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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle February 17 2020 #54031
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    They’re still at this weeks later. So…NY Times follows all of us from, dunno, a month ago, that the Wuhan market is, 300 meters from the Wuhan biological weapons lab. Ya don’t say? Who’d a thunk? But no, really a bat ate a pangolin who ate a human. …And as reported — by China — that human was a lab worker. In that lab. Total accident, perfectly natural. Nope! Although we’ve been using bioweapons since Genghis Khan catapulted bodies over the walls, nobody never did nothin’. In the lab. 300 meters from the outbreak point. So don’t eat those animals.

    Moving on, so since we now known – and have known for days – that the tests aren’t perfect…and we’ve known that fact since since tests were invented…we then give one test and kick you out the door. …In 14 days. Because we know that the incubation can be 28, if not more, since unlike many, you can be re-infected. But sure, we ship everybody worldwide, with no precautions, after getting all together, breathing heavily, in a half-quarantine, making sure we’ve been as close as possible.

    No one is bothered at all. No one gets in trouble. “Who could have known?” You know, except everyone who’s ever been a doctor, anyone who’s done any training in epidemics, or anyone who’s seen a movie or read a pulp-fiction thriller on the subject.

    Okey! Dokey! Trust the Government and the World Health Organization. They make expert decisions on your behalf and when have they ever lied to you, created bioweapons, or used them?

    Biological Weapons: A Useful and Timely Factual Overview

    The Geopolitical Deployment of Biological Weapons


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_warfare#Modern_history

    Oh except everywhere, all the time. But remember: we’re the good guys, so it’s okay and totally not against the 1925 Geneva Convention when we do it.

    Yes, please trust your government and media. It’s just straight Darwinism, maybe leaving the rest of us to survive a little. In aggregate.

    1,100 Former DOJ Employees Call on Barr to Resign (NPR)”

    Wow, thanks for being political and putting your name on a list. It’s so much easier now. Is that wrong? Well, if the permanent bureaucracy sets all policy, decides who’s hired, fired, what gets done, what do we have elections for? So, you’re saying we WANT an unaccountable, unelectable, un-removable, permanent group, you know, oligarchy, Deep State, an EU, whatever you want to call it, and for the people to have no say, no power, no chance except armed resistance. Got it. We know. You’ve been saying that for decades. That’s what we’re deciding right now. But if it doesn’t go according to democracy having an effect, your man Swalwell may have to break out the nukes and drop them on his own country, because like everywhere else on earth, the people won’t stand for it.

    Your choice. Hey what did that Democrat say? “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” Hey nobody important, amirite? Just some idiot who said he’d break up the undermining, back-stabbing, undemocratic CIA and spread their ashes to the wind. …Who knew that and told you publicly that was true 60 years ago. And the President before him. And…

    “The electric carmaker had been clearing forest land near the capital, Berlin,”

    That’s ‘cause there’s no open land, no unused factories anywhere on planet earth already. Don’t you know it’s green when we pave the planet from sea to shining sea? P.S. don’t spill a quart of oil in your lawn or you’ll be arrested and fined by the EPA . ‘Cause that’s green! That’s logic!

    …And that’s kid’s stuff compared to the wars we fight and the mountains we level for the lithium mines. Behold! A Pale Green (Chloros) Horse!

    “Australia Broadcaster Loses Newsroom Raid Case (BBC)”

    Since they all worship government and fascism, they can enjoy the full consequences of their actions. Because #Logos, reality, is, you know, real. Nah. We’ll deny it and act super surprised.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 15 2020 #53959
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    “Sidney Powell: One Atrocity After The Other In Michael Flynn Case (SAC) “

    The problem with all of these is that once you get started, they are all unavoidably political in nature. If they prosecute it’s political. If they don’t prosecute it’s political. If they review the prosecutor, it’s political. If they don’t review the prosecutor it’s political. Which person they use to review is political.

    That being the case, what can be done? You can only try to make the original trials exceptionally clean, you know, by not keeping publicly biased jurors and hiding evidence, then having an agreed-upon outside review and make it all transparent. Because you can only embrace that it IS political, and thereby let the public review it with sunlight. …So far that’s not really happening, but moves in that direction are to be commended. We’ll see the same thing for all of them and let the election decide.

    This leads to the problem of why they were never prosecuted in the first place and how it got this bad. Because, just as we’ve seen, if you’re “political” in any form, you soon realize you are immune from prosecution and can therefore commit all crimes with impunity, just invoking the mantle of “political witch hunt”, for you, your family, your family’s friends, past, present, and future through all time. Is there any wonder corruption should prosper?

    This is why – quite the opposite – not only do positions of power have an obligation not to commit corruption – obviously – but to avoid even the APPEARANCE of corruption, and this is indeed already codified in rules and law, as both State Department said, and then moved to counter under Biden’s involvement in Ukraine, for instance, or Trump Hotels reimbursing receipts from foreign dignitaries to Treasury. But this is why it’s vital that government and anybody in it be MORE clean, MORE scrutinized, held to even a HIGHER standard than the public is. Because of Lord Acton. “When people fear their government, tyranny; when the government fears the people, Liberty.” However, this cannot be done in a culture, a nation, of universal corruption, nor can it be fixed except by rejecting corruption within ourselves and coming back to #Logos, the law.

    This isn’t on the horizon, or won’t happen without great hardship, so here we are. Even if successful, without that, they can patch it together for some years, fail to dig up the root, and we will return to corruption and fail a little later on. Just as Rome. But that’s the way with these things.

    The real corruption isn’t “Them”, it’s “Us.” They are only a reflection of ourselves.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 11 2020 #53822
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    As he couldn’t toss the holdovers or get impeached, as is usually done since Andrew Jackson (“to the victor go the spoils”), ex. Obama, Trump has now finally fired the people who should have been fired the first day. …After salting them with moles and following the warren with FISA warrants to find out who’s who. This isn’t rocket surgery. And oh! The screaming, the screaming! A single man got fired! End of the universe, dogs and cats… He coming for your family, Minnesota! Hey, guys: like everything else in this administration, he didn’t even get fired. He was on loan to the White House and went back to Defense, didn’t even lose a pay grade. This is what we do to people who are open insubordinates and are caught and admit to lying about whistleblowers and tampering with evidence: apparently nothing. No rule of law again today, as for all of my life. And even THAT is too much for the media. Cait Johnstone is the only one more salty than I am about it. https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/puppet-pete-says-revolution-and-the-status-quo-arent-mutually-exclusive-f3262fbeecea

    Just seemed worth a mention as they’re going for Second Impeachment now.

    2nd
    https://i.redd.it/vk1vzbtnv5541.jpg

    ‘Cause the whole country’s really in the mood, it raised $1.5M for his campaign, raised his approval, and the election is 9 months away.

    Remember when I said, “He wants to be impeached, it’s the only way to get this on the record and over with”? I wouldn’t do it this way, but I’m not in charge. However: Not. Rocket. Surgery. Easy to see from his actions and approach, even going way back, because he controlled less than 10% of the executive and not much more now.

    That’s not very interesting though. Fed is still bailing out to $750B via overnights, but has managed to hide a bunch in creative bookkeeping. That’s not over, the system of compounding interest since 1913 or 1971 is still collapsing, and with COVID has yet to hit even markets THIS disconnected from reality – at a time they’ve sidestepped the fall and put on adequate shorts – the Fed will have to step in and “help” as their mandate, maybe going “Printing Unlimited” right into the election. –You know like Weimar did, and all quality banana republics. But “There is no means to avoid the final collapse of a credit boom” so this crying was set up decades ago, and the setter-uppers already escaped to the grave with the loot, leaving their children and grandchilden to die of a dereliction not their own.

    “Demonstrate to men how little they know about what they can design” and accomplish.

    What I say every day. But you wouldn’t want my photo on that poster. Right, Selma?

    in reply to: Corona Cartoon Numbers #53820
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    Orlov’s been slipping lately. Like Cait Johnstone at some point we all get exhausted and salty with it. No reason to not try to be objective though.

    Wonder why the Docktor is always down on Science:

    “No One Can Explain Why Planes Stay in the Air”
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-one-can-explain-why-planes-stay-in-the-air/

    Scientific American. You don’t know this, which isn’t quantum physics and can see with your eyes, an essential part of our reality, and you want to be considered experts to tell us what to do everywhere else? Sorry, this being broadly known sets us back to a better level. Not that Science is wrong, but about what we know and don’t know, and that asking questions is cool. Continents are not yet discovered, you can still invent the next hoverboard (coming shortly) instead of a flat, dry, empty world where everything is known by ‘experts’ and used against you as leverage. That’s a world children really would commit suicide in.

    Life is still open. Be the next Einstein (who couldn’t figure it out), and tell us how birds fly.

    in reply to: Corona Cartoon Numbers #53804
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    in reply to: Corona Cartoon Numbers #53799
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    Wonder what that split orb is. Something to indicate the painting is also a painting? Ceci n’est-ce pas une pipe?

    They may have shifted to a new reality: it’s too late: everyone is going to get Kung-flu. Therefore, there’s no point in wrecking the Chinese economy as well. They’ll need it to recover (with all the babies that are about to get born). That’s some terrible math to say that, but I understand it. Also may go with Trump’s comment. What an idiot! How ridiculous! What does he know, the conspiracy theorist? What does he know? He has almost the highest security clearance in government, and nearly the world. So y’know, everything he knows, which is given to him by the world’s foremost bio-experts, CIA intel experts, and modeling quantum supercomputers, is of course just a bunch of made-up garbage, and the 3rd Yale intern from the NY Times, with NO information whatsoever – and us, of course – know waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than he does when he says it’ll be burned out by April, so we, with no information, can clearly say he, with all the information, is a madman and an idiot. Logic!

    But let me suppose what he means: 1. Since we created Kung-flu, we’ve known for a decade what it models as it unstoppably goes through the population and it will have met everyone on earth in 6 months. Pretty likely. – Corollary, this almost certainly suggests it’s racial and attacks only (or primarily) the Han (at least in fatal form, still searching confirmation on this). 2. Somehow they are even more clever, and have a death-switch in the virus where it shuts itself off after a certain time. How, I can’t imagine, but doesn’t seem impossible. 3. Other technology such as adequately fabricating and spraying pre-known vaccine or gene therapy. –Which does exist, but very unlikely.

