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Piet Mondriaan The red cloud 1907

 

 

This is a open letter by a virologist named Geert Vanden Bossche. It may well be the scariest thing I’ve read on Covid19 so far. It took me a long time to edit it, there were hundreds of spelling mistakes. If any are left (no doubt), blame me.

Core: the vaccination campaigns and “measures” presently employed are the worst thing we could do: they only serve to make us weaker and the virus stronger, “turning a relatively harmless virus into a bioweapon of mass destruction” that will “wipe out large parts of our human population”.

 

 

Geert Vanden Bossche, DMV, PhD, independent virologist and vaccine expert, formerly employed at GAVI and The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. To all authorities, scientists and experts around the world, to whom this concerns: the entire world populaton.

 

I am all but an anti-vaxxer. As a scientist I do not usually appeal to any platform of this kind to make a stand on vaccine-related topics. As a dedicated virologist and vaccine expert I only make an exception when health authorities allow vaccines to be administered in ways that threaten public health, most certainly when scientific evidence is being ignored. The present extremely critical situation forces me to spread this emergency call. As the unprecedented extent of human intervention in the Covid-19 pandemic is now at risk of resulting in a global catastrophe without equal, this call cannot sound loudly and strongly enough.

As stated, I am not against vaccination. On the contrary, I can assure you that each of the current vaccines have been designed, developed and manufactured by brilliant and competent scientists. However, this type of prophylactic vaccines are completely inappropriate, and even highly dangerous, when used in mass vaccination campaigns during a viral pandemic. Vaccinologists, scientists and clinicians are blinded by the positve short-term efects in individual patients, but don’t seem to bother about the disastrous consequences for global health. Unless I am scientifically proven wrong, it is difficult to understand how current human interventons will prevent circulating variants from turning into a wild monster.

 

Racing against the clock, I am completing my scientific manuscript, the publicaton of which is, unfortunately, likely to come too late given the ever increasing threat from rapidly spreading, highly infectious variants. This is why I decided to already post a summary of my findings as well as my keynote speech at the recent Vaccine Summit in Ohio on LinkedIn. Last Monday, I provided internatonal health organizatons, including the WHO, with my analysis of the current pandemic as based on scientifically informed insights in the immune biology of Covid-19. Given the level of emergency, I urged them to consider my concerns and to initiate a debate on the detrimental consequences of further ‘viral immune escape’. For those who are no experts in this feld, I am attaching below a more accessible and comprehensible version of the science behind this insidious phenomenon.

While there is no time to spare, I have not received any feedback thus far. Experts and politicians have remained silent while obviously still eager to talk about relaxing infecton prevention rules and ‘springtme freedom’. My statements are based on nothing else but science. They shall only be contradicted by science. While one can barely make any incorrect scientific statements without being criticized by peers, it seems like the elite of scientsts who are currently advising our world leaders prefer to stay silent. Sufficient scientific evidence has been brought to the table.

Unfortunately, it remains untouched by those who have the power to act. How long can one ignore the problem when there is at present massive evidence that viral immune escape is now threatening humanity? We can hardly say we didn’t know – or were not warned. In this agonizing letter I put all of my reputation and credibility at stake. I expect from you, guardians of mankind, at least the same. It is of utmost urgency. Do open the debate. By all means: turn the tide!

 

The key question is: why does nobody seem to bother about viral immune escape? Let me try to explain this by means of a more easily understood phenomenon: Antimicrobial resistance. One can easily extrapolate this scourge to resistance to our self-made ‘antiviral antibiotics’. Indeed, antibodies (Abs) produced by our own immune system can be considered self-made antiviral antibiotics, regardless of whether they are part of our innate immune system (so-called ‘natural’ Abs’) or elicited in response to specific pathogens (resulting in so-called ‘acquired’ Abs). Natural Abs are not germ-specific whereas acquired Abs are specifically directed at the invading pathogen. At birth, our innate immune system is ‘unexperienced’ but well-established. It protects us from a multitude of pathogens, thereby preventing these pathogens from causing disease. As the innate immune system cannot remember the pathogens it encountered (innate immunity has no so-called ‘immunological memory’), we can only continue to rely on it provided we keep it ‘trained’ well enough. Training is achieved by regular exposure to a myriad of environmental agents, including pathogens.

