Debt Rattle May 27 2014: Are You Sure You Want To Go To War?

[Raúl Ilargi Meijer]

Timothy H. O’Sullivan Gettysburg Campaign Army of the Potomac at Fairfax Court House, Virginia June 1863 Ukraine has a new president, or at least some
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle May 27 2014: Are You Sure You Want To Go To War?]

[Diogenes Shrugged]

“Military men are ‘dumb, stupid animals to be used’ as pawns for foreign policy.”
– Henry Kissinger

I felt pretty upset after first reading that quote, but I’ve since come to realize the truth of it. Too bad for everybody that military men haven’t discovered the truth of it, too.

[Babble]

The first article is just a propaganda piece. Of course the Ukrainian government must get rid of these Russian rebels by force. They have used force to take over and try to split a number of cities from the country. This was a tactical move with Russia’s help. The US should have given the Ukrainian army better weapons and we still should. Only by killing and defeating these Russian separatists will this action be stopped. As for what is owed to Russia for gas, just charge them 400 billion for Crimea, and its military installations that were stolen by Russia. It seems Russia owes Ukraine a lot of money. One last thing, the west should not work with Russia going forward, working with liars just encourages them. Become energy independent, let SpaceX fly to the space station and ban all energy business dealings with Russia.

[Diogenes Shrugged]

babble |ˈbabəl|
verb [ intrans. ]
talk rapidly and continuously in a foolish, excited, or incomprehensible way
noun [in sing. ]
the sound of people talking quickly and in a way that is difficult or impossible to understand

“The first article” was not a propaganda piece, it was Ilargi’s commentary prior to the first article. Your paragraph was the propaganda piece.

You wrote, “Working with liars just encourages them.” Well, why are you working with liars, then? To encourage them?

You also wrote, “Become energy independent.” That’s like my saying to you, “Grow a brain.” What, snap your fingers and suddenly it happens? Fat chance.

I’d call you an ideologue, but why assign such a big word to a lowly troll?

[Gravity]

@Babble
“Of course the Ukrainian government must get rid of these Russian rebels by force. They have used force to take over and try to split a number of cities from the country.”

If your logic were valid, then Yanukovitch would have been at least equally justified in resisting with lethal force the initial Kiev coup in february which removed him from power. Because, besides masses of unarmed people protesting the gov., there were scores of armed people occupying goverment buildings and assaulting police forces. This insurrection was openly attempting to overthrow a legitimately elected president and alter the composition of parliament, by means of lethal force against goverment agents, and by violent coercion, placing the parliament under fatal duress so as to dissolve the dominant presidential party, yielding criminal offenses of sedition or treason.

This coup in the nations capital directed against nationally elected bodies would be expected to displace the rule of law in a far wider area, encompassing a constitutional crisis throughout the entire country instead of just a few eastern provinces, and this national emergency situation would therefore yield a more legitimate government mandate to resist any such attempted coups incorporating devices of defined treason.

Removing Yanukovitch by force was wrongly justified under the spurious reason of fighting corruption. Systemic goverment corruption, involving embezzlement and massive misappropriation of funds, however intractable, by itself yields no legitimate reason to overthrow elected bodies. Only state-sanctioned systematic human rights violations, intractable and not democratically negotiable, may possibly justify such an act, yet no such violations had occasioned before the coup transpired.
At this stage no one (CIA, blackwater, Yanukovitch) had fired on (un)armed protestors yet, (no civilian fatalities accruing to possible gov. authorisation of lethal force were yet registered), until after public order and goverment functioning had been fatally disrupted in excess of the apparent threshold required for Babble and others to justify a crackdown in the east to uphold public order.