    But let’s be clear: Trump, with highest security clearance, the gene code, almost all the world’s experts by the hundreds, and a bag of hidden military tech = a moron who doesn’t know what he’s talking about, while you, me, Yahoo News, CNN, NY Times and the Guardian, who’ve gotten everything wrong for years, who got this story wrong already for a month and have NO access to hardly ANY real information = super smart and correct.
    Right! Of course! #OppositeLand #AntiLogos. We must always presume the direct opposite of logic.

    Oh, and literal expert and pathology expert from Duke University, Chris Martensen, is banned, de-personed, and ceased to exist on Wikipedia, probably at request of Chinese government, while fact-and-synapse-free interns continue providing random, made-up information on BuzzFeed and Vice…or in this case, transparently made-up information. Perfect. Gotcha. Because Science™! Trust the experts! (Except like here and the OPCW when they disagree with our narrative and drive for war and profit, then they’re obviously fake, and novachok sits on a doorknob and kills no one, including the target and the Bobbies investigating, because physics and reality are optional, and the only REAL reality is what O’Brien says when he holds up his fingers.)

    Logical Fallacies: Appeal to Authority.

    10 Logical Fallacies You Should Know and How to Spot Them

    Not much to offer today, just pointing that out.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 10 2020 #53766
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    Although several issues, it causes a cytokine storm of immune response that overwhelms the lungs and fills them with fluid. (that having a strong immune system was the danger, not help, is similar to Spanish Flu). People can get it and recover if that impact is contained to normal flu/pneumonia levels, but I’m not a (medical)doctor, just literate and read words good too. This is the HIV code and why it’s a joke that it’s not a bioweapon; and I don’t know why China would try to deny it. Why not say the U.S./CIA did it? That’s what everyone else does, because it usually is. Why would a denial matter? …Only if they were – or THOUGHT they were – responsible. The three(?) gene inserts weren’t rocket science and well-covered. So you’re saying bats got a pangolin virus and then ate HIV? Sure, sure they did. In a U.S./Canadian biolab, compromised by a guy at Harvard they just arrested, and a doctor that was just accidentally killed in Africa. Totally coincidental, as always.

    “Both the Steele dossier and the black ledger are fabricated files.”

    That is somewhat new. However, nobody cares. It just rolls how it rolls. Can we return to world of facts and logic again? I miss it.

    Approval rating = trouble.

    You ain’t seen hard times or trouble. ‘Til the black vote moves out. ‘Til core-left Chris Matthews sounds like Alex Jones and talking on national T.V. about how Socialists are historical mass-murders. ‘Til they openly Boo “Cheatin’ Wall Street Pete” in NH. ‘Til radical feminists have deserted to the GOP over transgender issues. ‘Til Biden makes fun of rural America in national ads, then calls DNC voters some combination of “lying dog-faced pony soldier” “go vote for somebody else.” Don’t want to get out of hand here, but I think I don’t need to add much at this point except watch sadly. Soon enough I’ll probably have to pivot and contain the right from overreach as the world turns and the pendulum swings. Ain’t like the government right cares about law or limited government either.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 9 2020 #53717
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    They’re still at it — they claim to have shut down half a billion people for the deaths of just 800.

    Please tell me if this makes the slightest sense to anyone.

    (Was going to edit this out of yesterday, but ‘edit’ is missing.)

    Btw, the idea of re-defining it as some sort of pneumonia is great. That’s what lawyers and bureaucrats (and weasels, but I repeat myself) do: if you have a problem, re-name and re-define it. Everyone dies all the harder, but you’ve directed the blame! #Winning. …Oh you mean we were supposed to CARE if anyone died or the underlying issue? Does not compute. What was the question again? Hold on, I’m busy renaming BlackWater to Academie, and Mansanto to Bayer to dodge our previous felonies and war crimes.

    as shares slumped and investors switched into safe-havens”

    Slumped where? The Dow can’t stop rising. More epidemics the better! If only we had started one earlier and all got rich! …Really, there is a “safe haven” and “core currency” effect that I said would happen before the end.

    Yesterday’s Gone: Iowa Was Waterloo for Democrats (Taibbi)”

    Ouch, that’s rough. And from another life-long Democrat, as per Kunstler. But what can you say?

    The Billion-Dollar Disinformation Campaign to Reelect the President (Atl.)

    He’s really describing the two data sets and two realities. The only way to pick one, to support one, is to compare what what happens after. Which was more accurate. Which predicted better. Which had results. Unfortunately for supporting his case, the Atlantic has been dead wrong for 4 years. Time for a re-think, then? Never: double-down. I told you all these things would happen beforehand, and they did, and I’m still the clueless idiot. Bannon is politely going on national TV, telling the Democrats exactly how to win: they say he’s a evil, stupid, wrong, then lose again.

    What did he say his first day? They are going to do more than anyone to help blacks and steal that vote from the DNC for a generation? And black support has doubled, doing exactly that? But because they can’t get past their own echochamber of RacistRacistRacist, they never saw it coming, don’t see it now, and don’t know what to do. AND HE’S TELLING YOU ON NATIONAL TV, WITH HIS MOUTH. How indoctrinated do you need to be that direct communication that “I am going to run the Quarterback sneak play” then running it, is met with, “No you’re not, you’re a liar. I know you’re running.” Then repeat 1,000 game-days in a row. “We are doing this.” “No you’re not.” “We are doing that.” “No you’re not.” “Your problem is this to win voters.” “No it isn’t.” “The people are not behind you, not going to turn out.” “Yes they are.” Sigh. Okay, I mean the side that has the #Logos, the accurate view, will strategically prevail, but I don’t like it. #ComeBack.

    That’s what I think of The Atlantic. Which side has had accurate predictions and descriptions? Which model was useful, supported, and therefore, more ‘right’?

    another stock market boom. If history is any guide, it may well end in a bust.

    I’d feel better about this if they had provided the same warning under Clinton and Obama. (As thousands of us bloggers did, furiously, saying stop printing money, audit the fed, and housing bust) But at this point, they don’t have any credibility. Will it crash? Sure, who doesn’t know that? Certainly the base-right still talks about financial bubbles, mismanagement and misallocation every day. They just think it’s an end-game play BECAUSE it’s all going down, before we swap into a new model and new currency. I mean, if Post-Keynesian Palley wants to become an Austrian now, he should already know “”There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion.” So? Then clearly there is no longer any point in stopping the boom, just directing the boom back into local manufacturing and such to help with the inevitable collapse YOU, Keynes, created. Like we don’t know this? I wouldn’t say all the Right does, but at least half, practically the only half that ever cared, tried to stop it, told everyone, and was told they were crazy, “shut up with your stupid “budget deficits”, “income disparity” and “sound money” I’m trying to mainline financial heroin here”? Okay, man, we’re the dummies. We’re the guys who didn’t see it coming as far back as the 90’s when you were playing Super Mario in Berkeley. Yeah, no kidding there’s going to be a bust. Mises told you in 1949, Rand in 1951. They said everything that was going to happen the whole time, unlike “Permanent plateau”, Subprime is contained”, “No recession”, “Bear Sterns is fine”, “BuyBuyBuy.”

    But they’re the ones who don’t understand it. Gotcha.

    More helpfully, since they know, have known, plan, have planned, then where do you think they’re going from here? “On the Road to the Golden Age” Giving banks no interest, thus no purpose. Arranging the Fed to be discredited then rolled into Treasury. Putting a sound-money, gold-thinker into the Fed. Turning gold from Tier 2 to Tier 1 assets. Thoughts, anyone? Nope, although they wrote about it in 1979, was published on The Economist in 1987, we predicted it for decades, when it all happens it will be another strange accident indicating nothing that nobody saw coming and nobody planned, nobody pushed and nobody capitalized on.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 8 2020 #53714
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    For something a little more useful, the hand-maintenance of drainage and canals.

    What strikes me in these is the amount of time it takes to build the pattern-language. First the goal, then the tools, then the infrastructure, then the skills. A second later, we erase it all with tractors and become idiots, slaves to the machine. Something Ruskin and Morris said, although they’re just popular — it was said going back to the 18th century that machines would destroy lives, skills, and more importantly, quality, which is what the Luddites were really fighting against. Not machines or progress exactly.

    This is similar to the successful Amish, who people misunderstand are against technology: they’re not. They use rubber, kero, motors, and now solar on their buggy lights. What they’re against is the ruination of their community, and part of that — perhaps the main part — is to hand both the skills out of your community, out of your control, but also the wealth, the money to centralized, concentrated centers, be it Andrew Carnegie or to Wal-Mart or Wall Street. If you do that, you are a slave, and they will extract your community to penury, destroying your culture. But everyone else, apparently they like that sort of thing and can’t import WalMart and Amazon and cede their power into slavery for luxury goods fast enough. Then wonder why everyone’s on opioids and what went wrong. We went to the WalMart planning committee, we told you what went wrong. You didn’t care then and don’t believe it now that exactly what we predicted has happened. Then tomorrow do it all over again twice as hard for a handful of glass beads.

    So how long does it take to re-instate the pattern language to dig canals or cut hay by hand? Probably less time than you think under the right conditions, but that middle period to return to it is not to be desired.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 8 2020 #53707
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    They’re still at it — they claim to have shut down half a billion people for the deaths of just 800.

    Please tell me if this makes the slightest sense to anyone.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 8 2020 #53686
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    American men working? There oughta be a law.

    Ouch, I wish the description of the DNC lineup wasn’t true. 1. Get a good candidate that helps the working people. 2. Elect them in, even if it takes a cycle or two. Why is this so far away? Why does it seem to be getting further? Much as Bloomberg isn’t your man, he’s capable of running ads that will win the party in proper form.

    Much as I oppose almost all bans, and much as the problem is not enforcing them within 100 miles of fairly, ZH was banned for 1. Publishing, or perhaps put better, highlighting, advertising, a person’s home address. Bad form, sir. It encourages trouble. Just like you did, if anyone wants it, people can do a lick of work and find it. But worse, 2. Then openly encouraging readers, people, to call that person, which while not harassment is unhelpful and wastes the time of a valuable guy while accomplishing nothing. This is where they went over the line.

    That said, CNN and others do this constantly, getting fork-lift drivers and others fired, even while telling lies about them, with no repercussions, ever. Still waiting for them to get banned from Twitter, as with Maddow making up stories that will get us nuked, and just yesterday blaming 4Chan for Iowa. (How?) Calling Kung-flu bioweapon a “conspiracy theory” at the same time several experts on bioweapons definitively said it is. So reporters can’t report world experts now, but CAN report that Russia has hacked Vermont and is shutting off the heat in Minnesota? “Rules for thee but not for me.” #AntiLogos.