However, as we age, we will increasingly face situations where our innate immunity (often called ‘the first line of immune defense’) is not strong enough to halt the pathogen at the portal of entry (mostly mucosal barriers like respiratory or intestinal epithelia). When this happens, the immune system has to rely on more specialized effectors of our immune system (i.e., antigen-specific Abs and T cells) to fight the pathogen. So, as we grow up, we increasingly mount pathogen-specific immunity, including highly specific Abs. As those have stronger affinity for the pathogen (e.g., virus) and can reach high concentratons, they can quite easily outcompete our natural Abs for binding to the pathogen/virus. It is precisely this type of highly specific, high affinity Abs that current Covid-19 vaccines are inducing. Of course, the noble purpose of these Abs is to protect us against Covid-19. So, why then should there be a major concern using these vaccines to fight Covid-19? Well, similar to the rules applying to classical antimicrobial antbiotics, it is paramount that our self-made ‘antiviral antibiotcs’ are made available in sufifcient concentration and are tailored at the specific features of our enemy.

 

This is why in case of bacterial disease it is critical to not only choose the right type of antibiotic (based on the results from an antibiogram) but to also take the antibiotic for long enough (according to the prescripton). Failure to comply with these requirements is at risk of granting microbes a chance to survive and hence, may cause the disease to flare up. A very similar mechanism may also apply to viruses, especially to viruses that can easily and rapidly mutate (which is, for example, the case with Coronaviruses); when the pressure exerted by the army’s (read: population’s) immune defense starts to threaten viral replication and transmission, the virus will take on another coat so that it can no longer be easily recognized and, therefore, attacked by the host immune system. The virus is now able to escape immunity (so-called: ‘immune escape’). However, the virus can only rely on this strategy provided it stll has room enough to replicate.

Viruses, in contrast to the majority of bacteria, must rely on living host cells to replicate. This is why the occurrence of ‘escape mutants’ isn’t too worrisome as long as the likelihood for these variants to rapidly find another host is quite remote. However, that’s not particularly the case during a viral pandemic! During a pandemic, the virus is spreading all over the globe with many subjects shedding and transmitting the virus (even including asymptomatic ‘carriers’). The higher the viral load, the higher the likelihood for the virus to bump into subjects who haven’t been infected yet or who were infected but didn’t develop symptoms. Unless they are sufficiently protected by their innate immune defense (through natural Abs), they will catch Covid-19 disease as they cannot rely on other, i.e., acquired Abs. It has been extensively reported, indeed, that the increase in S (spike)-specific Abs in asymptomatically infected people is rather limited and only short-lived.

Furthermore, these Abs have not achieved full maturity. The combinaton of viral infection on a background of suboptimal Ab maturity and concentration enables the virus to select mutations allowing it to escape the immune pressure. The selection of those mutations preferably occurs in the S protein as this is the viral protein that is responsible for viral infectiousness. As the selected mutations endow the virus with increased infectious capacity, it now becomes much easier for the virus to cause severe disease in infected subjects. The more people develop symptomatic disease, the better the virus can secure its propagation and perpetuation (people who get severe disease will shed more virus and for a longer period of time than asymptomatically infected subjects do). Unfortunately enough, the short-lived rise in S-specific Abs does, however, suffice to bypass people’s innate/natural Ab. Those are put out of business as their affinity for S is lower than the affinity of S-specific Abs.

 

This is to say that with an increasing rate of infection in the populaton, the number of subjects who get infected while experiencing a momentary increase in S-specific Abs will steadily increase. Consequently, the number of subjects who get infected while experiencing a momentary decrease in their innate immunity will increase. As a result, a steadily increasing number of subjects will become more susceptble to getting severe disease instead of showing only mild symptoms (i.e., limited to the upper respiratory tract) or no symptoms at all. During a pandemic, especially youngsters will be affected by this evolution as their natural Abs are not yet largely suppressed by a panoply of ‘acquired’, antigen-specific Abs.

Natural Abs, and natural immunity in general, play a critical role in protecting us from pathogens as they constitute our first line of immune defense. In contrast to acquired immunity, innate immune responses protect against a large spectrum of pathogens (so don’t compromise or sacrifce your innate immune defense!). Because natural Abs and innate immune cells recognize a diversifed spectrum of foreign (i.e., non-self) agents (only some of which have pathogenic potential), it’s important, indeed, to keep it sufficiently exposed to environmental challenges. By keeping the innate immune system (which, unfortunately, has no memory!) TRAINED, we can much more easily resist germs which have real pathogenic potential. It has, for example, been reported and scientfically proven that exposure to other, quite harmless Coronaviruses causing a ‘common cold ’ can provide protection, although short-lived, against Covid-19 and its loyal henchmen (i.e., the more infectious variants).

Suppression of innate immunity, especially in the younger age groups, can, therefore, become very problematic. There can be no doubt that lack of exposure due to stringent containment measures implemented as of the beginning of the pandemic has not been beneficial to keeping people’s innate immune system well trained. As if this was not already heavily compromising innate immune defense in this population segment, there comes yet another force into play that will dramatcally enhance morbidity and mortality rates in the younger age groups: MASS VACCINATION of the ELDERLY. The more extensively the later age group will be vaccinated and hence, protected, the more the virus is forced to continue causing disease in younger age groups. This is only going to be possible provided it escapes to the S-specific Abs that are momentarily raised in previously asymptomatically infected subjects. If the virus manages to do so, it can benefit from the (momentarily) suppressed innate immunity, thereby causing disease in an increasing number of these subjects and ensuring its own propagation. Selecting targeted mutations in the S protein is, therefore, the way to go in order for the virus to enhance its infectiousness in candidates that are prone to getting the disease because of a transient weakness of their innate immune defense.

