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Ivan Aivazovsky Among the waves 1898

 

Yeah, just keep ’em coming, right, so that when the last one falls flat on its face people will have already forgotten about it and instead focus on the new one. It’s been the modus operandi of the US MSM ever since Donald Trump emerged as an actual presidential candidate, and they haven’t let go.

They realize by now that it divides the nation, it costs them a large chunk of their potential readers and viewers, and creates chaos all around, but the bottom line is it makes them money. Because those people who fall into the echo chamber trap, tumble into it fast and furious, and will gladly pay to read yet another installment of how bad the man really is.

But it is getting out of hand, guys and gals, it is becoming a real and present danger to the -formerly- United States. The anti-Russia propaganda machine far predates Trump, but manufacturing an ever closer link between the two has proven to be a masterstroke of media genius.

That Vladimir Putin is an existential threat to the US and indeed the entire western world is a narrative taken straight out of Edward Bernays’ playbook. And it works like a charm. The problem is, it is also the biggest threat to peace anywhere on the globe that we have ever seen since WWII.

Putin is a patriot who came to the fore in mostly unexplained ways, named by American puppet Boris Yeltsin as his successor, only to save his country from US-induced plundering and restore Russia as a functioning country. Far from perfect, but functioning. Don’t forget that Russian life-expectancy fell by many years in the post-Gorbachev era. And then look now.

Yes, Putin uses some hard-handed tactics from time to time. He has no choice: the US threat to Russia is an ongoing one. There’s still a huge economic threat, of which US sanctions are but a minor part, there’s an intelligence threat, there’s NATO encroaching upon Russia’s borders.

Thus far, Putin has been able to counter them all. And his popularity among Russia’s population is far higher than that of any western politician. His people understand and recognize what he’s done and why he’s done it. He refuses for his country to be overrun and sold off to the highest bidders.

 

Just a few of the points of contention: Crimea – The US tried to take away Russia’s only warm water port. Putin countered with what through non-western eyes was tactical masterpiece; no violence, no shots fired, an election that saw an overwhelming majority of Crimeans voted to (re-)join Russia.

Connected to Crimea is Ukraine. Putin had -and has- to protect Russian-speaking people in the region. Who were going to be under threat from the very dubious, neo-nazi linked government installed by the US after the coup. All Putin has been able to achieve so far is a very brittle stand still. But ‘his’ people in Eastern Ukraine have strong links to the Russian area just across the border. He’s not going to sell them out.

Connected to Ukraine is MH17. The Netherlands commemorates the victims of the shooting down again today. Several years of investigating have come up with no conclusive proof, even if they say it has. The problem is that the investigation was -is- led by The Netherlands itself. You don’t let the biggest victim conduct an investigation.

What’s worse: the Ukraine was actively involved in the investigation, even when it was a potential culprit. Try to write that scenario into the plot of one of your favorite TV crime series. Won’t fly.

 

Then the novichok ‘events’ in the UK. Again, no evidence, but tons of allegations. And if Russia says it’s not guilty, everyone says and writes: of course they would say that. They get accused anyway. Still, no evidence is no evidence. the time that intelligence agencies were believed on their word is over. And they did it to themselves.

In the regard, it’s useful to see that Robert Mueller was one of the people who ‘swore’ that the Weapons of Mass Destruction ‘evidence’ against Saddam Hussein was real. We now know it was complete and utter fiction. Intelligence has overplayed its hand, and they won’t get it back for a long time.

People now realize they cannot be trusted. Well, not those who read and view the MSM, but then that’s sort of the entire point, isn’t it? That’s where the dividing line is being drawn. The CIA, FBI et al present a view of the world in concoction with the media that they think a sufficient number of people will swallow, and that’s really all they care for.

And boy, it is successful. The vitriol spewed over the Helsinki summit is something to behold. #TreasonSummit was a trending hashtag. For a meeting that was long overdue and aimed at calming down tensions. The by now very poorly named ‘social’ media play an ever bigger role in these things.

People can say whatever they want on them, without feeling they’ll ever actually be tested on their claims. One after the other, and each one trying to outdo the last. It all leads up to one particular worldview at the exclusion of all others. And again, that is very dangerous.

 

Mueller’s indictment of 12 Russians, which just happened to coincide with the first meeting of American and Russian presidents in an exceptionally long time, has been shot full of holes by many commentators, see for instance Adam Carter and Aaron Mate, but those views won’t make it to CNN or the NYT.

