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    Paul Gauguin Farm in Brittany 1894   • We Are Living Through a Time of Fear (Cook) • Covid: £5,000 Fine For People Going On Holiday Abroad (BBC)
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle March 24 2021]

    #71672
    a kullervo
    Participant

    You were born a slave,
    Slave to the preservation instinct.
    Arguably, slavery entails a life which can be long,
    And that much sought after peaceful end.
    You can only escape slavery through madness.
    Madness is most likely conducive to a brief life
    (not to mention a gruesome death.)
    Are you willing to pay the price?

    (Heaven)

    #71673
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Paul Gauguin Farm in Brittany 1894

    …uhm, it’s too dark…what is the point?
    I do not enjoy it…
    It escapes me completely…
    …as does most of the bullshit going on in the USA……………………..

    #71674
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    151 Elderly Cyclist Beaten By Dutch Police

    It seems the EU is joining the U.S. in it’s brutal treatment of it citizens for just speaking up about unjust police tactics…

    #71676
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    So Ivermectin works for long Covid (which is the main thing that demonstrates that this is seriously not “just the flu, bro”), too? That’s certainly nothing to sneeze at. Nonetheless, I’m sure the mainstream media paid lapdogs are getting their boxes of kleenex ready as we speak.

    #71679
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “I was not born to be forced. I will breathe after my own fashion. Let us see who is the strongest”. – Henry David Thoreau, ‘Civil Disobedience’

    This if from yesterday, where if you spend 100% of the planet’s oil and electric to lie and deny physics, reality, then when you blink, it’s over. Bye-bye.

    Fear, the opposite to fear? Religion. Basically, a spiritual life beyond this one. That’s why atheism is a must-have element and religious groups are put to genocide, like Falan Gong, Uighers, Christians, and Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn and Christians in California. People who can’t be bullied with fear are dangerous. Their sole threat.

    ‘They may torture my body, break my bones, even kill me. Then they will have my dead body, but not my obedience.’ — Mahatma Gandhi

    The rest of you want to stay here in h–l instead of going to heaven for some reason.

    Covid: £5,000 Fine for People Going on Holiday Abroad (BBC)”

    Freedom only for rich people. Like Biden’s gun tax. Like maskless 1st class flying. Like owning a palatial estate where “lockdown” means nothing to your private cook, living in his own horse stable.

    “Chancellor Angela Merkel and the Prime Minister wrestled with each other for twelve hours”

    Easting 5-star meals and not wearing masks like John Kerry on public flights or Pelosi in hair salon. Why? BECAUSE THEY DON’T BELIEVE IT. They’ve seen the science, h—l YOU’VE seen the science, that’s why they know it’s b——t. They are locking YOU down. They’re flying maskless, eating maskless, living it up on $15 T-R-L-L-I-O-N in new corporate fascist profits, and it will NEVER EVER END until you make it. Give up the fear of a 99.997% survival rate, learn some math – it’s not hard – and tell the truth for just once this year.

    Magic 8-Ball say: “Outlook not so Good”

    “US Home Sales Fell Nearly 20% In February (F.)”

    Opposite of what’s reported elsewhere but I can’t get a handle on it. Suspect the few with money (that own stocks) are fixing their prison cells houses with the free, unearned money, while people without are stuck.

    EU Has ‘Destroyed’ Once Friendly Ties With Russia – Lavrov (RT)”

    Can’t follow this either, but suspect that he’s destroying the EU as an overlord and re-focusing on individual nations which will continue to exist. The EU is about to stop existing, but like here the devolution is slow and won’t be admitted.

    H.R.1 – Is It Really “For the People”? (Farrell)”

    Legislation hasn’t been for the people in 50 years. Look at Carter and what was it, Oxford’s? study that the people’s will has exactly –zero—effect on U.S. legislation. So whose does?

    BTW, it’s also completely, transparently unconstitutional. Election laws are the purview of the represented state’s legislatures, another thing completely un-presented in any court despite attempts nationwide. The 2nd assistant judge in Wilkes-Barre doesn’t create federal election law and neither does the country executive in Ann Arbor. Laws are passed by the LEGISLATURE. But that’s so last century: we now dictate, executive order unlimited martial law, rendition, indefinite detention, civil forfeiture, over top of any law passed, any case precedent, any Supreme Court in Michigan. “’Cause we said so.” Or else what? Or else they’ll politely ask the executive in Maracopa county to not break the law a Second Time.