 

But in the meantme, we’re also facing a huge problem in vaccinated people as they’re now more and more confronted with infectious variants displaying a type of S protein that is increasingly different from the S edition comprised with the vaccine (the later edition originates from the original, much less infectious strain at the beginning of the pandemic). The more variants become infectious (i.e., as a result of blocking access of the virus to the vaccinated segment of the populaton), the less vaccinal Abs will protect. Already now, lack of protection is leading to viral shedding and transmission in vaccine recipients who are exposed to these more infectious strains (which, by the way, increasingly dominate the field). This is how we are currently turning vaccinees into asymptomatic carriers shedding infectious variants.

At some point, in a likely very near future, it’s going to become more profitable (in term of ‘return on selection investment’) for the virus to just add another few mutations (maybe just one or two) to the S protein of viral variants (already endowed with multiple mutations enhancing infectiousness) in an attempt to further strengthen its binding to the receptor (ACE-2) expressed on the surface of permissive epithelial cells. This will now allow the new variant to outcompete vaccinal Abs for binding to the ACE receptor. This is to say that at this stage, it would only take very few additonal targeted mutations within the viral receptor-binding domain to fully resist S-specific anti-Covid-19 Abs, regardless whether the latter are elicited by the vaccine or by natural infecton. At that stage, the virus will, indeed, have managed to gain access to a huge reservoir of subjects who have now become highly susceptible to disease as their S-specific Abs have now become useless in terms of protection but still manage to provide for long-lived suppression of their innate immunity (i.e., natural infecton, and especially vaccination, elicit relatively long-lived specific Ab titers). The susceptible reservoir comprises both, vaccinated people and those who’re left with sufficient S-specific Abs due to previous Covid-19 disease).

 

So, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED for Covid-19 but a DISASTROUS SITUATION for all vaccinated subjects and Covid-19 seropositive people as they’ve now lost both, their acquired and innate immune defense against Covid-19 (while highly infectious strains are circulating!). That’s “one small step for the virus, one giant catastrophe for mankind”, which is to say that we’ll have whipped up the virus in the younger populaton up to a level that it now takes little effort for Covid-19 to transform into a highly infectious virus that completely ignores both the innate arm of our immune system as well as the adaptive/acquired one (regardless of whether the acquired Abs resulted from vaccination or natural infection). The effort for the virus is now becoming even more negligible given that many vaccine recipients are now exposed to highly infectious viral variants while having received only a single shot of the vaccine.

Hence, they are endowed with Abs that have not yet acquired optimal functonality. There is no need to explain that this is just going to further enhance immune escape. Basically, we’ll very soon be confronted with a super-infectious virus that completely resists our most precious defense mechanism: The human immune system. From all of the above, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to imagine how the consequences of the extensive and erroneous human interventon in this pandemic are not going to wipe out large parts of our human population. One could only think of very few other strategies to achieve the same level of efficiency in turning a relatively harmless virus into a bioweapon of mass destruction. It’s certainly also worth mentioning that mutations in the S protein (i.e., exactly the same protein that is subject to selection of escape mutations) are known to enable Coronaviruses to cross species barriers.

This is to say that the risk that vaccine-mediated immune escape could allow the virus to jump to other animal species, especially industrial livestock (e.g., pig and poultry farms), is not negligible. These species are already known to host several different Coronaviruses and are usually housed in farms with high stocking density. Similar to the situation with infuenza virus, these species could then serve as an additonal reservoir for SARS-COVID-2 virus. As pathogens have co-evolved with the host immune system, natural pandemics of acute self-limiting viral infectons have been shaped such as to take a toll on human lives that is not higher than strictly required. Due to human intervention, the course of this pandemic has been thoroughly disturbed as of the very beginning. Widespread and stringent infection prevention measures combined with mass vaccination campaigns using inadequate vaccines will undoubtedly lead to a situation where the pandemic is getting increasingly ‘out of control’. Paradoxically, the only intervention that could offer a perspective to end this pandemic (other than to let it run its disastrous course) is …VACCINATION.

