Debt Rattle October 25 2022
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Rembrandt van Rijn Self portrait 1642 • White House Responds To US Lawmakers’ Call For Russia Talks (RT) • Russia Warns US and UK About Ukraine
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle October 25 2022]Death Vaxx injury hearing:
Sir Christopher Chope’s full remarks at Westminster Hall – 24.10.22:
Complete UK media blackoutThe ‘War of Terror’ May Be About To Hit Europe (Escobar)
I assume that the readers of TAE know that Escobar is employed directly by the Chinese Communist Party
as a writer for The Global Times based in Hong Kong , the CCP’s major English speaking propaganda platform?
“Fuck off Australia, stick to killing your own people with a few more death jabs.”
We are waiting for Putin to send us more of that good Russian goo , that is if Putin hasn’t taken it all himself.
The idea that Russia is prolonging the war as a tactical advantage is so dumb , illogical that is . If Putin wanted to prolong the war they would just dig in , create a really strong defensive line bring in the artillery and hold it. Why would you retreat from territory it took months of combat with heavy cost in time , money and treasure to take knowing you are going to have to do it all over again? That is nonsensical.
The fact is that the Russians do not have the capability to hold the line and all this talk of 5D chess is just BS conjured up to mask the truth , it is the sinking of the Kursk again. Russian military dickheads are making excuses for their failings. Remember the West had to come in and save the day then , that the Navy lied to the Russian people and Putin to cover their own arses?….for months they claimed the sinking was the result of a collision with a US sub? How dumb would you be to think that a US sub could sail away from a collision that registers in Norway as 3.5 on the Richter scale and then keep on telling the Russian people that BS for months after the event when every one already knew it was BS?
Meanwhile the Chinx have blown a real estate bubble that would make Wall st . blush.
Some people think Russia should go all in. Empty out Russia, use the bombs, finish off Kiev in a day.
…While knowing NATO is waiting for them. Waiting for them to be depleted, waiting to be overextended, waiting for any escalation that can mobilize NATO and Western Europe.
If they don’t do this, but keep most of their arms to defend their OWN country, sending only 1/3 of the numbers that the Ukrainian army has, then they’re failures for being too slow and not winning enough. …Although the winning already has revealed NATO’s hand and their intent.
Okay, well, I guess they’re all useless weaklings then, fighting Ukraine with 1/3 the recommended forces just cause they can’t count to ten. No, I’ll stick with my present theory, thanks. Yeah it sucks to be advancing when the defenders outnumber you 3:1 AND the home field advantage is commonly considered 3:1. So 6:1 against. With 1,000km front. And wars are the creators of phrases “SNAFU”, “FUBAR”, and “BOHICA.” — If things are going well, the enemy isn’t doing their job. With the most advanced satellites ever created on planet earth reporting on you.
No, things are going as well as can be expected. Maybe Ukraine held out a little longer, but for what gain? Fewer men and fewer countrymen for generations? Oh well. And what’s the other side? Kiev’s going to occupy Moscow? Where’s this going? A country the size of France thinks they can occupy 12 time zones?
“30 House Dems Urge Dramatic Shift in Biden’s Ukraine Policy: ‘Get Serious about Diplomacy or Risk Nuclear Miscalculation’”
Wha Wha Wha Wha? Watching, ‘cause surely this can’t be real. There is no anti-war alarm. There are no anti-war protests. What’s the point? We’re not in a democracy, and didn’t work the last 30 years. 50 years, since Vietnam? Can see how nations are shoved into war if they burrow long enough. And history will report “we the people didn’t care.” No, but historians are brown-nosers who’ll believe anything the Government PR releases say. We did care, but aren’t wasting our time either.
“Nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine,”
So those 30 Congressmen seem to think the U.S. is running the war or they would ask Ze and not Biden. I guess those Congressmen don’t know what they’re talking about except Biden said “Support the war” “We’re in the war” “We’ll support the war to the end” and sent $50B War dollars there, no questions asked.
But: Silly Russia! We’re not in the war that the President and Congress say we’re in! When you’re bombed, it’s them, not us!
Oh and also: They sent a strongly-worded letter? Uh-huh. Oh no, Karen, whatever shall we do? They spoke to the manager.
…Apparently we’re now buying Russian oil in bulk. Oh wait: it’s okay since they rebranded it “Chinese” oil. …Who we are also at war with. Why? Because Brandon already stole the multi-billion dollar SPR kitty and blew it on election rigging. So he’s both stealing, AND election tampering AND giving aid and comfort to the enemy. No charges. Give Russia and China all the money you want, THEN give Ukraine and Taiwan all the money you want. …Because it’s not their money. It’s ours. And no price it too high to pay when somebody else is footing the bill.
“Israel Destroys Iranian Drone-Making Plant in Syria”
…But it’s not an act of war when WE do it. Surely Iran should blow up a Jerusalem pharmaceutical plant just to be fair, right?
