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Fauci: ‘Flood’ Of Covid-19 Vaccine Mandates After Full FDA Approval (USAT)
Covid19 Vaccine Efficacy & Effectiveness – The Elephant (Not) In The Room (L.)
Leaky Blood Vessels: An Unknown Danger of COVID-19 Vaccination (D4CE)
Early Signs Covid-19 Vaccines May Not Stop Delta Transmission (R.)
In England, Hundreds Of Vaccinated People Hospitalised With Delta (AlJ)
Greater Antibody Response In Recovered COVID Patients Than Vaccinated (Fed.)
Swedish Professor Says 5 Shots of COVID Vaccine May be Necessary (SN)
CDC Director Makes Case Vaccination Passports are Futile (CTH)
White House: No More Lockdowns Of Schools Or Economy Despite Covid Rise (JTN)
UK Draws Up Contingency Plans For ‘Firebreak’ Covid Lockdowns (iN)
Australia’s ‘Covid Zero’ Days May Be Numbered (ST)
Indiana University Students Appeal Vaccine Mandate To US Supreme Court (JTN)
US Last In Health Care Among Richest Countries Despite Spending Most (Hill)
Dems’ Crusade Against Trump Does Real Harm To Presidency, Constitution (Fox)

 

 

 

 

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They’re planning the approval in early September. That will be the last of the FDA’s credibility.

“This is a dystopian world we’re living in,” he said. The public is awash in lies and misinformation about COVID-19 and the vaccines, “they are being misled.”

“Americans, he hopes, will say, “I’m not going to take any of this. I’m seeing everybody around me get sick and dying. Let me just go ahead and get vaccinated.'”

Fauci: ‘Flood’ Of Covid-19 Vaccine Mandates After Full FDA Approval (USAT)

As soon as the Food and Drug Administration issues a full approval for a COVID-19 vaccine, there will be “a flood” of vaccine mandates at businesses and schools across the nation, Dr. Anthony Fauci told USA TODAY’s editorial board on Friday. Mandates aren’t going to happen at the federal level, but vaccine approval will embolden many groups, he predicted. “Organizations, enterprises, universities, colleges that have been reluctant to mandate at the local level will feel much more confident,” he said. “They can say, ‘If you want to come to this college or this university, you’ve got to get vaccinated. If you want to work in this plant, you have to get vaccinated. If you want to work in this enterprise, you’ve got to get vaccinated. If you want to work in this hospital, you’ve got to get vaccinated.'”

Fauci doesn’t see more lockdowns in the nation’s future. They were issued early in the pandemic to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed, known as “flattening the curve.” “The rationale for shutting down was that the hospital system would not be able to handle the surge of cases because everybody was getting sick,” he said. With upwards of 70% of adults having had at least one dose of vaccine, the epidemic has shifted to one of the unvaccinated, he said. “When you walk into a hospital, what you’re going to see is a lot of young people, some of whom are seriously ill, but you’re not seeing an overwhelming outstripping of the capability of the hospitals throughout the country,” he said. While he’s attacked online and in conservative media every day, Fauci said he worries less about himself than for the nation as a whole.

“This is a dystopian world we’re living in,” he said. The public is awash in lies and misinformation about COVID-19 and the vaccines, “they are being misled.” With COVID-19 cases rising among the unvaccinated as the highly contagious delta variant spreads, Fauci hopes people’s “better angels” will prevail over the sea of lies on social media. Americans, he hopes, will say, “I’m not going to take any of this. I’m seeing everybody around me get sick and dying. Let me just go ahead and get vaccinated.'”

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Absolute Risk Reduction = 1·3% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford, 1·2% for the Moderna–NIH, 1·2% for the J&J, 0·93% for the Gamaleya, and 0·84% for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccines.

Covid19 Vaccine Efficacy & Effectiveness – The Elephant (Not) In The Room (L.)

Vaccine efficacy is generally reported as a relative risk reduction (RRR). It uses the relative risk (RR)—ie, the ratio of attack rates with and without a vaccine—which is expressed as 1–RR. Ranking by reported efficacy gives relative risk reductions of 95% for the Pfizer–BioNTech, 94% for the Moderna–NIH, 91% for the Gamaleya, 67% for the J&J, and 67% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford vaccines. However, RRR should be seen against the background risk of being infected and becoming ill with COVID-19, which varies between populations and over time. Although the RRR considers only participants who could benefit from the vaccine, the absolute risk reduction (ARR), which is the difference between attack rates with and without a vaccine, considers the whole population. ARRs tend to be ignored because they give a much less impressive effect size than RRRs: 1·3% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford, 1·2% for the Moderna–NIH, 1·2% for the J&J, 0·93% for the Gamaleya, and 0·84% for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccines.

ARR is also used to derive an estimate of vaccine effectiveness, which is the number needed to vaccinate (NNV) to prevent one more case of COVID-19 as 1/ARR. NNVs bring a different perspective: 81 for the Moderna–NIH, 78 for the AstraZeneca–Oxford, 108 for the Gamaleya, 84 for the J&J, and 119 for the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccines. The explanation lies in the combination of vaccine efficacy and different background risks of COVID-19 across studies: 0·9% for the Pfizer–BioNTech, 1% for the Gamaleya, 1·4% for the Moderna–NIH, 1·8% for the J&J, and 1·9% for the AstraZeneca–Oxford vaccines. ARR (and NNV) are sensitive to background risk—the higher the risk, the higher the effectiveness—as exemplified by the analyses of the J&J’s vaccine on centrally confirmed cases compared with all cases:8 both the numerator and denominator change, RRR does not change (66–67%), but the one-third increase in attack rates in the unvaccinated group (from 1·8% to 2·4%) translates in a one-fourth decrease in NNV (from 84 to 64).

There are many lessons to learn from the way studies are conducted and results are presented. With the use of only RRRs, and omitting ARRs, reporting bias is introduced, which affects the interpretation of vaccine efficacy.10 When communicating about vaccine efficacy, especially for public health decisions such as choosing the type of vaccines to purchase and deploy, having a full picture of what the data actually show is important, and ensuring comparisons are based on the combined evidence that puts vaccine trial results in context and not just looking at one summary measure, is also important. Such decisions should be properly informed by detailed understanding of study results, requiring access to full datasets and independent scrutiny and analyses.

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Doctors 4 Covid Ethics: “Are we about to witness the birth of an entirely new world of autoimmune disease?”

Leaky Blood Vessels: An Unknown Danger of COVID-19 Vaccination (D4CE)

Dear colleague: Six months ago, we laid out the reasons for our fears that gene-based vaccines were potentially dangerous [1]. These concerns were based primarily on the expectation that the vaccine would through lymphatic transport soon enter the circulation, where it would be taken up by the endothelial cells. These cells would then start producing the spike protein, which would cause them to be attacked and destroyed by cytotoxic Tlymphocytes. The resulting lesions would give rise to platelet activation and blood clot formation. Since then, clotting abnormalities have indeed taken center stage as propagators of adverse events following vaccinations.

Rapid entry of the vaccine into the bloodstream has been confirmed, as has rapid appearance of expressed spike protein in the bloodstream. Activation of clotting is very common even in those without characteristic or lasting symptoms, but the number of grave adverse events caused by this mechanism—heart attack, stroke, cerebral sinus venous thrombosis, and others—is very high. With this letter, your attention is directed to a second autoimmune pathway that will be triggered simultaneously with the activation of cytotoxic T-lymphocytes. We predict that this pathway will cause damage to and leakiness of blood vessels, with consequences that are far-reaching and profound, particularly upon repeated vaccination. This second autoimmune pathway will render booster shots uniquely dangerous.

