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    William Sauro Yoko Ono and John Lennon, “War Is Over If You Want It,” Times Square, New York1969     On February 24 2022, after either 30+ y
    [See the full post at: War Is Over If You Want It]

    #106151
    Germ
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    Must listen.

    #106154
    userzeroid
    Participant

    Around the time of the Syrian conflict I had numerous online conversations about war. One was with a member of the UK Green party whose response to UK involvement in Syria was to arm the KDP with stinger missiles.

    War in the hands of politicians becomes just another abstract notion of bean counting bureaucracy. The last people who should be in charge of anything to do with conflict are politicians. The military have a conflict of interest despite them being best equipped to strike, their whole purpose is to bomb, blitz and barrage the enemy into oblivion. Not a particularly good strategy to building any lasting peace. With crooked politicians and trigger-happy military in full control, we are up the creek without a paddle.

    We have a West which has long past having any moral compass. Siding with Kolomoyskyi’s puppet who partners with Nationalist killers and heralds Stephan Bandera as a national hero for Ukraine puts Western nations in a particularly ominous spot. We deserve worse than a few nukes should the US/UK/Europe/NATO and its willing partners continue on this path. Scenes like those from Mad Max will greet us with open arms for many future generations by beckoning such moral degeneracy. The Russians are not to be messed with but they do not commit Genocide. That is the territory for Right Sector, Azov Battalion and Svoboda.

    #106156
    John Day
    Participant

    But the failing petrobuck-empire NEEDS WW-3, needs it badly, and should properly lose it…

    #106159

    Raul,
    I have been hoping you would augment your news aggregate with one of your essays, and in this you did not disappoint.

    I follow the Ukraine situation mainly through the words of the Saker, Pepe Escobar, Mike Hudson, Andrei Martynov, Scott Ritter and others who present the “other” view. As such, I was reading your take above and was impressed that you seem to read the same aforementioned analysts. I am looking forward to the AE community’s comments as they often have additional perspectives to factor in.

    Thanks for this Easter present Raul.

    #106160
    zerosum
    Participant

    WHAT …… Russia has WWIII military hardware …..
    https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russian-long-range-bombers-strike-ukraine-1st-time-war
    “On April 14, two Russian strategic heavy bombers Tu-95/-160 have launched cruise missiles hitting the territory of Ukraine from Krasnodar Krai of Russian Federation airspace,” he said. “Also for the first time from the start of the armed aggression bombs were dropped by a long-range bombers Tu-22M3. This airstrike took place, hitting Mariupol.”

    Does the USA listen
    Additionally, Moscow has freshly warned Washington this week to stop supplying arms to Kiev, warning of “unpredictable consequences” to come by continuing down this path. Indeed given Russia is now losing entire warships, and with a crew of over 500 having to be evacuated, the war has just entered a new unpredictable phase.
    Impunity – exemption from punishment or freedom from the injurious consequences of an action:

    #106161
    Figmund Sreud
    Participant

    @ Dr. John Day
    ——————-

    You go Dr. Day! It’s precisely what’s going on, … and there is no stoping this madness! Neocons believe that WW-3 will be just like the other two worldly wars, … will be fought just in Europe and perhaps parts of Asia, … and the U.S. will simply watch from the distance – from its North American Island – and profiting from it through sales and shipments of armaments to the epicentre! And upon the final end of the war, will continue to profit from rebuilding the war ravaged lands. Fools!

    Anyway, … It is just 100 seconds to midnight! ( Just sayin’, … )

    F.S.

    #106162
    Figmund Sreud
    Participant

    @zerosum
    “Also for the first time from the start of the armed aggression bombs were dropped by a long-range bombers Tu-22M3. This airstrike took place, hitting Mariupol.”
    _______________________

    Probably just a propaganda fib. Why would you use long-range bombers if Krasnodar Krai is just relatively short skip and a jump distance from Mariupol to the east? Now, if Mariupol was in a vicinity of say, … Warshington, … that certainly would make military sense.

    F.S.

    #106163
    Germ
    Participant

    I have found the Duran to provide the most cogent daily analysis of the ongoing conflict.
    Highly recommend:

    https://www.youtube.com/c/TheDuran/videos

    #106169
    Archie
    Participant

    This editorial opinion piece is an excellent companion to Raul’s fine essay. Imo, it is not hyperbole that civilization as we know it is at stake.

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/04/15/ukraine-conflict-marks-end-of-era-dominated-by-western-power/

    #106170
    Archie
    Participant

    Sorry for the duplication of links.

    The military conflict in Ukraine is not about a narrow conflict between Ukraine and Russia. It is but the outward sign of a bigger confrontation between, on the one hand, the U.S.-led Western order and, on the other, nations like Russia, China, and others who refuse to accept a subordinate role. Our interview with Bruce Gagnon this week elucidates the bigger geopolitical picture and what is at stake.