Glad you covered the “Biden Passed the Student Loan Bill” quote. That’s just…beyond. And it’s jsut like his lifetime of plagiarism and lies: somehow nobody cares. It’s always okay when he does it and gets the most black men imprisoned in the history of the world.
Gas: that is not a stable chart. Are there derivatives attached to these markets? Because it’s hard to see how somebody doesn’t go under and take a cross-default chain with them. Like Credit Suisse? But never DeutscheBank, well known to be the largest and worst shape, also in the direct center of both bankruptcies and energy markets. With no Fed swapline. No, never. This is fine. Everything’s fine.
““..the UK “rejected Russia’s allegations that Ukraine is planning actions to escalate the conflict.”
Shoigu would not have called if he didn’t have the names and addresses of the people in the plan. And their MI6 connections. So, do we get to hear any of it? Nope. They just “rejected it”. Trust your government’s war department: when have they ever lied? Yellowcake, mushroom clouds, WMD and ties to al-Qaeda, they’ll greet us with flowers, dominoes, Agent Orange is safe as water, remember the Maine, the Indians attacked us, and we never cracked the Japanese code in the Pacific.
“Ukraine is facing its harshest winter,”
This seems unlikely unless they’re putting babies in pots. However, I have to say that was back when population was low and everyone collected firewood, which is no longer true. So lacking even the infrastructure and tradition…that’s pretty bad. What do you do, ship and build 12 million kachelofens at 500 kilos a piece? So Europe has granted refugee status to all 43 million Ukrainians, right? Surely they have a better claim than a 5 million migrants that crossed 10 safe countries but thought the job prospects were better in Denmark than India.
I could say the same about pot-bellied stoves here. Most places we have enough wood for a township lying around in old lots and roadsides, unused, but there’s no social or physical mechanism to use it. Nor can there be when U.S. law is broken.
“The Ukrainian government employs the same tactics as Al-Qaeda in its conflict with Moscow,”
Normally this is over the top. State entities are not the same as non-state entities, and yes, governments are foundationally a local mafia and protection racket from the get-go. But in this case, both Ukie and Al-Q are expressly run by the same people: Langley. The guys who just nuked Germany. Openly. In fact, better than nuked them, via energy. And made them shut up about it, too.
“If Russia alleges that Ukraine is preparing something, it means only one thing: that Russia itself is preparing it,” Zelensky said”
Wow, you guys are geniuses! “I am rubber, you are glue…” Um, back in the real world, we provide a thing called “evidence”? To support your allegations? Anyone remember that? It’s written into every news department, every embassy, and every court of law worldwide. No? Well, carry on then: we haven’t needed evidence in 50 years and aren’t going to start now.
“We cannot keep the station safe without guarding it,”
Sure you can! That’s the same argument we have here about outlawing guns! If all the good people are unarmed, all the bad people will suddenly become good and not like violence anymore! You can see we believe it since we’re disarming our own military right now!
““…the idea that Russia and the US will just fight an infantry war and cordially accept the results is ridicu-fucking-lous..”
But everyone told me – Petreaus, Graham, Senators, CIA directors, generals – that we can just nuke the Russian Army and they’ll just sit around and take it? What fresh hell is this? And we really REALLY are a-gonna win with a 10,000 mile, trans-ocean supply chain and zero manufacturing against Russia with a 0 mile supply chain and open mines and factories. “Always fight your wars across two continents at the end of a 10,000 mile supply chain,” –Lao Tsu.
“I’d vote for fucking AOC if she vowed to not give another dime to Ukraine and push for a peace settlement.”
She already did promise that. Then she already lied and voted for Ukraine anyway. Then cried “victim”, “Color”, “women”, “feared for my life” when her district yelled at her about it.
“ Potential Mass Layoffs At Twitter Could Cripple Content Moderation (ABC)”
Oh no: people might speak and hear things. Whatever shall we do? Surely we must expend all the energy in the country stopping people from existing as people.
“Cheney: Trump Won’t Be Allowed to Turn Jan. 6 Testimony into ‘Circus’ (Hill)”
Liz is the gift that keeps on giving, isn’t she? Never stop. The DNC funds all our campaigns, in huge amounts. Surely we’re funding hers, right?
“Hunter Biden’s Laptop Documents at Least 459 Legal Violations (DW) “
If anyone had doubts that the law only applies to the little people, us.
“Plastic recycling has turned out to be a “failed concept” used by global corporations as a “smokescreen,”
As us cynics said at the time. Greenpeace and others had gotten the edge on pollution, so corporations supported “recycling” therefore, all their useless consumerism and quadruple packaging – now octouple packaging thanks to Amazon – would be YOUR FAULT. You smelly consumers who didn’t recycle like slave-harvesting Coke and Foxconn told you to! “Do What You’re Told!!!” …Worked like a charm.