    So passing laws, not passing them? Really passe’ at this point. “The Law is in my mouth.” And selective enforcement is all.

    “Leaked Docs Show Obama FTC Gave Google Its Monopoly (Bovard)”

    Since Google is essentially the CIA, what did you expect? The CIA essentially installed Obama via his handler Brennan, and the CIA did what the CIA wanted? What are the odds?

    “Minnesota Police Ready for Pipeline Resistance (IC)”

    Great! Clearly the answer is living in caves or sending each barrel in a railroad car that’s hundreds of times more accident prone. We’re doing both, so, #Winning.

    If there’s an unscientific, un-engineering, wasteful, counter-productive idea anywhere, we’re on it like rice. If you could make hot water at home and plant a tree, we outlaw it.

    #71680
    absolute galore
    Participant

    Mister Roboto wrote: “So Ivermectin works for long Covid (which is the main thing that demonstrates that this is seriously not “just the flu, bro”)...”

    From the CDC website:

    Most people who get flu will recover in a few days to less than two weeks, but some people will develop complications (such as pneumonia) as a result of flu, some of which can be life-threatening and result in death….
    serious complications triggered by flu can include inflammation of the heart (myocarditis), brain (encephalitis) or muscle (myositis, rhabdomyolysis) tissues, and multi-organ failure (for example, respiratory and kidney failure).

    Flu virus infection of the respiratory tract can trigger an extreme inflammatory response in the body and can lead to sepsis, the body’s life-threatening response to infection. Flu also can make chronic medical problems worse. For example, people with asthma may experience asthma attacks while they have flu, and people with chronic heart disease may experience a worsening of this condition triggered by flu.

    Have to admit, it does sound familiar.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/symptoms.htm

    #71681
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Lied about dot com boom
    Lied about 9/11
    Lied about Iraq war
    Lied about gfc
    Same people in charge for all, no one resigns or gets fired, but this time they’re telling the truth

    #71682
    Bill7
    Participant

    ‘One Year to Flatten Life as we Knew it’, by Rob Slane:

    “It is a year since we embarked on an untried, untested, unscientific, draconian and frankly mad medical, social, economic and psychological experiment on millions of people. On the day we were thrust into this folly I wrote, “So that seems to be that. The end of Britain as we knew it.” All that has taken place since has, I believe, confirmed that, and my only surprise is that millions of people still cling to the bizarre idea that Lockdowns were based on science, that they were necessary, that they have been effective, and that we have a benevolent Government whose aim has been to keep us all safe. None of these things are true.
    A Brief Recap of What Has Taken Place

    You will search in vain for pre-2020 medical and scientific literature advocating the mass quarantining of healthy people as an appropriate response to a pandemic. In fact, after a panicked Mexican Government flirted with the idea for five whole days during the 2009 Swine Flu outbreak (ending it once it was realised how devastating it would be), the Director General of the World Health Organization (WHO) at the time, Dr Margaret Chan, explicitly warned against such destructive measures being used:

    “In this regard, let me make a strong plea to countries to refrain from introducing measures that are economically and socially disruptive, yet have no scientific justification and bring no clear public health benefit.”..”

    One Year to Flatten Life as we Knew it

    Who could have ever known?

    #71683
    zerosum
    Participant

    Life is a Casino
    Place your bets.
    Red/Black, Happiness/sadness, knowledge/ignorance, truth/lies, right/wrong, confusion/clarity, action/apathy, fear/confidence/doubt

    #71684
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    ‘…just a wicked nasty flu…’ is both truie and false.

    If covid gets a sufficient viral load of the right strain into a person, it’s majorly serious business, more than just a nasty wicked flu. While there are obviously solid reliable cures available, I’ll ignore that and focus on prevention, which is where covid is indeed just another lousy flu: if you keep youor immune system healthy and your general bodily health reasonably strong, take a sniffle or cough seriously rather than ignore it with some OTC cold medicine like we usually do, take extra precautions in powerfully infectious environments (closed air space, heavy AC) to keep your front line defense (hydration especially of the sinuses), your body will get a chance to ID covid for immunity purposes while easily fighting it off with your general immune system.

    Covid, like all life, is a process, one with a life cycle. Nip it in the bud, which is easily done for us wealthy westerners, and it’s a nasty-ass hyper-“flu” you avoided by taking diligent consistent precautions.

