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    Alessandro Allori Portrait of a Lady c1560   • Wagner Chief Offered To Give Russian Troop Locations To Ukraine (WaPo) • WaPo Deletes Part of Zele
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle May 15 2023]

    #135211
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Thanks for the DU shells, Britian. Just what is needed to convert the killing zone into a toxic killing zone.

    #135212
    Red
    Participant

    So nationalize! Sounds very WEF from here. Nationalize and then spread out the wealth nice and evenly with a broken fork.

    “We are essentially talking about economic security in a war,” Alexander Bastrykin, head of the Investigative Committee, told a conference that was streamed online. “Let’s go along the path of nationalising the main sectors of our economy.”

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/head-russias-crime-agency-suggests-nationalising-key-parts-economy-2023-05-13/

    #135213
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “Toronto ‘Anti-Capitalist’ Pay-When-You-Can Cafe Shuts Down After Just One Year
    Citing: “ lack of generational wealth/seed capital”

    Yes, ALL THINGS are “Capital”, i.e. “Capitalism”. In this case, daring to have any savings. I’m sure we’ve all run households with zero savings and farms with zero seed corn, and it worked great! We should have no tools, which are “capital” and no food in the cupboard which is “capital”.

    “”It’s Just Not Safe”: Decades-Old Baltimore Business Closes Shop Because Of Crime, Blames Democrats

    No private property, no voluntary exchange. If I have stuff, you can just take it. Violently, if you want. What do you think will happen if I go to your house and steal it back? What would happen if I match your violence to me, on a subway for instance?

    “Wedding Parties, Homeless Vets Booted From NY Hotels To Make Room For Migrants

    “Some animals are more equal than others.” …You only matter if you’re not a citizen.

    Not just here: UK Food-Bank Dependency Reaches Record High What we need here are 1M more British immigrants. (5x in American terms, 5M new mouths to feed per year)

    Wagner Chief Offered To Give Russian Troop Locations To Ukraine (WaPo)

    Very interesting. But it’s WaPo, so it’s almost certainly a lie. What makes you think this part wasn’t entirely real, and the plan was to have Ukraine walk into a trap? Geez that would be way easier than every other explanation. “But the report said US and Ukrainian officials thought the proposal was disingenuous.” No kidding.

    An archived version of the interview shows a testy exchange between Zelensky and the Post, which was later deleted.”

    WaPo, so it’s certainly a lie.

    Ze says to WaPo, “We thank you for your work, your help when you support Ukraine in this war. You did a big job.” Nothing says honest, independent journalism like that.

    “Plenty old videos with Joe as supremacist.
    • White Supremacy Is ‘Most Dangerous Threat’ To US – Biden (RT)

    I guess when you put it that way, White Supremacist Joe Biden IS the most dangerous threat the U.S. has faced in generations. Second only to Congressional RINOs.

    “I’m not just saying this because I’m at a black HBCU. I say this wherever I go,” Biden continued”

    Yeah, we know. Half the nation is your mortal enemy, and you plan to kill them all. We’ve heard. You had a whole Red Wedding speech about it, “That’s because hate never goes away.” Hate of Joe to imprison the most Black Men ever in history, refuse busing, support “superpredators”, say on camera “we don’t need no n—-r mayors”, then start a pan-African war and genocide. AFTER supporting destroying the richest, best nation in Africa and setting up open slave markets. X is what X does, as Gump would say. You’ve done more damage than 100 KKKs. What am I supposed to do about it? Lie and hide it for you?

    “G7 and EU To Ban Restart Of Russian Gas Pipelines (RT)”

    This is why NY is banning stoves. More profits to ship that tiiiiiiiny amount of LNG to Europe. But hey: we can kill NYers AND kill Europeans? Sign me up!

    “The United States is the only major power that has not fully implemented the CW convention by retaining stockpiles of these weapons.”

    We needed them for like genocides in Yemen n stuff.

    This is an outrageous lie being propagated by the Western media. …Incredibly, for anyone cognizant of the facts, such calumny is still peddled”

    So insert this here: https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=29900

    “One of the strange and unnoticed aspects of the modern age is how much time is spent debating imaginary things. In fact, most of our public debates are about things that may happen or could never possibly happen. The things that are actually happening get very little attention.

