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The left hates on people who are nasty to trannies, Trump and the right hate on people who are nasty to the Jews (or their shills, like CK). In fact, the right is worse than the left, the right then expels those people despite them being in possession of a valid US visa that only demands that they obey US law, which includes free speech. No difference, both sides are fucked.
If the stories of Israel killing CK are correct, then the Jewish sponsor who finances both the extreme right and the extreme left, was not happy about someone moving their views away from the extreme right and maybe listening to someone from the extreme left, the same way that Carlson is not heavy on the extreme left talking points, such as Israel and Gaza. Both sides take money to create the social divide.
Why do the American right think they ar so different from the American left; they do the same shit, they lie to themselves contantly, they think they are virtuous, they fight to be seen as virtuous, both right and left do this shit, but neither is virtuous.
CK has clarified to me that both extremes of the political divide are basically EXACTLY the same in that they both believe the same about themselves and the same about their enemies. What they can’t see is that the other side, their enemies, are basically themselves looking back from the mirror.
To the outside world, both sides are disgusting, there is no good side, but find an American who thinks the same way? There must be one somewhere but maybe it is a new born and has not yet been brainwashed, as brainwashed as the IDF kids killing Palestinians. America’s values in Gaza.
jb-hb said
Apznaz the other day – jb-hb, you gonna say Kirk’s murder was wrong when he was PRO TRANS???
I didn’t say it was wrong or that you should be thinking a particular way; I just found it ironic that you spend so much time attacking woke then you lose it over a guy who is trying to introduce the worst of woke into the “We are the good guys” side of the social divide. And don’t say you feel this way about EVERYBODY that dies, that would be too much bullshit to swallow. As you say, Charlie Kirk thought like you, he didn’t give a shit about the people who die in Gaza, he told lies for Israel to cover for the genocide in Gaza; don’t see any respect coming from CK for the dead people in Gaza, the dead kids etc, but you want us to treat his death “with respect and decency”; you are full of bullshit and typical America hypocrisy, but that is ok, that is your right, to be a total fraud.
@Germ On that Croydon newspaper site you posted re the dead boxer, I found this article…
https://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/25462269.national-crime-agencys-wanted-list-september-2025/
None of the UK’s most wanted are black people, although there is a Turk. Who could have guessed it?
Celticbiker said
Let the retards stare at the newest shadows on the cave wall.
The latest CK act has shown the very few normal people that the right contains as many brainwashed, emotional, safe-space retards as the left wing. There is no center ground. To be relevant you have to choose your retards – left or right – or do the sensible thing, remain irrelevant to the political process. Disown them all, these are the cannon fodder for the next round of mind fuckery that is already planned.
https://www.swentr.com/news/624423-kaja-kallas-eu-decline/
How is it possible that among almost 450 million EU citizens, it is Kaja Kallas who was selected to represent them all, atrociously, embarrassingly, shamefully?
The answer is obvious, the elites decide who gets promoted and they then back their captured horses, however dumb they turn out to be. A dumb ass like Kallas can still follow the orders of her handlers and that is all they need; if she makes the EU look ridiculous in the process then she is in common company. All the leaders of Eurpoe are owned, all are incompetent, none of them were appointed on merit, the oligarchy is running Europe and it is there to stay.
https://www.swentr.com/news/624650-london-rally-europe-cataclysm/
Wow, the “Unite the Kingdom” movement looks more like a Zionists for Israel rally. What a hideous bunch of lapdogs the Zionists shipped into London, even the repellant Jordan Peterson. Then there is Robinson, taking Zionist money to pretend to be pro-Britain when really he is just anti Muslim the way the genocidal Israel is anti-Muslim.
If that is the best that the UK can do then my long past conclusions are yet again reaffirmed, the UK is a shit hole occupied by shits owned by Zionists. As captured by Zionists as RIM and Trump.
Tell you something funny: jb-hb hates woke yet mourns Kirk who promotes trannies. How does that work? He has become his enemy.
A dead friend of the evil Netanyahu and his evil Israel.
Maxwell Quest said
If Christianity was the structure on which his psyche was built, how easy would it be for him to exorcise this false belief? To see the modern state of Israel as an assembly of murdering Zionist zealots rather than God’s Chosen People?