…Of course, here, Greenpeace only notices FORTY YEARS after they’ve been scammed. I’m sorry, Greenpeace: too soon? The news on recycle rates came in ONE YEAR after broad recycling began. We’ve known every year since then. Still consumering. Still quadruple packaging. Still not re-using, jars or coke bottles.
And if you think plastic is bad, try glass: it takes much more energy to re-cast it. Here’s the problem though: people have to be mature and responsible and not poison every bottle before returning it for refill. And we are not (social) agreement capable.
“It’s hard to escape the awful feeling that Western Civ has a death wish”
Yes. They are #AntiLogos. The opposite of #Logos is their god. The opposite of the “Way, the Truth, and the Light.” Therefore they are anti-Logic, anti-Reality, anti-Honesty, anti-Practical, and anti-Life. This is not hyperbole or slander, this is literal and accurate truth. They HAVE a death wish. They ARE Anti-Life. Abort your latest baby today! Kill 9 and the 10th is free! …What sort of people or culture think, feel and behave this way? One with a death wish, that worships and elevates holidays of death, fear, horror, and darkness like Halloween as their biggest day of the year.
And on Kunstler’s article, Yes, the Bank of England immediately attacked the Prime Minister. By attacking Britain as a country, the British currency, and the people of Britain themselves. And they won, so they put in the head of Goldman Sachs for themselves. Not even trying to hide it: Goldman Sachs now runs England. Any questions?
“I Hope People Can Imagine the Scale of What Is Happening Here (Hodkinson)”
Nope. Zero recognition here in these parts. They could kill 5-10x as many without alarm, I guess.
“La Nina Transforms Australian Desert Into Wetlands” Well that can’t be right. Climate Change is always a wind that blows nobody any good. There can be no positives at all. That’s Science. Not bias and propaganda a bit. Must. Stop. The Green. Don’t worry: if there are a few too many raindrops where the deserts are greening, they’ll complain and call disaster, we’re all gonna die.
“CNN says Reduce pets”
CNN also says if you want more food, get rid of cows. And be sure to make those varieties go extinct while you’re at it. When you’re #AntiLogos, cows are the #Opposite of food. So if you want #Life, choose #Death!
Wow; Dr. D’s rant wore me out…crazyland/wonderland; what a time to be…I’m so happy to be gone from that sphere of the world…
Dr. D Rich…don’t give up; there are places to be found…
“The Moorish invention that tamed Spain’s mountains”
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20221011-the-moorish-invention-that-tamed-spains-mountains
We must never install one of these. We must, must curse BOTH the rains, AND the droughts, and then God thereafter. If you have one of these where you live, ignore it and pretend all the landscape around you is natural. Never get a wooden stick and a pair of sandals and make one.
Signed by prominent progressives including Ro Khanna (Pennsylvania), Ilhan Omar (Minnesota) and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (New York), the letter acknowledged that the ultimate decision on when to return to the negotiating table remains Ukraine’s.
Yeah, this sort of rational action tends to happen when the polls come in and your seat is looking tenuous near election time. Don’t worry, they will get back to fucking you over once you vote them back in office.
Self delusion. Okay, I should write this sober, but what the hell.
My wife and I are staying in Penghu, an island in the Taiwan Strait. We are staying with a boat captain who has a few B&Bs. It is the off season, the B&B has no other paying guests, it is very windy (we are here to windsurf, so that is good), and he has a lot of his mates staying for free. They are all boat captains, they all own their own boats, apart from one guy who is a business man, owns a machine tool company on the main Taiwan island, he’s worth a ton of cash, and he is taking the boat captain exams so that he can go fishing, he is going to the local school. The B&B owner is a senior, respected guy in town.
They are the most welcoming people you could ever meet. The boss insists that every night we all eat together, on his tab in his dining room. We always eat loads of fish. We have been down the docks on a few mornings to select fish as the boats come in, then in the evening we eat them, usually at least three fish dishes plus a sashimi dish etc.
Anyway, today the topic moves to Xi Jinping and the congress and Hu jintao. When I asked them what they thought Xi would be remembered for, they unanimously said “Invading Taiwan” and when I asked them why they disliked Xi, they all said “because he is threatening Taiwan, flying his jets in our airspace etc”. When I asked them whether they wanted the USA to fight with them if China invades, they unanimously said “no, the Chinese kill other Chinese, we do not want outsiders to get involved”. Then they told me that they thought Xi would start a short war and Taiwan would beat back China. Yes, I was astonished that they would think that their 26 million could defeat 1.5 billion, but that is what they truely believe, and, some of them want the war to be sooner rather than later, to get it over with. They are all passionate about being independent, all willing to fight the Chinese to save their children (and for some, their grand children) from suffering under the Chinese.