    “Every politician is an illusionist now, making reality disappear behind a curtain of deceit.
    What has happened to modern American society is a form of the Peter Pan syndrome, in that society prefers to live in a world of make believe, rather than face up to the tough choices that come with adulthood.”

    And
    “Libertarian kooks would rather think about a world governed by the non-aggression principle than think about the problems that the current world is presenting to us.”
    This seemed to be Johnstone’s position too but at least she disagreed with : ”the libertarian guy is concerned about theoretical abuses of state power.” She thinks there ARE abuses of power, but apparently still need a super-powerful government to stop it. Not sure.

    “Imagination land is so powerful, it even warps the mundane things. Here is a story about a sportsball coach who used salty language in public. It was rude and he apologized for it. In the world of real things, this would be enough, but in the world of imaginary things, he must be punished. Imaginary people were traumatized, maybe even physically harmed by his words. According to his boss, the imaginary people now have scars that cannot be seen, because they are not real.

    In the [real] world, you apologize to a person who you can identify as a victim of your actions. In imagination land you apologize to imaginary people for imaginary crimes.”

    Pretty close. This is the basis of all law as well. You have to demonstrate actual harm to an actual person, and quantify it, roughly at least. “Feelz” can neither been seen nor quantified. In fact they may not exist at all and be a complete fabrication for grift. Probably they are since most “harms” are just little ego knocks we should probably let go.

    “Last month, Douglas Mackey was found guilty in Federal court of violating the civil rights of people who do not exist. The government claimed that his tweets mocking Hillary Clinton voters in 2016 harmed these people. They produced no one claiming to have been harmed by these tweets. They did not establish that such a harm was even possible, but that did not matter. In imagination land, anything is possible. When anything is possible, you go to jail for imaginary crimes.”

    Thus the effective end of all law. Or #Logos. There’s no objective reality and no #Order. There’s no #Order then there’s no #God. Perfect! Peace at last. We finally won and got everything we wanted.

    No reality: no problem.

    “They did it because they knew they could get away with it.” And they did, and are, and will. No one is arrested.

    Notes: Where’s Sri Lanka? Where’s FTX? And it was widely reported that Congress has now conceded there was no evidence at all that Bidens did anything wrong. What’s up with that?

    #135214
    Dr. D
    Participant

    It’s summer, so rushed and editing/formatting is terrible.

    #135215
    Oroboros
    Participant
    #135216
    Oroboros
    Participant
    #135217
    Oroboros
    Participant

    I’m a living example with this post

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    #135218
    zerosum
    Participant

    Reality
    Some people go to jail for lying.
    Some people go to jail for telling the truth.
    ———–
    Secret – Depopulation, no believabe evidence that anyone is responsible.
    ———–
    “Hatre, the oldest and most sinister of forces. That’s because hate never goes away… it only hides under the rocks.” – Biden
    • White Supremacy Is ‘Most Dangerous Threat’ To US – Biden (RT)

    ———–
    Eight years after starting a war against what it claims to be its own citizens, the Ukraine is now engaged in a real battle with its Russian neighbor. After shelling cities of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions, killing at least some 15,000 civilians and wounding countless others, Ukrainian soldiers and their NATO mentors now have to face a real enemy.

    • The Charlemagne Prize for Hypocrisy and Mass Murder (Vogel)

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    “pandemic” that 99.8% of the population would easily survive, and this death rate was known only months after the spread started.

    “..the most aggressive global propaganda attack in modern history..”

    • Never Forget: A Retrospective On The Media Lies Surrounding COVID (ZH)

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    #135219
    zerosum
    Participant

    Zelensky in surprise visit to NATO allies.
    Did someone, (the Biden), advise him on how to set up bank accounts with bankers?