    …That’s with the further problem of a “lifetime” ban…and with no due process offered, allowed, or appealed, ever. So basically if you say something that’s slightly off, a thing that others (my pals) do regularly, Twitter does a drive-by shooting and execution without warning. Raise your hand if that’s the kind of country you want to live in! Next, muh private company, Chevron, Amazon, Verizon, and CitiBank will do the same, erasing your account while you’re pumping gas, so you can’t get to work, and you can’t call to protest. As planned and admitted by them, as a plan for Neofeudalism and 1984, for some 70 years. Don’t get started.

    But no, ZH, this was not the hill to die on. You knew they were out there waiting for the smallest offsides.

    “Twitter Accounts Of Facebook, Messenger Hacked (R.)”

    I generally don’t believe a word. The minute they get your medical records and want to release them to the next guy to track and extort you, there’s a “hack”, then Oops! some bad guy has them, forever. The second some money’s missing, especially in cryptos, there’s a “hack”. Whenever something embarrassing happens, like the wrong guy wins and we want a do-over, there’s a “hack”. …Sure pal, there’s a hack when you had the system admin change the password to “Password”, then called your pal China, Soros, Alphabet, -insert hacker here- on the phone and told him to try. Then it’s all just a big accident! Like always and ever. 5,000 accidents in a row that all just go one way, and nobody’s ever mad and nothing ever happens to close the gap. Sure pal, sure. And when we sue, there’s no damages, because the government isn’t involved and isn’t running cover for you, the way they fine only 10% of the criminal fraud in Fargo, and split the stolen loot, with government as the junior partner, the controlled, not the master. Sure.

    “Sondland Axed Hours after Vindman Twins Escorted out of White House (ZH)”

    Wow, you mean the boss CAN fired his employees? What about #Oppositeland? You know what polls of the population say: fire them all, then fire half of the replacements you hired, then fire yourself and leave us alone. That’s what “collapse” means, decentralization, and I’m all for it.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 7 2020 #53661
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    “our present definitions of “socialism’ and ‘capitalism’ bear no resemblance to the originals.”

    That may be part of the problem. Often is. Sure, all human systems have favoritism, but “money talks” as they say. So even if you’re not a pal, a family member, I can’t kick you out if you’re effective. Then you make money, move up into the caste system. Without that, nada. Lockout. Stagnation, like the middle ages or elsewhere. Classic definition of “the worst system except all others.” I’d be for tribalism, but since that requires <500 people units, I think that ship has sailed. Failing that, here we are. Can I make stuff and trade it with others, or is somebody going to point a gun at me and stop me? They point the guns, I don’t like thieves, and that’s all it comes down to. If they’d leave me alone, I could pivot and chase bribery and fraud and civil damages among my countrymen more fully, and clean that up too.

    “the use of all “… ism” is a weapon.”

    Also a great point.

    in reply to: Corona Lockdown Fallout #53660
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    Yes, at some point, who knows where, this is going to drop the Chinese economy. More, it may drop the globalist supply chain as a concept, permanently. As usual, for nothing we’ve ever said (oil use, national security, jobs) but for some dumb unrelated reason.

    “400 million people locked down in #China”

    For a mere 600 dead. Less than slipping on bananas, less than the actual flu? Does that seem right? Countries are now so humanitarian they will destroy their entire economies and world standing to save just one (600) guys?

    Nah, they’d kill 600 guys just to build a 3rd-rate road for a petty official. So…then…?

    Depending, the quarantine would work. On a cruise ship, you’re in the cabin, they bring food with secure measures. I mean, better than not, right? Docked, they may look exciting removing people in ambulances, but they’re probably fine and just common quarantine measures since if they brought a taxi they’ve have to hose down the interior later…better use the ambulance, made for that.

    But, if rumors are right, it will indeed burn through all the Han, and leave everyone else. When it does, they can claim THEIR ‘containment’ worked. #Winning. Really, their lies will have worked.

    “Coronavirus Infections Triple on Cruise Liner Quarantined in Japan”

    I’ll be interested to see if anyone gets truly ill, or dies. It will be notable if not.

    “Royal Caribbean Ship with 12 Quarantined Passengers Docks in NJ” “The passengers of the ship are all Chinese nationals”

    Compare it with this one.

    Toyota Keeps China Plant Output Stopped Till Feb. 16 as Virus Hits Supply”

    What a blessing. There are a hundred million too many cars already. 500 Million?

    “France’s Total Rejects Force Majeure Notice from Chinese LNG Buyer”

    Remember when the banks decided Greece not paying wasn’t a default? That it triggered nothing because THEY would be the ones paying out? Yeah, like that. What did Stalin say about who counts the votes? There is no law in the West, except not in the East either. Later they’ll do a force majeure in silver because Morgan is under RICO suit for 20 years of fraud and call it legal. “All for me, none for thee.” So why do you play in their world? Get out.

    “Panic Buying [in] Hong Kong…”

    What did I just say about ‘get out of their system’? Yes, their system is also buying things with bank money in a just-in-time system. How about this: you don’t have to live in the woods: just get a little further away than now. Can you take one step to do that?

    “Citizen Journalists Who Exposed Beijing’s Lies in Wuhan Have Vanished”

    Along with dozens, hundreds of journalists here, including two not yet missing: Assange and Manning.

    Pot. Kettle.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 7 2020 #53646
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    400 million people are on lockdown in China, although only 600 are dead. Hmmm. Numbers…

    Reports trickling in, the virus bioweapon is somehow racial, people surviving are non-Chinese, people outside China dying, as the Philippines, are ethnic Chinese. Now China itself isn’t one group either, nor since race isn’t much of a real scientific thing is it going to be uniform across groups, even say, the Han, but there it is, for the tracking.

    This may be the last piece why the West is feeling relatively relaxed.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 7 2020 #53644
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “Can We Have Prosperity Without Growth? (New Yorker)”

    Yes, we can. However, prosperity will almost certainly lead to humans living, and therefore increasing. And THAT is growth. I prefer a world less resource-intensive, by definition less GDP, which would be more similar to a utopia almost by structure. However, none of that is going to happen with the present mentally-ill people chasing a win with the power game measured by money.

    …And the only thing worse than it being measured by money is being measured by status and social connections, which is the Socialist system. Then there’s no connection to merit at all.

    Glad they admit that innovation constantly lowers materials, energy (which is really price, a cost reduction), and therefore constantly allows more people. …To a limit, of course. And the limit is whether we live like Al Gore or like Buddhist Monks.

    “what would happen to the Canadian economy under various [computer] scenarios”

    OMG these people. They’ve run these “expert scenarios” since Christ was a Corporal, and they’ve been dead wrong for 100 years and that’s how they got here. Their stupid scenarios are how we got to this level of CO2 production and income disparity. Not that it can’t be fixed, but I don’t give the steering wheel to the same guy who crashed the last 199 buses. Maybe we can find a single guy or institution that did NOT wreck every tool they’ve ever been given into a fiery wreck of destruction and despair? You know, like the Permaculture people, JimmyBob the farmer or something?

    Is it possible? Sure. Nowhere near in his wet fantasy, but it’s certainly possible somewhere, under some timeline. Should we try it? Of course. Maybe without killing all the poor as in France, or rounding up dissenters into re-education camps though. If your plan is working, making people safer, better, happier – and why do I even need to say this? – you won’t NEED to bludgeon them, insult them, berate them, order them, arrest them, to get it done. The success will speak for itself.

    But none of that’s going to happen, and CERTAINLY not through any of them, so no need to plan or worry about it. I’ll just have to do it myself, without them, in the face of their violent opposition.

    Canada to Aid Alberta as Deadline for Massive Oil Sands Project Nears (R.)”

    Just speaking of, the very same people. And St. Greta, haranguing all comers, takes a happy-happy eco photo-op with President Blackface, who has just signed up for 100 square miles of tar sands to be mined…to release all that CO2…to turn clean natural gas into heavy diesel like turning gold into lead…and also pollute the adjacent Indian reservation. A hat trick! A trifecta! Darn you, Trump, why did you…? Oh wait, that was Canada, under hot dreamy, role-model Trudeau? Nevermind, it’s all good! Nothing to see here he and she and Greenpeace are all bestest friends eveh. If only Trump could find 100 miles of the U.S. to ruin and be as eco-friendly as Justin.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 6 2020 #53602
    Dr. D
    Participant

    From Mish. Again, if true:

    “MediaReader 17 hrs

    Apparently there are 7 crematoriums in Wuhan operating 24/7. Given 11MM people one could expect 350-400 deaths without nCoV. At least one has 30 furnaces and typical creation times run 1 – 3 hours. Assuming 5hrs total for start to finish 24/5×30 furnaces x 7 sites about 1k per day. For 1 week that’s 7k – normal of 2k so about 5k per week potential for nCoV cremations. 10 weeks extends that to 50k deaths. Now consider double or triple cremations at a time and backlogs?”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 6 2020 #53598
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “This means there is an underlying database”

    Good catch. Often I’m so stupid. And the death rates were suspiciously level, not lumpy. Unfortunately, no more definitive than the leak itself. Again, it’s their level of response that supports the higher numbers. What’s with the West being so placid, then? Is it a racial virus like SARS sort-of was? Still fishing for a model that fits all parts.

    This will not change as long as Hillary, Biden, Schiff et al lead the party.”

    Unfortunately, a single coherent response has not materialized. Instead it’s fractured, which will take longer.

    “they were the custodians of this institution”

    This is separating the office from the men. Just as we have a nation of laws, not men. It’s difficult, but important and things go off the rails otherwise. On the speech: gag me, treacly political garbage dumpster fire of BS American boosterism. …But that’s what these rah-rah “vote-for-Burr” addresses are historically, and are supposed to be. Since there’s no accurate information – ever – I skip them. I don’t understand the decorum. Sure, whatever, but they’ve been acting like spoiled children since before I was born. Yes, it’s slightly worse now, but they’re not fighting duels and beating each other with a hickory cane, either. So? What about the facts, the address, your intelligent, adult response line-by-line if he’s lying? I thought you didn’t like his rude, boorish, tantrums, so you tantrum? Whatever. Just the facts, ma’am. But resign, arrest, censure? Puh-lease. Already I’m going to have to attack the Right side as they only begin to be the one-party system. No rest for the Devil’s own Advocate, that’s for sure.

