April 20, 2014 at 11:58 am #12419
Jack Delano Farwell, Texas, at the New Mexico state line. March 1943 LEAP2020 is a European political/economic research institute that doesn’t shy awa
[See the full post at: The United States’ Desperate Solutions For Not Sinking Alone]April 20, 2014 at 4:25 pm #12420
How can this one sided rant masquerading as objective analysis be taken seriously? There is no master plan. I wish there were.April 20, 2014 at 4:51 pm #12421
Fair enough, chettt, but maybe the question is: what other “analysis” could be taken more seriously than this one? I can’t think of any, other than my own. And that”s not me tooting my own horn, I simply see all sorts of people jumping to all sorts of conclusions, likely because they’re all out of their league, while I only ask questions.April 20, 2014 at 5:06 pm #12422rapierParticipant
Well Obama just declared war on Russia
” Mr. Obama is focused on isolating President Vladimir V. Putin’s Russia by cutting off its economic and political ties to the outside world, limiting its expansionist ambitions in its own neighborhood and effectively making it a pariah state.”
Funny the article doesn’t mention methane. Good luck with cutting off that economic tie with the “outside world”. Is China the outside world? No, I think they are destined to be the enemy too.
This will now function as a line in the sand to determine domestic enemies. Show me a skeptic about the popular version of events in Ukraine and I will show you a subversive. Since Obama did it no Democrat can be against it. Except the occasional back bencher. Nobody running for president is going to be soft on Russia. Instead our national politicians are going to be falling all over themselves to be the toughest on Russia.April 20, 2014 at 5:18 pm #12425
While you are a tad cynical yourself Raul, you do not start with the conclusions before you do the analysis. I appreciate that.
A review of past publications from LEAP2020 show their analysis to be primarily anti-american hyperbole and a poor predictor of future events. I only wish that the US were as cunningly effective at world domination as the folks at LEAP seem to think. Unfortunately it seems the priority for the US and everyone else is myopic self preservation. The world needs and will eventually have a world government. It’s the only way the big problems can possibly be addressed. The question in my mind is how do we get from here to there.April 20, 2014 at 5:41 pm #12426
LEAP2020 is not anti-American, it’s a European view. Tons of university degrees and all that, but as I said it works for and against them at the same time. The world will never have one government, so you can shove that notion aside and engage in more fruitful thinking. Or maybe I should say that as soon as there is a one world government, all hell’s going to break loose all over the globe; that we already effectively have such a government is a whole other issue. And it is the worst possible way, not the only, to address “the big problems”.April 20, 2014 at 6:57 pm #12427
European view? How civilized. More precisely it’s a “Why doesn’t Europe run the world?” point of view. The notion that future problems of resource scarcity, overpopulation and climate issues will be cordially work out between nation states is delusional. The planet gets smaller every year. And sure, I can see how sinister a one world government could potentially be but the task is not to dismiss the concept out of hand but to find a way to make it work.
Each year technology makes it easier and easier to destroy life on earth as we know it. A century ago no single or combined entity was capable of destroying the earth. How many single entities are capable of it now? How many more in 20 years?
Hoping that reason will prevail is certainly one strategy but I fear that rising that far above our human nature has long odds indeed.April 20, 2014 at 11:54 pm #12428ProfessorlocknloadParticipant
Can’t imagine a “World Government” either, anytime soon. National constituencies are too fond of democracy for that to happen, along with the Internet Reformation creating new avenues in the opposite direction,,,ones of empowerment at more local levels.
Even if a World governing body evolved into something viable, it would most likely be efficient at only one solution to the problems mentioned above, population eradication/control, at which central planning has so many times in history proven it’s mettle.
As for LEAP, been on that page long enough to classify it as “average” in the doom-say department. No, I don’t see this quite as conspiratorial as I do Machiavellian-gone-haywire.
Like, the Princes were absent the day the lesson turned to cat herding. Especially in this info age in which cats have so many alternate opinion formation choices available just a couple clicks away.
I’ll posit, this mad scramble for survival taking place by all power centers isn’t as well orchestrated as some might imagine. In my estimation it more resembles a war, in that, in the beginning, intentions were noble and consensual, but the strategy was taken over by the random and unknowable forces all wars follow as they develop a life of their own. “The best made plans,” and all that.
The power that rises to the thrones of Central Planning is most always psychopathic, but if today’s highly placed egos sprouted consciences and took an objective gander at this clusterfuck we all find ourselves in, they included,, do we suppose they might have done crisis management a bit differently, say, if they could be transported back 6 years, or even a few decades?
Did Adolf and Franklin and Winston and Hirohito know the outcome when they all climbed into the ring together? Did the millions of innocent players who perished in the storm?
So, yes, the road to hell is, as usual, paved by our great anointed leaders. Still, I gotta wonder where the revolution is?
Thank’s all for enlightening to the work of Marquez. I’ll put all this financial turbulence back in the box for a while and give him a read. It will all pass anyway, given time.April 21, 2014 at 3:24 am #12429RaleighParticipant
Chettt – “I only wish that the US were as cunningly effective at world domination as the folks at LEAP seem to think.”
I think they are cunningly effective. Smedley Butler, the most decorated Marine in history, describes fighting for U.S. banks in many of the wars he fought in.
“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins is a really good read. Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein is excellent as well (and I couldn’t even finish reading all of it because it made me sick).
Who’s advancing, Chettt? If we got answers to Ilargi’s above questions, that would sure help, but I somehow don’t think they’ll be answered. Who is the one country who’s aggressing all over the world?April 21, 2014 at 8:36 am #12430DParticipant
LEAP’s prediction record seems to have been spotty in the times I have followed it. They may have an EU view, but that does not make them right all that often when the big dog USA is calling the shots.
We have made a royal mess (as usual) of the Ukraine thing. We pissed away $6 BILLION so far there? for WHAT? Who made THAT dumbass decision? Heck we could give every US food stamp recipient roughly $125 (ALL 47 MILLION of them) and get better bang for the buck than this cluster***k.
And now the Admin wants to “double down” on a guy who has beat them over and over again?
Makes me long for the Bush years… The Bush team may have been stupid, but not stupid enough to poke the “the bear” with a stick.April 22, 2014 at 1:34 pm #12447pipefitParticipant
LEAP’s main argument is that the USA is more of a basket case than the EU. Using the Euro/dollar ratio as a crude proxy, they appear to be marginally correct.
In all probability, the USA (and the dollar) will continue to lose ground to the EU (Euro). We are much more dependent on crude oil, which will continue to rise in price due the exhaustion of oil supplies from the legacy cheap oil fields. There is still plenty of oil, but it is expensive (to produce) oil.
A 1-world, all powerful state is certainly inevitable, on an inhabited planet. The nuclear cleanup in Japan is going to take multiple decades. There are hundreds of these places around the world, and more are still being built.
As far as when it will happen, they can force the issue whenever they want to, with a freezing up of the bank clearing system. They might blame it on terrorists, and say that we MUST have a 1-world currency immediately, to prevent a repeat. In the ensuing panic, it will be an easy sell.April 22, 2014 at 6:46 pm #12458
Assuming that the euro survives is one huge bet
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