 

Of course, the type of vaccines to be used would be completely different of conventional vaccines in that they’re not inducing the usual suspects, i.e., B and T cells, but NK (Natural Killer) cells. There is, indeed, compelling scientfic evidence that these cells play a key role in facilitating complete eliminaton of Covid-19 at an early stage of infecton in asymptomatically infected subjects. NK cells are part of the cellular arm of our innate immune system and, like natural Abs, they are capable of recognizing and attacking a broad and diversifed spectrum of pathogenic agents. There is a sound scientfic rationale to assume that it is possible to ‘prime’ NK cells in ways for them to recognize and kill Coronaviruses at large (include all their variants) at an early stage of infecton. NK cells have increasingly been described to be endowed with the capacity to acquire immunological memory. By educating these cells in ways that enable them to durably recognize and target Coronavirus-infected cells, our immune system could be perfectly armed for a targeted attack to the universe of Coronaviruses prior to exposure. As NK cell-based immune defense provides sterilizing immunity and allows for broadspectrum and fast protection, it is reasonable to assume that harnessing our innate immune cells is going to be the only type of human interventon left to halt the dangerous spread of highly infectious Covid-19 variants.

If we, human beings, are commited to perpetuating our species, we have no choice left but to eradicate these highly infectious viral variants. This will, indeed, require large vaccination campaigns. However, NK cell-based vaccines will primarily enable our natural immunity to be betetr prepared (memory!) and to induce herd immunity (which is exactly the opposite of what current Covid-19 vaccines do as those increasingly turn vaccine recipients into asymptomatic carriers who are shedding virus). So, there is not one second left for gears to be switched and to replace the current killer vaccines by life-saving vaccines. I am appealing to the WHO and all stakeholders involved, no mater their convicton, to immediately declare such action as THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY OF INTERNATIONAL CONCERN.

Author: Geert Vanden Bossche, DVM, PhD (March 6, 2021) – https://www.linkedin.com/in/geertvandenbossche/

 

 

 

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    Piet Mondriaan The red cloud 1907     This is a open letter by a virologist named Geert Vanden Bossche. It may well be the scariest thing I’
    [See the full post at: Mass Vaccination Amidst A Pandemic Creates An Irrepressible Monster]

    #70944
    Olduvai
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    So we are doing the exact opposite of what is best for us in the long run? Unfortunately, nothing surprising there.

    It reminds me of this passage from Donella Meadows in her book Thinking in Systems: “…a clear leverage point: growth. Not only population growth, but economic growth. Growth has costs as well as benefits, and we typically don’t count the costs—among which are poverty and hunger, environmental destruction and so on—the whole list of problems we are trying to solve with growth! What is needed is much slower growth, very different kinds of growth, and in some cases no growth or negative growth. The world leaders are correctly fixated on economic growth as the answer to all problems, but they’re pushing with all their might in the wrong direction. …leverage points frequently are not intuitive. Or if they are, we too often use them backward, systematically worsening whatever problems we are trying to solve.”

    #70947
    Dr. D
    Participant

    From the name I guess that GVB is a Dutch speaker but attempting to write in the international language of English in order to extend his audience?

    What he’s saying is certainly possible but by no means required. The impluse, the tide is there, but there are many systems and mechanisms in place and if so the response will be very messy. The better to confuse what actually happened and who’s responsible. I just know since 1821 with Frankenstein, Science is incapable of learning, incapable of self-reflection on their self-inflicted side-effects (also known as “effects”, “cause and effects”) chasing the horizon.

    They wanted easier work and now all men work 24/7 tied to a phone with no family, not friends, and no Medieval Feast Days and no Sabbath. Was pumping water in a bucket really that hard? But they said “We’ll take only the good things and not the bad things. We’re so smart we’ll make a one-sided coin.” And here we are. This will be no different, but how it plays out I can’t predict.

    I assume, yes, the totally-untested non-vaccine that failed 100% of all times tried before will again have an “unexpected” (i.e. totally expected) side-effect that will cause the body to over-react immunodisease to the next non-flu that barely touches them. Or some like.

    WHY IS THAT SO EASY TO PREDICT?