1. The proposed mechanism
The first injection will induce the expression of spike protein, and the formation of specific antibodies to it. Re-vaccination will lead to a second round of spike protein production, including in endothelial cells. The antibodies, now already present, will bind to these spikes and will direct attack of the complement system to these cells. Neutrophil granulocytes, too, will be activated by antibodies bound to the endothelial cells. Vascular damage and leakage will ensue.

1.1. Evidence that SARS-CoV-2 spikes provoke complement attack on vessels
Investigations published last year by Jeffrey Laurence and colleagues [2] have establishedthat spike proteins direct complement attack to the inner vessel lining. The authors showed that spike proteins released from the lungs of COVID-19 patients travelled via the circulation to attach at distant sites to the inner vessel lining, i.e. the endothelial cells. Leukocytes and the complement system became activated precisely at those sites, which resulted in damage and leakiness of the vessels. Why this occurred became evident only recently, through several discoveries that we have discussed in a previous letter to physicians [3]. Specifically, the immune system of all individuals is already primed to respond to coronaviruses including SARS-CoV-2, most likely through cross-immunity with widespread respiratory human coronavirus strains. This immunological memory causes antibody production to commence early on during SARS-CoV-2 infection [4–7]. Thus, antibodies will already be there to bind the spike proteins when these become stranded in the vessel linings. This inevitably triggers activation of the complement cascade.

1.2. The effect of booster shots
Repeat injections of gene-based “vaccines” are bound to intensify and reproduce this basic event wherever the newly expressed spike protein appears on the vessel lining. Spike protein-induced complement attack on vessels has been shown to evoke a plethora of skin lesions in COVID-19 patients [8]. These show a striking resemblance to some of those which are now being reported in vaccinated individuals [9]. Complementmediated vascular injury occurring at multiple sites throughout the body will have potentially devastating effects not only on the health of the vaccinated individual, but also on pregnancy and fertility. Complement will also likely potentiate coagulation abnormalities via yet another pathway. Spike protein molecules, known to be released into the bloodstream shortly after vaccination [5] will bind to platelets, marking them as targets for antibody binding. Subsequent attack by complement must be expected to cause platelet destruction, possibly culminating in immune thrombocytopenic purpura. This, too, has been clinically observed after vaccination [10–13]. With regard to long term effects of re-vaccination, what will happen when the “vaccines” seep out of damaged blood vessels and reach the organs of the body? Will gene uptake and spike production then mark each and every cell type for destruction by killer lymphocytes? Are we about to witness the birth of an entirely new world of autoimmune disease?

1.3. Conclusion
It is beyond question that repeated vaccinations carry serious and unprecedented risks as outlined above. While government officials, authorities and vaccine manufacturers may remain ignorant of the medical implications of such findings, any physician in possession of this knowledge cannot administer repeated COVID-19 vaccination in good conscience, nor in good faith. Under no circumstances is it acceptable for a doctor to knowingly inflict harm on a patient. ALL PHYSICIANS ARE HEREWITH CALLED ON TO RECONSIDER THE ETHICAL ISSUES SURROUNDING COVID-19 VACCINATION.

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Not THAT early…

Early Signs Covid-19 Vaccines May Not Stop Delta Transmission (R.)

There are early signs that people who have been vaccinated against COVID-19 may be able to transmit the Delta variant of the virus as easily as those who have not, scientists at Public Health England (PHE) said on Friday. The findings chime with those from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which last week raised concerns that vaccinated people infected with Delta could, unlike with other variants, readily transmit it. read more The highly infectious Delta variant has become the dominant coronavirus type globally, sustaining a pandemic that has already killed more than 4.4 million people, including over 130,000 in Britain. Vaccines have been shown to provide good protection against severe disease and death from Delta, especially with two doses, but there is less data on whether vaccinated people can still transmit it to others.

“Some initial findings … indicate that levels of virus in those who become infected with Delta having already been vaccinated may be similar to levels found in unvaccinated people,” PHE said in a statement. “This may have implications for people’s infectiousness, whether they have been vaccinated or not. However, this is early exploratory analysis and further targeted studies are needed to confirm whether this is the case.” PHE said that of confirmed Delta cases that had ended up hospitalised since July 19, 55.1% were unvaccinated, while 34.9% had received two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine. Nearly 75% of the British population has had two vaccine doses, and PHE said that “as more of the population gets vaccinated, we will see a higher relative percentage of vaccinated people in hospital”.

Separately, PHE said another variant, known as B.1.621, first detected in Colombia, had shown signs of evading the immune response triggered by either COVID-19 vaccines or previous infection. PHE has labelled the variant “under investigation” but has not declared it a “variant of concern” – a designation that can trigger strong policy responses. “There is preliminary laboratory evidence to suggest that vaccination and previous infection may be less effective at preventing infection with (B.1.621),” it said, adding there had been 37 confirmed cases of the variant in England.

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How to redefine “rare”: “..34.9 percent had received two doses..”

In England, Hundreds Of Vaccinated People Hospitalised With Delta (AlJ)

Hundreds of fully vaccinated people in England have been hospitalised with the highly contagious Delta coronavirus variant, scientists said on Friday. In its latest COVID-19 update, Public Health England (PHE) also warned there were early signs that people who have been inoculated may be able to transmit the Delta strain as easily as those who have not received any jabs. From July 19 to August 2, 55.1 percent of the 1,467 people hospitalised with the Delta variant were unvaccinated, PHE said, while 34.9 percent – or 512 people – had received two doses. Dubbed “freedom day”, July 19 was the date England significantly eased lockdown restrictions. All vaccines in use in the United Kingdom – those produced by AstraZeneca, Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech – require recipients to receive two doses to be fully inoculated.


About 75 percent of the UK’s adult population has received two shots to date. “As more of the population gets vaccinated, we will see a higher relative percentage of vaccinated people in hospital,” PHE said. Jenny Harries, chief executive of the UK Health Security Agency, said the hospitalisation figures showed “once again how important it is that we all come forward to receive both doses of the vaccine as soon as we are able to do so”. “Vaccination is the best tool we have in keeping ourselves and our loved ones safe from the serious disease risk COVID-19 can pose,” Harries said in a statement. “However, we must also remember that the vaccines do not eliminate all risk: it is still possible to become unwell with COVID-19 and infect others.”

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“..such infection simultaneously assists in offering protection against developing variants.”

Greater Antibody Response In Recovered COVID Patients Than Vaccinated (Fed.)

A new study has found that individuals that have previously contracted COVID-19 show a more potent antibody response than those who were solely vaccinated for the respiratory virus. Conducted by a research team at Rockefeller University in New York, the analysis found “that between a first (prime) and second (booster) shot of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine, the memory B cells of infection-naïve individuals produced antibodies that evolved increased neutralizing activity against SARS-CoV-2,” but also that “no additional increase in the potency or breadth of this activity was observed thereafter.” Meanwhile, researchers determined that not only do recovered COVID-19 patients possess neutralizing antibodies up to a year after infection, but that such infection simultaneously assists in offering protection against developing variants.

“Severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection produces B-cell responses that continue to evolve for at least one year,” the study read. “During that time, memory B cells express increasingly broad and potent antibodies that are resistant to mutations found in variants of concern.” The analysis later goes on to conclude, “Memory antibodies selected over time by natural infection have greater potency and breadth than antibodies elicited by vaccination.” Moreover, the results suggest that “boosting vaccinated individuals with currently available mRNA vaccines would produce a quantitative increase in plasma neutralizing activity but not the qualitative advantage against variants obtained by vaccinating convalescent individuals.”

The study’s findings add to further mounting evidence detailing the level of protection natural immunity offers previously infected COVID-19 patients. Last month, Emory University published an extensive investigation describing the efficiency of long-term immunity against the respiratory virus. Similar discoveries have also been identified in research released by the Cleveland Clinic and the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, respectively.

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Every next shot is more dangerous.

Swedish Professor Says 5 Shots of COVID Vaccine May be Necessary (SN)

While many people have bragged about being “fully vaccinated” after taking two COVID-19 jabs, a Swedish professor says that as many as five shots may be needed to combat falling immunity. “We don’t know how long the vaccine protects against serious illness and death,” said Karolinska Institute Professor Matti Sällberg. “This means that you pick the safe before the unsafe.” Numerous European countries are planning a 3rd round of COVID “booster shots” in September, and the FDA also indicated that vaccinated individuals will be given another shot in the fall. However, Sällberg suggests this probably won’t be enough and that “recurring shots” will be necessary. “After receiving the second dose, the immune response slowly subsides. Within a year, many may have lost their protection. We do not know yet, but if you get a third dose, it will be activated again,” he said. “Biology says that a fading immune response is not unlikely. Then it’s time for a third, fourth, maybe fifth dose”.


One wonders whether Sällberg holds a conflict of interest given that he is also chairman of the board at vaccine company SVF. Meanwhile, in Israel, a doctor warned that “the effectiveness of the vaccine is waning/fading out” and that “85-90% of the hospitalizations are in fully vaccinated people.” Dr. Kobi Haviv also chillingly pointed out that 95% of the patients in hospital with the most severe symptoms are vaccinated. The meme below is already coming true, and with vaccine passports seemingly on the way, people will have to keep taking recurring vaccinations simply to maintain access to basic lifestyle activities. Whether vaccine side-effects or the hassle of continually having to return for more jabs will put some people off remains to be seen.

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“..both the vaxxed and non-vaxxed person walking into a restaurant, store, group, venue or workplace present the exact same risk to other people there, so how does the presentation of proof of vaccine make any difference?”

CDC Director Makes Case Vaccination Passports are Futile (CTH)

They are just making up narratives now, and the media are not calling them out on it…. The Director of the CDC made an important admission during an interview today on CNN. CDC Director Rochelle Walensky stated the vaccine does not prevent COVID-19 infection, nor does it stop the vaccinated person from transmitting the infection or the delta variant. According to Director Walensky, the only benefit from the vaccine now is presumably that it reduces the severity of symptoms. If a vaccinated and non-vaccinated person have the same capacity to carry, shed and transmit the virus – with or without symptoms – then what difference does a vaccination passport or vaccination ID make? According to the CDC TODAY, both the vaxxed and non-vaxxed person walking into a restaurant, store, group, venue or workplace present the exact same risk to other people there, so how does the presentation of proof of vaccine make any difference?

Additionally, her entire statement makes no sense. There is no evidence that vaccinated asymptomatic carriers are asymptomatic because of the vaccine. There are likely just as many asymptomatic non-vaccinated carriers. The data shows an equally distributed infection rate regardless of vaccination rate, which is simultaneously admitted by Direcor Walensky, which, as an outcome, is an admission that undercuts the entire argument for compulsory vaccines. The reverse is also evident in the data. There are just as many vaxxed carriers who are symptomatic (ie. sick), as there are un-vaxxed carriers who are symptomatic (ie. sick). The percentage of vaxxed and non-vaxxed people hospitalized it identical to the vaxxed/non-vaxxed population around the hospital.

In regional populations with extremely high vaccination rates, the COVID infection rate continues unabated. The percentage of vaccinated people hospitalized is identical to the percentage of people vaccinated in the community. In Gibraltar, 99% of the population vaccinated; COVID infection rate climbs. In Iceland over 75% of population vaccinated; infection rate climbs. Singapore and Israel show the same thing [Data Sets Here]. So what value is the vaccination passport?

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Does Fauci agree?

White House: No More Lockdowns Of Schools Or Economy Despite Covid Rise (JTN)

The Biden White House insisted Friday that American schools and the economy will not shut down again even as COVID-19 infections rise with the new Delta variant. “We are not going back. We are not turning back the clock,” Press Secretary Jen Psaki told reporters. “This is not March 2020 or even January 2021,” she added. “We’re not going to lock down our economy or our schools because our country’s in a much stronger place than when we took office.” The promise came as some teachers unions aligned with the Democratic Party call for the school year to begin with virtual classes, not in-classroom learning.

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No lockdowns in US, but the UK knows better.

UK Draws Up Contingency Plans For ‘Firebreak’ Covid Lockdowns (iN)

The government has put contingency plans in place for further Covid-19 lockdowns should the NHS be forced back to the brink over winter, i can reveal. While No10 is confident that the vaccine rollout will prevent Covid hospitalisations rising to the levels that led to previous lockdowns, there remains concern that the NHS could be put under intense pressure from issues such as a large resurgence in patients suffering serious flu symptoms. A senior government source has told i that the Prime Minister authorised planning for “firebreak” lockdowns if a number of factors combine to push the NHS to breaking point in the autumn and winter months. There are also said to be concerns at a sharp increase in the number of NHS staff taking sick leave following 18 months fighting on the front line of the pandemic.


“The Government believes it has got to grips with the pandemic following the vaccine rollout,” said the Government advisor. “Barring a new vaccine-beating strain, fears over a rise in infections similar to that seen last autumn are actually outweighed by other issues like an NHS staffing crisis and the likely resurgence in flu infections, and other respiratory diseases. On top of Covid infections these factors could tip the NHS back to the brink and force more lockdowns.” However, the source added the Government is determined to avoid the long lockdowns the UK has endured since the pandemic struck in March 2020. = “Should more lockdowns be necessary, the plan is for them to be short, and preferably during the school holidays in late October and over Christmas. Firebreaks rather than lasting for months at a time.”

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Zero covid is a really stupid idea. So, ideal for Australia.

Australia’s ‘Covid Zero’ Days May Be Numbered (ST)

Australia’s coveted status as a haven from the pandemic could be at an end, with experts warning that a sustained Delta outbreak makes a return to “Covid zero” unlikely. After long stretches with zero local cases – what Australians once jokingly referred to as “doughnut days” – a Sydney outbreak has now grown to 4,610. Record numbers of new cases are being reported each day despite widespread lockdowns. Slowly but surely, some local authorities have shifted to talking about containing the virus rather than beating it. “Given where numbers are, given the experience of Delta overseas, we now have to live with Delta one way or another, and that is pretty obvious,” said New South Wales Premier Gladys Berejiklian. After 18 months of advocating “Covid zero”, that represents a step-change in the country’s approach.

