The Seductive Promises of Counterfeit CULTures
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The thing is, is that the forces of centralization are running up against entropy. Decentralization is a fact of our future. It will be.
What remains to be written is the level of federalism, but we can rest assured regional autonomy will be near total.
A problem, of course, is the time frame. But I am a big believer of just starting to do things because they are inevitable. It is inevitable we will all spend much more energy gardening, so we might as well start gardening now.
Interesting line of thought…
I don’t know how that could be played here…but in Europe?My concern,and I think it will be one that many would raise,would be the balkanization of regional differences…enforced by a soul-less milltary…with little imput from regions affected by “Executive Decisions”……
Isn’t that one of the beefs that many have,decisions “MADE IN BRUSSELS” are implemented w/o any consideration/imput of those impacted?And no possible resistance from a county-sized region,rather than a state…I am sure that the smart ones would see the “old divide and conquer”played with a new twist…at least I hope they would..Bee good,or
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Hi Ashvin,
Again to quote the good Dr Gall:
“Systems are like babies: once you get one, you have it. They don’t go away. On the contrary, they display the most remarkable persistence. They not only persist; they grow. And as they grow, they encroach…
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SYSTEMS TEND TO EXPAND TO FILL THE KNOWN UNIVERSEThat this outcome does not occur in fact is due to the existence of various inhibitory forces.” (caps in original) (From: John Gall, 2002, “The Systems Bible”, p.17.)
The ‘various inhibitory forces’ in this case being nature… but I imagine a ‘new regime’ might well appear, one that might think it will ‘last a thousand years’, but on natures daily time scales even this is but a millisecond.
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Sid.There’s a pretty relevant example of a central state with something similar to our globalized trade network breaking down as the ever-increasing costs of maintaining empire cross with repeated wars of succession resulting in a massive devaluation of the currency reducing everyone to a barter economy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_of_the_Third_Century
All the current eurozone can-kicking really just eats away at confidence in the system. The current eurozone economic downturn is due (I believe) as much to debt as it is to a complete lack of confidence in what the future holds. As unrest spreads, economic activity will continue to retreat, nations will draw in on themselves, and our global economy will wither. Attempts at more centralization may just increase instability rather than reducing it.
As reported in the Third Century:
…this vast internal trade network broke down. The widespread civil unrest made it no longer safe for merchants to travel as they once had, and the financial crisis that struck made exchange very difficult with the debased currency. This produced profound changes that, in many ways, would foreshadow the very decentralized economic character of the coming Middle Ages.
Large landowners, no longer able to successfully export their crops over long distances, began producing food for subsistence and local barter. Rather than import manufactured goods from the empire’s great urban areas, they began to manufacture many goods locally, often on their own estates, thus beginning the self-sufficient “house economy” that would become commonplace in later centuries, reaching its final form in the Middle Ages’ manorialism. The common free people of the Roman cities, meanwhile, began to move out into the countryside in search of food and better protection.
Read the entire article to see what happens to the formerly free peoples of the cities. It’s not ideal.
Hi Ash,
Just a clarification from my POV… “Selfless” is not a good thing. Caring for others EQUAL to oneself is the only attribute that will lead to peace, harmony and prosperity over time.
One needs to have a healthy sense of self – exactly equal to their sense of other people… which should also be healthy.
I bet that’s probably the concept you meant when you used the word “selfless,” but it can easily be misconstrued as valuing others as more worthy than oneself.
I believe that view is quite unhealthy.
IMHO, a paradigm of equality is where it is at longer term.
TheTrivium4TW post=4811 wrote:
IMHO, a paradigm of equality is where it is at longer term.Hey Triv,
I agree, one should not diminish oneself. The Golden Rule counts as “selfless” in my book.
ashvin post=4815 wrote: [quote=TheTrivium4TW post=4811]
IMHO, a paradigm of equality is where it is at longer term.Hey Triv,
I agree, one should not diminish oneself. The Golden Rule counts as “selfless” in my book.
Hi Ash, I thought so, however, I’m pointing out that “selfless” is a word that will confuse some of your audience as it implies, well, “self” and “less.”What you think it means isn’t very important, it is what your readers will think it means. Some will “get it,” others will not.
My kid read a biography on Socrates. I asked him to tell me about Socrates. He said, “He thought a lot.” I asked what he thought about. “Words.”
The kid of 1,000 words, I know. 😉
Then it was made even more clear that one of the most powerful manipulation tools the social engineers use to manipulate the proles are the building blocks of the language itself.
In almost all instances, words/phrases like communism, free market, democracy, republic, capitalism and socialism are used incorrectly and confuse the listener(s).
None of those words or ideas express the truth of the world we live in – each is an engineered deception to prevent the proles from realizing the truth.
More accurate words are plutocracy, fascism, soft oligarch controlled dictatorship, hard oligarch controlled dictatorship and corporatocracy.
But the accurate words reveal the truth – and the truth is bad. So the false narrative is repeated over and over and over – even by well meaning people who are just reflecting the false narrative that inundated them throughout their lives.
The system promotes the lies… Since people don’t want the hassles that go along with the truth, they are apt to not only accept the lies, but embraces the lies.
Words are important – Socrates had some incredible insight when he made it a priority to simply sit back and meditate on the meaning of words, the building blocks of language, and how they could be used to create a false reality that benefits the dictators (be they soft or hard).
I guarantee you the average duped Republican envisions something far, far, far different than the average duped Democrat when the word “socialism” is expressed. Same word – very, very different meanings. That’s a very big problem and the [D]elites benefit from proletariat confusion.
I’m not immune from using words that fall short of my intended meaning. I created the term Debt Dollar Tyranny, but RE pointed out that wasn’t accurate as more than the dollar is effected by debt money fraud. He suggested Debt Money Tyranny was more accurate.
That’s the term I use now – Debt Money Tyranny – because it is simply more accurate and will result in less confusion.
Triv,
What you are saying is true – the language and words we use are very important to the underlying mentality we have.
I kinda take back what I just said, though. Treating people equal to yourself is, of course, a great and admirable mentality to have. But, IMO, there is nothing wrong with being selfless to the point of valuing the interest of others more than the interest of oneself in certain situations. A prominent example would obviously be those who have sacrificed their lives for the lives of other people or in the name of higher virtues. Selflessness also implies a sense of trust to me, i.e trusting in higher values/principles to the point of unconditionally surrendering yourself to them. In some ways, it is recognizing that you do not truly belong to yourself, but someone or something else.
I know there are times in which such a mentality can be abused by the wicked against the unwary, such as in counterfeit cults, but that doesn’t make the genuine model of selflessness any less genuine. If you still feel that is a bad thing, I wouldn’t mind hearing why.
You guys all want to play by the same social system rules, albeit different set of rules to what we have now. How about something completely different…
Through the short term pain we learn that the only way to organise ourselves is through a significantly heightened sense of service to humanity and the planet – our values attached to individualism is reduced in direct correlation to the devaluing of our egos.
Use that as your golden rule and John Lennon’s ‘Imagine’ starts to ring true. Don’t need boundaries, just respect. Don’t need money, just trust. Don’t need a war either BTW. There is no rule out there that says we need to go down pain street for a long time.
How about we use this pressure cooker experience to evolve rather than at best stay the same (only smaller) or devolve a 1000 years or so.
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