    Blink182

    #70948
    John Day
    Participant

    OK, I did not address the political battlefield of masking last night.
    It’s become a black vs white fight, when reality is shades of gray.
    Masks are better at catching globs leaving the nose and mouth with virus than they are at catching little, dry viral particles in the air, so they are better at reducing transmission if the person emitting virus wears them.
    Some masks, like tightly-fitted N95 can filter a moderate amount of the incoming little, dry viral particles.
    They are uncomfortable and may wear your skin raw if worn a lot.
    When looking at large populations and mask mandates, it’s not the mandate that does anything, and it’s not the people who wear their masks on their chins, so it is actually hard to judge effects.
    Western countries mask differently from Japan, which has masked since 1918. It is just wrong to pretend that a mask mandate in Japan is the same thing at street level as a mask mandate in a western country.
    Since people in the west did not grow up masking regularly, there will be differences in specific population groups. We saw a big spread of COVID last spring and summer in work crews who went from job to job in crowded truck cabs, closed, with AC on.
    I am appealing to reason here with narrative. I personally judge that masks will help reduce viral transmission if worn properly. More important is not being in crowded places with lots of people singing or speaking loudly (bars, megachurches, meat packing plants) where viral load in the air is maximized and breathing is vigorous, moving that air in and out a lot.
    Masks are like burqas to me. Not my battle.
    Comply in context like medical offices, stores and nursing homes (not parks) and avoid danger to self and to others as much as you can out of prudence and decency.
    Mainly support your immune system. Your primary defense is the innate immune system in the nose and throat area. Vitamin-D , and possibly vitamin K2 help that. Minimizing inhaled viral load is important, and zinc has modest efficacy against coronaviruses, but don’t take a lot daily, because it inhibits copper absorption.
    “Pandemic” is now “Endemic”.
    This novel coronavirus has permeated populations everywhere, and is going through mutations, and will not go away, and some of the mutations sidestep the targeted vaccines by just not presenting the target for the vaccine, changing the look of the target.
    Here is a link to excess death data by country for recent years. It’s not all the same.
    https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps#excess-mortality
    The countries that had light flu seasons for a couple of years before COVID had more excess deaths in the vulnerable populations of ill and elderly. The countries that had more flu season deaths for a couple of years had fewer excess COVID deaths.
    If COVID is the new Flu, then early outpatient testing and treatment is appropriate. Masking and quarantines cannot “contain” it, because it is everywhere, and people generally spread it the most in the first couple of days, when they have mild symptoms, and can’t take off work (Christmas retail workers).
    Natural immnity, or immunity to “killed virus” vaccines is more broad spectrum

    #70950
    John Day
    Participant

    Here is more food for thought about the vaccine cartel, immune from liability… “Licensed to kill”, if one would be so indelicate.

    Police Launch Investigation Into Death of Vaccine Safety Advocate Brandy Vaughn

    #70952
    madamski
    Participant

    Piet Mondriaan demonstrates why I feel that the likes of Jackson Pollock are more superfluous than not.

    #70954
    madamski
    Participant

    Summarizing money quote: “This is how we are currently turning vaccinees into asymptomatic carriers shedding infectious variants.”

    #70956
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    A summary of the problem, using quotes from above:
    We are currently turning vaccinees into asymptomatic carriers shedding infectious variants.
    “Basically, we’ll very soon be confronted with a super-infectious virus that completely resists our most precious defense mechanism: The human immune system.”

    A summary of the proposed solution, using quotes from above:
    “Natural Killer] NK cell-based vaccines will primarily enable our natural immunity to be better prepared (memory!) and to induce herd immunity (which is exactly the opposite of what current Covid-19 vaccines do as those increasingly turn vaccine recipients into asymptomatic carriers who are shedding virus).”

    Which vaccines result in more NK cells? The BCG vaccine sounds promising against Covid-19 (and it’s been safely used for more than a century.) The OPV and MMR vaccines may also be promising.

    From the Journal of Clinical Investigation:

    Through the epigenetic and metabolic reprograming of innate immune cells, particularly monocytes, macrophages, and NK cells, BCG vaccination induces a long-lasting memory and the capacity to respond more strongly upon restimulation (17). This nonspecific boosting of the innate immune response following BCG vaccination has also been reported for other live, attenuated vaccines, including the OPV (19) and MMR (20) vaccines. Indeed, studies have shown that both OPV and MMR vaccines are associated with a decreased number of hospital admissions for infections, including fewer respiratory tract infections (37–39). Therefore, in addition to BCG vaccination, OPV or MMR vaccination may also be considered to mitigate the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic until safe and effective COVID-19–specific vaccines become available.

    …Taken together, these results indicate that a history of BCG vaccination confers a nonspecific protective effect against SARS-CoV-2 infection and is associated with fewer self-reports of COVID-19 symptoms.

    https://www.jci.org/articles/view/145157

    #70957
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    A related article:


    Tuberculosis vaccine may help protect against COVID-19

    Scientists developed the BCG (bacillus Calmette-Guérin) vaccine more than 100 years ago to protect against the bacterial infection tuberculosis (TB). According to the World Health Organization (WHO), by 2004, around 100 million children a year were receiving the vaccine…

    Scientists believe the vaccine primes the “innate” immune system, the body’s first line of defense against viruses and other invading organisms. Unlike adaptive immunity, innate immunity rarely targets specific pathogens that the body has encountered in the past…

    In August 2020, Medical News Today reported another observational study, which suggested countries with mandatory BCG vaccination had a degree of “herd immunity” against the disease.

    There are 22 clinical trials currently investigating BCG’s potential to prevent or treat COVID-19, which should provide more definitive evidence.