For experts like Emma McBryde, an infectious diseases and statistical modelling expert at James Cook University, the shift in tone is a reflection of the new reality that Delta has brought. “We’re buying time, not getting back to Covid zero,” she told AFP. Like most experts she agrees that Australia’s old virus toolbox – aggressive tracing and testing, snap lockdowns and extensive travel restrictions – while less effective, is still essential to stop exponential virus spread. But, she said: “The goal now should be keeping Covid in check for long enough to get vaccinated.” Dr Tony Blakely, an epidemiologist at the University of Melbourne, echoed those comments, telling public broadcaster ABC that Australia will “probably never” get back to zero transmission.

Barring a few isolated Pacific islands and neighbouring New Zealand, few countries weathered the first 18 months of the coronavirus quite as well as Australia. As the rest of the world hunkered down, got sick and lost loved ones, Australians flocked to bars, restaurants and the beach. Occasionally, the virus jumped from hotel quarantine facilities into the community but aggressive tracing and testing, snap local lockdowns and domestic travel restrictions kept it in check. Then came Delta.

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“An admitted IU student’s right to attend IU cannot be conditioned on the student waiving their rights to bodily integrity and autonomy..”

Indiana University Students Appeal Vaccine Mandate To US Supreme Court (JTN)

First Amendment attorney Jim Bopp filed an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court on Friday on behalf of eight Indiana University students, asking the nation’s top court to stop the university from enforcing its COVID-19 vaccine mandate. “Continuing our fight against this unconstitutional mandate is necessary to guarantee that IU students receive the fair due process they’re owed by a public university,” Bopp said in a statement sent to the media. “An admitted IU student’s right to attend IU cannot be conditioned on the student waiving their rights to bodily integrity and autonomy and to consent to medical treatment like IU has done here. The emergency application for writ of injunction was sent to Associate Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett, who is assigned to review cases coming out of the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals.

Bopp is requesting she issue a decision by Aug. 13, 10 days before the start of IU’s fall semester Aug. 23. Indiana University announced its COVID-19 vaccine mandate May 21, outlining what it called “strong consequences” for all those who did not comply – students would have their classes canceled and email accounts cut off, the university said, and employees would be fired if they hadn’t gotten the vaccine by the start of the fall semester. The university said exemptions would be “strictly limited to a very narrow set of criteria, including medical exemptions, and documented and significant religious exemptions.” Students were told they needed to get their first dose of the vaccine by July 1 in order to be fully vaccinated by the start of school.

In response to angry calls from parents and a letter signed by the majority of Indiana’s state senators (all Republicans) expressing concerns with the mandate, IU softened its position, and began to grant all religious exemptions. But those students were told they would need to continue to wear masks, would likely be prohibited from attending certain events on campus and would be subjected to frequent testing. Then in mid-July, the university introduced an ethical exemption, allowing students and employees who don’t qualify for a medical exemption and do not want to object on religious grounds to cite personal ethics as a reason for not choosing to get the vaccine. The U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Indiana upheld the mandate in July, and a three-judge panel with the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals also sided with IU, saying if IU students didn’t want to get the vaccine, they could go elsewhere. Bopp said his firm filed suit “to preserve students’ rights to bodily integrity and autonomy and the right to consent to medical treatment.”

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The Hill labels it a “Stunning new report”. They must be the only ones who didn’t know yet.

US Last In Health Care Among Richest Countries Despite Spending Most (Hill)

The U.S. health care system ranked last among 11 wealthy countries despite spending the highest percentage of its gross domestic product on health care, according to an analysis by the Commonwealth Fund. Researchers behind the report surveyed tens of thousands of patients and doctors in each country and used data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development and the World Health Organization (WHO). The report considered 71 performance measures that fell under five categories: access to care, the care process, administrative efficiency, equity and health care outcomes. Countries analyzed in the report include Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the United Kingdom and the U.S. Norway, the Netherlands and Australia were the top-performing countries overall, with the U.S. coming in dead last.


The U.S. ranked last on access to care, administrative efficiency, equity and health care outcomes despite spending 17 percent of GDP on health care, but came in second on the measures of care process metric. The nation performed well in rates of mammography screening and influenza vaccination for older Americans, as well as the percentage of adults who talked with their physician about nutrition, smoking and alcohol use. Half of lower-income U.S. adults in the report said costs prevented them from receiving care while just more than a quarter of high-income Americans said the same. In comparison, just 12 percent of lower-income residents in the U.K. and 7 percent with higher incomes said costs stopped them from getting care. The U.S. also had the highest infant mortality rate and lowest life expectancy at age 60 compared with other countries.

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Obsessed with power.

Dems’ Crusade Against Trump Does Real Harm To Presidency, Constitution (Fox)

The progressive crusade to bring down Donald Trump by any means necessary continues to damage the Office of the President and the Constitution’s separation of powers. New York prosecutors succeeded in subpoenaing a sitting president — and thereby interfering with his ability to carry out his duties — all for the sake of indicting a single Trump Organization official for under-reporting taxes. Now the Biden administration has inflicted even more damage on the Presidency by waiving Trump’s constitutional right to confidential communications with his closest aides. On January 23, 2021, Senate Judiciary Committee Democrats sent a letter to the Department of Justice demanding production of documents concerning meetings and communications between Trump and high-ranking Justice Department officials regarding election fraud.

House and the Senate committees subsequently followed up with subpoenas for a slew of top former Justice Department officials, such as Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen, assistant attorney general Jeffrey Clark, and U.S. Attorneys in Georgia and New York. In normal times, the Justice Department would immediately reject these demands. Article II of the Constitution specifies, after all, that the President “may require the Opinion” from his principal officers “upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective offices.” Ever since President George Washington refused to share documents with the House about the Jay Treaty, the Executive Branch has asserted the need to keep confidential documents and information that reflect presidential decision-making and deliberation.

In Nixon v. United States, the Supreme Court recognized that the President must enjoy an executive privilege in order to receive the full and frank advice of top officials in order to effectively discharge his constitutional duties. More recently, the D.C. federal court has recognized that “history and legal precedent teach that documents from a former or an incumbent President are presumptively privileged.” The Supreme Court has only recognized an exception when a criminal defendant’s own constitutional right to information conflicts with the President’s right to confidentiality. Then—and only then—has the Court sought to balance the two competing rights by intruding only as necessary on the claim of privilege. Congress’s demands for documents and subpoenas for testimony are more far-reaching and much more destructive to the separation of powers.

While Congress has a right to investigate the events leading to the terrible riot of January 6, it does not have a right to override the constitutional prerogatives of an independent branch of government. If Congress has the right to demand presidential documents and discussions at will, it could just as easily force the Justices of the Supreme Court to reveal their deliberations about the electoral fraud cases brought after the November 3 elections, too. Imagine the howls from Capitol Hill if the Trump Justice Department had issued subpoenas to Nancy Pelosi to obtain internal documents and communications between her and her top legislative advisors about threat assessments provided in the run-up to the January 6 joint meeting of Congress.

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    Germ
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    “Robert W Malone MD Interview on mRNA Tech Invention, Problems with Public Health Pandemic Response”

    39 mins – enjoy.

    Robert W Malone MD Interview on mRNA Tech Invention, Problems with Public Health Pandemic Response

    #82773
    upstateNYer
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    @mister: re, Cuomo. When they turn on one of their own it’s swift and ugly. It appears even King Cuomo wasn’t exempt. Expect more of this as things disintegrate. Wonder who’s next?? (ps … couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy … /sarc)

    #82774
    Germ
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    As I’ve said before – I can’t believe that I have to listen to Fox for the truth.
    Up is down, Black is white, War is peace.
    Incredible!