My father was an evangelical, not in the Scofield camp, and it did not take me 30 years to realise that it was not a truthful religion and that it was full of bad people; I knew that before I left home at 17 years of age. Kirk was still hitched to Scofield at the age of 30; he was a slow learner. Regardless, what he may heve become is not relevant to what he actually was; what he was is the truth, the rest is fantasy and making excuses for him.
jb-hb said
All that is required to end what is coming – which the Left HOPES will mirror themselves, but won’t – is to LAY DOWN YOUR WEAPONS AND REJOIN CIVIL SOCIETY.
All they need to do is surrender, give up their beliefs and be like us and all will be solved; this solves most problems, but not Gaza, the Palestinians cannot become Jews. You could say the same about the right which is full of just as many weirdos as the left, they just don’t shout so loud. Neither the pro-causes left or the pro-genocide right are the good guys, all of US politics is lacking in any form of leadership or shared direction, which is why when Trump arrived, the pro-cause left could band together and hate on him, they had another uniting cause; TDS. The right is just as bad, they all thought that Trump was something he wasn’t, the reason being that Trump had no ideology, so actually nobody knew what Trump would do; they are now fractured into anti-Trump right and pro-Trump right. Everybody is looking for something to unite around, as long as they are not uniting with the “other side”, classic divide and conquer.
jb-hb said
There has been a lot of “yeah, but I didn’t like Charlie Kirk’s positions/beliefs”
No, Charlie Kirk had exactly the right beliefs and positions:
Those of civil society and good faith discussion.
Bull shit. Anyone who supports genocide does not have beliefs in civil society and good faith discussion. Just because you also too obviously support the genocide in Gaza, do not think that the death of Kirk makes Gaza defensible. It is an evil act and has no place in the playbook of a civil society.
Celticbiker said
How do you shut people up about Epstein or Gaza?
I am doing my best to ensure people realise that Kirk the evangelical christian was as evil as the people pulling the trigger in Gaza. You get those saying that Kirk was a good guy because all he wanted to do was talk; sure he supported the genocide in Gaza, but he wasn’t actually doing it, so he is a good guy. But the same doesn’t apply to his shooter; you say his shooter was a good guy and they shit their pants and start screaming like a toddler and pointing to you as an evil bastard. Support Gaza good, support Kirk shooter bad. They are just so lame that it is not worth replying to them; lost their minds.
John Day said
@Aspnaz:Persia had over 5000 years of civilization.
Indeed. China had the same. China developed itself. Saudi and Qatar spent billions hiring muslim asians to be their slaves so that they did not have to do any of the hard work. They imported workers rather than turn their own people into first class workers. Having worked in Saudi I have seen it first hand, despite all the money, the country is a third world shit hole. The leaders have no ambitions for their countries, they just tick over and nothing much happens. Sure, MBS (the ultimate trust fund kid) talks about building modern cities in northern Saudi, but that will not change the people into a first world nation. I suspect this has much more to do with strict enforcement of their religion than with their nomadic past.
Dr D Rich said
TCTH says Charlie Kirk has “skillset” that will be hard to replace….talking versus writing now there’s projection of the inner object state.
ie. What I can’t do you can’t do either! How did he just do it?Absolutely. It is nonsense talk. And everybody avoids Kirk’s true identity and what motivated him; he was first and foremost an evangelical christian.
Why is Iran developed and Qatar still a feudal shithole? Iran got rid of their leaders who were trust fund kids, they got rid of their over-privileged Shah and his useless children. They decided that the country would be better off without them, and they were right.
Qatar is still being run by trust fund kids, same in Saudi, which is why they are both shitholes, spending their oil money but too stupid to turn themselves into properly developed nations. Trust fund kids are the worst, just look at Trump and the rest of them; Mr Bone Spurs the coward who would not fight for his country is now POTUS and some very, very dumb people are expecting results.
Qatar deserves the contempt of Israel, they are cowards and should be treated as such, the Americans obviously share my view that people who are stupid need to be taught some lessons. If I were Israel I would have bombed their royal palace while I was at it; maybe they will save that for next time.
John Day said
Libertarian Municipalism: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/murray-bookchin-libertarian-municipalism-an-overview
The first paragraph, written in 1991, says
Perhaps the greatest single failing of movements for social reconstruction — I refer particularly to the Left, to radical ecology groups, and to organizations that profess to speak for the oppressed — is their lack of a politics that will carry people beyond the limits established by the status quo.