But despite the fact that the indictment is hollow and riddled with holes, it’s been a large part of why people call Trump a traitor for meeting with Putin. It ties together their opinions, carefully built along Bernays principles over the past two years. It’s a Matrix, it’s a trap. But then they throw in another story, of a 29 year-old Russian(!) girl arrested for allegedly setting up links between Russia and the NRA when she was 24 or so, and that replaces the Mueller indictment in most attention spans. And so the carrousel goes on. The torture never stops.

See, the idea is that you get yourself informed and then form your own opinion. Not that you let others pre-cook and pre-chew your opinions for you. Still, once you’re inside the deafening echo chamber, that’s what inevitably happens. Because there’s so much one-sided innuendo in there, your head aches and you just give up all resistance. Just to have a quiet moment.

And so very many Americans end up believing that indeed their president is guilty of treason. Because so many pundits claim that he is. But how many of them understand what treason really is, how serious an allegation it is? Is doesn’t really matter anymore, does it? Because all those others say he is, and they can’t all be wrong. And the echo chamber gives you a headache.

This is where I should say that somebody better do something about this, but it’s hard to see what. The divide has grown into a chasm. And that both sides are equally to blame for that doesn’t excuse either side’s wilful blindness. But yes, I hear you, it makes them money.

Still, if a US president can no longer talk to another president without being accused of treason, you’re in a scary predicament.

At some point you’re going to need real proof. And Bob Mueller is not going to get it for you. That’s what his indictment of the 12 Russians, as well as the moment he released it, makes abundantly clear. Mueller is -forever- going to hide behind the ‘Trust me, I’m the FBI’ line. Well, he betrayed you before. Wisen up. Demand evidence.

We know Mueller betrayed America when he made false claims over WMD. We have no evidence that Trump betrayed his country, we have only allegations. He may be a poor choice for president, but that’s not the same thing.

 

 

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    Ivan Aivazovsky Among the waves 1898   Yeah, just keep ’em coming, right, so that when the last one falls flat on its face people will have alrea
    [See the full post at: Treason? Get A Life!]

    #41847

    V. Arnold
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    I think it’s done; Brenner already used the coup word.
    Trump is not in control…
    This may be the perfect storm for the overthrow of the U.S. government by “true” patriots.
    Many books and a few movies tell it well…
    In fact, it’s straight out of Seven Days in May from 1964; Jorden Lyman President, wanting a truce with the Soviet Union. A veritable blueprint…

    #41848

    V. Arnold
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    Ivan Aivazovsky has indeed captured waves in his paintings; having been to sea, I know this.
    The terror and curiosity of being in the trough of a 30′ swell for the first time, in a 40′ double ender.
    I feel like one of the chosen; having seen the green flash…

    #41849

    zerosum
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    Countries in the world by population (2018)
    http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/

    # 3 U.S. 326,766,748
    # 9 Russia 143,964,709
    ======
    Get the big picture!!!!
    You can re-organize the lists
    Try the migrant collum.
    Ask yourself why are people leaving or going to a country

    #41850

    John Day
    Participant

    Former California Governator has these words to emote for current POTUS, emoted fervently in 30 second video clip that went semi-viral…
    “I mean, you stood there like a little wet noodle, like a little fan boy, I mean… I was asking myself when are you going to ask him for an autograph or a selfie or something like that? I mean, you literally sold out to this press conference our intelligence community, our justice system and worst of all our country.”
    “You’re the President of the United States you shouldn’t do that. What’s the matter with you?’ Whatever happened to the strong words or to the strength of Ronald Reagan, when he stood there at the Berlin wall and said: Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall? What happened to all that?”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-17/what-happened-ronald-reagan-schwarzenegger-blasts-fanboy-trump-over-putin-meeting

    Mish Shedlock: ​ The mass hysteria following Trump’s meeting with Putin is likely to last for days. Most are outraged. Few see the light.
    https://www.themaven.net/mishtalk/economics/mass-hysteria-vkQlQ1iuLEmF5S9-DqEx0A/

    The Voice of (t)Reason:
    ​ “As for who to believe and who you can’t believe… can you believe at all – you can’t believe anyone.” Vladimir Putin
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-17/putin-denies-having-dirt-trump-calls-accusations-election-interference-utterly