    #82775

    Hellllllo AE community. Always helpful ( especially you Germ) so here is another question. It forms a foundational belief amongst my vaccinated family, and I suspect many others. Is it an indisputable fact that Asymptomatically infected individuals are prime spreaders ? Eg. One must stay well clear of anyone returning from a plane flight as they could very well be asymptomatic!

    #82776
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    Why is everyone so pissed off at the government for not doing its job ? Isn’t the government hired and paid to provide security to “good” people by taking away the freedom of “bad” people . . . by force if necessary ? Well, it sure looks to me like that’s exactly what they’re doing, and doing it with unprecedented gusto. Mission almost fully accomplished. Vaccine passports should wrap it up nicely.

    In other words, you can have your security or you can eat your freedom, but you can’t eat your security and have cake at the same time. . . or something like that.

    #82777
    Noirette
    Participant

    UpstateNYer, to take up the theme of potential vaxs associate deaths, another angle I have been thinking about…at a tangent so to speak: what about vaxxed ppl who caught COV-19 and died?

    (Is now openly admitted as possible, by the CDC, other authorities..)

    Autopsies harm no-one and provide many clues, answers.

    So where was, is, all that super informative data?

    Here is one sci. art. July 2021, which seems sensible, but treats – 3 (three) deaths in Hamburg.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1344622321000596

    Here one that recos. autopsies, and offers a review (see the paper, lots of info…) Quote:

    Nevertheless, only two complete autopsies are described and the cause of death was listed as COVID-19 in only one of them. The lack of postmortem investigation did not allow a definition of the exact cause of death ….

    https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/9/5/1472

    There are more papers … but no large-scale study (afaik..) – a thorough review would be good, lacking that, the present in the news move comes from a German Chief Pathologist:

    The director of the Pathological Institute of the University of Heidelberg, Peter Schirmacher, has carried out over forty autopsies on people who had died within two weeks of their vaccination. Schirmacher expressed alarm over his findings.

    German chief pathologist sounds alarm on fatal vaccine injuries

    #82778
    Germ
    Participant

    “South Korea to compensate nurse paralyzed after AstraZeneca vaccine”

    https://www.rt.com/news/531353-south-korea-astrazeneca-nurse/

    #82779
    Germ
    Participant

    O/T but, WTF !!!

    “US sends in B-52s in desperate bid to stop the Taliban seizing key Afghan cities”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9871453/US-sends-B-52-bombers-Spectre-gunships-halt-advance-Taliban.html

    #82780
    Germ
    Participant

    Here’s Karl’s latest:

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243182

    Damn he’s smart!

    #82781
    zerosum
    Participant

    The path of is being implemented everyday.
    The fight for life, has evolved a mechanism of maximizing spreading geographically so as to survive the longest on the time line.
    Also, being in a Mutualism symbiotic relationship with other life forms has been proven to be the most beneficial.

    In asymptomatic cases, people don’t know they are infected. There is no way for others to know either. Regardless of how COVID-19 presents, the disease is contagious and can easily transmit to others. The possibility that an asymptomatic person could infect other people is exactly the same as in symptomatic cases.

    #82782
    TAE Summary
    Participant

    * The Three Questions
    1) How effective are the vaccines at preventing Covid symptoms, death and long Covid?
    2) How prevalent, how severe and how long term are side effects (including death) from the vaccines?
    3) How effective are the FLCCC protocols at preventing infection, hospitalization, death and long Covid?

    * UK Government Report
    – With 80% vaccinated the overall risk of dying from the Delta variant in the UK is 2.5x higher if you are unvaccinated. This does not speak to absolute risk reduction.
    – UK data actually answers question 1) somewhat affirmatively but does not answer questions 2) and 3)

    * Israeli data
    – Does not show severity of cases and so offers no data on effectiveness
    – Israeli data does not answer any of the three questions

    * Ippocrate protocols go beyond MATH+
    – Intended to answer 3) affirmatively but shows no data

    * Iceland data
    – Shows that vaxxed individuals can catch and spread the Delta variant without mentioning severity
    – This alone answers none of the three questions

    * The Lancet
    – …. Assessing the suitability of vaccines must consider all indicators, and involve safety, deployability, availability, and costs.
    Questions 2) needs to be answered.

    * Very Rare Adverse Effects are part of the answer to question 2) but are downplayed by the media

    * To Sum Up
    – No one should care about the number of cases, only the number of adverse short and long term consequences. Case counts alone can be misleading.
    1) There is evidence that shows that the vaccines diminish symptoms though not completely so 1) can be answered somewhat positively.
    2) The vaccines do have known adverse short term consequences and unknown adverse long term consequences including enabling variants. These consequences are downplayed and ignored. There is a big effort to not answer 2).
    3) Most on TAE believe (I assume) that the FLCCC or similar protocols are more effective than vaccines without short or long term adverse consequences. The repression of this information is the biggest problem.

    Without FLCCC protocols your choice is to get vaccinated or risk getting Covid. The MSM has most people believing this is their only choice and uses the partial effectiveness of 1) while downplaying 2) to convince people to get vaccinated. In short, without 3), 1) despite 2) is your only option.

    #82783
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Noirette, thank you for the link to the German pathologist. The lack of autopsies on [potential] vaccine associated deaths is the glaring “tell” as to what is being swept under the rug (at least, here in the US). There’s no excuse for it. Which gets back to … where are those in the medical industry who should be doggedly pursuing this? None of them are doing that because they’re a bunch of spineless jellyfish who prefer a paycheck to the truth. Even if people are dying. What a sad statement on how far we’ve fallen.

    Raul is correct when he noted, “They’re planning the approval in early September. That will be the last of the FDA’s credibility.”

    Or maybe the FDA is past credibility even now for many people. Myself included.

    #82784
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    TAE Summary for the slam dunk!! Well done!

    #82785
    Susmarie108
    Participant

    Beautiful LOVE letters from Bob Dylan and Johnny Cash.

    I remember the days when a song would be “played all summer” – and you would have a real experience of it. You weren’t completely alone with your thoughts/feelings, as we were all plugged into the same “outlets” hearing the same things TOGETHER. I honestly believe that it brought us together in the most significant Ways.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB8GhG2wxQ0\

    Get Together
    by the Youngbloods

    Love is but a song we sing
    Fear’s the way we die
    You can make the mountains ring
    Or make the angels cry
    Though the bird is on the wing
    And you may not know why
    Come on, people now
    Smile on your brother
    Everybody get together
    Try to love one another right now….

    #82786
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @zero: “The possibility that an asymptomatic person could infect other people is exactly the same as in symptomatic cases.

    Is it exactly the same? I’ve listened to interviews with MDs who state that asymptomatic people likely don’t have a high enough viral load in their nasal passage, etc., to readily spread the disease to others through coughing, sneezing. It’s also been noted the idea of healthy individuals spreading disease is not how we’ve historically viewed or handled epi/pandemics. We don’t normally quarantine healthy people. Why is this coronavirus different?

    Also, what *is* an asymptomatic person?
    — Someone who hasn’t yet shown signs of illness? (early in the disease process)
    — Someone who will never show signs of illness (why don’t they? AND … how do we know they even had covid, random PCR testing??)
    — Someone who had a mild illness, laid around the house for a day, then felt better and so is asymptomatic now? Again, how do we know they had covid? PCR test?