    A sure sign of the bigger dimensions is the way the U.S., NATO, and European allies have rapidly deployed a total hybrid war on Russia, in an attempt to destroy the latter’s economy. The Western claims about “defending democracy, sovereignty, and international law” are contemptible and fraudulent. By funneling weapons to a repressive, corrupt regime whose military is infested with Nazi regiments?

    No, the U.S. and its Western allies are using the conflict – one which Russia assiduously tried to avoid by making reasonable appeals for security treaties with NATO – as an opportunity to crush Russia. And it’s not simply about crushing Russia. It’s about crushing any challenge to the Western order. That inevitably involves confrontation with China and others who seek to defy the “Washington Consensus”.

    #106171
    boilingfrog
    Participant

    Raul,
    Very much appreciate your thoughts when you “step in” amongst the exhausting work of aggregating the important issues each day. Thank you Thank you Thank you
    A restful sleep for you tonight (me hopes)

    #106173
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Thanks Ilargi; a great read…and you nailed it, IMO…

    I get the impression the U.S. is almost gleeful in directly confronting Russia militarily in Ukraine…
    It’s a very sick effort possibly resulting in a nuclear exchange. It’s a situation in which everybody would lose; but Russia would lose least…

    #106174
    Figmund Sreud
    Participant

    @Archie
    ———————-

    From provided link most important snip (bold added by moi)

    “Our special military operation aims to put an end to the unfettered expansions and unfettered course towards total domination of the US and other Western states under it on the international arena,” he [Lavrov] said.

    An unambiguously explicit and direct statement, I say.

    F.S.

    #106175
    Figmund Sreud
    Participant

    Latest musings from Helmer:

    [A]fter the fight to the last Ukrainian, what of the Ukraine?

    UKRAINE IS SMASHED – THIS IS HOW IT WILL BE REPAIRED

    UKRAINE IS SMASHED – THIS IS HOW IT WILL BE REPAIRED

    #106176
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Germ #106151

    I listened…I learned…
    Thanks, a great vid…Mark Crispin Miller is exrtaordinary and nails all the points succinctl;y…

    #106177
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    “War is over! If you want it.” Is an apt thought. Five decades ago when Times Square was photographed, the Best and Brightest lied to themselves and ignored intelligence that Vietnam was a civil war and the American invasion was really in support of the wrong side. The decades long Ukraine conflict is an ethnic civil war between Western Ukrainians and Russians within the Soviet created nation. The Russia Federation invaded to support their brethren. Except, it is hard wired for humans to defend their homes and families from invading outsiders i.e. Yankees. Rulers keep forgetting this. Untermenschen simply do not matter to Overlords.

    WWIII is in its initial stages. All side’s PSYOPS are spreading big lie propaganda that contradicts each other. Russia is gathering armor and manpower for attack west when the grain fields dry out. NATO is resupplying Ukraine. If enough howitzers and ammunition make it to the front lines, together with human courage, this will determine if Ukrainians will blunt the Russian attack or not. Russia’s goal is clear, demilitarized Ukraine and eliminate neo-Nazis. If Russia seizes western Ukraine, NATO will use tactical nuclear weapons to prevent the invasion of Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and Romania. Likewise, Russia will use tactical nuclear weapons, if its goals are thwarted.

    The only way out is a peace treaty/armistice that partitions Ukraine with Russia keeping Crimea, Donbass and the conquered land east of the Dnieper River. A DMZ must be established alone the line of contact manned by Eastern Europeans to prevent shelling and future conflicts. Like past partitions, there will be ethnic cleansing on either side of the DMZ.

    But, Talks have broken down. The battlefield will determine the future. As long as the West continues to push for regime change in the Kremlin, and won’t accept a peace settlement, the use of tactical nuclear weapons becomes inevitable.

    #106193
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “white smoke covering an area of the plant after an explosion. Another said he felt immediately unable to breathe … Russia should encircle it and “smoke out the moles”

    You do know that tear gas is a “chemical weapon”, right? So if you’re alive, what? They’re really, really bad at inventing/making/delivering them? Want to sniff the backpack to see if it’s Sarin? Yes, infantile. Not a lick of logic in a posse of them. Okay, what weapons? The ones that had smoke and didn’t kill anyone?

    “Zelenskiy: War Will Become ‘Endless Bloodbath’ without More Weapons”

    But if we have weapons, peace and flowers break out. Not infantile: psychotic. It means that to this speaker, words have no meaning. So he’s capable of saying anything, and therefore nothing he says is credible. Anyone with half a brain, even one foot on the ground would say something Churchillian: “War is the gravest extreme and our resolve in the face of this challenge is tested, and while we deeply feel the gravity of war, yet the proud history of our nation must not be erased…” and to do that noble thing, we needs da free gunz. Ze is incapable, because he is psychotic, completely detached from reality, and cannot face what war really is, or he’d re-position to what he’s up against: the most formidable army in Europe, at least 3x his size, possessing a terrible and deadly resolve. A resolve that could end all life on earth.

    “War in the hands of politicians becomes just another abstract notion” And this is the universal problem, with them, with us. This is a complete divorce from reality, from #Logos, from God.