    Buttigieg and Sanders Separated by Razor-Thin Margin in Iowa (Pol.)”

    As we find out, not really. Sanders won the popular by a good margin, yet somehow – shucks Gomer – Pete won all the delegates! By these weird coin-tosses and by rounding up by 6% and so on. Who knew? Except Pete himself of course, an old Navy Intel nobody coming from nowhere, working for Brennan. Okay, great: and you think Bernie Bros will come out in the general if you do this? That the party will even exist in two years as Kunstler (a lifelong Democrat) suggests? And by the way, I thought you hated the electoral college and needed the vote to go to the popular. But now that Sanders is definitively the winner of the popular, you’re for the electoral (ish) system? Funny ol’ world. Add it to the list.

    By the way, doesn’t this crush the story that Biden is a “main rival”, since he’s coming in 5th? I mean beyond that he wasn’t a candidate when he, or even Ukraine, was investigating, and beyond it was Hunter, not him the (non)candidate that they were after. Facts. Details. Nevermind.

    “Don’t ya love totalitarian communism?”

    I live under it so, “Yes sir, Comrade sir! I certainly love it sir!”

    in reply to: The Big Lockdown #53595
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Agree: the U.S. is NOT that interesting. Media selection bias. The economy/environment is more meaningful than clown shows. …It’s just that I live with these clowns, so….

    For Kung-flu, without solid facts because everybody is lying with every breath like air, and because the data points don’t match, you can see me developing a model by trying new ideas. Luckily I don’t have to act on this information yet because I don’t know. Since action-item, I did solidly get 2 weeks of food to get boarded up in my house by the army, but the problem is more likely to be car parts…so the grid isn’t repaired…and the water purification plants are overused and overdue for parts…which don’t get fixed…and so on. No surprise, it’s a miracle any of it works even now, and it already didn’t in Flint. This is how you de-centralize. And how the centralization is fatally discredited, when it’s been ruining, impoverishing people, hasn’t worked correctly for 100 years, probably since it was built. Maybe this will make them notice for a change when the taps shut off.

    ..Long since collapsed for poor folks. That’s why they’re cranky.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 5 2020 #53535
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “Did China’s Tencent Accidentally Leak the True Terrifying Coronavirus Statistics?”

    Numbers

    https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/inline-images/corona%20real%20data.jpg

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 5 2020 #53532
    Dr. D
    Participant

    From Appreciation article: “Our economic system values growth — nothing more. The luxuries are a side effect. And they come bound up with a plague of other side effects”

    Which is of course a very Socialist worldview. However, what is ‘luxury’? I can live with one begging bowl, is two a luxury? I have one robe, is a winter robe a ‘luxury’? No? How about a car so I can get to work? Yes in 1910, no now? What KIND of car, if, as he says, a Cadillac, then what about a 1984 Seville with 201k? It’s just sloppy thinking not to define these things.

    EVERYONE agrees we don’t need ‘luxury’…because that is Webster’s definition of ‘luxury’: a thing extra, you don’t need. You don’t NEED hospitals, health care, we lived without them for 6,000 years. You don’t NEED doors, heat, A/C…however you will also certainly die without them. That’s okay, but it’s not a thing people CHOOSE for. So the system DOESN’T value growth. PEOPLE in the system want THINGS they didn’t have before, like forks, pots, doctors, cars, they didn’t have before. “Luxuries” to you, desirables that extend their life and ease to them. The people who comprise the system and make the decisions couldn’t give a rip about “growth”, whatever that is, they just want to not be too hot, hungry, and without screen doors buzzed by flies.

    So the “side effects” he’s talking about are the PRIMARY effects: the use and transformation of materials that extends people’s live, ease, and prevents them from dying. The system – built by humans – naturally maximizes this “not dying” part. It may cause growth, in cities, transformations, populations, the “side effects” ARE the “effects”, the SAME side of the SAME coin, are you really going to advocate for MORE deaths and discomforts as so many do?

    Sure, why not? I can do with less. I don’t mind. Chasing the horizon is also a discomfort, a treadmill of endless desire and dissatisfaction, but I think you’re going to need to use other words and other frameworks to describe it, to encourage it, and to sell it to other people, because this just says, “You suck, give up your life and security, and unlike me, go live in a cave. Anything else is world destruction, is evil, is cheating.” I don’t think that line will get many converts, and I know because they’ve been trying it since 1975 and losing harder every year. Meanwhile the guy who invented the LED bulb has already saved more energy than all the hot air used on the subject since then.

    Want this world? Describe a Star Trek world where super-advanced ewok-humans live in the trees but make their own tricorders and medial 3-D printing materializers and quantum sub-space communicators. Just telling us to drop dead or go back to the caves won’t work.

    The car-less Archdruid has been doing a whole year on this subject, https://www.ecosophia.net/ (sidebar) because like everyone, he’s been sick of the smug satisfaction of constantly failing, then repeating the failing so they can win at failing all over again, then complain about always failing, you know, the environment and the elections again. Man Bad. Orange man Very bad.

    Homework, compare St. Greta and Swedish Homestead: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7GkLSNBmds1DZit_oHk-Fg
    One of these two people is actually doing something besides flapping gums.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 5 2020 #53529
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “65 fatalities – all in Hubei province”

    Question: why are they all in Hubei Province? Before they recognized and got support? Weaker, poorer people (not buying plane tickets)? Better supportive care for pneumonia outside China? New HIV/antivirals? Sure.

    For fun, how about this: you have an actual escape of an actual bioweapon, release and spread unknown. You need to lock down an ENORMOUS area and find the actual cases, but sure as heck aren’t going to admit it. So you release an innocuous generic-flu variety of some corona and let the 0.02% normal flu response hide and cover up your 50% actual-weapon corona release WHILE getting the actually deadly one under control with your full-army-mobilization. Thus Cheeto says “it’s going to turn out fine” because the flu released as cover story is…the flu. Winter 2020, 0.02%, like any other year.

    Stay tuned.

    Trump-Pelosi Feud Erupts During SOTU as Impeachment Trial Nears End (R.)”

    Some pointed out that, as old thinking, we can give the OFFICE respect without giving the person respect. That’s an important distinction, and one not made by AOC, who boycotted. The reason is, one intends to capture the office, the government for themselves, yet if you cannot stand even the office, the government, the blannketty-blank nation it stand for, then you just intend to tear it all down and wreck it, and replace it with I-have-not-yet-planned-what, warlords historically, and this is quite what they say. It’s what ‘revolutionary’ means. They are not kidding you about being revolutionaries any more than they are kidding about being Socialists. They say it and have the membership card. Why would I disbelieve them?

    Anyway, a fine distinction but an important one. About our (non)Pope, too. These things have happened many times, yet the office can recover and live on.

    “Joe Biden Flopped in Iowa. And so Did the Democratic Party’s Reputation (G.)”

    From yesterday:
    “I really admire how the DNC went about preventing Bernie from winning Iowa”
    Yes, that was amazing, a tour de force. First get the app so you can get data first, veto, perhaps even turn on the microphone and spy weeks ahead as there is essentially no security on any phone device. P.S. do NOT have the app vetted by anyone ESPECIALLY the DHS or they will find all these embarrassing “accidents” and close them. Then when Bernie wins, rig the vote…oh wait: Bernie wisely placed a person IN EACH OFFICE, fully expected a rigged count. Oops! They all meet in the principal’s office for a pow-wow, with Biden stomping his feet and refusing to allow any count at all, ever.

    The app — which is about to get double-checked AND fuel GOP calls for voter registration and paper trails in 2020 – then compromises on their crimes by counting ONLY the offices where Buttigieg won…barely. …After the enter polls were magically withheld after a meeting with Mr. Pete. Then suddenly, Lo! Lights out! The DNC sweeps in to count, which will take weeks, preventing Bernie from winning by 6%, taking that momentum into other states, and buying some time. P.S. 106% of all possible voters voted in Iowa last night…in 10 different areas, particularly Dallas — a city district, wot a coincidence! A little bad at maths, are we?

    Um, guys? So…you think Bernie Bros are going to go all-in for #MayorCheat, #NeverWarren or whatever? What are you smoking? That’s what burned you last time…and P.S. did NOT burn the GOP, much as they hated, protested, detested, running the candidate who actually won.
    …Because they were planning to lose to HRC anyway, so who cares? Ask your Cruz – Rubio all-RINO tag team about that.

    “Britain to Ban New Petrol and Hybrid Cars from 2035 (R.)”

    No grid = no driving. Everyone is staying home, immediately, in eco-austerity that will clobber the economy. …The economy of the poor anyway, look at France. The rich will be getting the contracts and stocks and run away while the poor are limited to 5mi from their house, with state travel permission. Bow before your masters, peasant! New boss same as the old boss: NeoFeudalism.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 4 2020 #53526
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “Jailing Anti-Vaxxers”

    Part of the new heresy laws. Being contrary to Science!™ even though like religion, Science doesn’t know what it’s saying, argues, and contradicts itself constantly. So if you’re a Scientist™, are you allowed to argue with other “Scientists”? A: no. The orthodoxy will cut your grant and bounce you even from tenure. Just like the Church™.

    “Opinions are Treason!” “When I want your opinion, I’ll beat it out of you!”

    The only crime is asking questions and thinking for yourself.

    “I really admire how the DNC went about preventing Bernie from winning Iowa”

    Yes, that was amazing, a tour de force. First get the app so you can get data first, veto, perhaps even turn on the microphone and spy weeks ahead as there is essentially no security on any phone device. P.S. do NOT have the app vetted by anyone ESPECIALLY the DHS or they will find all these embarrassing “accidents” and close them. Then when Bernie wins, rig the vote…oh wait: Bernie wisely placed a person IN EACH OFFICE, fully expected a rigged count. Oops! They all meet in the principal’s office for a pow-wow, with Biden stomping his feet and refusing to allow any count at all, ever.

    The app — which is about to get double-checked AND fuel GOP calls for voter registration and paper trails in 2020 – then compromises on their crimes by counting ONLY the offices where Buttigieg won…barely. Then suddenly, Lo! Lights out! The DNC sweeps in to count, which will take weeks, preventing Bernie from winning by 6%, taking that momentum into other states, and buying some time. P.S. 106% of all possible voters voted in Iowa last night…in 10 different areas, particularly Dallas — a city district, wot a coincidence! A little bad at maths, are we?