    #82787
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    “I’m seeing everybody around me get sick and dying. Let me just go ahead and get vaccinated.’”

    Except…that isn’t what I’m seeing at all. In 18 months I’m aware of two deaths — a friend of my mother’s and my middle school drama teacher. My mother’s friend was a widow, missing her husband and resigned to die. I hadn’t seen my former drama teacher in decades, and am unfamiliar with any comorbidities that he may have had…but he was of advanced age. These things happen. I’m usually aware of a few older folks who pass away each year.

    My attorney and my partner were sick day after day with Covid…but then they both recovered and were fine. For everyone else I know who had it (including myself) it was “like a flu,” except for my father who did not fall ill…and my kids who were exposed repeatedly but have no indication of ever being infected.

    No, I am not seeing an uptick in sickness or death! (Stop gaslighting me, Fauci!!)

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Two years ago my partner and I met a couple who were living their dream — an off grid property where they could, with likeminded others, build their own home and grow their own food, living in harmony with nature. Yesterday we visited them. To our delight we discovered that we still had very much in common, and, interestingly enough, were of one mind when it came to Covid and the vaccines. We had not corresponded in 2 years…and yet had accessed similar information and arrived at the same conclusion.

    They needed to purchase more water rights, found an appropriate seller, however, their neighbor runs a bed and breakfast and apparently wants to run them off of their land, and is creating a legal challenge to the purchase that is costing them all of their reserves and more. To find out what they are doing, who they are, and possibly help them out, follow this link: The Wild Cooperative

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Regarding ADE…I find myself wanting further data to corroborate that it is happening.
    (1) there is sufficient data to determine that the vaccine does basically nothing to halt infection nor infectious ness
    (2) there is sufficient data to determine that the Covid protection from the vaccine wanes as the months pass, and is very low after 6 months.
    (3) there is preliminary evidence that vaccination *might* lead to ADE, however, since the oldest, sickest cohort were the first to be vaccinated, we know that the protection wanes over time, and the expression of ADE is very similar symptomatically to severe Covid, preliminary evidence is not jarring enough to present it to the vaccine “true believers.” I don’t think that vaccine true believers are going to be jolted until YOUNG vaccine recipients are dying at higher than normal rates from ADE. And, it also needs to be seen overwhelmingly that the unvaccinated would be (a) Covid-naive, not getting severely ill from Covid or (b) Covid survivors, not getting ill at all from Covid. And this needs to be so prevalent that the lived reality of the vaccinated “true believers” is a stark contrast to the “gas lighting” by the media, et al.

    (As far as #3, it appears that Democritus noticed these problems as well. There just isn’t enough data to convincingly state that ADE is occurring…)

    It is quite depressing to think about. I was steeling myself for the time when my vaccinated friends would show signs of vaccine injury. That time is upon me. Only 1 out of 5 currently see the vaccines as the culprit. I am steeling myself for the time when there are deaths from ADE.

    I realize that I am pattern seeking. I try to remain at least somewhat aware of what sort of evidence would be to the contrary. Just like I *wanted* to believe that my vaccinated friends were as safe as they felt once they were vaccinated…but now there is a preponderance of evidence that I was right and they were wrong. It saddens me. I didn’t want to be right.

    ~~~~~~~~~

    My 2 cents regarding the comments…more ingredients added to the pot, we have been stirred up and there is some froth. So, turn down the heat, we need to find a new equilibrium, a new homeostasis. This is jarring, can be upsetting, but this is what life is about: change. Living systems are not static, we are never going to be able to regress to an idyllic past.

    My preference is to embrace Democritus and deflationista. To do so is consistent with my values. However, what I have learned from years of interacting with cherished family whose beliefs differ radically from my own, is that we focus on finding our commonalities and instead of trying to convince each other that “my way is RIGHT!.” This will reduce argument and help keep emotions to a manageable level in discussions. We can respectfully disagree.

    I support D & D’s need to share and comment. However, share, rather than try to convince. If you run across an article that speaks to you, share it, and let us know why it speaks to you.

    I also feel for the frustration felt in this crazy set of circumstances and the isolation that comes when friends are suddenly holding opinions that differ radically from our own, and the challenge of navigating this situation.

    (This is my attempt to keep my comments to one per day. Now I’ve gotta work on striking camp.)

    ~~~~~~~~~

    I found out last night that my daughter’s school district has enacted a mask mandate in accordance with the CDC and in violation with recently enacted Arizona law. Parents are given the option to opt their child out of the mask mandate…but I cannot exercise that option as my co-parent is a CDC acolyte and we have joint legal — eh, you know the jargon.

    Which authority is more powerful — the federal CDC or the Arizona State Legislature?

    #82788
    Germ
    Participant

    I’m still reeling from the outright falsehoods being spewed by this doctor.

    After all that we know about these vaxxines, that he can spew such misinformation is extraordinary.

    #82789
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    In the past, I have shared dreams here that I believed were related to the quasi-pandemic or TAE, and I trust that I am not contributing to “comment pollution” by doing so.

    I dreamed last night that I was a teenage boy, probably 16 or 17 YO, walking down remote county highways quite a walking distance from my hometown but a brief car-ride distance. It was well after dark during a temperate time of year in Wisconsin. I initially thought I knew my way, but gradually over the course of what was probably an hour or so, I realized I was lost and starting to feel quite a bit of anxiety over that. I was hoping that my mother would happen along in her car and pick me up for the journey home, as I recall she and I had gone someplace located out in the boonies together, and for some reason, I grew weary of whatever the goal of the original travel was and headed out on my own.

    Realizing I was lost and with no cars visible anywhere on the road at the moment, I figured I should do pursue some other plan for dealing with the fact that I was lost. I came upon a small town that was remarkably brightly-lit with astonishingly vivid colors, albeit tinged with a very “street-lighty” yellow-orange. The dream wrapped up as I headed for a gas-station with a high-mounted red and yellow “Shell” sign in front of it. I didn’t knew what I would do once there, but I did know at least I wouldn’t be walking the remote by-ways all by myself.

    I’m thinking that perhaps the county highways I was traversing was the Internet, and the feeling of being lost, alone, and afraid was a symbol of the knowledge of the various predicaments modern society is facing. And the very brightly lit small town was TAE, the Shell sign symbolizing the fact that this started out as a “peak oil blog”. (Perhaps not, but that was my perception of it at the time I originally discovered this corner of the Internet back in 2011-ish.)

    #82790
    zerosum
    Participant

    @ upstateNYer

    The qualifier ….
    The possibility

    #82791
    Noirette
    Participant

    Spineless jellyfish yes, UpstateNY. The docs, medical staff and associated (some exceptions of course) won’t be kicking back or taking any action whatsoever against the creation of an official category of ppl who will be viciously repressed, i.e. the unvaxxed.

    Who are to be downgraded and corralled, soon to be the victims of the of new-style, oh so modern, witch-hunts..

    MSM selection:

    Italy, to deny the vote for the dirty unvaxxed (eng.)

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/italy-denying-the-right-to-vote-if-unvaccinated/

    France, to deny the vote (eng)

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/no-vax-no-vote-macron-s-vaccine-passport-plan-sparks-fury

    In these countries to have voting status revoked is to turn a citizen into an animal that can be hunted, a non-person.