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/tuberculosis-vaccine-may-help-protect-against-covid-19

    #70960
    generic
    Participant

    This is quite similar to what Judy Mikovits was saying nearly a year ago or more. She is a very well educated and experienced biochemist, but I’m at the point where I don’t trust much of anything from anyone. As a non-expert, I have to just take any new information with the proverbial grain of salt and wait and see.

    #70961
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    This article published in The Lancet similarly addresses the problem of “immune evasion.” It calls for an end to “fear-based approaches based on seemingly haphazard stop-start generalised confinement as the main response to the pandemic; approaches which expect citizens to wait patiently until intensive care units are re-enforced, full vaccination is achieved, and herd immunity is reached.”

    Dealing with immune evasion will require a re-evaluation of public health strategies…

    If substantial immune evasion occurs, current vaccines are likely to still offer some benefit to individuals. At the population level, however, they could induce viral selection and escape, making the prospect of achieving herd immunity increasingly remote.

    This virological game changer has numerous consequences, not only for vaccines and treatment, but also for prevention and control strategies. The fervently awaited end of this global health crisis might be continually postponed, as new variants emerge and immune evasion reduces vaccination effectiveness in the short and medium term.

    Hence, it is time to abandon fear-based approaches based on seemingly haphazard stop-start generalised confinement as the main response to the pandemic; approaches which expect citizens to wait patiently until intensive care units are re-enforced, full vaccination is achieved, and herd immunity is reached.

    Populations have so far been relatively complacent, but their doubts and distrust are visible in protest movements in several countries. The impact of general confinement on entire economies has been devastating, with worse still to come in levels of unemployment and national debt. Social and health (including mental health) consequences are also colossal, in particular for the younger generations, despite them being at low risk in terms of morbidity and mortality from SARS-CoV-2 infection.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpub/article/PIIS2468-2667(21)00036-0/fulltext

    #70964
    zerosum
    Participant

    Herd Immunity
    Survival of the fittest Immune system
    Training of the Immune System is achieved by regular exposure to a myriad of environmental agents, including pathogens.
    How:
    breast feeding,
    a pet, (a dog, a cat, a cow, a horse, a chicken),
    Gardening
    Corona viruses can cross species barriers.

    #70965
    Noirette
    Participant

    Dr D. : Geert Vanden Bossche is Belgian, Flemish (Dutch dialect vs. French-speaking.) His written English is very typical “Dutch”, so we know he wrote it himself. No editor or even vague advisor passed by there.

    https://be.linkedin.com/in/geertvandenbossche (was posted in top link)

    #70966
    Noirette
    Participant

    About the article Scientists Accuse CDC Of Misinterpreting Their Research For ‘Harmful’ School Reopening Guidelines posted in previous thread.

    Forbes https://bit.ly/3l4nuTU

    …States that K-12 education is open in Switz. since the UK variant. Yes, but not the whole story.

    After the summer (say, as UK variant is mentioned), all outside-home venues for children, young ppl, were kept open.

    Including “crèche” (day-care age 0 – 4/5 years, including private care, like a group of moms sharing), para-school (day-care for lunch, activites, outside of school hours, i.e. canteens, play and sports venues, and the like), primary school to age 12, lower secondary school to age say 14-16, special Ed. (all ages, incl. adults), upper secondary or high school to age 18-19.

    Vocational training has taken a hit (one can’t be an apprentice in a closed facility) but class time is maintained, and the ‘practical side’ is, it is claimed “compensated for.”

    Number of ppl allowed in a group is suspended, annuled, for approx. ages 0-18 (it is not the age that counts but the activity) for sports, group outings, and the like, provided it takes place in a state, para-state, or accredited private setting, and is supervised by adult(s), and proper measures are adopted (masks for ex.) Sports training of under-18 continues as usual (v. important in Switz, ski, ice-skate, tennis, marathon, etc.)

    The Universities (age 18, 19 plus) are closed. U Students are in a bad way. Another story.

    Here, everyone, afaik, approves of these measures. No way young ppl will bear the sacrifice. No way. They are life, they are the future, and deserve the best.

    The covid stats (imho) don’t show negative results, outcomes, of such policies, as compared to other countries, => a very complicated topic.

    #70967
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Can’t stop / won’t stop:

    “In a rare moment of truth of CNN Wednesday, Anthony Fauci admitted that there is no scientific reason why people who have had the COVID vaccine are still having their freedoms restricted.

    CNN host John Berman asked Fauci “What’s the science behind not saying it’s safe for people who have been vaccinated – received two doses, to travel?”

    “When you don’t have the data and you don’t have the actual evidence, you’ve got to make a judgment call,” Fauci replied, declaring that Americans will just have to trust the CDC.