    Um, guys? So…you think Bernie Bros are going to go all-in for #MayorCheat, #NeverWarren or whatever? What are you smoking? That’s what burned you last time…and P.S. did NOT burn the GOP, much as they hated, protested, detested, running the candidate who actually won.

    …Because they were planning to lose to HRC anyway, so who cares? Ask your Cruz – Rubio all-RINO tag team about that.

    How do you know all this is true? They did NOT blame RussiaRussiaRussia for something. 1st time ever and the smoking gun. …Oh and would launch DoJ investigations run by Bill Barr, Trumpers, and mouseketeers with a fine-tooth comb.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 4 2020 #53483
    Dr. D
    Participant

    So the expert on world bioweapons says Wuhan is a bioweapon? And they (Gilead) already have a vaccine for a bioweapon they themselves created? Huh, who’d a thunk.

    “Experts debunk fringe theory linking China’s coronavirus to [bioweapon]”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/01/29/experts-debunk-fringe-theory-linking-chinas-coronavirus-weapons-research/

    Oops, wrong link. It was the WaPo who was printing fake news and debunked. Because: Not journalists.

    “Dr. Francis Boyle Creator of BioWeapons Act Says Coronavirus Is Biological Warfare Weapon”

    Dr. Francis Boyle Creator Of BioWeapons Act Says Coronavirus Is Biological Warfare Weapon

    As have many others, citing several compelling and technical reasons within the RNA.

    “Xi has punished over 400 “servants” for failure. When’s his turn?”

    Mandate of heaven.

    So, that U.S. sure is lucky! Somehow China got four – count them, 1, 2, 3, 4! – pandemics at the same time. Rest-of-world before now? Zero. So Cheeto authorized running down China since they won’t negotiate and nobody wants a war? Why not? That’s what Marine Generals think and do. What they live for. Presidents authorize secret ways to kill people? When did this start? https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_intervention_in_Chile
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contras
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

    Ah, but there’s not enough paper in the world to cover this subject. And you think we’ll walk away from this?

    Unprecedented Cybersecurity Measures To Safeguard Iowa Caucus Results (DMR)

    How long before we blame RussiaRussiaRussia for the Iowa caucus app built by Sachs?

    “My estimate is that Bernie Sanders won Iowa, then the state Democratic party establishment ginned up a “systems failure” to deny him”

    I fear they may be right. He was maybe 6% ahead going in.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 3 2020 #53399
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Asides being slaves, they were born in 1815. Imagine what they’ve seen. 1815 is essentially the Revolutionary war, knee-breeches and all.

    “17,480 cases / 362 deaths”

    Steady 2% death rate. But 200,000 people could have it and we wouldn’t know.

    ““More than 2,500 stocks fell by the daily limit of 10%.”

    Ouch. Funny how lucky ol’ America just happens to win by accident again. Hey here’s a plan: the US knows what’s in the lab since we’re inside their Intel chips. We find out what they’re cooking since – clearly – we watched them importing it from Harvard and Canada and intercepted it. Then what? Well if I were these meddling bastards, I’d make my own, release it on China, and then China would THINK their own team made a mistake. Losing face! The worst! They fire the animal handlers, don’t believe their denials, cover it up like we hoped. They can’t protest, what can they say?

    But qui bono? Who stands to gain on this amazing, amazing accident, with amazing, amazing timing that Cheeto is not the least worried about? And why? Because we have the code and can turn it off at will? Because we know what it is and what HIV drugs stop it? He’s a terrible, terrible actor, don’t quit your day job.

    Meanwhile, everyone can roll out their worldwide control network undisturbed and blame the collapse not on the bad guys but an “Act of God.” Their god. The god of war, lies, and murder.
    …Or not. I dunno. Does it matter? That’s what everyone is going to do anyway.

    The guidance had been circulated among a group of Russians who were covertly running a vast network of social media accounts”

    You mean like the ones the NYT reported were hired by the DNC? That they got kicked of FB for? RussiaRussiaRussia. It will never end. Let me ask you a question: if all it takes is a couple bots to win an election, why doesn’t Biden do it? Is he too stupid or too lazy? Somehow Russia can do it for $10k but the DNC can’t, having access to the same accounts and information for $1B. Huh.
    I’d ask how stupid they think we are, but no one asks any questions or finds this slightly weird. Synapse-free is not just for The Guardian.

    Democrats Need to Break Their Cold War–Addled Impeachment Fever (Maté)”

    I don’t know what to say: they are asking for research and evidence which was supposed to be long since completed by the House. By the very same Adam. NOW you want some research and evidence? Do you usually go to court before the police inspector has got back from the crime scene? Don’t worry: if the Mueller report had no effect, neither will this oversight. They are calling Civil War II instead…while being totally untrained and disarmed. No effect from that reality/fact either. #AntiLogos. Logic and Facts are my only enemy.

    P.S. Antifa’s new fight of the resistance is against clean streets in Salem. They fought a trash pick-up in poor neighborhoods tooth and nail this weekend. Keep our cities brown and needle-y! No help for you, poor inner-city districts! #Winning, if #Winning is making everybody think you’re both racist and crazy.

    The Real John Bolton (CP)”

    So now both John Bolton AND Crystal are “all Democrats now”. You should be so proud. Why not pick up the rest of the Bush cabinet while you’re at it. You already had W’s Treasury/Sachs guys, it’s not too many more.

    No effect. No synapses. Z-Zzzz. No connection.

    in reply to: The Party and the Virus #53394
    Dr. D
    Participant

    What ARE they thinking?

    …That goes double for driverless Uber-cars, they were disturbingly, illogically hot to MUST HAVE!!!! before 2020/2024. Must have or the world ends, dogs and cats, everybody dies!!!

    Nobody knew nuttin’. Uh-huh.

    in reply to: The Party and the Virus #53393
    Dr. D
    Participant

    I’d say guerilla gardening. Find a wild corner of a nearby park or some train tracks. Law? Nobody else follows it while killing people, why should I follow it saving them?

    No need to ask anyway: nobody knows what a tree is anymore, they won’t recognize the action.
    Speaking of drones, etc, all that rot makes no financial or engineering sense. Robot drones flying/driving from the warehouse/factory to your front door, for groceries no less! Garbage! Expensive! Lowers sales as you don’t impulse buy! What ARE they thinking?

    …Unless there’s an epidemic. Then all of that makes perfect, perfect sense. And all those wasted billions suddenly pay off, a big, darn coincidence.

    And what’s better than when you can only buy online or risk death outside, which all depends on your social credit score with FB and Spamazon? …But just ’cause it’s a plan doesn’t mean it’ll work and not be stopped.

    “there are now 17,205 confirmed cases across China,”

    What I was saying about getting enough tests into enough hands, I bet. Lead time is a pain but 6 days is still light-speed for such a task.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 2 2020 #53343
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Finally, real football. Before “safety” equipment ruined the game and caused permanent impairment. How? TBIs, which occur BECAUSE the pads allow you hit harder. Just like boxing. Say what? Yes, ironically, bare-knuckle boxing is SAFER because you can’t only hit so hard, AND they other guy goes down ‘faster’. With gloves you can slosh his thinker around his brain pan for hours, causing permanent damage no one intended.

    …Okay, now expand the principle to finance, bailouts, seat belts, drugs, airbags, free speech, fireworks, gun rights…

    Schmarty-peoples. Who can think them? Bring back the leather helmet!

    When liberals start rallying around John Bolton, you know something is off…

    Donald Trump’s far-right administration is one of the most dangerous in US history, which makes the disappointment over the imminent failure of his impeachment case understandable. But the impeachment proceedings never challenged what actually makes the Trump White House so fraught. In adopting hawkish Cold War chauvinism toward Russia, Democratic House impeachment managers embraced rather than opposed a perilous right-wing agenda. They did this while presenting a weak, overblown, and hypocritical case that posed no threat to Trump.”

    Thank you. Can I get a real Democrat, a real Liberal in here? You, one that doesn’t love John Bolton, and protect the CIA? Crickey what does it take?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/democrats-need-break-their-cold-war-addled-impeachment-fever

    Social Media Networks Vow to Censor “Misinformation” About Coronavirus”

    You know, like that it appeared in mid-December, not January. Oops! That’s now true and official. Like that it’s an escaped bioweapon. Oops! Credible labs have now done testing and have evidence suggesting this. Save me Daddy Government! Save me Corporate Fascism! Save me from myself.

    And right behind them, Twitter saving me from election news, from ZeroHedge publishing public information, and from wrongthink authors who have opinions, however dumb. Because like the Slavs, I am but a wee child with a tiny mind and must be cared for and told by my benevolent betters what to do. Or else.

    The Supers Are Back: DNC Members Planning Move to Block Sanders… Again”

    Apparently they are trying a Biden-Clinton ticket. To keep them both out of jail for another month. Please, PLEASE run. The ensuing catastrophe will be one for the ages, and after bailing banks, starting 15 new wars, an open-slave market, and losing to the worst man they could imagine, possibly FINALLY enough to reform the DNC back into the people’s party.

    …But probably not. They’ll say “we won the argument” and RussiaRussiaRussia and try a civil war. Luckily this will probably be like Antifa’s attack yesterday. Yes, they took over Grand Central, spray painted the walls and glued all the ticket-readers for the NY Subway protesting public transit. …Because it’s ALREADY public and state-owned. And ALREADY as close to free as possible. And ALREADY broke and collapsing like all gov’t projects are. So like in U.K. environmentalists are protesting construction of trains? They don’t LIKE public transit? State-owned enterprises? In any case, the repairs are going to cost, AND they didn’t make their point. But if that’s any sign of the Revolution, I think we’ll survive it. It’s like Jr High sit-in the Cafeteria for student council.

    “that suspends 240 accounts?”

    Yes, like the airlines, they don’t give a s—t, but there are legal lawsuits that their god Mammon DOES care about. So the pencil-pushers say, snap to. P.S. so imagine a world without cars that is at the sole discretion of Uber, as planned.

    ““I don’t know how they can retain their lawyer status, in the comments that they’re making.”

    Let’s see, the one side says there’s a vast conspiracy, run by Putin, and Trump is a traitor, and you’re worried about what THEY said? Thankfully we have elections to sort this out.