    ^&*

    Lawsuits were mentioned yesterday. While the driver of masked lockdown resistence will be ad hoc/actual rather than legal/abstract, lawsuits will help signal the fools in charge that this particular game is over. Particularly, I imagine lawsuits based on how UNHEALTHY prolonged maskwear and social distancing is to both individuals and groups.

    $%^

    @ a kullervo

    Nice music. Genius lyrics.

    “You can only escape slavery through madness.
    Madness is most likely conducive to a brief life”

    Depends on which flavor of madness one picks. Ther are many many ways to turn oneself inside out. Depends, I suppose, on where and when you first begin pulling. I chose madness as a teenager and I’m still around, more scarred than most but also stronger within, faster than a receding mullet, stronger than a loco motive, able to leap small geldings with a single bound.

    Why yes, it’s numerously a miracle that I survived, but then, it’s a miracle I survived my birth, which almost killed me and my mother while saving her from until then undiagnosed rampant ovarian cancer. It’s a miracle I was born. Best I can tell, it’s a miracle anyone is born.

    &*(

    “Elderly Cyclist Beaten By Dutch Police”

    Those tables will turn, and more fiercely than the police can imagine much less deal with. Sociopaths have insufficient fear emotions. Their imagination of negative consequences suffers. If I were a cop, I’d be looking for other work.

    %^&

    @ Dr. D

    “Fear, the opposite to fear? Religion. Basically, a spiritual life beyond this one. That’s why atheism is a must-have element and religious groups are put to genocide, like Falan Gong, Uighers, Christians, and Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn and Christians in California. People who can’t be bullied with fear are dangerous. Their sole threat.”

    Hmmm… it’s interesting. Both camps — deist versus atheist — blame the other’s chosen cosmic outlook as the cause of insane and destructive socieities. I think both are right as far as they go, which is of course not far enough. (Groups don’t travel as fast as individuals.)

    However, religion is the superior option, I feel, because it offers a singular target (god/heavern/etc.) in a nice single location (your deathbed) whil;e the target itself is widely open to interpretatin that accommodates groups as well as individuals. It can span generations with ease.

    Atheism requires a personality cult of leadership to be strong. (I’ll note that the Church always has a Pope.) This makes transition over generatins more difficult. God emperor dynasties have a few hundred years at most. Religions last millennia. (Putin strongly supports the Russian Orthodox church: he will die and his successor will probably be an ass. The church is a hedge against depravity.)

    I find it easier to take comfort and courage from God, however nebulously unproven that God is, than from Chairman Mao or President Biden. SInce the likes of Mao and Biden are worse than we imagine, I prefer a God Who is better and even more real than I can imagine. More bang for my buck.

    ^&*

    @ Dr. D

    “Legislation hasn’t been for the people in 50 years. Look at Carter and what was it, Oxford’s? study that the people’s will has exactly –zero—effect on U.S. legislation. So whose does? BTW, it’s also completely, transparently unconstitutional. ”

    Constitutions are meant to be violated, that’s why we have dictators. You have to kill or exile dictators. Constitutions you merely alter.

    #71685
    madamski cafone
    Participant
    #71686
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Gaugin: love the comnpression of light. Creats what I’ll call ‘virtual iridescence’.

    Also, the suggested illusion of a woman on the right (blue torso, black hair).

    #71687
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ Bill7

    Rob Slane writes some interesting books on the secular/Xtian divide. But his remarks here are shit:

    “You will search in vain for pre-2020 medical and scientific literature advocating the mass quarantining of healthy people as an appropriate response to a pandemic. In fact, after a panicked Mexican Government flirted with the idea for five whole days during the 2009 Swine Flu outbreak (ending it once it was realised how devastating it would be), the Director General of the World Health Organization (WHO) at the time, Dr Margaret Chan, explicitly warned against such destructive measures being used”

    Quarantine is not synonymous with lockdown. Quarantine always relates to boundaries and known contagion vectors. Also, “mass quarantine” is not synonymous with “universal population quarantine”, which concepts so many covid ranters interchange at will. Basically, Rob Slane is lying here, albeit not necressarily wittingly. Everyone has their blind spots. Mass quarantine is well documented in pre-2020, even ancient times. Period. Bullshit is bullshit regardless the source.