    SHUT UP AND DO AS YOU’RE TOLD!!!

    So we should trust them because they are certain they have no idea at all. They literally just said that.

    So it’s been a year. Same illogical, anti-science trash like this Every. Single. Day. Killed a couple ten thousands or more with lockdowns while selling their teeth for profit. Is there some day people wake up out of this haze? It was just this obvious from the first hour. When does it end? Is there ANY level of lies, ANY level of intentional mass-murder that can have an effect?

    15,000 people say Andrew Cuomo says no. But SIX whole women, by God and humdingit!

    Please, it’s YOUR lack of telling the truth, and acting from it, that makes me despair of life.

    #70976
    a kullervo
    Participant

    Human evolution: from simple clumsiness to clumsy complexity.

    We are better than our ancestors because, instead of grunting while using rocks and body strength, we now also use plastics, electricity and words to make mistakes and commit crimes.

    After all, there’s nothing like feeling effortlessly cool and restrained while doing things – even of the despicable kind – to make everything look definitely better.

    (What is the goal of the portraitist? To depict things; simple as that.)

    #70977
    Dave Note
    Participant

    At this point, the ‘authorities’ have lied and flip flopped so many times on so many critical aspect of Covid, it’s hard to believe even a legitimate reasonable sounding case such as Geert Vanden Bossche.

    Yea, sounds scary.

    So did rigging all the election machine in 2020 for undermining democracy.

    Ivermectin and HCQ have great benefit but were demonized by the ‘authorities’.

    They’re flat out wrong and are pimping effectively untested mRNA cancer therapy knockoffs and PCR tests with cycles set ridiculously inaccurate, which were NEVER even design to be used as diagnostic tests.

    The legal grounds for ‘emergency powers’ like lockdowns and masks and especially ‘vaccines’ are predicated, in the ‘emergency powers’ law, as only being legal if there are no effective alternatives, like Ivermectin and HCQ.

    If Ivermectin and HCQ had been honestly studied, they have probably saved more people globally by a large percentage than masks and lockdowns and without the economic Holocaust that lockdowns has produced.

    Just look at Asia compared to the US for economic activity in the Age of Covid

    China, in February, had the biggest movie theatre box office total in history, 2 Billion Dollars from people going to the movie houses.
    The US in February had 14 million in box office from theater goers.

    2,000 million vs 14 million

    That says it all as to Covid approach and economic outcome

    That about 143 times bigger than the US movie going public.

    So who is closer to “Normal” The US or China?

    Even accounting for China being 5 times as large, that’s still 28 times the kind of normal economic activity for something as mundane as going to the movie with friends.

    #70978
    zerosum
    Participant

    Humans are the best life form that has evolved and acquire the ability to find, to dig, to extract, and recycle the buried nutrients, by plate movements, volcanoes, and weathering, which all life forms require to survive.

    #70983
    zerosum
    Participant

    https://www.oddee.com/item_99906.aspx
    7 Unbelievable Real Life Bubble Kids
    POSTED ON DECEMBER 9, 2016 BY GRACE MURANO

    #70984
    danbashaw
    Participant

    When I ran into the Geert Vanden Bossche post yesterday, the first thing that popped to mind was ‘this is a psy-ops set-up’. The intro paragraphs seem intentionally spammy, the narrative escalatory, the science vague, with no references. Too many flags. It felt to me like it was designed to be widely circulated and then discredited.

    Of course that may not be the case, as the author apparently has a long online history, and working in second language no doubt presents challenges. Still it focused my mind on the fact that there currently are some serious dirty tricks campaigns underway to flush out, discredit and de-platform dissenting voices online, and that sources that feel ‘off’ – as this one did to me – need to be approached carefully.

    #70986
    Glennda
    Participant

    @ danbashaw
    That was my impression too. Seems like time to just wait and see.

    “The intro paragraphs seem intentionally spammy, the narrative escalatory, the science vague, with no references. Too many flags. It felt to me like it was designed to be widely circulated and then discredited.”

    And just to be the odd-one-out here — I got both doses of the Pfizer vaccine. Not much post vac reaction, but my 50 yr old daughter had teeth chattering fever from her second dose. I let myself be pressured to get the vaccine to give my daughter peace-of-mind, since she works with a lab doing covid research.

    #70987
    dermotmoconnor
    Participant

    Ugh, more on the ‘irrepressible monster’:

    Dire Coronavirus Prediction: Virus Evolving to Escape Current Vaccines, Treatments – “May Be Condemned to Chasing After the Evolving SARS-CoV-2 Continually”

    “Our study and the new clinical trial data show that the virus is traveling in a direction that is causing it to escape from our current vaccines and therapies that are directed against the viral spike,” says Ho, the director of the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center and the Clyde’56 and Helen Wu Professor of Medicine at Columbia University Vagelos College of Physicians and Surgeons.