Make what you will of that!
Moscow has discussed the threat of Kiev potentially using a “dirty bomb” with London and Washington at the level of the chiefs of the General Staff, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Monday.
Great tactics from Russia, tactics which have paid dividends in the past: warn everybody of the worst false flags that could happen, accuse the appropriate protagonist, take it to the UN so that it is all over the news, then the protagonist will back off or be seen to be the bad guy. They missed this with the bridge attack, but they exposed the Ukraine attacks on the nuke plant. This is a good tactic, it is working and difficult to block when the talking shop is the US controlled UN.
Re “Zero Covid Hell”
—————————————Shortish snip from recent interview: Louis-Vincent Gave: The Xi Pivot vs. The Powell Pivot
… Xi Jinping having basically put himself in charge, put himself in a situation where A) of course nobody wanted to contradict him and B) there was really no turning back. And I think one of the big problems for China and I’m sure you’ve met people like this in the past couple years, is that it by all accounts, it looks like Xi Jinping is one of these people that is deeply COVID paranoid. And I’ve met a lot of people like this, of course. You know, colleagues, friends, and to some extent, the more people read about COVID, the more they became paranoid about it, right? Which makes sense, the more you read about a disease, the scarier it looks typically. So I think Xi Jinping decided I’m going to be in charge of this, I’m going to read everything there is about it. And the more you read, the more you freaked himself out. And so you get stuck in the situation we’re in. Now, the one sort of, perhaps, sort of silver lining to this pretty dark cloud, is that when you look at the Chinese Communist Party, the Chinese Communist Party is first and foremost in the game of providing social stability. […]
… fwiw,
F.S.
In an interview with German outlet Handelsblatt, Vitrenko explained that “about 40% of the power generation plants were destroyed” by recent Russian airstrikes.
The people of Ukraine should be going after Zelensky and his Nazis rather than working with the army. It will take a very long time to replace 40% of any country’s generation plants, especially ones without any income. Their ancestors built those plants and just because of some crazy US assholes created an historically idiotic country called Ukraine when the USSR broke apart, now the people of that region have to suffer the consequences of the incompetence of the USA, as does the rest of the world. However, the retarded Ukraine decide to go back to the USA to ask them to fix the problem …. asking the arsonist to put out the fire. The Ukraine people are in the shit and need to kick out Zelensky and his NATO allies.
Going Nuclear
Recently Russia claimed that a nuclear weapon would be exploded in Ukraine and blamed on Russia. Russia would know the weapon would have been supplied by the West and would assume it would be used as a pretext to send a nuclear strike against Russia. It would not be unlikely that Russia would decide to strike first. Instant WWIII!
A ‘Dirty Bomb’ could conceivably be created by the Ukraine without outside help so could be regarded as less threatening. If carried out it would depend on how severe the result was. It may be that Russia would feel the need to respond, perhaps by nuking Kiev. The West would then have a short time to decide whether to start WWIII or not.
If the result of the dirty bomb was extreme then Russia may feel the need to go further. Russia has claimed that the UK is involved and Russia promised their first nuke would be aimed at London, so they may feel the need to target London. Again the West would need to decide whether to sacrifice themselves to avenge an attack on London.
In Syria Russia often published details of planned false flag operations in order to make it suspicious if they still went ahead. I assume this is what they are trying to do here, hopefully with success.
It is incredible that any of the above is plausible. The risks far outweigh any possible rewards.
Plastic recycling has turned out to be a “failed concept” used by global corporations as a “smokescreen,” Greenpeace USA has said, urging companies to focus on abandoning single-use plastic.
You mean to say that corporations were being disingenuous over their concern for the environment? Wow, what a revelation, so that means that the whole corporate driven green project is probably not about a concern for the environment? Does that mean that ESG is also just a cartel of investment companies like Vanguard blackmailing corporations to do as they are told and not really about the environment? So what could the project be about, could it be about stealing from the common man, the way that Pfizer and Von Hitler did in Europe?
But I found it hard to believe that the Chinese, intelligent as they are, would not realize the mess in which they find themselves with their insistence on evidently ineffective “Zero Covid” policies.
This is a very interesting issue that needs further research. In China, all children are first taught to read and write, it takes many years for them to learn their language and the teaching method is memorisation through repetition. This mode of teaching is now everywhere in China.
As I mentioned earlier, I am staying at a B&B with some boat captains and a person going to “boat captain” school. Today the person went to the class, signed in at 17:30 (the class starts at 18:00) and then left and came back to the B&B. We quizzed him about what today’s lesson was about and he, a man in his fifties, told us that the classroom lessons only involved memorising previous exam questions. They are not taught the principles of navigation or anything like that, instead they are taught the navigation exam questions and the correct answers. You can miss a lesson and as long as you have the course work, you can memorise the exam questions at home. He told us that the absentee rate is enourmous and that about half the lessons are cancelled because only about 3 people turn up.