    Yes, telling people to stay indoors with their windows closed is insane, which is what one should expect from modern politicians: insane advice to a culturally insane populace. But even insanity can work: China did an extreme mass lockdown on city/region-wide bases; and it appears to be well ahead of the rest of us in getting beyond covid (while preparing its population repeatedly for effective action should, say, a severe bioweapon be spread massively over their mainland).

    Yes, covid is being used to serve power not people. Like every other problem and resource humanity encounters on a group level. That’s no reason to lose your head over it and spout jive in opposition to jive.

    But yes, the UK is toast. T

    #71688
    Noirette
    Participant

    While the int’l news has focussed on:

    The Blinken – China diplomatic disaster in Anchorage. Vid. of locale shows desperately ugly place, already an insult… (link 1)

    (Recall, the Chinese speak and understand English, the trans. are for the public and for the Americans.. Note there are cuts.. this is when the US asked for reporters to leave the room, afaik…an epic watch..)

    and … Biden’s response on a US TV show that Yes, Putin is a killer!

    The EU reaction has been abysmal. EU politics has gone bonkers.

    Putin phoned Charles Michel, Pres. of the EU Council, on 22 March, before the session of the EU council that is to discuss relations with Russia, on 25 – 26 March.

    While the F MSM hasn’t reported on this at all, except with vague condemnations of whatever Russian thingie, and I can’t find a transcript of the call, the EU site offers a run-around, a PDF with no content, this article in Eng. gives some pointers, from RadioFreeEurope. (link 2)

    What Charles Michel demanded (!) according to Russian sources, and some F ones, and in line with link 2:

    > Russia must implement Minsk accords. (The problems with this accord are endless and merely denoucing Russia is ridiculous.)

    > Russia must give up hybrid war and its cyber-attacks

    > Russia must respect human rights

    (see for ex. link 3)

    links below

    #71689
    Noirette
    Participant

    link 1 – vid, anchorage meet, 1 hr 11 mins, in eng, chinese

    https://bit.ly/3sk9isK

    link 2 – radio free Europe, print, eng

    https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-denounces-eu-confrontational-stance/31163983.html

    link 3 – F blogger in Moscow, print, french

    http://russiepolitics.blogspot.com/2021/03/conversation-poutine-michel-lue-veut.html#more

    #71690
    John Day
    Participant

    @Dr.D and Madamski: Buddhism is the atheistic religion, which is why some Muslims only kill Buddhists and not Christians or Jews.

    Capital Controls?
    • Covid: £5,000 Fine For People Going On Holiday Abroad (BBC)

    #71691
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ Noirette

    “> Russia must implement Minsk accords. (The problems with this accord are endless and merely denoucing Russia is ridiculous.)
    > Russia must give up hybrid war and its cyber-attacks
    > Russia must respect human rights”

    Thanx for the research effort. It cinches in my mind the prospect that our government will do as the late Roman governments did: pretend they’re still might and make belligerent destructive lunatic asses of themselves until Russia has no choice but to put us out of our misery before we do any more damage.

    “…give up hybrid was and cyber-attacks?”

    That is the Congolese calling a Caucasian in white-face black.

    #71692
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ John Day

    “@Dr.D and Madamski: Buddhism is the atheistic religion, which is why some Muslims only kill Buddhists and not Christians or Jews.”

    I think atheistic is far too strong a term for Buddhism. Agnostic fits better, I feel. Buddhism evolved quickly to incoprporate the average person’s desire for gods, demiurges, angels, ghosts, afterlives, forelives, alternate universes, u name it…

    Buddhist deities

    #71693
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Gun industry prepares for a surge in demand after back-to-back mass shootings

    After mass shootings in Boulder and Atlanta that killed 18 people in the span of a single week, lawmakers are once again calling for stricter gun regulation in America. The gun industry is already preparing for a surge of sales.

    “When you hear more calls for firearm restrictions, we have observed gun sale increases primarily from people buying before they’re not able to,” said Rob Southwick, founder of the market research firm Southwick Associates.It’s too soon to know how the back-to-back shootings will affect sales of firearms, industry experts say. Reliable figures from federal background checks won’t be released until next month. But if history is any guide, gun dealers and manufacturers can expect a surge in demand.”

    Also, the look in Biden’s eyes in the image. He’s lost, trapped, caught in some devil’s bargain. He chose poorly, as the knight defending the Golden Chalice said of Indy Jones’ opponent.