    “The only way out is a peace treaty/armistice that partitions Ukraine with Russia keeping Crimea, Donbass and the conquered land east of the Dnieper River. A DMZ must be established”

    Except 8 years after Minsk, they the West are “Not Agreement Capable.” They cannot stop the war. Ze doubled up and said he’s getting nukes and taking Crimea instead. He massed an army of 30,000 to wipe out Donbass after signing Minsk in front of Normandy, approved by everyone in NATO. How to have peace in that condition? How?

    WE do not want peace. US. And especially U.S. Go down to the gas station and ask the next 10 people. Their religion is war and death, their enemy is truth and life.

    And I’m not trying to exaggerate or disparage with loose words, but that is to say, their religion is against truth and life, even to their personal destruction, their focus and fascination with it, then their religion would have to be by definition against life. In opposition to God. That is to say, Satanic, existing merely as a foil and counterfeit, creating nothing of themselves. If Christ would be the message of life, healing, peace, and forgiveness, to the point of personal sacrifice even, then they are the spirit of #AntiChrist. Which pops up from time to time as a sweeping generational death cult. In the 14th century. With Napoleon. With Hitler. And now with us. Love of death. Of any body. By any means. With such love and fascination, they desire it even for themselves and their children. Look at our food, then our medicine. Our childrens’ health, and our crops. Death. Death is our one true love right now, and we will marry her despite all the warnings the community can give.

    #106199
    zerosum
    Participant

    “….. after signing Minsk in front of Normandy, approved by everyone in NATO. How to have peace….”

    Unlike humans ……
    Omicron need life. Omicron wants life.

    dumber than …..
    (synonyms: stupid · unintelligent · ignorant · dense · brainless · mindless · foolish )
    ….. a mushroom

    #106211
    Susmarie108
    Participant

    Ilargi,

    Appreciate your incredible efforts every day. So you say it has come to this: “It’s up to YOU after all”. I agree. But what does that mean?

    Choosing Lennon/Ono’s statement “War Is Over If YOU Want It” as a rallying cry brings back memories of undone business. Perhaps another crack at fulfillment is at hand? For whom?

    As Vietnam Vet and Dr D remind us above, “WE do not want peace”.

    WE are the problem: Our leaders – Gov Inc., politicians, war profiteers, are all in. The rest of the people are brainwashed, locked in a death cult and not available to resist.

    Who is up to what task?

    Your statement “It’s up to YOU after all” feels like that moment at the very end of the Wizard of Oz when Dorothy is told she had the power to get home the whole time. She is told HOW – she activates that power – and goes HOME. Or the moment we hear the news that Mr. Roberts has been killed in his first battle (in the real war he desperately ached for). A life lived – for what? In response, one of his fellow officers gets off his behind and activates a hidden internal power – he resists and commits and act of courage.

    Am not sure HOW to unlock the potential that lives in those of us who are not asleep.

    Dr D: ” If Christ would be the message of life, healing, peace, and forgiveness, to the point of personal sacrifice even, then they are the spirit of #AntiChrist.” True. Therefore, the “answer” to undo the damage of extremes must be in the opposite = #Christ?

    Easter weekend is the perfect time to reflect on what this means….the whole thing ends/begins in RESURRECTION. In our times this could be the resurrection of values, faith, LOVE.

    BEing with Christ. With GOD, the Source means being with faith and LOVE in the face of any,all diversity. The potential/power is there. Have we not had it all along? Can we not BE that in this moment? This may be the only Way through.

    LOVE to All. Om Shanti (Peace).

    #106216
    Henry
    Participant

    The current conflict in Ukraine is a battle between the authority of Nation States vs. New Global Monarchy.

    During the middle ages, Europe was ruled by wealthy families, and the idea of “nation-states” did not exist. These wealthy families had a club of sorts centered around Rome and, more specifically, the Bishop of Rome.

    The new “Monarchy” is centered around the “Club of Rome” and consists of the new Uber Wealthy, who are ordained from on high to dictate how resources are divided out.

    Russia, or the “Russian World,” is centered around the Nation-State and Culture idea. The New Global Monarchy is centered around establishing a new feudal society ruled by the members of the World Economic Forum.

    As an American, I’m on the side of the Nation States and cultures in this fight. Thus I understand precisely why Russia needs to win this conflict.

    This conflict will end up with one of two outcomes:

    • Russia wins; thus, Nation-States win
    • Globalist Win; the new Global Monarchy is issued in

    I fear that time is on the side of the Globalists, and Russia has no way to wrap up the conflict. Unless all of Ukraine falls, the “Club of Rome” will keep pumping in weapons until Russia is so weakened it falls.

    For freedom’s sake, let us hope this does not happen.

    #106221
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Thank you for being here with us as the world turns. What is happening in this world as I understand it is surreal to me. I expect reality to hit as loved ones perish. Yet every day we are here we are given an opportunity to experience the truly amazing miracle of life.

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