    “If the rampant spread of the virus continues and more critical mutations accumulate, then we may be condemned to chasing after the evolving SARS-CoV-2 continually, as we have long done for influenza virus,” Ho says. “Such considerations require that we stop virus transmission as quickly as is feasible, by redoubling our mitigation measures and by expediting vaccine rollout.”

    #70988
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    “Our study and the new clinical trial data show that the virus is traveling in a direction that is causing it to escape from our current vaccines and therapies that are directed against the viral spike… Such considerations require that we stop virus transmission as quickly as is feasible, by redoubling our mitigation measures and by expediting vaccine rollout.”

    In that article, the lead author of the study (published in Nature) confirms that “immune escape” is a problem, but his proposed “required” solution is to fully commit to these vaccines, and redouble (not relax) masking and physical distancing (and lockdowns?)

    “We have to stop the virus from replicating and that means rolling out vaccine faster and sticking to our mitigation measures like masking and physical distancing. Stopping the spread of the virus will stop the development of further mutations.”

    The authors of the Lancet article (linked earlier) propose a different solution which essentially rules out continued general lockdowns and calls for governments to “apply available measures in a way that is much more targeted to different generational groups,” such as self-isolation of “the older and more vulnerable groups” to reduce their risk of infection.

    #70989
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    In other words, “the science” says that the immune escape/evasion problem with current Covid vaccines means that masking and physical distancing will have to continue, and even redoubled, not relaxed. This is the opposite of what Dr Fauci and the CDC are now recommending.

    Geert Vanden Bossche, on the other hand, proposes a different kind of vaccine rollout, which will strengthen the body’s Natural Killer cell response to all Covid variants, while reducing the propensity for the Covid virus to mutate to these more dangerous variants.

    #70990
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Thanks once again Ilargi; keeping the realities of our present, present.
    We’re (my wife and I) not getting vaccinated at this time (if ever).
    The clusterfuck that is the west (the NATO block) is, in simple terms, insane with fear and can no longer be trusted with anything concerning humans’ health and well being…
    We will continue with V-D3 & V-C and maintaine our normal diet of minimal meat and maximum grains, fruits, vegetables, seeds, and nuts…

    #70992
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    I tried to find a comment I posted last night at MoA on this topic, that we need continuous low-level exposure to everything. Seems to have been deleted. I’ve never had b delete any of my posts.

    Anyway, yeah, I logic’d this one out last year, too.

    I don’t know if this has been posted here yet: The Manifesto of Great Awakening. Against Great Reset. This article speaks to the other thing I logic’d out last year…atomization of the populace.

    #70994
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    Links to this thread are being ‘disappeared’ when I try to post them at MoA.

    #70995
    Susmarie108
    Participant

    @madamski

    RE: “Piet Mondriaan demonstrates why I feel that the likes of Jackson Pollock are more superfluous than not.”

    Ya still can’t get over that series of Pollack pics, right? Here’s one to help you along…Freefall by Anne Leveque. We just hung this piece in our Abstract Expression show.

    #71002
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    The gene therapy of lipid encased mRNA taking over the cell’s protein assembly process to make coronavirus spike protein to flood the body to induce an immune response does appear to be a sledge hammer approach. My gut feeling is that without animal safety data this is taking a real unknown risk. Hundreds of millions of humans are Guinea Pigs. Adding to the unease is the lack of trust that corporate media would honestly report any adverse events.

    There was a conscious high level Western Establishment decision to accelerate at warp speed the development and marketing of profit-making gene therapy and call it a vaccine. The governmental public health responsibility to eliminate the transmission of the virus by closing of the borders, universal testing, contact tracing, structuring work and school bubbles, and safe quarantines is ignored.

    There wasn’t a second thought. Profits are more important. In fact, only functional governments protect their people from war, famine, and the plague. The loss is self-evident now in the Americas and Europe.

    #71003
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    V V
    There wasn’t a second thought. Profits are more important. In fact, only functional governments protect their people from war, famine, and the plague. The loss is self-evident now in the Americas and Europe.

    Indeed, and few enough of them even exist (functional governments).
    By sheer flip of the coin I ended up living in one…fortunate me…
    The thing that gets stuck in my craw? How compliant the majority are; allowing injustice after injustice to be piled upon them with barely a whimper, or so it seems from here…

    #71004
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    …well, another goddamned edit gone into the ether…

    #71021
    madamski
    Participant

    The logic of the Dutch paper transcends any other aspects. UNless someone can knowledgably explain why the logic is false, I think the paper by Geert Vanden Bossche is spot-on scientifically accurate.

    ^&*

    @Susmarie108

    I enjoy abstract art, just prefer it not be pretentiously so. Same rules apply to representative art.

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