The Ukrainian parliament then suddenly elected to dissolve their largest politcal party which, being Yanukovitch’ platform, had won a majority vote in the previous election. All of Yanukovitch’ party members subsequently switched party affiliation, an unprecedented affair in parliamentary history, only conceivable if these party members were placed under fatal duress (death threaths) by the coup villains.
Then this parliament unanimously(!) (even his own party members) voted to remove Yanukovitch from office by wholly inproper impeachment procedures, without the necessary court sanctioning of his impeachability and the parliament pronouncing his administrative guilt on the basis of evidence for defined impeachable offense, as the constitution porscribes. Mere suspicions of Yanukovich’ unjust authorisation of the use of lethal force towards (un)armed protestors are insuffcient basis for impeachment, and on reflection actual confirmed authorisation of lethal force on his part may then still be justified considering the defined prerogative towards preventing coups.

In this matter the parliament so grossly exceeded their authority as to render the entire body of parliament directly guilty of high treason in accordance with the consitutionally constricted definition thereof, and by this act of treason they remain directly complicit in all subsequent rights violations and civil war crimes accruing to their deliberately forced constitutional crisis.

Henceforth, while a state of constitutional crisis exists and persists, all lower bodies of elected authority nationwide are not merely authorised but positively compelled by law and oath to resist this publicly evident coup and usurpation.
Within Ukraine, it technically remains a criminal offense amounting to violent sedition, if not reciprocal treason, for goverment officials to acquiesce to this usurpation whether by passive complicity or active collaboration, moreover as systematic human rights violations are now being provably committed by Kievs assault on the eastern resistance.

Babble:
“The US should have given the Ukrainian army better weapons and we still should. Only by killing and defeating these Russian separatists will this action be stopped.”

You coudn’t be more wrong, dear Babble.
The exact opposite is true. By endorsing such actions, one does approximate a direct advocation of state crimes against democracy or perhaps even advocation of actual genocide, if such advocated lethal force, as aided by supplied arms, is predominantly directed against ethno-political minorities, who coincidentally have a legitimate mandate to resistance, whereas Kiev has no legitimate authority at all.

Because of this indisputable consitutional crisis and the severe legal infractions which the parliament’s treason has caused, in conjunction with judiciary and executive sedition, the regime in Kiev is maximally illegitimate and has no defined authority to compel any lower body of elective authority in any matter whatsoever.
Thus the very rule of law in Ukraine is destroyed as pertaining to national governmental authority, whereas only the lower elective bodies may still legitimately enforce any rule of law in accordance with their usual delegated powers, together with all centrally constricted powers which naturally default into lower bodies upon such a crisis. The geometry of hierarchy being a representative function of gravity only.

Only a comprehensive reconstitution can resolve a constitutional crisis involving treason and sedition of all branches of goverment at once.
Therefore, the authority of the national goverment is permanently and irreversibly displaced into lower strata of representative goverment, such as separatist enclaves, until a new national constitution and parliament is legitimised by an orderly popular vote absent duress, which has become impossible because of the emergent civil war.

Because Crimea already had full regional autonomy under the old constitution before the coup, it can be successfully argued this region is uniquely authorised by reactive principles of self determination to separate permanently and seccede from the Ukrainian nation because of the con. crisis. Even if the con. crisis were later resolved no power on earth may then legally force them back into Ukraine against their will.
However, by the singular excercise of this principle right to self determination (although the popular mandate towards seccesion was derived from an overly hasty referendum and not entirely absent duress), this natural right of the Crimean people to unilaterally seccede from illegitimate goverment or violent state, once established, can never be destroyed, denied or taken away. Therefore Crimea may also legitimately seccede from their new motherland Russia, at least if so compelled by similar unjust circumstances.

Any other regions east or west, having less preexistent autonomy, have fewer valid means to legitimately separate and fully seccede from Ukraine without comprehensive national negotiations. But all civillians and especially all government agents everywhere still remain compelled by law, oath and civil duty to resist, by civil disobedience or even by violent self-defense, the central usurpation of Kiev, until reconstitution were effected.

Criminal tribunals must also be organised to bring the coup villains, foreign and domestic, to fair justice before national reconcilliation is achievable.

[Gravity]

Also, while this constitutional crisis persists, the presidential election results are void, although even Putin would not declare this to be so. Any such elections proscribed by non-existent government authority are void prior reconstitution and the election of a new parliament empowering new parties, since the old parties associated with the parliament’s treason may themselves be defined as criminal organisations.

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