppm gives us simple numbers.
For some strange reason* you wish to express 425 ppm as 0.0425 and a typical annual increase of 5 ppm as 0.0005%.
It makes no difference whether we use ppm or percent as long as the methodology of comparison is correct. Doing that we still end up with the same answer: 0.0005/0.0425 x 100 = 1.18% increase, just as 5/425 x 100 = 1.18%
Current atmospheric CO2 levels are just over 1% higher than they were a year ago.
* Arguing for the sake of arguing, rather than arguing to establish truth of have a sensible dialogue.
asnaz has to add an insulting comment ( a kind of addiction, it seems ) since he is also incapable of logical thinking or respectful dialogue.
It will get really interesting when atmospheric CO2 reaches 460 ppm, since that will be TWICE the 800,000-year average of 230 ppm. On the basis of current trends, that will be around 2032.
When atmospheric CO2 is DOUBLE the pre-industrial level, i.e. 560 ppm presumably jb-hb will be describing that as 0.056% or some other equally silly figure.
In practice, jb-hb will not be to apply his anti-mathematical methods since 560 ppm atmospheric CO2 likely won’t be reached until some time around 2045, and the Earth will have been rendered largely or completely uninhabitable for humans by the activities of industrial humans.
That said, by 2045 the electric grid will be down and industrial society will be over as a consequence the squandering of energy up to this point of time that leads to an ever-diminishing supply of diesel etc. in the near future.
By the way, the concentration of methane (an even more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide) in the atmosphere is usually expressed as parts per billion, ppb.
The pre-industrial level in the atmosphere was around 750 ppb.
The current level is around 1900 ppb. That is more than twice the pre-industrial level (and rising fast).
750 ppb is 0.75 ppm or 0.00075%
I guess that jb-hb will try to convince everyone that it is so close to zero as to be equal to zero. Reputable scientists will ague that methane released from permafrost and methane clathrates poses an even greater threat than CO2, since CH4 has the potential to overwhelm the OH radical generation system in the atmosphere.
Ignorance of fairly basic chemistry and physics and ecology, together with greed and stupidity will render the Earth largely or completely uninhabitable for humans in a matter of a few decades at best.
jb-hb
You posted a marxist nihilist manifesto in favor of blowing up. all the hydroelectric dams and destroying all the infrastructure of civilization and said 7 billion dead people would be a good thing
When thinking about industrial civilisation it is useful to remember the following.
1. Our species has existed for around 200,000 years and for 199,800 years out of those 200,000 years did very well without steam engines, internal combustion engines, electricity etc.
2. Industrial Civilisation is inherently doomed to failure because it consumes and converts into waste the very things it needs to exist.
3. The longer Industrial Civilisation persists, the more polluted and inhospitable the Earth becomes.
I have noted some recent articles pointing out that micro-plastics are everywhere, including in the food we eat, and their effects on health are largely unknown. We images of seabirds dead because they ingested plastics, and we see images of turtles with plastics wrapped around their necks or limbs, but micro-plastics are potentially dangerous to most forms of life, humans included.
Many years ago I read a comment in which the commenter described homo sapiens as ‘a plague of greedy apes.’
I am convinced that the peak of human achievement occurred long before I was born and that industrial societies have only a few more years before the combination of depletion of resources and accumulation of pollutants bring the down.
We need only look at what has been happening in Ukraine since 2014 or Gaza since 1947 to recognise there is little hope for our species.
AFKTT said
Scientists use ppm because ppm gives us simple numbers.
Scientists use ppm for vaccums as well; the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is at vacuum levels.
The chimpanzee cage is fun – I’ve missed you AFKTT – but may become boring by tomorrow morning.
AFKTT said
asnaz has to add an insulting comment ( a kind of addiction, it seems ) since he is also incapable of logical thinking or respectful dialogue.
I don’t speak respectable chimp; otherwise known to humans as respectable shit throwing.
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