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    Jack Delano Conductor picks up message from operator on the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe 1943 While I’m on the Greece topic again today, I can’t help b
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    #21650
    Raleigh
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    Absolutely great writing, Ilargi, and you are right. The lies are getting thicker and thicker. Whoever is colluding (and this no doubt is going on) between governments/bankers and the media in order to get the LIES out there ought to be strung up. How can people even begin to have an opinion when what they read is a bunch of lies? From Wiki:

    “Freedom of the press in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. This clause is generally understood as prohibiting the government from interfering with the printing and distribution of information or opinions…”

    But that’s not what’s happening, is it? Greece, Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Russia, Libya, Snowden, banks, unemployment statistics – it’s all one great big huge pack of lies, half-truths, massaged crapola, and any depth (where all sides are presented equally with facts) is left on the cutting room floor. Otherwise, democracy might get a hold of the facts and start rearing its ugly head! Where is the investigative journalism? It’s dead, sold off to the highest bidder.

    1984 is truly alive and well.

    It was the German and French banks that got that Greek bailout money (92% of it, if I’m not mistaken). It was the U.S. banks that breathed a sigh of relief when that was done because, as Michael Hudson said, the U.S. banks were up to their necks in CDS (insurance) against these bonds and would have suffocated without this bailout. But, no, we can’t have the French and German people knowing this information. Why, they might start feeling some empathy towards the Greek people, and how in the hell are you supposed to “steer and engineer” democracy when that happens? Horror of all horrors, democracy might slip away on you!

    That American puppet (whatever her name is, the one that said “F*ck the EU) is actually calling for Ukraine’s debt (because the Russians hold a lot of it) to be declared “odious debt” (debt taken on by previous administrations) and calling for the Ukraine to renege on that debt.

    Well, if it’s good for the Ukraine, why isn’t it good for the Greeks? Their prior administration wasn’t exactly looking out for them either. Why isn’t their debt “odious”?

    Correct me, anybody, if I’ve got this wrong. I can’t keep up with all of the lies. Boy, you can sure understand the importance of having a free media, lots of it, not the monopolized media we have now.

    Great writing, Ilargi.

    #21651
    Raleigh
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    Re Trans-Pacific Partnership treaty – more lies! This is being presented to the American people as a glorious treaty – jobs, jobs, jobs for the American public. Lies, just like NAFTA.

    President Obama says at 5:43 of the following video: “If I did not think that smart new trade deals were the right thing to do for working families, I wouldn’t be fighting for it.”

    But as Bill Still says at 6:16 of the same video: “If TPP is so great, why are we voting extra unemployment benefits to the millions of Americans [the TAA – Trade Adjustment Assistance part of the bill] who will be put out of work as a result? And where will the extra money come from? One guess: we will be borrowing it. So let’s get this straight. We will be borrowing money we don’t have from banks, who don’t have the money either (they just get to make it up), so that we can finance unemployment benefits to millions of Americans who will be thrown out of work as a result of the passage of the Trans-Pacific Partnership Treaty, despite its advocates claiming that no one will be thrown out of work, that it will actually result in more American jobs. Do we have that straight now?”

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=230245

    They all know (that’s why they should be labeled as traitors and thrown in jail) that they’re lying. What’s going to happen is exactly what Ross Perot said would happen with NAFTA: a giant sucking sound (as factories and jobs head elsewhere).

    Democracy’s new name should be lyocracy. You wonder how they get away with it sometimes. They must be laughing at how stupid people are to believe them. But when you’re not given the information, when you’re told a pack of lies, how else are you going to think any differently? You’re not. It takes a lot of effort and a hell of a lot of information to unwind a lie. By that time, the damage is already done.

    #21654
    Diogenes Shrugged
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    I’m reminded of a scene from the Clint Eastwood movie “Unforgiven.”

    Replace the word “deserve” with the word “democracy” and imagine Greece (Eastwood) properly concluding its relationship with the Euro (Hackman).

    Democracy’s got nothing to do with it.

    Aaron Russo talking to Alex Jones back in 1999 (watch just over three minutes – – until the subject changes to the Federal Reserve):

    Quoting Alex Jones:
    “In a constitutional republic, a minority is protected against the majority.”

    Quoting Russo:
    “You hear George Bush saying ‘democracy means freedom.’ No, ‘Democracy’ equals New World Order. Democracy equals slavery. Democracy is not synonymous with freedom. It’s the opposite of freedom. Democracy is the worst form of government you can have because it’s majority rule, and the government can tell you exactly what they want you to do (ostensibly) because ‘the majority wants it.'”

    I added the word ‘ostensibly’ because it’s no longer possible to sort truth from lies when politicians make claims about support for something.

    By the way, front to back, that interview is worth every minute.

    #21656
    Diogenes Shrugged
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    Sorry, my error. That Russo interview took place sometime between 2003 (when the Iraq war started) and 2007, when Russo died.

    #21657
    Diogenes Shrugged
    Participant

    Double post / ignore

    #21661
    VisionHawk
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    To answer the question….. no, telling Lies is never a Democratic right – nor any other form of “right”.
    That comes from those who feel that the end justifies the means – and it never does.
    It is the Journey (and how well you travel it) that is important – not the destination.

    As to going to Greece….wow!
    Felt like doing the same a few days ago, as I am over the Moon about where the Greeks will find themselves soon – with a far stronger sense of Self, and community – and knowing that they did what was right for them.
    Brilliant. And thank you for having the courage and strength to show the way…..

    #21674
    John Day
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    I looked at this Champion piece yesterday and was just disgusted. It’s like he wrote it on a tight schedule when he had a hangover, mean and just wrong, like the crap in Ukraine.

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