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March 12, 2012 at 1:05 pm #8591ashvinParticipant
Ambrose Evans-Pritchard’s latest article for the Telegraph provides some great data on a theme that TAE readers are quite familiar with – the absence
[See the full post at: The Global Liquidity Peak]March 12, 2012 at 2:06 pm #1597
“A full global recovery this year may disguise this for a little longer. Any relapse will bring matters to a head yet again within months.”
So there’s a full global recovery expected?March 12, 2012 at 3:48 pm #1601ashvinParticipant
Candace wrote: So there’s a full global recovery expected?
I don’t get that last part either, but, no, there’s no full global recovery expected by anyone who has the least bit of awareness and common sense.March 12, 2012 at 4:43 pm #1604jalParticipant
There has to be a global recovery.
Its an other word for exponential growth.
Reality is that if one part of the globe has growth then it has to be at the expense of another part of the globe. Since we have reached peak everything we have also reached a zero sum game.
I’m sure that a simple example for newbies will suffice.
German wants to grow its production, (GDP), BUT it can no longer lends money to the greeks to buy their products.
Greece has an austerity, must cut its purchases, so its GDP goes down and since Germany cannot sell its production because they do not have any money then Germany’s GDP goes down.
Cut off the loans and you cut off the growth.
See … If you cannot have growth then you got to invent a new system.March 12, 2012 at 6:31 pm #1608FrannyMember
So the Fed just can’t print money forever? D’oh!
What are the other practical, political and legal limits on Fed money printing? Obviously the Fed has learned that QE brings uncomfortably high food and energy prices and political heat. What will they try next? A lot of people are speculating that the Fed will go into the market and buy distressed mortgages at above market prices. What if the Fed loaded up on mortgages and ignored defaults, i.e. failed to foreclose on defaulting homeowners. That would be a creative way to drop money from helicopters.March 12, 2012 at 7:08 pm #1609Reverse EngineerMember
ashvin post=1201 wrote: [quote=Candace]So there’s a full global recovery expected?
I don’t get that last part either, but, no, there’s no full global recovery expected by anyone who has the least bit of awareness and common sense.
I don’t think AEP expects a recovery. He is a financial writer for the MSM though, so he has to throw in the party line Hopium.March 12, 2012 at 11:20 pm #1612bluebirdParticipant
ashvin said “there’s no full global recovery expected by anyone who has the least bit of awareness and common sense.”
That’s the problem with people I know. Although they are intelligent and college-educated, they are clueless about anything global. A few did mention an economic downturn, but I am told it is just a blip. Nothing to worry about, as the economy always recovers.March 13, 2012 at 1:32 am #1614
I keep running into “it’s just part of the business cycle” response. I just don’t have enough expertise to convince people that this isn’t just a standard boom/bust cycle.
People I know are still planning on taking on massive debt. I can’t seem to find the right way to tell them that it is a really bad idea. Very dis-heartening.March 13, 2012 at 3:48 am #1617
Things haven’t changed much in the last couple of millennia.. Just look at what the average Roman was up to in Pompeii when he was caught by the pyroclastic cloud rolling down Vesuvius. Recent evidence indicates that most of them were watching Dancing with Dionysus. They didn’t have potatoes (they was invented in Peru) but they certainly had couches.March 13, 2012 at 4:06 am #1619PatrickMember
Candace, at the risk of sounding unkind, perhaps it’s not your job to tell people not to take on debt or convince them of anything. People who plan to say, buy houses during a housing bubble are not really in a listening mood. You might try passing on sites like TAE and some others that are sounding a warning and suggest that they look at contrary evidence. Look back at your own journey and see how long it took you to educate yourself and realize that most people are not going see what’s happening before it crashes down around them.March 13, 2012 at 4:09 am #1620PatrickMember
Heh, heh, so much better put El gall…March 13, 2012 at 1:11 pm #1625
True enough. But massive student loan debt is just so sad. It seems middle class people can’t imagine that their kids should go without a “certificate of middle-classness”. No going to the ju-co for the first two years either, gotta keep up with the other kids starting out at four-year schools.