    (Feel threatened much, John?)
    Former Obama-era CIA Director – and ubiquitous tweeter of anti-Trump rhetoric – John Brennan just unleashed the most aggressive comment yet on the Trump-Putin Summit, claiming it was an act of treason.
    “Why did Trump meet 1 on 1 with Putin? What might he be hiding from Bolton, Pompeo, Kelly, & the American public?How will Putin use whatever Trump could be hiding to advantage Russia & hurt America? Trump’s total lack of credibility renders spurious whatever explanation he gives.”
    “Donald Trump’s press performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of ‘high crimes and misdemeanors,'” Brennan tweeted. “It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin. Republican Patriots: Where are you???”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-16/john-brennan-blasts-trumps-press-conference-nothing-short-treasonous

    ​Peace Talk Between Nuclear Superpowers Offends America’s Assholes and Morons​, Caitlin Johnstone:
    When I was a little girl I used to end all my nightly prayers with the words, “And please no nuclear war, and peace on earth. Amen.”​ ​
    https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/peace-talk-between-nuclear-superpowers-offends-americas-assholes-and-morons-14158ef5cade

    Beginning his joint press conference with Vladimir Putin, President Trump declared that U.S. relations with Russia have “never been worse.”
    He then added pointedly, that just changed “about four hours ago.”​…He has rejected the fundamental premises of American foreign policy since the end of the Cold War and blamed our wretched relations with Russia, not on Vladimir Putin, but squarely on the U.S. establishment… On Syria, Trump indicated that he and Putin are working with Bibi Netanyahu, who wants all Iranian forces and Iran-backed militias kept far from the Golan Heights. As for U.S. troops in Syria, says Trump, they will be coming out after ISIS is crushed, and we are 98 percent there.. Pat Buchanan
    ​http://buchanan.org/blog/trump-calls-off-cold-war-ii-129662

    #41851

    V. Arnold
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    zerosum

    And your point is lost on me…
    WTF are you talking about?
    Your link? WTF?
    Please, what is your point?

    #41852

    zerosum
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    There is a bully on this planet.
    He is 3 times bigger than Russia.

    The talk is that USA did not act like a bully with Putin

    #41855

    regionswork
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    <ahref=”https://www.eisenhower.archives.gov/research/online_documents/farewell_address.html”>President Eisenhower’s Farewell Address, 1961 set out the problem. The military-industrial-legislative complex in the U.S. and other nations keep the game going, as do the other complexes that use the same playbook. Politicians that have to be elected need money to run, so they play the game as it has evolved. They did not make the game.

    In 1967-8, at the University of Wisconsin in Madison, there were many protesting against the war in Vietnam. I was surprised though by one guy who was ready to go fight in Israel at the time of the Six-Day War on 1967.

    Somehow, following my nose in the library stacks, then open 24/7, I found out the Vietnam conflict was a war of liberation. In the ongoing fight against Communism, the U.S. was not promoting democracy, but supporting right wing dictatorships. Meanwhile, when I heard sirens at night, I expected incoming missiles.

    This was the climate of fear the Cold War had created. Still, the stupidity of war was clear. Why was that the way of the world?

    With the end of the Cold War there was no peace dividend. Dismantling of some nuclear weapons eventually let me relax about a Soviet first strike, though other nations play the game regionally.

    In the 1960s, the University of Wisconsin – Madison had a nuclear engineering program and small reactor. I saw it when visiting the campus for a science program as a high school senior.

    On campus 1967-8, a house mate said that one of the Indian students was there to bring the bomb to India. Obviously that plan worked, though many probably were sent.

    As one who worked on promoting cooperation between local governments for regional planning to enable development, geo-politics at a small scale, there were successes after 20 years.

    When the experts said, in a 1998 summit, regional cooperation had failed in the U.S., I was confused, since my region had successes. (thus my user name – regionswork).

    Analyzing the situation, I had some contrary conclusions about notions of cooperation which I put into three theses. 1. Community precedes cooperation. (If you want something done, you go out and build community around the need, issue, action,… From that common base, cooperation can begin to move forward. Solutions have to be win-win-win-… for all around the table. Many examples of this in the world, this just a naming).

    2. Community is how life solves all problems. (This applies from human to microbe to plant to animals to tribes to organizations to empires to… To persist in life, to keep growing, answers, changes, adaptations are needed it you did. Environmental change can occur to fast in some cases. Community intelligence, the breeding community is the intelligent design mechanism. There is failure of intelligence, so extinction may end one groups evolution.

    3. The primary purpose of community is security. (This came to me after 9-11. At the time of an event you go to the aid of the needy and isolate the perpetrators. In disaster, this community motivated response deep in us, for we carry the genetics of the survivors, come into play to help those in dire need. The nature of security changes as human communities advance.)