This is the way China teaches their children and adult students. It all starts with learning thousands of characters of the language and, given that method of teaching, ends up being the same method used in University and other schools. The student captain already knows how to captain a boat, he has friends who are captains and shown him how to do it, but he needs the exam to get the license. There are also plenty of people out there with a captain’s license who have no idea how to navigate between two points on a map.
Zero Covid fits perfectly into this framework of people who have a little knowledge but really have no idea what they are doing. The Chinese scientists who advised government obviously have no idea that their ambition, to eradicate all copies of a virus, is so-far unheard of in the real world. Without a real understanding of your subject beyond knowing the pertinent facts, you are a useless student.
USS San Francisco
Speaking of sniveling ass clowns… found one @Redneck , found another @chooch
@Redneck –
Russia has won!”
They should “win”, they should have won months ago. What is the holdup?
That is the question the Russian people want to know the answer to.
Most recent scheme by Russian political talking heads is to twist the arm of the Afghans for the gear the US left behind , does that mean that the Russians don’t have their shit together.Speaking of Afghanistan…how long did it take the US/Nato to “win” against the ak goat herders? Did they “win” in Iraq ? Define “win” you fucking retard. You win at sucking nato cock and spewing bs.
So you speak for the Russian people huh? Nah, you’re just a pathetic troll… Why don’t you go spend some quality time with your kids and family? If it’s more important for you to spend your time shit posting here rather than enjoying it with your family,,, Then again, maybe it’s better that daddy doesn’t poison his own kids into spitting images of his own retardation.
order more popcorn and another Coke , don’t go ‘way now.
you and choo choo, lots of popcorn laughing at you ass clowns. Funny and entertaining how neither of you have an iota of critique towards your own govt masters… You serve them well. Both of you are moral and intellectual cowards.
@chooch –
RT has suspended presenter Anton Krasovsky for genocidal hate speech against Ukrainians.Seems like a vibe the permeates Russian culture.
Why don’t you comment on your own USA culture fuck face? Oh but you’re also an expert on Russia?
Did you happen to notice censuring free speech, banning Dr’s, banning any speech regarding the vax shots in usa? Is that an American culture Vibe ? You propagandized retards are pathetically entertaining… must be a Western cultural Vibe thing…Washington State University system cancels mandate for most employees
WSU to eliminate vaccine mandate for employees, contractors, and volunteers in most settings
Remember, this is the university that fired their head football coach for not getting vaccinated. They fired a lot of people, and had one of the most strict mandates in the country.
With the mandate gone through the courts in NYC what’s next? As I said earlier, word has it only 10% of employees are getting the booster who work for the University of California, do they cave next? What does this mean for the thousands (millions?) affected?
I took a 50k a year paycut (amazing to think about really) because of the mandate at UC. I’ve lost 100k in income over the past 2 years in my new job. I’m not rich, this was 30% of my salary, and I only started making in that range over the past 7 years, in my late 40s. I’ve got no regrets really, but the impact to my retirement and future, not to mention globally with so many having suffered huge setbacks, is really staggering.
Reality/facts – A bubble within a bubble
Thanks RIM, …. for helping me see the other bubbles
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myopic
synonyms: (living in a bubble)short-sighted · nearsighted · purblind
lacking imagination, foresight, or intellectual insight
synonyms:
unimaginative · uncreative · unadventurous · narrow-minded · lacking foresight · small-minded · short-term · narrow · insular · parochial · provincial
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Imagination/Self-delusion. – See the spoon. See the spoon bend.
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Russia-Ukraine live news: Kyiv warns of Zaporizhzhia ‘terror’ act
By David Child
Published On 25 Oct 2022
25 Oct 2022Ukraine’s nuclear agency warns Russian forces may be preparing a “terrorist act” with materials at the occupied Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant.
The allegation comes as Russia doubles down on its claim that Kyiv could use a “dirty bomb”, saying it will bring the issue to the UN Security Council on Tuesday.
The UN nuclear watchdog prepares to send inspectors in the coming days to two Ukrainian sites at Kyiv’s request, seemingly in response to Russia’s accusation.Russia says its forces repelled Ukrainian attacks in Kherson, Luhansk
Moscow’s forces have repelled Ukrainian attacks in the southern Kherson region and eastern Luhansk region, the Russian defence ministry has said.The ministry said in a statement that more than 100 Ukrainian servicemen had been killed in the fighting and that four tanks and several other vehicles had been destroyed.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/10/media-continue-to-push-us-officials-said-claims-even-when-those-are-obvious-lies.html#more
Media Continue To Push ‘U.S. Officials Said’ Claims Even When Those Are Obvious LiesThe real function of those false assertions is to project Russia as weak, to deceive the U.S. public to keep up the support for the U.S. proxy war against Russia. That may or may not work. But as long as ‘journalists’ are willing to write down such nonsense there are also no costs to any of the ‘U.S. officials’ producing it.