    China, access to hospitals, schools, parks, …

    Unvaccinated people in parts of China to be denied access to hospitals, parks and schools

    Israel to make public the names of the unvaxxed..

    https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210224-israel-adopts-law-allowing-names-of-unvaccinated-to-be-shared

    For thousands of years scapegoats within communities have been sacrificed…to let the powerful continue their control and domination.

    #82792

    summary,

    Without FLCCC protocols your choice is to get vaccinated or risk getting Covid.

    No, getting vaccinated does not take away risk of getting Covid.

    #82793
    Susmarie108
    Participant

    Ilargi,

    Curious….how is it that those Dylan/Cash LOVE letters found their Way into today’s lineup? Have you been saving them over the years or did they just pop into the moment?

    In appreciation for you sharing them.
    Susan

    #82794
    laffin_boy
    Participant

    A Suggestion for Raul::

    There seems to be a natural progression to the lifespan of blogs written by thoughtful & perceptive authors who have a “non-mainstream” message. The early comments will come from people who tend to be on a similar wavelength but also have the ability to understand the subtleties and complexities of the author’s POV. Then, as time goes by, the blog will increasingly attract another group of people who sort of get the message but like the “feel” of the site so they “move in” and, over time, tend to become the majority voice in the comment section.

    The 3rd and, very often, final stage of blog evolution happens when the blog’s controversial subject matter becomes visible enough to attract skilled trolls who’re being paid to sabotage the blogs effectiveness. This ignites the comment section – which, by now, has become just an Echo Chamber that radiates heat but no light – as the majority of your posters help out the trolls by arguing with them!

    This 3rd stage of blogdom often causes authors who are fed up with commenters who have, in effect, hijacked the blog and shut down the site out of frustration. I hope you don’t take this route as you’re providing an important educational public service that, to my knowledge, isn’t duplicated anywhere else.

    You have, at the moment, 3 – count ‘em – 3 regular posters who are an asset to TAE. Period. You know who they are as well as I do. Plus 2 trolls and 20 – 25 regular “participants” who have turned TAE into their own personal perversion of Twitter. You also have an unknown number of readers, like myself, that rarely or never post here for various reasons – including the unfortunate fact that your comments section is no longer receptive to suggestions that challenge what passes for thought on this forum.

    Your “cheering section”, in the abstract, respects what you do but then uses the comment area for their own selfish purposes – which ruins the potential usefulness of a forum for insightful and infomational posts that add to rather than subtract from what you’re trying to do.

    Let me offer you a suggestion: Will WordPress allow you to limit all posters to one post per day? As you saw yesterday your plea for reason and moderation – to say nothing of usefulness by commenters – was universally agreed to and then completely ignored.

    Stronger measures are needed I think.

    #82795
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    @Noirette: I followed the links (with some help from Google Translate for the one in Italian), and I think it’s important to add the caveat that the “no jab, no vote” laws in Italy and France are not definite. The idea of of vaccine passports was dismissed not terribly long ago as right-wing conspiracism, but now that these passports are being fully promoted, I’m not saying the electoral unpersoning of the unvaxxed could never happen. But rumors and possibilities that are not yet formally proposed should be referred to as rumors and possibilities just so we’re clear on what’s what right now.

    #82796
    TAE Summary
    Participant

    @ilargi

    No, getting vaccinated does not take away risk of getting Covid.

    True. I should have written

    Without FLCCC protocols your choice is to get vaccinated and risk the adverse effects or risk getting Covid with none of the claimed benefits of vaccination.

    #82797
    DarkMatter
    Participant

    I’ve seen claims that people can spread asymptomatically and claims they cannot. I followed some of the claims to two papers. One paper said they saw no asymptomatic spread. The other said they did, but it was all spread by presymptomatic carriers. My guess is there is an important distinction between asymptomatic and presymptomatic. People who never get symptoms have immune systems that are winning against the virus and don’t shed much. People who will get symptoms are losing against the virus and shed a lot more. Of course there is no way to distinguish between a- and pre- symptomatic people until after the fact.
    As I said, this is just a guess and I would be interested in the opinion of someone more knowledgable.

    #82798
    those darned kids
    Participant

    phoenix: your two cents on the commentamania (thanks, raúl!) are some of the most insightful yet, and deserve at the very least to be adjusted to the CPI. i’m gnu here (not a rhinoceros, thank you), and kinda came in with three feet forward. thank god d&d showed up in time to distract ;+). i, too, hope they continue to post…

    #82804
    those darned kids
    Participant

    sorry for the extra, but i don’t want to seem rude. at the end of post 82798 i was sincerely trying to say that d&d’s comments were most welcome from my point of view.

    #82805
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @laffin_boy

    A few points about your points :

    Raul sets the tone and agenda, of his own free will I presume, by means of the news aggregation at the start of each edition.

    I’ve been posting in fits and starts for a little over 8 years, in comparison to your 1 year. That affords me no special privileges nor does it make my opinion or druthers any better than yours . . . but it does give me a much longer perspective, and I think TAE is toddling along just fine.

    I am sure that this place has its fair share of curmudgeons, delicate egos, prima donnas and ranters, but probably no ordinary and outright trolls at the moment that I know of .

    Yeah, things get wound up a little tight from time to time but then Raul raps our knuckles and most of us calm down.

    I absolutely do not share your opinion that there are only 3 worthy regular posters currently active. Even if that were true you have not showed the rest of much reason to accept your presumptuous claim to know these unnamed posters might be.

    Earn your spurs, cowboy. Start posting. I’ll read your stuff and decide for myself if you’ve got the chops to make such a call.

    #82806
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    TAE Summary: “UK Government Report… the overall risk of dying from the Delta variant in the UK is 2.5x higher if you are unvaccinated.”

    … but if you look a little deeper at the most recent GOV.UK report, and look at the data for the younger people (<50) separately from the older people (50+), then the picture changes significantly. The number of deaths is probably not large enough to make any definitive conclusions, but here’s what the current numbers say:

    For those younger than 50, the (delta variant) case fatality rate for the vaccinated is about 1.5 times higher than for the unvaccinated. The survival rate is very high for both vaccinated and unvaccinated, 99.95% and 99.97% respectively, for the <50 age group.

    For those age 50 and older, the case fatality rate for the unvaccinated is about 6 times higher than for the vaccinated. The survival rate is about 98% for the vaccinated and 94% for the unvaccinated, for the 50+ age group.

    ————————————–
    Calculations using data from Table 5

    Delta cases (1 Feb – 2 Aug, 2021)
    <50, unvaccinated — 147,612
    <50, vaccinated 2 doses — 25,536
    50+, unvaccinated — 3,440
    50+, vaccinated 2 doses — 21,472

    Deaths
    <50, unvaccinated — 48
    <50, vaccinated 2 doses — 13
    50+, unvaccinated — 205
    50+, vaccinated 2 doses — 389

    Case Fatality Rate
    <50, unvaccinated — 48/147,612 = 0.033%
    <50, vaccinated 2 doses — 13/25,536 = 0.051%
    50+, unvaccinated — 205/3,440 = 5.96%
    50+, vaccinated 2 doses — 389/21,472 = 1.81%

    Survival Rate
    <50, unvaccinated — 100% – 0.033% = 99.97%
    <50, vaccinated 2 doses — 100% – 0.051% = 99.95%
    50+, unvaccinated — 100% – 5.96% = 94.04%
    50+, vaccinated 2 doses — 100% – 1.81% = 98.19%

    SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England
    Technical briefing 20, 6 August 2021

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

    #82807
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Well, I feel a need to resonate with DBSmith.