    #71694
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    @ Dr D:

    Theists often fail to realize that one can be spiritual and moral without belief in a deity.

    And religion has very often been used as a tool to put “the fear of God” into folks so that they are easier to control.

    For this reason I don’t find the divisions of theist/atheist and religious/irreligious to be so helpful.

    In order to build a better world we do need hope and vision and community and quality communication. We need critical thinking and patience and slowness to jump to conclusions. We need faith in ourselves, in other humans, in the potential of attaining a better world — we can describe this better world in the language of Christianity or Buddha or of the Deist Founding Fathers of the USA, with the myths of many cultures, or in the words of Thoreau, etc., or through the media of poetry, visual art, music, dance, and theatre.

    If I’m remembering my theology correctly, the Universalists were seeking to create “heaven on earth” rather than waiting until the afterlife or “millennium with Christ” (as described in Revelations). I have always liked this tenet. Let’s work together to create “heaven” today, here, now.

    Regarding pipeline activists…
    When one’s homestead is rendered unlivable due to pipeline leaks…
    Oil is a finite resource, if all we do is pump ever larger quantities from the ground, eventually we run against a brick wall. (I.e. run out.) Living organisms that last must achieve a “steady state” with their environment — must achieve homeostasis. Living organisms die when they can no longer achieve homeostasis. (Don’t I know. I lost my plucky little six year old black frizzle bantam hen 4 days ago — she succumbed to entropy and died.). If we want a better life for all the humans on this planet, then we need to figure out how to achieve homeostasis with the planet and each other as well.

    Human creativity flourishes best with limits, not when there are no limits.

    #71695
    Susan C
    Participant

    I case anyone else is interested in using an other than google translator I’ve found Deep-L to be superior.

    #71696
    zerosum
    Participant

    Peer pressure won …. I have an appointment for tomorrow for the vaccine.
    Does that mean that my vitamines C and D,and Zinc will no longer be required?

    #71697
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ pheonixvoice

    “Theists often fail to realize that one can be spiritual and moral without belief in a deity. And religion has very often been used as a tool to put “the fear of God” into folks so that they are easier to control. For this reason I don’t find the divisions of theist/atheist and religious/irreligious to be so helpful.”

    True enough but there is another aspect, one so old and well-known it’s almost been forgotten: deisms like Xitanity and it Abrahamist family don’t believe that humanity by itself has any reason to hope for any kind of stable reliable peace and plenty. Hence the Universalist alternative coming online in synch with the Enlightenment and its secular humanism.

    Dr. D has little hope for humanity on its own, I perceive, but am perhaps only projecting my own pessimism on the matter.

    “Human creativity flourishes best with limits, not when there are no limits.”

    This is also a tenet of religiously conservative thinking, which is why it bases itself on obedience to higher law before submitting to human utopian notions for a better world, the idea being that we can’t begin to direct our own moral compass and are therefore wise to go in circles around God as we understand and/or dogmatically codify HIr/Hem/It in our hypocriticaly disobedient ways. It helps keep us from following too far the destructively linear trajectories of human governance. (After every political revolution comes a resurgence of religion unless that revolution is against religious authority, and even then, it’s almost always a switch from one religious code to another a la Catholicism/Protestantism.)

    If the two camps weren’t perpetually at war with each other, tribalism being the primal imprint of our social DNA, they might learn something from each other. In fact, it happens… but not so’s you’d notice. 😉

    Meanwhile, if you have some honey, tell hem/hir what they mean to you:

    You

    If it isn’t true, tell ’em anyway. Practice makes perfect.

    #71698
    zerosum
    Participant

    We have “Universal Basic Income” (UBI), full of holes.

    eg. Taxation, corporate welfare, pensions, social services, wages for pretend work, income without work, wasteful and useless work.

    Also, covid has demonstrated the many non-essential activities.

    #71699
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    @ madamski

    With regards to COVID-19, all one should look at is the population death rate. Insignificant. People got to die my dear. That is how life works.

    Seems like we learned how to treat the flu with this yearlong exercise.

    #71700
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    As a nurse I have seen a lot of death. I am of the opinion that when death is coming to you perhaps it’s best to embrace it like the first time you had pleasurable sex.

    #71701
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Good luck with your gene therapy zerozum

    #71702
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ MIchael Reid

    I’m excited to die.

    “Life is a great surprise. I do not see why death should not be an even greater one.”― Vladimir Nabokov

    But other people want me to stick around so I stay.