They will only stop making up shit when they are called out for it.
Despite knowledge that the U.S. government officials are lying to them ‘journalists’ at major U.S. media continue to report their ‘not rock solid’ claims as facts.
The New York Times reports on the northern Kherson region, where new Russia troops deployments prevent a long planned Ukrainian attack:
A look at the map will immediately throw the last assertion into doubt.The northern Kherson region on the right side of Dnieper river is a strategic launching pad that allows for future attacks in several directions – Mykolaiv, Odessa, Kryvy Rih, Nikolaiev, Dnipro and beyond. No officer who has learned a bit about wars would want to give up such a strategic position. That is why the assertion that commanders requested a retreat from that area strikes me as obviously false.
$50k(30%) + $50k(30%) + $50k(30%) = (90%) or
$150k + (10%)$50k÷3 equals $166,666.67
China’s collective zero COVID policy might be better understood as response to an act of war…no doubt. The perpetrators of this act of war might also be easily perceived as The Stupids who let the proverbial genie out of the bottle, opened Pandora’s box or let loose the dogs of war.
AND now that we know from our host’s daily reference to COVID statistics as ordinary flu that something else is creating “alotta more mortality”, how then can we be sure China’s zeroCOVID policy isn’t a rational response to this Other Thing?aspnaz quoted: Noirette said,
Afaik no med. explanation ever linked being fatter to being more impacted by covid..?
aspnaz responded:
Stats clearly show that being fatter is less healthy as in you are likely to suffer more medical issues and die earlier. That is unlike being super fit which makes you much less likely to suffer medical issues but does not extend your life. A “medical explanation” is not needed to verify risk statistics. A medical explanation is needed to verify any theory as to why this happens.
Risk stats. are not the be-all or even an explanation of bad outcomes.
What about:
Stats clearly show that in the USA, being black (vs. white) means you are likely to suffer more medical issues (many undiagnosed, untreated, ignored..imho) and, certainly, as all stats show, to die *far earlier* than whites.
Is this the result of black skin or black hair or black genes? I don’t think even aspnaz would say so. The causes are clearly broadly sociological, higher poverty rates, less med. insurance / coverage, jobs that expose them to more risk, living in bad conditions, poorer diet, etc. The cause is historical, not part of the decription of the present. (Slavery, prejudice, etc.) No med. rationale exists.
COVID-19 Cases and Deaths by Race/Ethnicity: Current Data and Changes Over Time
They die more because they are looked down on, poorer, more vulnerable, have less social defenses, advocates, are more ‘expendable.’ And so it goes. If aspnaz doesn’t agree with this, I’d be very surprised.
How does such an argument not apply to fatter / obese ppl? Particularly as it applies to covid, which is a specific infection, and has nothing to do with needing a ‘walker’ or help to climb stairs or getting less ‘exercise’, etc. For sure, fatties are ‘less fit’ in the sense of not going on mountain climbs, winning in amateur swim competitions, doing sexy pole dancing, and so on..but why are they more set to die from covid? What is the medical explanation, beyond the social stereotype? That is what I meant was missing.
https://studentaid.gov/welcome/?redirectTo=%2Fmanage-loans%2Fforgiveness-cancellation%2Fdebt-relief-info
The Biden-Harris Administration is providing up to $20,000 in student loan debt relief for eligible borrowers.Apply today (but no later than Dec. 31, 2023).
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Who will pay the rich bankers the $20,000 that the student will not pay?
Whaaaaat!
You thought that the loss would be eaten by the rich lenders………..
Hehehehe
Maybe, it is all pretend to get your vote and it’s not going to happen.
Hahahaha
Pay up …. for you it’s not even a tax deductionBats
What a delight for a father (I assume) to be showing this to his kids, listening to their chirpy questions, and the father’s answers: “Butterflies? I don’t know if they eat them.”https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/pest-control-tips/bats.html
A single brown bat is very beneficial: it can easily capture 600 mosquitoes each hour. A colony of 500 bats can eat a million insects nightly.Recycling Plastic a ‘failed concept’ (RT, Greenpeace)
Just let all the serfs be born and fed with a plastic spoon (of dubious durability) in their mouth.
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Recycling plastic is, or rather would be, kind’s play compared with recycling electronic components like capacitors, resistors, Printed Circuit Boards, Transformers(!)… You might be able to extract one or two precious materials like copper or gold, but most gets molten or burnt, producing some interesting side-dishes like dioxin or mercury fumes.Your connection isn’t private
Attackers might be trying to steal your information from http://www.rt.com (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards).
NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALIDUkraine has been winning the war since week 1 of the war.
https://www.rt.com/russia/565326-vereschuk-ukraine-refugees-return/
Kiev tells Ukrainian refugees not to come home yet
Deputy Prime Minister Irina Vereshchuk asked her compatriots to stay abroad this winter amid a deepening energy crisis in the countryOn Monday, the head of the state-owned energy giant Naftogaz, Yuri Vitrenko, said that Ukraine was facing “the worst winter in history,” marked by “constant power outages.” He explained that recent Russian airstrikes have also hit oil refineries and destroyed “about 40% of the power generation plants.”
On the same day, the Ukrainian online retailer Rozetka revealed that the last two weeks had seen a sharp increase in demand for “goods needed in the event of an energy crisis,” such as potbelly stoves, power banks, candles and gas burners.
@Aspnaz: Thanks for the insights regarding the views of the Taiwanese fishing-boat captains, a significant demographic, making their own way in the world. They see Xi as invading Taiwan. They see Taiwan as repulsing that invasion, better without “help” from the “west”.
Memorization is key to homogeneity, but it is not good for problem solving, as you point out.
Lock-step compliance is that way.@Dr.D. Rich: Yes, China is responding in civil-defense fashion to biowarfare attacks. It is not just response, but it is also training. They don’t speak this as such…
@Redneck: Where is “the war”? Who are the competitors?
Is it not the waning western financial-globalist-neoliberal-neocolonial extraction system against the rising BRICS+ system, not yet corrupted, more egalitarian, and promising debt-repudiation against the westerners? Americans once played such a role under FDR…
Different “interests” cast “the war” in different lights, with different timelines and different participating factions. What explanation do you find with the least inconsistency? Do you have to make your own model of “reality”?
@Noirette: Inflammation: Obesity and loss of sleep are pro-inflammatory conditions. COVID-19 in the original format, largely killed through inflammation within the circulatory system, the blood-side of the lungs, and other vascular organs, like kidneys, liver, heart and brain.
Anti-inflammatory measures include adequate/optimal vitamin-D, a diet high in fresh vegetables, minimal food additives and processed carbohydrates, healthful oils, a baby-aspirin, some vitamin-C, some vitamin K2, daily activity, and plenty of sleep.
You can see how poor, obese people in northern climes would have a lot of pro-inflammatory overlap.All these problems before us, Recycling, Pollution, Overpopulation, Recessions, Depressions, Topsoil loss, Wars, Pandemics, Elites, Banksters, High Level Graft and Corruption &c will all diminish (though not disappear) as the fossil fuels continue their EROEI decline and all their attendant infrastructures simplify, merge and fade.
It’s beginning to look like Deagel may have been correct. Plant Potatoes (I’m sure glad I did.)
Next time you find yourself stuck talking to a Ukraine supporter, ask them if England should have intervened in the US civil war.
Noirette, I wondered a similar thing (what is the relationship between obesity and COVID-19?) earlier on during the pandemic, and so I collected a number of papers I could download from pubmed and other online public resources. One of the key takeaways: adipose tissueitself acts as a reservoir and production site for SARS-CoV-2 and many other viruses, due to the ACE2 receptors and other biomechanical systems the tissues participate within for signalling inflammation states for the whole body. —This is in addition to aspnaz’s point that obese people have “more medical issues.” Here are just a few of the papers I downloaded, which I’ll link to so you and others can benefit:
“The impact of obesity on the cellular and molecular pathophysiology of COVID-19”
In the lungs, SARS-CoV-2 binds to the ACE2 receptor, upregulating the expression of ACE2 and damaging alveolar cells. [42] The ACE2 receptor is overexpressed in the adipose tissue of COVID-19 patients. [43,44] Since obese people have more adipose tissue, they are expected to have more ACE2 receptors. ACE2 receptors are expressed in monocytes and macrophages, [45] which are also more prevalent in the adipose tissue of obese people. [46,47] It is therefore likely that adipose tissue acts as a viral reservoir and possibly allows for inter-organ transmission. [43,44]”
—See also the next paragraph concerning DPP4. And, those numbers are citations to other papers worth following up with.
“Influence of obesity on serum levels of SARS-CoV-2-specific antibodies in COVID-19 patients”
Results herein show that serum levels of SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibodies are negatively associated with BMI in COVID-19 patients. This result is consistent with the knowledge that obesity is an inflammatory condition associated with inflammaging [1] and metaflammation [50] both of which are negatively associated with a functional immune system [51]. Another result from the present study is the negative association of SARS-CoV-2 IgG antibodies with pulmonary inflammatory markers (SAA, CRP, ferritin) in our cohort of COVID-19 patients. These are major inflammatory mediators and markers of inflammatory lung injury in patients with catastrophic acute respiratory distress syndrome, which is a primary consequence of COVID-19. SAA, CRP and ferritin are known to induce a cascade of pro-inflammatory events leading to the secretion of additional inflammation markers that contribute to the exacerbation of local and systemic inflammation resulting in dysfunctional B cells.