    #135220
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    @ Dr D
    Enjoyed Imagination Land — spot on. 🙂

    #135221
    kultsommer
    Participant

    That “Media lies about Covid” video clip seems like distant nightmare.
    Not so fast with the sigh of relief.
    I think that, at this moment, we are subjected to “Good cop” treatment to ease build-up tension that arose from the fact that more people realized absurd contradictions and danger in the narrative promoted.
    Rest assured that “they” are diligently working on the next step in this “time of calm”.
    Complete societal break-down is their “full proof ace in the sleeve” if softer method does not work.

    #135222
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    Kultsommer makes a timely point about that “good cop, bad cop” schtick that’s being played for all that it’ worth everywhere you can think of. Also take special note that the operative thing about “good cop, bad cop” is the word cop. Both the good one one and the bad one are COPPERS. That means they consider themselves to be magically authorized to tell everybody else what to do and to use violent (and other) force to make sure they do it. Ain’t it just the damnedest coincidence that the orders always seem to serve the material interests of the coppers, at the expense of the people they’re ordering around?

    Hey, wait a second ! Is there some sort of defining characteristic lurking within the dynamics of that coincidental arrangement?

    I think there might be something fishy going on, and that people trying to make you do stuff that you really don’t want to do just might have something to do with it.

    #135223
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    John Day is working on a sensitive reply as he knows full well how hospitals run, where respirators run, and who runs ICUs.

    So far the only respondents couldn’t type the words Arr Enz and for the most part deflected enmity back on to MDs, deservedly for the venal, avaricious 98percenters just following orders from the C-suite.

    #135224
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    The ex-jarhead? (one is never an ex-Marine) Daniel Penny would probably be fine if some “dutiful citizen” hadn’t done their civil duty by filming anything they found interesting. I’m pretty sure that Mr. Penny had a bit of bloodlust going on: he was trained to go into hyper-drive when engaging the enemy. I’m, sure he was clouded by dark passions. One kills before one knows what has happened in such engagements.

    I’m sure I would’ve killed the guy a lot faster than Penny did. I wouldn’t pretend I was “preserving the peace” or whatever silly nonsense people say cops do for us. But I wouldn’t have had to kill him cuz I’d’ve told him to sit the fuck down and shut up or I bloody well would kill him. Painfully. (Actually, I’d kill him as euithanistically as possiboe, but the threat of pain works wonders on disorder minds.) He’d’ve sat down.

    Jordan Neely was a Michael Jackson impersonator who frequently performed in New York’s Times Square.

    He had 42 previous arrests on charges such as evading fares, theft and assaults on three women, according to US media.

    He had pleaded guilty to assaulting a 67-year-old woman leaving a subway station in 2021.

    His mother, Christie Neely, was strangled to death in 2007 by her boyfriend, who was sentenced to 30 years in prison in 2012.

    Following his mother’s death, Mr Neely began experiencing mental health issues, according to family members.

    “Jordan deserves justice. He was loved,” his aunt Carolyn Neely told the BBC.

    You can’t make this stuff up.

    Especially the present tense used by his Aunt Carolynn. I don’t believe in this justice crap; it’s a flimsy disguise for revenge. But if I did believe in it, I’d point out to Aunt C. that justice is for the living, not the dead.

    But, you know, it’s fun to talk about interesting things, and it’s interesting when people die.

    When I was a youngun, only rich creeps had access to snuff flix.

    #135225
    boscohorowitz
    Participant
    #135226
    jb-hb
    Participant

    White Supremacy Is ‘Most Dangerous Threat’ To US – Biden (RT)

    All 3 guys somewhere in the back woods of Arkansas? Or the governments of the nation’s 50 largest cities where most african americans live, Democrat-dominated for over half a century? The Democrat dominated NGO’s functioning there? The corporations operating there that continually broadcast Democrat talking points, use them in their mandatory HR trainings? Democrat-dominated Legacy Media and tech corporations? This Democrat oppression must stop??? What???

    I would think the one defining characteristic of Supremacy would be… supremacy? You keep using that word. I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

    Do we believe in BOTH Systemic Racism and White Supremacy?

    If the Democrats are in charge, and the Democrats aren’t the White Supremacists that the Democrats are worried about, then are we to presume that these Most Dangerous White Supremacists are people that are disenfranchised, NOT in power?