Exactly my point, there is no ideology in any US or UK political party, it is an ideology wasteland and as a result people are easliy led into religion and virtue signalling nonsense (or “speaking for the oppressed”) that are aimless and have no cohesive thought behind them. The old guard, such as the author, have their well thought through ideologies, these people are worth listening to, whether you agree with them or not, because they have thought through many of the issues and worked out a “politics that will carry people beyond … the status quo”. These people still exist but they are not the people feeding the US media leftist message which adheres to no leftist ideology that I have ever seen.
jb-hb said:
Alternating with saying tribes or families or other things that predate Socialism by millions of years are “also ackshully socialism”
From the wiki page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_socialism
“Africa’s social background of tribal community life not only makes socialism natural to Africa but excludes the validity of the theory of class struggle,”
You need to get out more. Your country is but a small part of a massive world.
jb-hb said
Is a 200 year wait too soon for non fraud socialists to do the REAL socialism?
Do you remember Arthur Scargill, the union leader in the UK who fought tooth and nail to keep the coal mines open in the UK? Margaret Thatcher and Tony Blair, both backed by the same people, were tasked with distroying inductrialisation in the UK. Reagan was tasked with the same objective in the USA. In the UK there were long strikes, the unions trying to support the workers, but the government had the ultimate authority and so they destroyed the unions, changing the law, one bit at a time, so that unions would be defanged. Scargill was a true left winger, that was after 200 years ago.
If there was ever an argument for the uniparty in the UK, it was the Thatcher and Blair years, Thatcher destroyed the unions, Blair and his backing Jews took over the labour party; who needs a labour party when unions and “workers” have been outlawed. It was a revolution in British politics and the subsequent decline of the UK is seen in the subsequent politicians honoured with the title of Prime Minister; a shocking bunch of retards.
I can’t remember exactly what happened in the USA, but the same transformation happened and around the same time, it was a coordinated effort and Reagan was the USA’s Thatcher, he did the damage in the USA; from industrialisation to financialisation. The USA and UK financiers transformed from predators to scavengers.
those darned kids said
actually, the religion is just a cover. the mass murder is about resources, and thus, power.
same as it ever was..
religion is a just one of the easiest to use cover stories.
I agree, but the fact is that they DO need a cover story and different groups have their stories. The evangelicals have their religious reasons to support Israel, the Jews have their reasons to support Israel and Greater Israel etc. Theft on a grand scale, as with war, needs a cover story that will draw in the masses and get them to support what should not be happening. As with all the morons putting Ukraine flags on the X posts back in 2022, now we have half of America supporting the Gaza genocide. It appears as if there is nothing the government cannot persuade a large chunk of the people to support.
jb-hb said
Your’e like a pod person, a space alien, who cannot understand a detailed post about bad faith subversives and feels little embarrassment (you just embarrassed yourself publicly quite a lot with this last post) when saying someone openly, forthrightly having different opinions than you and being willing to genuinely willing to discuss them is the same thing. That’s cluster-b talk, man.
You are commenting about leftists in a dumb fashion, that is why I am responding to you. You are talking about Democrats and communists in the same sentence, you are accusing the Democrat voters of bringing communism to America. That is just plain dumb. The vast majority of Democrat voters have no real knowledge of communism.
Until you look into the left wing and understand the different groups involved, your comments don’t say very much and do not hang together. Just because Kirk is anti-left does not make him a good guy. You seems to have forgotten that “the enemy of my enemy is not my friend”.
You are talking about the left and right as if they were rooted in something other than a vacuum of ideology. The left does not follow communism or any recogniseable leftist agenda, the right does not follow conservatism or any recognisable rightist agenda. The lack of ideology opens the way for the religious fanatics, like Kirk, to start preaching to the desperate ears of the youth, misleading them into religious fanaticism instead of leading them into political ideology.
I don’t embarrass myself, your simplification of the world just doesn’t stand up to scrutiny. If you were a learning person you would see that for yourself, but you have put learning to one side and picked up the mantle of “anti-left superman” when really you don’t even understand the left.
jb-hb said
So the corporations, controlled by radical leftist trust fund babies that went to the right colleges, drift towards doing what Communists do when they gain power, and when we see the awfulness, we say “Woah, Lenin was right”???