    “Pelosi added that Trump “will not be acquitted”

    Yes, we know. You’ve told us. He will be immediately impeached again for new things that you can’t find evidence for, again, over and over forever until the people stop you. Why? Because you’ve gotten literally NOTHING DONE for that unemployed black guy in Milwaukee with no health care. Congratulations. And that guy’s been telling you since the 90s.

    The DNC does the exact same thing again that lost them the 2016 election. It’s like a comedy act.

    Speechless. Since roughly speaking I’m on the other side, I don’t mind, but I hate seeing the game played badly and have said over and over for years how easy it is to win. Look: worst opponent ever. All you have to do is not be crazy, as Bill Maher said. But in #Oppositeland, we do the OPPOSITE of #Logic. It’s a religion, a way of life.

    The article on Tulsi says, the only candidate who could probably win in the only candidate CNN and the DNC (but I repeat myself) won’t allow. They like Trump better, I guess.

    “Calling Greta!”

    Nah, it’s in Asia. Don’t you know only white people are bad? You know that by their skin color.

    Kremlin Warns Chemical Provocation Coming Near Aleppo (ZH)”

    So predictable. No one cares. Have an opinion or say a naughty word in America though, and Hammer Time!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 1 2020 #53307
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Bosco: You’re not going to be around forever. Really need to plant a mulberry tree or something for crowlings. Anywhere in the neighborhood flight range.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 1 2020 #53306
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Wu-tang flu may be running against the number of available tests. Think of it: Every day we need say, 10,000 pathogen test kits. Then one day we need 10,000,000. You got a factory for that? Oh and the supply chains feeding that factory are broken. Good luck!

    Yet another fact we don’t have: is everyone we want getting tested or are tests themselves in shortage? If so, the “confirmed” number is in shortage. So we could have 200,000 infected but because it’s the flu, they didn’t even know it. Then the 250 death is nothing. If it’s actually 10k, then the rate is stable at 2%, which isn’t terrible, but annoyingly high. And if a guy flies into Chicago or Seattle and picks up his own car home, meh. But a person walking around the L train in NYC from Kennedy? Crap. We’ll know shortly. …Unless our tests and gloves come from China too, like the thoughtless dummies we often are. Remember kids: It’s racist not to outsource all your critical infrastructure!

    Note they’re getting in trouble now for the disease being visible a month earlier, in mid-December. If so, is that a death rate far lower, or unrecognized and higher?

    “The president’s approval ratings hover in the low to mid-40s,”

    Because: media, is this not essentially the same as Obama’s and many Presidents before? Look at it this way: two party system makes top approval 50%. Really we have 30%L, 30%R and 30%C uncaring/undecided. So he has 30% of his party plus roughly half the independents, like everyone. Okay, looked at another way: the approval of both the Media (BBC) and Congress is under 15%, you know, below cockroaches and bedbugs but above Avanetti. So he’s multiples more popular than either of you. Will he win? The only thing holding back the Democrats is themselves. Unfortunately they don’t seem in the mood to present a winning candidate. They’ve basically said they will investigate and impeach Trump again immediately. We’ll see how that goes over with the electorate, but I think an increasing number of the 30% uncaring will go to the polls just to punch them in the face and shut them up. That’s a rather American thing to do, to run a sick-of-it, you-need-a-good-lesson vote, but we’ve had it what, 5 times, including Obama’s “hope and change” then Bernie, then Trump, because they won’t learn the lesson. We don’t mind punching them some more. We’re Americans, we relish it, love punching for any plausible reason, and as Captain America says, “I can keep this up all day.”

    “here is no evidence indicating that Biden engaged in any kind of misconduct in Ukraine”

    OMGAYFKM. Stop! This is why the punching begins. On the media as much as the elections. This is where they overplay. We know he’s dirty: he’s a politician. We’re immune to it. But to claim there is NOTHING, not a teensy-weensie bit? That’s just insulting, punching us, gaslighting us, and that’s just no respect as the Mafia would say. You can’t be treated like a punk: that HAS to be met with a take-down or you lose all credibility. They run elections for 50 years with paid experts: how can they not know this?

    “Trump are “scared to death I’ll be the nominee”.

    Well that’s never been said. In fact, he said he was worried about Bernie. But compare this to Joe’s long list of quotes shoving voters, insulting them, and telling them not to vote for him. Even the Independent(?) asked “Is Biden really running?” And maybe not. He may just be dodging interrogation and jail. I mean, it was election tampering, as confirmed by the Ukrainian Parliament and the ex-head of Poland, plus tens of millions foreign aid recycled back to his people/DNC campaign for more election rigging. I don’t even need subpoena power to prove that.

    “As of today, Bernie Sanders looks like one of the better, if not best, bets for the nomination.”

    Yes, and that’s great if he’s the honest heart of the Democratic Party, but it’s not a position that will take the moderate/Independents in the general. As weird reasons we still mirror each other, like Corbyn in the U.K. just ran this very election. No one noticed. The Left said, “Ha! See? We won!” –Speechless– Ok honey, you won. Now go sit in the corner out of government and watch cartoons while Daddy works, okay?

    Hillary Clinton Blames Bernie Sanders For Disunity In Democratic Party (WE)”

    Hey, has anybody thought that his geriatric election IS Bernie’s revenge on HRC? ‘Cause boy it sure seems to be, and it’s Hillaryous. She’s now losing –again– to a Bernie that’s even WORSE than last time, older, heart-attack, flip-flopping and all. They still hate her more than him, and it drives her crazy.

    “DNC Members Discuss Rules Change to Stop Sanders at Convention (Pol.)”

    Okay, here’s the only possible worse choice for them to take. So they take it. Slow learners. But Americans are happy to give them another ‘lesson’ at the polls.

    Billionaire Bloomberg just bought the @DNC”

    Sadly, that may be true, as apparently that’s what they’re up to in VA: Bloomberg literally, openly bought them all by funding every campaign, and set a policy that will get thousands on both sides killed. #Winning. But the real question is: Why’s it for sale? If you had firm principles, that wouldn’t be possible.

    “Democrats Announce New Debate Rules Likely to Allow Bloomberg to Join”

    Continuing: so they change rules to erase Gabbard and Yang, –then Bernie– then change rules to force-add Bloomberg. Question: why have rules? Clearly this is a dictatorship of some sort, with no rules at all but “what I say so.” …Trust me, this will not go well with us. Tulsi or even Pete could win if force-run with the media, as usual, using Bloomberg’s appropriate, winning ads. Nope. Anything but that. RussiaRussiaRussia. OMB.

    “The FBI Has Been Lying About Seth Rich (Craig Murray)”

    What? You mean a DNC IT guy was NOT shot for no reason, in a non-robbery, the day after the leak and the Mayor and head of DNC got up and went to the hospital to see him at 3am, AND the guys who did it got shot AND all the police tapes got lost before Wikileaks put out a reward and BOTH Kim.com and the Ambassador suggested the leak was him? Color me surprised. The FBI lying, I mean. Here’s homework: is there any case the FBI has been involved in where they DIDN’T lie? Whitey Bulgar, MLK, Steven Hatfill, the whole meth-smoking FBI lab, blah blah etc going back to J. Edgar and…well, literally everyone.

    Lying? In America? Surely you jest. Anyhoo, yeah, they’re in trouble. But repeat after me: Nobody got arrested.

    “Flynn Prosecution Exposed as Massive FBI and DOJ Abuse of Power (NYP)” Uh-huh.

    Hey, where are those 302’s? Like Comey, they made them up out of personal recollection months later, when it was convenient — oh, and then swapped whose was whose. Okay, well you’re fired for that, OR you’re fired for lying. Take your pick. But? “No one was fired, no one was arrested, no one went to jail.” You know, except all of us citizens, of course. We got to jail for burning cloth or painting our house the wrong color.

    “conspiring to help President Trump win re-election”

    Speaking of lies, I have never heard anything so preposterous in my life. Facebook is probably coordinating with CNN, who is run by RussiaRussiaRussia because we all know they both run 99% pro-Conservative, pro-Trump stories all day. Oh wait: Columbia U. research showed it was the #OppositeLand. If only he were senile, but unfortunately, he’s insane. You know: like all his friends. But, when you reminisce about working with the Nazis to turn in fellow Jews as being the best times of your life, well… But it’s anti-Semitic to criticize a guy who works with Nazis to gas Jews. #OppositeLand much?

    He got elected because he ran the single best digital ad campaign I’ve ever seen”

    Also false. He didn’t screw up the campaign, sure, but this digital army were volunteer chats and meme-creators who did it for fun, and not even for the election. They can’t understand the concept of people not being controlled, working like minions on orders. Warren’s online Meme-army was the example: she wrote a handbook, issued by Harvard, about how memes work, what they should mean, and telling people exactly how they should create memes for her. Um, Liz? That’s not how comedy works. Or life.

    Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook will stand up for principles like free expression and encryption”

    Wow. Can it GET any deeper in here? Start with the obvious: Apple has back-door keys, so they already have no encryption, the NSA is still reading all. Apple just provides the fig leaf that it exists, to keep you talking and wiretapped. FB is hardly even that clever. Free speech? They erase everyone every day, even the anti-war left, Jimmy Dore, trans people, so… His plan was to offload that to a hand-picked 3rd party that would accidentally agree with him, corporate fascism, and his (CIA) side of the government in every regard, then say “See? 9 out of 10 hand-picked minions agree, and we’re busy out back shooting the 10th one, so…” Please, please make it stop. I can stand the authoritarian statism, been nothing but all my life, but the lies, you must stop the lies.

    Look, if you want to torture me, spank me, lick me, do it. But if this poetry s–t continues just shoot me now please.” –Tank Girl

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 31 2020 #53305
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    WES: That was a sad thing. I have no idea what’s up with Canadians lately. Distracted? Disconnected? Maybe they have the rural-urban disorder on steroids, and makes sense: if things are pretty good in T’ronto, must be good in St. Johns’, amirite? They’re not. They were strong on community, and that seems all but missing lately. But I’m not there and the disorder seems quite subtle.

    But electing a Minister-in-blackface? Are you kidding me? And Virginia too, no less. Is which side of the aisle ironic or expected here, it’s always the opposite in history.