    Does Supremacist = “incel in mom’s basement”?

    Does Greatest Danger = “pepe memes”?

    Okay, but wasn’t Systemic Racism the idea that the (Democrat run) institutions ARE racist? Do Democrats NOT believe in Systemic Racism? And if they DO, are they willing to voluntarily bow out from their long-time leadership of our 50 largest cities, to end Systemic Racism for the vast majority of those affected? As Jesus Jones would say, A Good Start?

    (Detroit, Baltimore, Philadelphia – “Thank goodness for all this extra help I am getting from electing Democrats for half a century, think how much worse it would have been otherwise!”)

    Is it that the BUREAUCRACIES of Federal, State, County, and City governments of our 50 largest cities, where the oppressed demographic largely lives, headed by elected Democrats but are then inexplicably staffed by all staunch White Nationalists? Is that how it works? The elected officials just can’t manage to hire non evil clerks?

    Which is it, this Greatest Danger? An oppressive dominant system or disenfranchised fringe elements? Does convenience and expediency determine at various times when it is one, the other, both, or neither? If they didn’t show up in 2020 during 100 straight days of protesting, what do you think WILL bring this ubiquitous bogeyman out of the woodwork? Most logical explanation is those White Supremacists must be even MORE dangerous than we originally thought? Due to their powers of invisibility?

    Joe Biden, who WAS the system for half a century, of the political party that ruled the affected areas for half a century, wants to say THEIR OWN MANAGEMENT was oppressive and what logically follows from that is to insinuate that ordinary decent people everywhere are probably closet nazis or something?!?!?

    #135227
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Babson’s Warning


    [A] crash is coming, and it may be terrific. …. The vicious circle will get in full swing and the result will be a serious business depression. There may be a stampede for selling which will exceed anything that the Stock Exchange has ever witnessed. Wise are those investors who now get out of debt.

    Babson’s Warning

    #135228
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    So all the good people that follow the rules.

    Where did it get them this time?

    #135229
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    🙄

    #135230
    jb-hb
    Participant

    Oh boy. New Miller beer commercial. 2 weeks until Woke Ramadan starts. Can’t wait to see what Coors will have to contribute. The entertainment will certainly be better than Disney Star Wars or Star Trek STD.

    A spokeswoman announces they’re going to collect all the Miller “Bad Shit” of the past decades – any promotional materials with hot women on it – and MULCH it, use it to grow hops, and send the resulting hops to help Women Brewers.

    She starts out that Women were among the first to brew beer going back to ancient Mesopotamia. Among? Amongst WHOM? Was it Women and the Anunaki or what?

    Having asserted Women brewing beer goes back to the beginning of beer, she proceeded to state random periods in history and conclude that “Women were the ones doing the brewing”

    uh, not “Women were brewing beer” nope. “Women were The Ones brewing”

    so, Miller. You’re saying:

    1. Women don’t know how to garden. Women think horribly toxic plastic promotional junk can be made into compost. They think this “compost” will grow plants.

    2. Women don’t care about ingredients in the things they make – if their beer contains a whole bunch of toxic stuff, so be it. Can’t figure it out, wouldn’t care if they could.

    3. Women have been the ones brewing beer all along- didn’t and don’t need no man. That’s why we need to help by sending free hops to women. Women are equal to men in every way and they NEED HELP!

    4. “Women were The Ones brewing.” “Without women, there would be NO BEER.” (verbatim quote)

    5. Women are ridiculously credulous. (we think they will believe 1-4 without question)

    Finally, it bears mentioning this is an ad campaign targeting women exclusively. One that specifically encourages women to make… their OWN beer? And pish-poshes on MAN made beer.

    They’re advertising to a sliver of their customer base, the result presumably that demographic MAKES THEIR OWN product instead of buying Miller????

    Miller, all those “Hold my beer” stories were warnings, not instructions.

    Attractive people in advertising is wrong!

    #135231
    zerosum
    Participant

    Why are there so many people supporting Ukrainian Nazism and the killing of Russians

    “….. insinuate that ordinary decent people everywhere are probably closet nazis or something?!?!?”