The roots of the left are the working man, the man who goes to do a physically demanding job every day for a wage, who is totally replaceable and is the bottom of the economic ladder lacking any real individual power. Those people are the brothers that the communists go on about. These are the people that the communists traditionally want to protect by not, for example, supporting immigration; the workers of the world unite. The reason they do not support immigration is that they see it as a direct result of capitalism; the demand for more labour is due to the demand for growth and expansion resulting from capitalism. The communists see this as people having to migrate to get a job, taking the best away from another country in order to feed the destination country, the communists see this as a bad thing, the factories should go to the countries without jobs, not the workers travelling to the countries with jobs. Apologies to any real communists, but that is the gist of their thinking.
But the media left supports immigration, so how does that work? Because there are two sets of leftists, there are the ones who’s objectives are to defend the common man as the foundation for a healthy society, and there are the Tony Blair latte supping leftists who are middle class, read the Guardian and pretend that they are good people for supporting the common man, but in actuality are serving themselves and have captured the political movements of the common man. These people believe in immigration because it supports DEI, it supports equality blah blah. Basically it supports good causes, but these are also the NIMBY class, these people will support the down trodden but not in their area. The problem is that the real left does not support the “down trodden”, it supports workers and insists that they should not be turned into the downtrodden.
Capturing a political movement such as the left was effected by Margaret Thatcher in the UK. She was determined to make the workers middle class, so she sold government owned houses cheaply to the workers and in return they became Tory voters or faux leftists. This was a huge win for the employers as she destroyed the unions and had the support of all the new house owners. Sounds good, except that the result was the total destruction of all industry in the UK. Not so good. Something similar happened to the USA.
The middle class leftists have lost sight of the aims of the original left which was to support their country and to support their brothers at their home, not demanding that everybody emmigrate to the USA for a job.
You cannot conflate the leftists who have taken over a part of the leftist mantle with real leftists who are still wanting the workers of the world to unite. Most of the latte supping middle class leftists do not even know a working man, they are complete frauds, the closest they get to working men is their gardener.
They are all frauds, but not all leftists are frauds. The original leftists have a valid argument, even though I do not agree with all their methods; the latte supping leftists are just politically lost, they have no ideology, that is why they do not talk ideology. They abandoned their ideology and have been led by the nose to support any stupid cause that comes along, the virtue signalling train.
jb-hb said
“Activist” does NOT mean someone who wants to destroy things like free speech, free association, and is not open nor honest, is not a good faith actor, does not care to have a discussion, whose every “discussion” is for the purpose of NON discussion.
Kirk was wanting to destroy the Palestinians, he supported Israeli assassinations, he regularly lied about the starvation in Gaza and you pretend that he was a truth teller, all he wanted was to speak? Nonsense, you have lost your powers of critical thought. Posing the Kirks of this world as fighting leftists is nonsense, the Kirks of this world are religious zealots, they will lie and decive to get what they want. Your painting Kirk as someone who just wants to persue the truth is disingenuous or just more plain lies.
You are hung up on leftists, your arguments are mostly nonsense, even in your diatribe above you have to define “activist” in your own terms. The evangelicals are not activists in your terms, they are religious zealots, they are the same as the war hawks in government. They have abandoned the inconvenient parts of their religion and become fundementalists, just like the people who strap bombs to themselves and blow up others, except that US fundementalists support the IDF and the US military doing their version of religious mass murder.
Kirk’s god said “Do not kill”, he did not say it was okay sometimes, it was a direct order, but Kirk decided that he didn’t like that bit, so he hitched his donkey to the evangelical wagon, the people who’s self interest trumps everybody else’s self interest, this Kirk garbage was persuing evangelicalism through the genocide of the Palestinians and you mourn him as a truth teller? Give us a break.
RIM mourning his fellow Zionist, Kirk died doing what he does so well, lying to people about Israle and Gaza and supporting his twisted Scofield god. He died like a Palestinian, unarmed, and his family will now get a small taste of what their father/husband wanted for the innocents in Gaza.
Charlie Kirk supported the Israeli action against the Palestinians, like RIM he supported the starvation (actually denied it was happening despite many, many reports and reporters telling the tale) and the mass murder, the genocide.