    Zero: I don’t know about that. It seems a genuine mystery that there is so little trauma afterwards for the Plague or the Spanish Flu. I’ve looked because it seems illogical. I think like war, when it’s a shared experience its somehow digested far better than being alone, in chemo, where only one friend drops by. That is hard to take. When everybody does it, everybody understands. And sadly, there is generally benefits for wars, pandemics, etc, AFTER, like the Renaissance-Middle Class was. So therefore the psychopaths at the tops say, “Why wait? If it’s so good, like market collapses I organize and short, why not CAUSE this wonderful effects AND kill a bunch of people and repossess their wealth? It’s only logical.” Rules for Radicals. Why, you lunatic? Because we’re HUMAN and that’s not what HUMANS do. We keep the sick, the weak, the elderly alive for NO logical reason, but for a HUMAN reason. Because we have a conscience, something you wouldn’t understand.

    That may be the anti-ant pheromone. We’re a mixed bunch: body-mind, trapped here where mind or spirit will get you killed and we do it anyway. Why?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 30 2020 #53268
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    I have often wondered. Say, you’re a smart fella’, so how’s a smart fella’ like you not realize that when you make guns, the guns get used, when you make bombs, the bombs get used, and when you make bioweapons?

    And you’re a smart fella’, you don’t need this job. Why not go work somewheres else?

    Nope! Tech’ing the science tech since 1818! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein Same results every time. But you know Science™: when every experiment ever run fails, this time it’ll be different!

    Wish they were less smart and more wise. Or at least less hyperactive.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 31 2020 #53265
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    That didn’t take long: an hour? Assassination attempt on “The Donald” at Mar Lago.

    That is just non-peachy. So expected.

    Didn’t happen/not related/nothing to see here.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 31 2020 #53253
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    You know, for a nation that wants war every time, every where, especially against Russia…

    “EU Army Ambitions Crushed as German Troops Forced to Use their Own Cars in War Drills”
    “RT News said only about one-fifth of Puma infantry fighting vehicles were operational in mid-2019, which is one of the top reasons why combat troops had to use non-military vehicles for transportation during drills.”

    Probably too busy shooting the eyes out of French women. On the plus side, here’s a nation that actually IS holding bake sales to fund its military while providing health care to all, so…#Winning. Priorities.

    Brexit is now going to blow a far bigger hole into that budget, though. And what was that? Britain would collapse, Pound would vanish, Cats and Dogs living together, mass hysteria if they left? Yes, just like HAVING the vote, just like WINNING the vote, just like WINNING the PM, just like having the NEXT vote, just like setting the date, …nothing has happened. It was all lies, totally fake, made up, scary nonsense to make you submit to losing your nation and laws.

    Okay, we’ll see what happens, but so far, every thing the Remainers and Labour has said has been 100% untrue. Will anyone ever notice? Will it ever matter? Probably not. Facts have no purpose here, only feelings. And I feel like if I give up more jobs, more power, import more poor, illiterate people, and paid higher taxes, only then would we get rich. It’s obvious. #Truthiness.

    “Ambassador Warns that Trump Will Put US Firms First in UK Trade Talks (G.)”

    And Europe is so bad it’s STILL better than the E.U. At least they won’t be bankrupted, starved, and sold to China like Greece.

    Here’s a telling headline: “U.S. Peace Plan Gives Israel All It Wants, which Could Be the Worst Thing for It” O Rly?

    So you’re saying that giving Israel all they wanted has backfired, just like giving them a decapitating Iranian strike has? Funny that. And it was brokered by compromised idiot son Kushner, which keeps him happily out of the way? And oh wait: isn’t Trump a racist Nazi that hates Israel and Jews like his daughter and son-in-law? #Facts Citizen of #Oppositeland

    Chinese people in Italy have been the target of racist abuse”

    So, people from China have a Chinese virus, and it’s “racist” to say that people from the center of the outbreak are more likely to have it than people from Iceland or Genoa? “Racism: 1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race” I don’t see anything about “primary determinants” or “inherent superiority” in that someone got the flu. But “The Guardian”; so unable to use a dictionary as well as google.

    How about if the outbreak is in Texas, we look at Texans? Is that too hard? A: yes. Because it is #Logic, my arch ‘enemy of the state.’

    his account of Trump asserting that $391 million in military aid would be withheld until Ukraine announced investigations”

    Meanwhile, Bolton received $100,000 from a Ukrainian oligarch when it all started. Still reminiscing of sending him to outer Mongolia though. That was hilarious.

    Welcome to the Trump Recession (Ind.)”

    Don’t quit your day job and become a journalist, Independent. There’s nothing like a recession going on, nor one hovering. We’re just flatlined same as the last 20 years, and maybe 1-2% off the mat, or possibly just a shift of 1-2% from coastal cities to non-blessed areas. Possible? Sure. The economy is a zero with a fabricated stock market. But anything out there, especially as they indicate, present-tense? Not that I can find. Hopes and Dreams, man. Like everything, we make it up, say it, and hope it happens for us. When it always, always doesn’t, we are never discredited and just make up some more. Like Krugman and Bernanke.

    Government and Media Are Prepping America for a Failed 2020 Election (Webb)

    They’re on that Civil War as Bernie organizers promised, and hopefully a race war, as kept artificially boiling since the 70s, and attempted now to force open fighting in controlled Virginia. Don’t see it though. Look at the self-control exhibited by the gun owners there, compared to the ridiculous and unsupportable acts of Richmond. What will happen is they’ll just get rolled over and lose the election, hard as it is to take being socked in the teeth each day and not respond except legally and with overwhelming restraint. Not too different with the constantly-attempted race war. Race relations are actually improving, Trump’s approval is increasing, blacks as example with Kanye are getting more conservative, and not coincidentally as interracial marriage, households, children, etc, rise each year. None of that will be reported – ever, they’ll die a thousand deaths before it leaves their lips – so you can’t see it unless you live here.

    That simulation, organized and run by the Israeli-American company Cybereason,”

    Sort of like that Bill Gates simulation, eh? Amazing how many simulations then immediately appear in real life. Like I said, though, this cannot happen unless one side owns the government, and the other side is armed and steadfast. They don’t own the government, and double for being totally, almost hilariously divided amongst themselves.

    The first U.S. transmission, in Chicago, sounds hazardous until you realize the gal came home and kissed her husband: of course he got it. And did he die, or get the sniffles? He’s still alive so far, so…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 30 2020 #53209
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    Civil War? Virginia just had their little armed discussion with an enormous number of fully- armed citizens 10x more than needed to overrun the State.

    “Roger-dodger loud and clear. We hear you. So we are going to DOUBLE the number of gun laws, AND outlaw criticizing anyone in Richmond, AND have any case against anyone we bring be held in Richmond instead of “by a jury of your peers”. So going after the 1st, 2nd, and i dunno, 4th? Amendments now? Sigh. Okey-dokey.

    The thing of moving ALL trials to Richmond so we can get a hanging judge and jury is ominous, totally 3rd world. As much as this:
    VA
    The Seal of the State of Virginia. Thus to all Tyrants. How we’ve fallen.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 30 2020 #53197
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    “The Choice is Now Between Witnesses and Dictatorship (Turley)”

    They’ve pointed out that the House was supposed to collect evidence, establish witnesses and refer to the Senate trial. They’ve failed to do any of that, including choosing a specific legal crime, much less a ‘High” crime. I have to admit that’s a compelling argument. If they didn’t want witnesses and evidence before, why would we add them now? I think this DOES happen in court, but in the movies where someone happens to find the missing person or the smoking gun and puts the trial in disarray as they struggle to add evidence later.

    And dictatorship? Words have meanings: use them some time. So dictators usually obey all court orders, send all legislation through parliament, stop if it doesn’t pass, tolerate impeachment and removals meekly and without so much as counter-arresting, counter-impeaching, much less calling the generals and having mass arrests of resisting officials? I think that may be the opposite of every tick on the checklist for “dictator”. “Dic·ta·tor /ˈdikˌtādər/ a ruler with total power over a country, typically one who has obtained control by force”. Laughably lacking total power, and lacking control by force of any kind, and arguably much of any control at all as the executive refuses direct orders every day, and he cannot even fire insubordinate Ambassadors or reverse executive orders. But I’m sure if we don’t call ONE witness, all that will change and suddenly everyone will slavishly obey Cheeto-in-Chief, you know, ‘cause: reasons!

    …As if Americans obey anybody, ever. Talk about arguments “absurd”

    Actually, in a world of lies and madness I appreciate Dershowitz’s argument that you’re SUPPOSED to use “Abuse of Power”… but as a POLITICAL accusation, to win elections. It’s tradition. Go ahead, knock yourself out, it’s free speech, make your case, win your contest. …However, it is not a specific legal crime and has been hurled against 45 Presidents in a row, including George Washington, so it can’t be a legitimate standard. Seemed more compelling than Schiff’s “Orange Man is Bad, RussiaRussiaRussia.” Okay, great Adam: where and when? This is your case. Evidence please? “Adam Schiff just argued on the Senate floor that House Democrats can’t possibly be expected to prove their case” Because they, he, has no evidence, apparently? He’s not just the prosecutor, he’s the House manager who gathered the evidence and forced the vote. But now YOU, the chief gatherer-of-ecvidence find you have no evidence? The evidence you were supposed to have long before now as your job and your homework? Sorry, sir, I cannot help you now.

    White House Told Bolton His Book Contains ‘TOP SECRET’ Information (ZH)”

    Surprise to no one, media reported by this that Trump “attacked” Bolton. By telling him some things were still classified and would need to be reviewed. As is done 100% of the time. And is his required job to say. I guess Government officials doing their job really WOULD be news, wouldn’t it? And making them follow the rules in a time of universal failure really IS an attack! I mean, why single out this poor guy when no one else follows laws?

    Bolton also called Trump’s communications with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky “warm and cordial,”

    Just like the House and the delayed foreign aid, Bolton was so disturbed by Trump, he told no one and reported nothing. He had no objections and filed no complaints. Then he went on T.V. in full support. Sounds serious! Who can stand such villainy? And all America loves John Bolton. We are breathless on his every word and trust him implicitly.