—You can tell this paper was early in the pandemic, since they suggest ADE was not yet verified as occurring with SC2. Interesting also is a brief mention in the paper that linoleic acid (in vitro) has protective effects by binding with SC2, and their research corroborates that.
“Secretion of autoimmune antibodies in the human subcutaneous adipose tissue”
—While not on SC2 specifically, this paper demonstrates how subcutaneous adipose tissue participates in those immune systems, leading to the production of autoantigens, hyperinflammation, neutrophil-infiltration, and assorted other ways the body attacks itself to try and cure its own disease.Not sure if the blockquotes will work out right, but I’ll stop here.
I am, though sympathetic with your main point: it’s easy to hate on “the fatty” and blame them for their own victimhood, even if it is unwitting participation in social behavior that allows them to also be targeted with others for summary destruction. People are quick to say “the elite” want to 1) divide-and-conquer, on their way to 2) destroying the masses (and the massive?), and so their critics want us to “wake up” and see the depopulation event for what it is. But, then, they’ll find some target for their own anger, frustration, rage, whether it’s someone expressing a consistent but different point of view on a website, someone unable to manage their eating habits, someone unable to control their emotions in public spaces, someone who cuts and paste memes replicating their views, &c &c. “See how they divide us?! You don’t!? Stay away from me, then, you ignorant freak and total loser!!” Divided, conquered, habituated to hate: people do unwittingly take up religious rituals looking for a scapegoat, to appease, for a moment, a useless and incurable impotency.
I too find it difficult to know how to live with and redirect my own frustrations and angers, and I can’t just walk into the Temple and whip the money-changers or pretend like a Son of Thunder I’m ready to die with a sword in my hand and a prayer on my mind. Art, or writing, or taking walks in the forests with creeks nearby, but as the neck-tied man with eviction papers tells me, this doesn’t pay the bills.
I see how there are gaps and holes in the social spaces even around me, from people who crawled into their rooms to live forever virtually, fell into tombs to die really, or left for islands or rich coastlines in the Southern Hemisphere. I don’t think any of them are “cowards” though I see and understand that perspective. I don’t think Ayn Rand thought of her own John Galt character as a “coward” for recognizing when it’s right to find another place to make a home —just like I don’t think the geese vees flying overhead lack bravery for getting ahead of the coming winter. So, as I watch the Law Enforcers suiting up, warming up their sonic weapons and microwave emitters in time for the November Event, as I watch the goons in the Red neckerchiefs and Blue hats scrimmaging against the Blue neckerchiefs with the Red hats, as I watch incompetent bureaucrats stand at podiums and lie for the liars who lied to them, I turn instead outwards to my windows, observing that the trees are telling me that the winter that’s coming is going to be very, very cold, dry, and yet feverish. The trees also notice the holes and gaps between them, places where the mycorrhizal network went completely silent, canceled, gone.
Anyway, maybe at some point, citizenx will also catch on that Redneck is not from the USA. But that will cut out a lot of the basis for the invective and not-so-subtle claim for hypocrisy. He’ll think of something, I’m sure of it. Why let accuracy get in the way of a rant on a roll?
I see that Nate at CP talks about the coming extreme censorship that is coming in ‘free and democratic’ nations.
Why haven’t the Chinese population been “given the treatment”? [the fake vaccines] Nor the Russians, according to CP.
Interestingly, the NZ Internet is getting very ‘wobbly’, as the NZ economy is progressively demolished by the totalitarian fascistic globalists, and food and other prices surge. It took 3 minutes for a routine transaction to process at a commercial premises yesterday. And another transaction I attempted would not proceed at all. Meanwhile, access to Internet at home is increasingly fragile.
I am very aware that we could be cut off from real reporting and real news with no notice, or cut off altogether, and left to rot or fight amongst ourselves, if ‘the controllers’ deem that to be to their advantage.
I have to fully agree with Nate when he says: “It’s sad how brainwashed and mind-warped and easily misled people are…”
Amid Energy Crisis, the Green Delusion Collides With Reality… Here’s What Happens Next
Amid Energy Crisis, the Green Delusion Collides With Reality… Here’s What Happens Next
US sponsorship of agitators via giant tech companies to bring about ‘regime change’ in blatant violation of the UN Charter, and then the ensuing catastrophe for the previously stable nations targeted. 1953 revisited in the case of Iran.
Convince people to rise up and destroy their own country.
But this isn’t 1953. I can’t see Russia, China, India etc. allowing the meddling to continue for much longer.
12% of the world versus 88% are not good odds. Especially when the 88% have most of the resources and better technology. And are not fat and lazy and dumbed-down.
“sudden cardiac event”
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2022/10/25/Ashton-Carter-Obama-defense-secretary/6371666708436/
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