    I’m working on a 4th thesis. Something like: Security is relative and impermanent. World wide human organization is a mix of tribal and nation-state territorial units. Power and domination can provide security and freedom for the few or the many. At many scales it can be informed self governance, or a protection racket.

    In order to have some peace for families, a hegemonic protection is accepted, even if restrictive. Existence of alternatives may not be visible. Education about the world can make this known, or it may be intuited.

    Competition can not be taken out of life in the world. Cooperation is not the opposite of competition. Competition makes us stronger. What is needed is a level playing field and rules. All the competitors need to cooperate to make the rules and maintain fairness. The World Cup did that, as does the Olympics and all legitimate sports. This has been known for centuries.

    War is wasteful and allocates resources poorly. Communities require security forces, defense of borders and policing. Protection is often a racket.

    Could it be humanity is living beyond what the planet can support? There’s all that unpayable debt. The can is not kicked down the road. Refinancing debt sends it into the future, avoiding acknowledgement of the poor use of the initial wealth.

    In future there will be less. How we are organized is what will count. We can sit around and argue now. People are doing the best they can everyday just to get by. News of the weather, traffic, local events is useful.

    In 1972 the notion was presented to the world that there are “limits to growth”. That was not recognized in any meaningful way. Julian L. Simon’s 1981 book “The Ultimate Resource” said more human minds meant any problem of resource scarcity would be solved.

    The experience of economic growth has been declining for many for 20 years or more. Admitting limits is not something easy to do, so we blame others. Blaming is the means of covering the fact that you or your party don’t know what to do. There’s no quick fix.

    Another book published in 1981 was “Voluntary Simplicity” by Duane Elgin. Two paths were offered.

    Involuntary austerity may appear in the form of a depression. A period of conservative, simple living, that avoided blaming others and war, giving time for a thoughtful rebalancing of the world’s environmental systems and economies would be a miracle.

    Will President Donald Trump’s actions lead the world to this sort of resolution? I’m praying.

    #41856

    casamurphy
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    Trump has no style or finesse. He can’t do anything correctly. He is basically an idiot. He could start shitting gold bricks a mile a minute into the US Treasury and I would still hate his guts. I applaud anyone anywhere who helps feed the unrelenting criticism of anything about him. Please! All I yearn for at this point is a president who speaks in coherent sentences and has at least a 5th grade vocabulary! Even though I basically agree with Caitlin Johnstone about the need to change USA’s foreign policy, I resent the bumbling chaos, corruption, and incompetence spewing forth from Trump’s core. He is the proverbial broken clock and I will never give him credit for ever being right about anything.

    #41858

    V. Arnold
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    zerosum
    There is a bully on this planet.
    He is 3 times bigger than Russia.
    The talk is that USA did not act like a bully with Putin

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Okay, got it.

    But remember, size doesn’t matter; Russia punches 4 times above its weight. 😉

    #41864

    dejadad
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    What can I say, except that this is what KarlMarx foretold, that capitalism (and its enabler) would consume itself in the destruction of its own fire.

    #41871

    Dr. D
    Participant

    The debt is fake. It only exists in human minds, as a fantasy. Freeze the planet in time and fly around looking at it. Do you see debt anywhere? There are fields making things, and people eating them. Factories are creating so many goods the price is approaching worthless, and people using them. Energy is flowing up and out like a tree. There are people, animals, plants, ecosystems. They are functioning as they are right this instant. So if they can exist now, why shouldn’t they persist as well? Evolve as they have for 10,000 years? Just a thought experiment to get out of our usual way of looking at things, filled as they are with the noise and false urgency of monkey-mind.

    Casa, while well met, that does not seem to be a logical argument but an emotional one. Emotions don’t make bread, only work does. You can take up arms against the President if you wish regardless of the good or bad of his actions, but it would seem more productive to use his actions and nature to achieve positive ends. If he’s ending wars in Korea, Syria, Afghanistan, and NATO, why shouldn’t we help him with that while he’s around? The next guy may again be a Bush or McCain and it would be a shame not to set back the war machine by 100 years if we can. You’re raging against apples because you wanted potatoes. Use what you’ve got.

    #41872

    Dr. D
    Participant

    Dejadad that may be true, but Marx has been wrong on timing for 151 years, and killed 100 million of your fellow men.

    What do I say of capitalism? That just means people can make, own, and trade their own property without it being stolen from them. It just means that when people fail, they go bankrupt and start over. Capitalism? Maybe we should try it sometime, because I don’t see any here.

    #41875

    John Day
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    Good essay, Regionswork. Much appreciated. We follow the same star.
    http://www.johndayblog.com/

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