    Ukraine Investigates Ex-President Poroshenko over Embezzlement (RT)”

    They’re Slavs so nothing they say or do can ever matter to the Ubermench in the media and DNC. Even when they have official reviews, official statements, and start new investigations into Joe. That’s all “unproven” “not suggested” as if they don’t exist. Those silly slavs! They’re not like real people, they are just children who must be guided and told by their betters. White Swede’s burden, who will graciously tell them what to do.

    in reply to: 2019-nCOV #53193
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    Readers to Armstrong on Wuhan:

    “#1: Lots of work at a BSL-4 lab actually takes place at a BSL-2 level. CDC and Chinese officials have pointed out that BSL-2 protocols are completely inadequate for 2019-nCoV.
    #2: BSL-4 (and any serious study of both virii and bacterial agents) requires both incubations as well as “test subjects”. These can (and often do) bite…or at least escape from cages.
    There is a good Lancet article on the Wuhan origins. Again, having worked in BSL related to study for infectious agents, the Lancet overview of infections and also knowing Chinese “culture” there are a couple of salient points:

    #1 Gloves. If BSL-2 protocols were not sufficient and yet lots of tests were being run there….Gloves got contaminated. For the lab – no problems, just toss them out – but for any poor person picking through the garbage and suddenly finding a “treasure trove” of “hardly used” gloves…Well. I’ve been to these markets and the sellers all wore gloves…
    The massive spike of infected people going to some random market suddenly got an incredible boost as a disease vector.”

    Again, this goes back to my line of embarrassment and they knew, as the U.S. knows, or well enough, but also WHY are they developing a disease of this nature? Well, obviously to kill a lot of people. Random people? It has no natural containment like a time-limit, so why make such a thing unless you want to kill everyone, yourself included? Maybe John Day knows. Ah, humans. Why ask why?

    “compared to 1918, they have developed much more sophisticated models to do that, aided greatly by computing power.”

    Except that anyone who knows computers knows they are always wrong and only compound human error faster. …Look at 30 years of dead-wrong climate computing, still accepted as reasonable and not discredited, neither by method nor the Agencies and Universities that failed always. If I predicted the Cincinnati Bengals would win the Superbowl 30 years in a row in new and interesting ways, could I not get discredited, at least some day? Anyway, yes, if you ‘garbage in’ alarming parameters, you get alarming results. If you ‘garbage in’ moderate parameters, you get moderate results. Big surprise. I can do that without computers. If Hopkins put in better parameters, they would find 99.9% of humanity would die in 96 hours. …But since humans are just making this up using pretty colors on a computer, that concoction wouldn’t sound plausible and newsworthy. In reality the extreme events are predicted constantly, daily almost, but are rare. That’s what makes them “extreme.” Because decade after decade they don’t happen. No one notices. What did Einstein say ‘the real human tragedy was that people do not understand statistics”? Or was it compounding interest?

    For predictions, yes, pandemics occur with climate change, specifically cooling periods. That correlates to unrest and shaky governments. But that’s a 200+ year cycle, so you won’t get the year nor probably even the style. Spanish Flu was unusual as far as I can tell. It happened only once and struck the young and healthy particularly. Plague would be more usual, returning over and over for even decades, but we have selection bias that 1918 is closer and the most recent, and generally Western, I think. Just like we think the next GFC will be 1929, which it wasn’t in ’08 and won’t be now. Like they thought the next war would involve horses and dreadnaughts, which it didn’t. Making predictions is hard, especially about the future. Will it happen? Yes, someday. I’d bet when we’re a lot more run down than now.

    Cancelling flights and massive semis of food, supplies, and support that Charles Smith pointed out only REQUIRES Wuhan to slip through quarantine and go home. They’re not going to sit around and get killed, especially by senseless unemployment and starvation. There are limits and they are pretty sloppy and low. They’re lauded by the WHO for being draconian, of course, instead of hearing from Napoleon who said, “Do you know what amazes me more than anything else? The impotence of force to organize anything.” Socialists never learn. Voluntary cooperation is the only way. If China and the WHO are so great, why is the virus everywhere on earth already? Lauding your success at keeping it off of Antarctica? But when you call failing in computer models for decades a success, why not call a total failure to contain – or even identify patients — a success?

    “My agency wants money and power, and my friends’ agencies want more money and power.” There, fixed it.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 29 2020 #53155
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    @ WES was the answer.

    You are correct: 6,000 / 130 = 0.02 which is how to express 2%.

    2% of 6B = 120M. If I can only math correctly this time.

    What we don’t know is the alternative, that 300,000 people have it because how would you test more than 6k unsymptomatic people? Then the numbers shift magnitudes again.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 29 2020 #53147
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    Your tunnel vision reminds me of the old monks who would read scrolls by the light of a single incense stick. The ember lights up one Kanji at a time before passing into darkness.

    KG

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 29 2020 #53146
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    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/man-behind-global-coronavirus-pandemic

    Posting for this job in Wuhan last month:

    “Dr. Peng Zhou (周鹏), Ph.D., a researcher at the Wuhan Institute of Virology and Leader of the Bat Virus Infection and Immunization Group. Some more on Zhou’s background from the Institute (google translated):
    He received his PhD in Wuhan Virus Research Institute in 2010 and has worked on bat virus and immunology in Australia and Singapore. In 2009 , he took the lead in starting the research on the immune mechanism of bat long-term carrying and transmitting virus in the world. So far, he has published more than 30 SCI articles, including the first and corresponding author’s Nature , Cell Host Microbe and PNAS . At present, research on bat virus and immunology is continuing, and it has received support from the National “You Qing” Fund, the pilot project of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, and the major project of the Ministry of Science and Technology.
    Below is a list of several recent papers published by Dr. Zhou
    • Dampened STING-Dependent Interferon Activation in Bats
    • Fatal swine acute diarrhoea syndrome caused by an HKU2-related coronavirus of bat origin
    • IFNAR2-dependent gene expression profile induced by IFN-α in Pteropus alecto bat cells and impact of IFNAR2 knockout on virus infection
    • Immunogenicity of the spike glycoprotein of Bat SARS-like coronavirus
    • Bat severe acute respiratory syndrome-like coronavirus ORF3b homologues display different interferon antagonist activities”

    But that is a total coincidence and is not suspicious at all.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 29 2020 #53145
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    Am I wrong or is 132 of 6,000 (known) cases 0.02% death rate? I think given the choice, you should jump at Corona instead of contracting the common cold. So what’s driving this still?
    Is it “Harvard Chemistry Chair & Two Chinese Nationals Arrested For Lying About China Ties, Smuggling “Biological Material” ?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/harvard-chemistry-chair-2-chinese-nationals-arrested-lying-about-china-ties-smuggling

    So as we saw, Bill Gates foundation has Coronavirus test, a month or so later, Corona smuggled from Harvard/Canada to China and caught. 30 days later, a real corona just like the two in question accidentally and coincidentally runs the Corona epidemic as tested. Huh. Funny ol’ world.

    Next: so far as anyone can prove, Wuhan is not dangerous. So…we have China, with labs, testing such things, doesn’t want to be embarrassed when it comes out they not only were doing it, but exposes/pressures their thousands of compromised ‘agent’ types, in Harvard and in Feinstein’s office? Now that makes some sense at least. U.S. services say “You broke it, you buy it: clean it up quick or we’ll start talking.” China starts taking drastic – and somewhat weird — actions. The real, dangerous corona is forestalled, and the excuse to crash the economy (instead of pointing at runaway compounding interest) is a squib. Nice try though.

    Following yesterday’s gloves, also note there are 3-4 sizes. And possibly latex v. nitrile. So at 200/box x 4 sizes, I think you’ll find 100,000 gloves would be average in the smallest hospital known, and possibly no more than one shipping container. But hey! Journalists asking questions? Nevah! Give me any big number that sounds exciting and I’ll print it.

    British Airways Suspends All Direct Flights to and from Mainland China (BBC)”

    At the same time – and I hate to bring this up – AOC was at a Bernie campaign and said Bernie signed on to 100% open borders, erasing the departments, no border guards at all. No door, No wall, No one testing, no one stamping passports, NOTHING. And Bernie is the DNC front-runner, which kind of makes it official party policy. So everyone from Wuhan is fully, totally welcome to fly to Nebraska, buy a house, re-align the census and Congress, elect our politicians, and we won’t even know.

    …I can NOT see how that is a winning campaign. Who are they talking to? I mean, they were campaigning IN MEXICO the other month, but surely they still think there are SOME existing citizens who go to the polls. …No clue.

    Anyway: Vote YES! to Wuhan. Open borders! Import some today! Bad timing, man.

    “It would be interesting to conduct a secret ballot asking members of Congress — and indeed, members of the media — to confide whether they actually read the report.”

    Don’t be ridiculous, everyone knows Congress and the Media are illiterate. They didn’t issue a comic book, so…

    unlikely horse trade of a witness like former National Security Adviser John Bolton for Hunter Biden.”

    This could not possibly be more foreseen and expected. If they fall for this trap, I don’t know what to say. Weren’t the other 500 traps since ’16 a warning? Even this minute, Kelly is out there saying “Oh golly! Don’t throw Bolton in the briar patch! Anything but Bolton who we salted with fake intel, to get Hunter under oath! Ow, ow!” YGTBKM.

    Trump and Netanyahu Dictate Terms of Palestinian Surrender (IC)”

    Since Gaza is the world’s largest open-air concentration camp, forgive me if I don’t like the plan to make more.

    Israel Will Now Officially Become an Apartheid State (Lauria)

    Yes, and the most officially racist state on earth. You must be proud. Maybe it’s better for it to be open and official though, so we can stop 50 years of idiotic denials. Not just racist, but violent and theocratic, like their good pal Saudi Arabia.

    shipping weapons to Kiev would effectively amount to the US turning its back on Ukrainian”

    So apparently if you ship arms you’re Russian, and if you DON’T ship arms, you’re Russian. If you help, you’re Russian and if you leave you’re Russian. If you break treaties you’re Russian and if you make treaties you’re Russian. Newsflash: You’re Russian! RussiaRussiaRussia! Who knew a nation the size of New Jersey was running the U.S. and setting elections worldwide! If only Karl Rove and John Podesta could access this technology that controls all minds, all matter, all nations on earth! Who knew a mere $10,000 could throw every election into disarray? If only I’d racked a credit card and taken over the world myself! Cleverly, they’ve surrounded themselves with U.S. nukes and military bases! No one will suspect when they finally push their own button and nuke themselves from Belarus! Hahaha! Then they’ll see!

    …Don’t worry, it doesn’t matter what I say, or how illogical it is, it is still believed without the slightest hesitation. That’s what happens when in your religion, logic is your arch-enemy. The crazier it is, the more counterproductive, the better they like it.

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