    #135232
    John Day
    Participant

    Thanks for engaging on Multiple Personality Disorder yesterday DBS. This event at Big Spring State Hospital was in the late 1980s, and the patient was born in the early to mid 1960s. I later became suspicious that she may have gone through the kind of childhood processing called “Ritual Abuse”, which MK Ultra was exploring in those days.

    Thanks for all who gave thought to Kinzhal missile interception. It seems like the best thing is to smack something, almost anything into it as far away as possible, and get it to fragment way up there.
    Easier said than done.

    #135233
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    John,

    I was waiting to see if anyone proffered what is probably the only *feasible* response to the “Kinzhal missile interception” question, which could be deployed quickly in the near future time frame (under an optimal tech + mfg. environment), but no one even hinted at it…

    Rail guns.

    With a combination of a sprightly, expeditious & accurate mechanical platform, combined with AI targeting & pinpoint accurate detection, a Mach 9+ rail gun projectile + shock wave *might* destroy a hypersonic missile, at the very least it would drastically alter it’s course…

    At the very least it could represent an interim *fix*, like it was originally intended to fulfill for Reagan’s Star War initiative, where it was far more functional than is even to date acknowledged.

    Just an idea, but I doubt it is feasible given the greed, hubris & general egomania that the MIC (+ associated bureaucratic malaise) is no doubt consumed by…

    If half of the things I heard about rail guns in the “professional” engineering community are even halfway true (now more than 30 years ago), even a glancing strike would decimate a Kinzhal.

    Oh, the effective range would be also far greater than most of the solutions suggested, thus far 😉

    #135234
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    We The People were warned, too bad, so sad, They chose grifters, con artists, NPD sociopaths (LBJ’s Great Society) instead:

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    #135235
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    Well, I thought about adding something re: The Durham Report, but it’s just the latest HARD TRUTH(s) that will be spun by NPD sociopaths into the Machiavellian dung heap, where the electorate that loves/supports The Party of Chaos & Anarchy will feel only more empowered in their war against Truth, Justice & The American Way 🙄

    One POTUS, innocent of *all* accusations, attacked, slandered & legally sandbagged into oblivion…

    Two POTUS psychos (actually more) proven guilty of innumerable Crimes Against Humanity, pissing on their Oaths To Office & Country & in *total* war against The Loving, Healing, Creative Power of The Great Spirit ~ Never to be held accountable for the least of their transgressions because of We The People’s addiction to an Imagination Land so powerful, it even warps the mundane things into an alternate reality where lies are truth; up is down; left is right; good is evil.

    One day the bill for this runaway Mass Formation Pyschosis will come due, which has swallowed the hearts, minds & spirits of hundreds of millions of “Americans”, but it’s clearly apparent that this *unreality* manifested by Collective EG0ic Madness is going to get much, MUCH worse before it’s over…

    It’s literally a Civil War where the enemy uses the government as a weapon against anyone that tries to restore any semblance of ethics, morals or sanity itself…

    It’s really a nightmare, within a nightmare, within a nightmare 😐

    #135236
    Figmund Sreud
    Participant

    OK folks, an omen, … the world goes kaput… any moment from now!
    Martha Stewart Featured As 2023 SI Swimsuit Cover Model
    https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2023/05/15/martha-stewart-featured-2023-si-swimsuit-cover-model

    F.S.

    #135237
    WES
    Participant

    I like how the original leak keeps on leaking new leaks!
    Especially stuff that was never in the original leak!
    It is called “Piggybacking”!
    Whenever you want to reshape the narrative, you just release a new leak while referring to the original leak as the source!
    Nobody bothers to check if this is true or not!

    The Ukrainians are winning the war by buying the farm big time!
    Mr. Z keeps extending his European trip!
    Maybe he is afraid to go home?

    Ukrainian pilots all want to fly F16 jets so they get enough warning to push the eject button unlike no warning flying old Mig jets!

    Corruption in the Ukraine has soared so much in 2023, that their Swiss bank accounts are up over 30% in just the last few months!
    As government insiders, maybe these Ukrainians know something we don’t?