Fuck Charlie Kirk; his sort of garbage will not save the west.
Anger and hate are both hugely important emotions that enable us to survive and moderate behaviour. Without them humanity could not survive. Inappropriate emotions are not good, but just because these emotions can be used inappropriately does not make the emotions bad or regrettable, they are necessary to the happy existence of humans.
In any case, it is mostly the guilty who are being hated who then turn round and preach to others that hate is a bad thing; hating the Israelis for their actions in Gaza is a good thing, humans should not be doing this shit and the more that disapprove of it and see it as evil, the better. Ditto anger.
zerosum said
self-destructive behaviour
Hate, anger, TDS, drugs, gambling
Emotions are not a bahaviour; hate anger and TDS are not behaviours.
Lots of articles and other PR saying that other governments have starved people in the past, so the Jews doing it today is no big deal. This is how civilisation died, the acceptance of destructive behaviour as okay because others did it in the past, or stories are told of others doing it in the past. The Jews control most of the MSM and large alternative media outlets, so they are obviously trying to rebuild their reputation, to get away from the universal hatred of Jews outside the USA. They are trying to do that not by improving themselves but by persuading you, using obvious lies, that they are not as bad as others have been in the past; sure, we know Jews have starved people in the past.
Accepting bad and self-destructive behaviour; it is okay to be a heroin addict because others have done it in the past. Yeah, but how did that impact those people in the past, did it build them up or tear them down?
Dr D Rich said
There you have it, an internationally accepted expression of Gregory Bateson’s Theory of the Double Bind and its effect on the Human Psyche.
Except that Israel needs Hamas, and Israel needs the negotiators. Without Hamas and the negotiators, the Greater Israel project stops, there are no more bad people to be genocided. Hezbollah were not useful to Israel, so they wiped out the leadership, easily. Are you telling me that Mossad do not know where the Hamas leadership is holed up, that they could not have actually killed the negotiaion team?
Trump wants negotiations, Israel wants to be seen to be hating on Hamas so pretends to try to kill them but misses to keep Trump happy. Trump can now persue his negotiation ideas again at a later date, but Hamas will refuse, so Trump will then blame Hamas. Although I think Israel’s abilities are over hyped massively, assassination in a friendly country where you can easily escape has got to be special service soldier 101.
It was done for show that they are chasing Hamas and to terminate the leadership, but killing Hamas is not an option, that would end the war.
The first of many, as the Aussie miners start borrowing money from China instead of from the USA … the USA’s biggest weapon further weakened. Note that there is no restriction on the use of the loan, just as well as Fortescue just dumped their de-carbonisation plans.
Berletic misses the point, as does Mercouris. What they are missing is that America’s biggest weapon is its financial muscle, with financial muscle you can buy anyone and get anything you want, even good PR. The weapons and war bullshit is not America’s biggest weapon.
Many countries around the world have borrowed USD from the international finance cartel based in Washinton. The biggest organisation is the IMF but there are loads, just loads of these organisations, all centered in Washinton. Also, Washington is the policeman for all these loans, they decide when you are in default, they decide what the rate will be etc. An old trick they used to play would be to reduce the rates, go to loads of poor countries, lend them money, then up the rates; the country was then in difficulty but you can bet that someone in Washington would give them a little more time to pay their bills if they would just do some favour for Washinton. Control.
China has undermined America’s biggest weapon. Instead of China buying treasuries, China is now going to the countries that have borrowed from the USA and they are offering to refinance their IMF loans into their local currency, to be paid to China, on better terms. In addition, China is offering them favourable development deals, such as new infrastructure projects.
THIS is hitting America hard, THIS will destroy America. The American government is now showing how tough it is because it wants to scare off those people who would break free and follow China, but it won’t work. The silent war that is currently underway is a financial war, the rest is just chest beating; the USA as the black knight.
Putin can meet Trump in Anchorage because Putin can promise Trump that neither he or any of his admin will get back to Washington if anything happens to Putin. Two things give Putin security; the distance back to Washington and the knowledge that Trump will never die for America.
Hamas is crazy to think they can do the same. They now know they are crazy. They know that they will be killed if they leave Gaza, and they will be killed if they stay in Gaza, so they are newly motivated to kill their killers first.