    #71703
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    @ pheonixvoice

    Let’s work together to create “heaven” today, here, now.

    Words I live by

    #71704
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ Michael Reid

    The narrative of covid is too wide and multi-faceted, alas, for the simple death rate to offer meaningful comfort or explanatory power to most people, even me. Not that I’m scared of covid but that “covid” is more than one thing. OUr responses to it are turning it into many things, some of them able to significantly increase the death rate, at which point the people who want me to stay around will experience much cognitive dissonance and probably physicalo deprivation or worse.

    Me, I’m just a dry leaf in God’s wind.

    #71705
    zerosum
    Participant

    Due to my age, my upcoming gene therapy will not be passed on to future generation.

    #71706
    Oroboros
    Participant

    When asked if she had any pass times or hobbies, she replied,

    “To live is so startling it leaves little time for anything else.”

    ― Emily Dickinson

    Emily

    #71707
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    @ madamski

    I love your mind. I hope you stick around to express it, as you so feel, for as long as you are capable

    #71708
    WES
    Participant

    Dr. CD. has much in common with Mr. Murphy!
    Contrary to popular opinion, Murphy was an optimist!
    Murphy knew his law worked!
    Just ask the Suez Canal!

    HR1 is just congress legalizing their new methods for stealing federal elections.
    Of course state rights need to be abolished to make Congress’s laws work!

    Being male, the closest thing to “heaven on earth” that I know of, is being inside my Wife!

    #71709
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    @ Wes YES

    @ madamski

    No. You are not any kind of dry leaf. And I thank you for sharing your soul

    #71710
    WES
    Participant

    After kamala canceled installing a chair lift on the ramp to Air Force One yesterday, as a waste of taxpayer money, today joe has retaliated by putting kamala in charge of the southern border claiming this problem started under Trump. Apparently 42 million South Americans want to come to the US. This should tie up kamala welcoming them for quite some length of time!

    I wonder how long a line of 42 million people would be. I could easily answer my own question but a too lazy to exercise my brain’s math circuits!

    #71711
    zerosum
    Participant

    Get the facts on voting – HR1
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_suffrage
    Universal suffrage (also called universal franchise, general suffrage, and common suffrage of the common man) gives the right to vote to all adult citizens, regardless of wealth, income, gender, social status, race, ethnicity, political stance, or any other restriction, subject only to relatively minor exceptions.[1][2] In its original 19th-century usage by reformers in Britain, universal suffrage was understood to mean only universal manhood suffrage; the vote was extended to women later, during the women’s suffrage movement.[3][4]

    A Short History of Voting in the Ancient World


    A Short History of Voting in the Ancient World
    Ancient Greece and voting
    All voting was in public and there was no secret ballot. It should be remembered that immigrants, women, and the many slaves could not vote. Athenian democracy has been categorized as a form of radical democracy.
    Voting in the Roman World
    However, most people could not vote due to rules on property. Rome developed a very complex voting system, and it was both a direct and an indirect form of democracy. They also were the first to introduce the secret ballot, now considered essential to free and fair elections.
    All voting was in public and there was no secret ballot. It should be remembered that immigrants, women, and the many slaves could not vote. Athenian democracy has been categorized as a form of radical democracy.

    #71712
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    When my father was dying, I remained at his bedside for his final days. The last few days he was primarily in a coma from which he would rouse himself from time to time. . . . I would hold his hand and say my prepared speech: “Go to the light,” and “Now is your chance to get out of this body.” I’m pleased that I did that; those are all the right things to say when someone is dying. (“You’ve done a good job in this lifetime.” “Everybody loved you.” “It’s time to move on. . . .”). . . . Very near the end, he began a siege of apnea, and I leaped to my feet, beginning my talk about “Go to the light.He opened his eyes, and he looked at me and said quite clearly, “You know, it’s not that big of a deal.”

    From the book It’s Easier Than You Think, by Sylvia Boorstein

    A quote from the Dalai Lama:
    My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness.

    #71713
    Bill7
    Participant

    >When asked if she had any pass times or hobbies, she replied,
    “To live is so startling it leaves little time for anything else.”

    ― Emily Dickinson <

    Oroboros: thanks for that Emily Dickinson quote. So many of her poems- as with John Donne!- just pierce the heart. One called ‘In Vain’ especially, here..

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