    #135238
    WES
    Participant

    Republican James Comey not only distracted you from noticing anyone crossing the southern US border but also magically made all of Joe and Hunter Biden’s crimes disappear!
    Poof!
    Quite the magician don’t you think?
    Don’t you love being had like that?

    #135239
    WES
    Participant

    As for the US dollars demise, the US criminals can still smack gold down $50 and silver a dollar, any day they feel like it.
    But trust in holding the US dollar is dropping slowly but surely, as more and more people are realizing that they no longer own the US dollars they falsely believed they hold.

    #135240

    Figmund Sreud: thank you for sharing.

    #135241
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @Figmund Sreud

    Vis a vis the Martha Stewart psychotic break (and oh, how I regret clicking the link to that photo) I remain uncertain of where the line between moderately functional sanity and stark staring madness lies, but that photo is way far on the far side of it.

    I could go on and on about the implications, ramifications, probable consequences and possible motivations of all involved, but in the end my heart goes out to the poor schmo who accepted, as terms of employment, the necessity of following through and actually producing the photograph. I doubt if that person’s life will, or even can, ever be the same as it was before that awful choice.

    #135242
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    I was out doing real things all day (and yeah, it was absolutely wonderful. Me and Ruey mowed lawns, cleaned house, clipped hedges, and cracked outrageously dark jokes in the wholesomeness of Hermann, Missouri for hours. Heaven on Earth.)

    Anyway, to get to the point, upon our return to Bedlam this evening I was shocked to see only 30 comments had transpired on TAE so far. Slow day.

    Time for some mind blowing. Shake out a few cobwebs for ya (at least the geeks, nerds and scienticians in the crowd. . . . of whom there are more than most of them will admit.)

    Here is a moderately short factual analysis of an piece from YouTube that proves beyond reasonable doubt that not only is Earth’s history quite a bit different than you’ve been told, it is so MUCH different that it makes recent “world” events truly picayune in comparison. Here’s the link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxg5cgdOz-Y

    If you’re not scared of the dark, or of using your noggin for more than a hat stand, consider the implications and ramifications of what the existence of just that one little trinket means. It might put our present predicament into better perspective.

    #135245
    WES
    Participant

    D B Smith:

    Maybe that version of Martha Stuart is just an AI version!

    Unfortunately one tell tale reveals it is the real her!

    Sure lots of coats of paint on her! If she were to move, the thick paint might crack and peel off! No doubt a lot of air brushing too!

    But hey, we live in an imaginary world!

    #135246
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @WES

    Well, they do say that life is an illusion, and in the case of Ms. Stuart I sure do hope they’re right.

    P.S.
    and at least I got the name spelled correctly on the second try.

    #135247
    TAE Summary
    Participant

    So Martha’s a symbol for sex
    Her ancient wares splayed on the decks
    The swimsuit sensation
    Once cause titillation
    It now promotes Oedipal wrecks

    #135249
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Temperature of recent weapons stockpile explosion not high enough to generate DU oxide dust?

    Ukraine to unleash terrorists on Europe if European nations fail to deliver desired weapons?

    #135267
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Veracious Poet said

    Rail guns.

    Wouldn’t work. Maneuverability is the problem, and with a relatively small projectile, as fired from a rail gun, you need maneuverability to hit the target. Anyway, why a rail gun, you can get a rocket to do much worse than a rail gun. At such high speeds, you cannot use ailerons to direct the projectile because – as any windsurfer can tell you – the aileron will spin out. In other words, you would create a vaccum behind the aileron rather than directing air behind the aileron, so the only reliable way to steer the projectile would be rocket motors. So the rail gun – but why? – would need to fire a missile with rocket motors. May as well launch a rocket: a missile. Better still, cover the possible track of the Kinshal with plasma created by a nuke.

    #135269
    aspnaz
    Participant

    Figmund Sreud said

    Martha Stewart Featured As 2023 SI Swimsuit Cover Model

    Ouch. She still has good hair but that corset swimsuit and the pancakes really could do with a lot of work.

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