Qatar is busy sending out PR claiming that it was not helping the Israelis try to kill the Hamas negotiators. Anyone who believes those people are crazy, the Qatar regime knew what was happening as well as the USA and probably the rest of NATO. The Qatar regime is obviously all-in on the USA-Israel side of things, this pretense of not knowing won’t persuade the Muslim world.
https://www.rt.com/news/624290-capitalism-approval-us-voters/
Yeah, but it isn’t really capitalism when your top companies can be counted on two hands and they all receive shit loads of government funding. If America was a capitalist economy then there would be a competitive environment, but that only exists among small companies, not the big ones; the are no entrepreneurs in America, nobody creating big businesses, the greedy leech off the government instead and the wealthy invest in shit like “private equity” that feeds off the achievement of the past. The latest wonder boy, Elon Musk, is almost entirely funded by government; all his businesses are propped up by the government, businesses that would otherwise not exist.
So tough Americans, you with the guns, when will it be Trump’s turn?
Dora said
The results have reached absurd levels of self-harm or country-harm in many Western countries.
We are seeing the last of the white countries being destroyed; the people running the west obviously do not want white people around in any form of cohesive group; the whites are a threat, so their countries must be destroyed, something that modern technology makes very easy.
At the same time, those in control are killing Palestinians in Gaza so that Israel can remain a purely Jewish country without recognising any Muslims as citizens equal to the Jews. Race is obviously seen as a big deal by those in control, and goyim white is not the colour in control, not the favoured colour, only Jewish pseudo-white is favoured.
topcat said
Apparently women don’t want to have babies anymore at replacement levels.
That’s OK
Bots will fill the gap.
Muslims will fill the gap before the bots get a chance; they have loads of babies. Why do you think France is at replacement rates, it ain’t the white people. My guess is it is the same story in scandinavia.
Good source of Gaza news, a site I read everyday to balance TAE … https://consortiumnews.com
Michael Reid said
@ Aspnaz,
RIM is working to bring us the information.
If you think something should be done then go and do it yourself without the complaints and report back on your progress.
Shut up about what you think others should be doing and just do it yourself!
RIM is not working to bring us the information, RIM is like Zerohedge, he has an agenda and I am pretty sure who is paying for that agenda. I am accusing RIM of lying about his food kitchen, for the reason that he doesn’t give a fuck about the starving in Gaza. My own father was a cause fanatic, I know what these people are like and I have met so many of them in my life that I do not doubt my assessment of these people; ignoring starvation when you are in a charity that fights starvation is not reality, hunger fanatics just don’t do that, and we are being led to believe that RIM gave up his life to fight hunger in the inner cities.
Your experience may be different, so go ahead and belive the bullshit.
As for me doing something, I am, I am showing you how you are being lied to. As for saving the Gazans, I am an old man and I know my limitations, there is nothing I can physically do, but I can call out those who are lying to us.
The Gaza discussion is getting crazy.
– phoenixvoice says that Trump is but an innocent bystander, that we are being mean to him by saying he is responsible for Gaza.
– tdk thinks they are all cunts, always have been (I have total sympathy with this view).
– Dr D says that China should step in and stop the war, but they don’t so China too are guilty, everybody is guilty for not stopping the murder … I love toddler time, it makes me feel good about my brain!But, we could list all the bad people in the past – this is going to take a long time – and tell everyody how bad they were, but it makes no difference; TIME MOVES FORWARD. Unless you are able to bring people back from the dead then worrying about people who are already dead and which bastard killed them is pointless, unless you are trying to stop them from going on to kill YOU. Hence is it TRUMP in the hot seat at the moment, he is the one who can stop the killing.
Sure, Genghis Khan was a bad person, killed lots of people, but makes no difference to now, is not of any use now, his dead people are going to stay dead, we do not need to tell him AGAIN how he was such a naughty boy.
The bit I really think is sooo immature in this conversation is the “Harry Potter-esque” dream world that Dr D creates, that Trump is playing 5D chess, that he has outsmarted the Rothschilds, outsmarted Israel, that he has outsmarted the USA Jewish community that funded him, and he is playing them for suckers …. blah blah. Of course, there is no evidence for his story, but fantasy works that way. Did you know Trump can fly, just like Harry Potter.