My mom was born in 25. I was raised waiting for the next “great depression”. I had an unfair advantage in gaining my doomer perspective. 😉March 13, 2012 at 1:52 pm #1626GreenwoodMember
“…..and yet in our world everybody thinks of changing humanity, but nobody thinks of changing himself.”
~Leo Tolstoy’s Pamphlets~March 13, 2012 at 4:50 pm #1627
Agree. Spiritual evolution is a very individual thing. Trying to force feed others about this is like trying to teach a dog to eat with its hind end. The good news is that if one can improve oneself, it will effect others positively through “osmosis.” But it is hard to see people close to oneself drinking the economic Kool-Aide. The kids are trapped now. They are buying the BS about education as the road to the American Dream because they don’t want to compete with 30 others for a scholarship to Mickey D U. The current expansion of credit in the US is based entirely on student debt. And it is no accident that it was made a life long sentence 7 years ago, courtesy of the Cartel. It’s become the much touted Einstein definition of insanity. If that BA didn’t work, then I oughta double down for another $100k and get an MA or MBA.
As to the quote by Lev Tolstoy:
His literal interpretation of the ethical teachings of Jesus, centering on the Sermon on the Mount, caused him in later life to become a fervent Christian anarchist and anarcho-pacifist. His ideas on nonviolent resistance, expressed in such works as The Kingdom of God Is Within You, were to have a profound impact on such pivotal twentieth-century figures as Mohandas Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr.
I have a bit of PTSD with Tolstoy. During the final exam of my final course in Russian in university, I had to translate a couple of pages of Anna Karenina (when she sneaks into her estranged husband’s house to visit her young son) into English. That was 45 years ago. I can’t remember 10 words in Russian, but that scene is embedded in my brain 🙂March 13, 2012 at 5:17 pm #1629Golden OxenParticipant
These poor kids starting their adult life with burdensome student loan debts is a sad situation indeed; especially when all the adults in their life, whom they look to for help and guidance, tell them it is the only way to go. Starting life in the grip of the banksters, how horrible.March 13, 2012 at 8:10 pm #1632
Well, in a couple of years when the 55+ cohort get their clocks thoroughly cleaned, the younguns will be better off. Geezers going to start to pick cotton? I can barely reach my laces 🙂March 13, 2012 at 9:50 pm #1635rhebaParticipant
@ ElG “I can barely reach my laces” Maybe we should talk about this over on the Lifeboat pages! Could be a common problem among the old doomers.March 13, 2012 at 10:24 pm #1638BC Nurse ProfMember
We may be closer to the brink than many realize:
“Ben Bernanke has once again said “No QE for now, but we are not out of the woods”. Observers need to wise up to the fact that this is a man who knows he must hold his fire, for far worse is coming.
Despite this, JP Morgan and Bank of America seem to have passed the Federal Reserve’s stress tests. JPM I can get behind, but BoA? Stress tests, I increasingly believe, are so-called because they are primarily designed to reduce global investor stress.
It would be good to feel that the European Troika knows what is down the road. I’m sure Lagarde does, but the rest leave me more convinced than ever that rising to top positions has very little to do with creative talent. There was much talk today in Brussels of slapping Spain’s Rajoy down, with the IMF declaring that Portugal is ‘on track’. There was in turn further gobblegaggle on the subject of Greece now undershooting its 2020 deficit target. Mind you, it was Wolfie Strangelove who said this, so we must judge the observation for what it is: unmitigated bollocks.
Jens Weidmann of the German Bundesbank continues to be a thorn in Mario Draghi’s side. Just when the Italian Stallion thinks he’s got away with another scam, Herr Weidmann bashes him with more statistics to demonstrate what a dangerous game the ECB is playing. Today – in a bid to ram home the message as loudly as possible – Jens reported that Bundesbank profits had fallen from €2.2bn in 2010 to just €643m in 2011 “after substantially increasing reserves set aside to cover risks associated with the ECB’s crisis-fighting measures”. Take that, you Dummkopf Schweinhund.
Meanwhile, the EU’s FinMin agreed to suspend transfers to Hungary of its share of funds for poorer countries on the grounds that it had dared to contradict a Sprout edict. The UK, Austria and Poland thought this was a bit heavy, so the compromise is that the funds could be reinstated in June if FinMin ‘determines that the government is working to bring its budget policies in line with EU rules’. Orders vill be obeyed at all timess.
Still no news on the hard-to-explain-away 107 bn euro pot of further Greek liabilities. Or indeed on the fact that the EU is sticking very strictly indeed to a policy of bailing Athens out with worthless paper. Or indeed on the subject of all those deal-dependent things that the Athens government hasn’t done as yet. As long as the ‘bailout’ is being funded with toilet-tissue, I’m sure the Eurocrats will be happy to go along with it. But my water tells me Venizelos is in for an imminent kidney-punch.
China is slowing down while trying to grapple with the wriggling dragon formerly known as the property market. It’s also dumping Dollar debt as fast as it can, as the Currency Wars that Jim O’Neill says don’t exist continue to escalate. Nobody seems to have given a lot of MSM thought to how the US will borrow if that policy continues. Beijing must not, of course, sew up the mouth that devours its output. But I continue to wonder what America will do when China achieves a degree of self-sufficiency, and then decides to focus 100% on supplying its own population with what it needs to become eternally placid.
The West in general – and former Goldman Sachs employees in particular – continue to pin their hopes on inflationary subterfuge that will eventually dilute the obscene debt. The chances of them doing this without Chinese retaliation are zero. But rather more to the point, if (in the act of trying to dilute debt) you let loose funny money to the value of ten times global GDP, who will benefit?
The short answer is ‘Nobody’. But we are dealing with Masters of the Universe here: we must not intervene, for they know what they are at, whereas we are mere mortals unable to understand their mysterious ways.
Perhaps a bit heavy on the irony pedal there. However, the reality is that contagion will escape, banks will not be prepared for a wall of monetising requirements, and by the end of 2013 at the very latest the entire Hollywood-set facade-folly will have crashed to the ground. For all I know, it may do so the week after next. Nobody knows. Let’s face it: if anyone did, they wouldn’t be arsing about writing blogs like this one.” – John WardMarch 13, 2012 at 11:00 pm #1639
The Troika policy could best be summed up by one of the favorite tee shirts on my former Caribbean island home.
“The floggings will continue until morale improves.”
“But rather more to the point, if (in the act of trying to dilute debt) you let loose funny money to the value of ten times global GDP, who will benefit?”
Well as I mentioned earlier, this would amount to a de facto global Jubilee. Money for nothing and your chicks for free. Well, maybe not that good, but Joe & Jane Bagodonuts could pay off their mortgage just by diverting a wheel barrow of fiat from their home heating system to the bank holding the title (assuming there is one and it could be found), and Joe Jr. can temporarily halt his earnest discussions on Facebook regarding the last Spiderman comic book episode and pay off his MBA with a second trip with the family wheel barrow.
I doubt this is either Jamie or his shadowy bosses most pleasant dream. But to answer your question more directly – J6P more than any other foreseeable outcome, particularly a deflationary depression.March 14, 2012 at 8:16 am #1648isttMember
All I know is I keep hearing gloom and doom as the markets race higher. Contrary to the constant claim of the banks being all but dead, they were way up yesterday. When does this gloom and doom scenario actually start to become reality?March 14, 2012 at 8:30 am #1649GlennjeffParticipant
Just an opinion, but, THEY can fiddle the books and monetize and print ad infinitum and are obsessed enough to do so. When energy limits kick in, aint no voodoo gonna keep it afloat. Thats well before the end of the decade. Geological time scales do tend to drag on for us mortals.
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