    “The 3rd and, very often, final stage of blog evolution happens when the blog’s controversial subject matter becomes visible enough to attract skilled trolls who’re being paid to sabotage the blogs effectiveness. This ignites the comment section – which, by now, has become just an Echo Chamber that radiates heat but no light – as the majority of your posters help out the trolls by arguing with them!”

    Yup. Mobs get distracted from their glorious fight against evil by finding little guys they can stone to death. Doesn’t matter if the little guy “deserves” stoning or not. It’s a waste of time at best and a degenerate disintegration of the “glorious revolution” at worst.

    “Let me offer you a suggestion: Will WordPress allow you to limit all posters to one post per day? As you saw yesterday your plea for reason and moderation – to say nothing of usefulness by commenters – was universally agreed to and then completely ignored.”

    I took your suggestions seriously until reading this. Lord how our egos crave absolutes.

    An observation: in order to stop an echo-chamber auto-immune response from like-minded discussion groups against trolls, a sort of cytokine discussion storm, you point out certain troll-encouraging behaviors, then use this logic this to justify near-Stalinist extremes of behavior limitation, using typical Stalinesque Hyperbole of the Absolute.

    How we love to join crusades if we can run a few non-affiliates* off and in the process enhance our sense of group identity. Team TAE! Team TAE! *(I should add ‘perceived as such’ to that sentence, for some people here do feel affiliation with the posters who’ve been presented as Socially Unacceptable comrades. When it comes to ostracism and proscription that is unjust, unforgiving, and harmful, we seem amply able to learn from the examples shown by Fauci et al and apply them on each other here. *(alienating them almost to the point of deeming themhomo sacer .

    Want to see how vakzinasis can be so mindlessly blindly oppressive to anti-vakzies? Watch us here and study. We are teaching it to ourselves and each other.

    “Stronger measures are needed I think.”

    Oh yes. STRONGER measures. Let’s get tough. I’ll provide the chew-toys. 🙂

    It is easy to dismiss deflationista and democritus as mere trolls. Trolls, even paid trolls, they may well be, but they’re also genuine people with their own views. Perhaps they rather enjoy their alleged work because it endorses their learned confirmation biases (which in turn helps them to be blind to the flaws we perceive in what appears to be deceptive data).

    Perhaps part of the sincere motivation they may feel for their work is how their ‘targets’ respond to them viciously, wantonly, more or less like an angry mob. (Oh, they ask for it, come in swinging, but “then they fight you, then they win”, they in this case being the alleged trolls; but we choose to echo their behavior, ensuring them at least some degree of victory.) This makes it that much easier for them to cling to their confirmation biases.

    Moral: It’s easier to swat flies than clean up the yard shit attracting them in the first place.

    Meanwhile, having rejoined FB via my original birth name, and avoiding politics, I nonetheless got reprimanded today for making this joke to my best friend in high school. I won’t link to the FB page lest I trigger anyone’s allergies, but here’s the skinny:

    bedouins

    My friend is scarcely visible over his parents’ heads, aiming a toy gun at the camera. (The father is the guy who didn’t stop in Beirut when ordered to by a Brit UN peacekeeper. Major stud.)

    I wrote:

    You’re the sniper hding behind your parents, I see. Look at them. Like a Hollywood screen shot.
    This received 2 Likes and a big laughy face from my friend.

    I followed with:

    I can tell cuz he’s aiming at me.
    More Laughs/Likes.

    Then I finished with:

    blaster boy

    Rebel scum. I’ll blast you off your Daddy’s head!

    FB notified me in 2 minutes, max, that:
    Your comment goes against our Community Standards on violence and incitement
    No one else can see your comment.
    We have these standards to prevent and disrupt offline harm.

    <end>

    I say: don’t be like FB. Negotiate. Engage one another specifically, politely, honestly with your concerns. Don’t form pecking cliques, pls. I can take it, I’m used to being picked on. But it’s bad for all of us. “Pls,” he implored, putting on a Jon Stewart “I am NOT a lizard person!’ Stewart skin suit, “stop. Please, please, please stop. You’re hurting us in your attempts to help us.”

    As Dr. D would say, “SO much helping.”

    #82808

    You have, at the moment, 3 – count ‘em – 3 regular posters who are an asset to TAE. Period.

    We have many more than 3. And I don’t think we have any trolls.

    I have confidence that people will solve the issues themselves. They got carried away for a moment.

    This site has existed since January 2008. We’ve been through many cycles of many things.

    #82809
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Correction to my post above:

    For those age 50 and older, the case fatality rate for the unvaccinated is about 3 times higher (not 6 times) than for the vaccinated.

    #82810
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Royal DUTCH Shell.

    The CDC has no power at all. They are a (private) advisory body. If they have any power, it would have to come from Congress, but we always have tension between Congress who says “go forth” and standing bureaucracy that makes up 10,000 specific (illegal) rules to help friends they defend with infinite state lawyers, then must be sued within an inch to stop them. This is similar to the Federal Reserve. Now if people ACT as if they, CDC, whoever, have any power at all, States play along as we have so far, well…there you go, you ceded all your rights although S.C. said totally, laughably illegal. But legally, very little power, although they’re claiming total power over all space, time, and reality. …Kind of like the UK supreme Court did.

    Both have been reported and there’s no binary on/off for contagion, but my diagnosis was that Covid had essentially no asymptomatic spread, same as all other diseases ever. Now it depends: on the Diamond Princess they locked you in a room with someone having it: no spread 80% of the time anyway. On the other hand, a pre-symptomatic or dragging-around person unaware might spread to a cancer patient with no immune system. SeeWhutImean? But generally, no spread, like always, physics still works and was not suspended for the Simpsons’ Cat Disease. (Cats get Covid. RUSSIAN cats.)

    Two more problems present: one, it appears and was argued that BECAUSE vaxxed don’t get sick they are now far more likely, even everyday COVID super spreaders. Forever. Maybe so. Two, the TESTS DON’T WORK, so how would you ever figure out #1 until you go back and do it all again correctly? We’re not even sure we have the right COVID for PCR, much less Delta, although I disagree it’s — never — been sequenced. That’s how we, the UN Bioweapons director, Cornell, could all tell pretty quick it was a bioweapon. But you know nothing until you test correctly, which we never have once. Careful what you know.

    …And now as you say, you have a problem: How sick? How symptomatic? We asked this early too, but no one’s created a good 1-100 number system for “bad” and even “dead” is well-contested. Obesity was #1 comorbidity, do they look at interested in saving anyone? Nope. They’ve had 18 months, did they train nurses, open hospitals, get the National Guard ready for the winter? Not on your life. Nurses are quitting in droves over general conditions and treatment, nevermind Covid. Cuomo or anyone could solve these problems in 30 days. Nope. Nada finger. Blame dat dere guyz! He’s whut done it!

    Well when this — probably ADE — hits like a hammer next month as it’s hit Iceland, you can all think about the nurses you’ve driven out, sitting home, or working as insurance adjusters waiting not to be assaulted beside every bed. But when there was a blizzard last year, and winter is coming, and then I punched out the windows, see, that’s an Pure Act of God nobody could have seen coming or avoided. …Except for literally everyone like me and Joe NASCAR can see it clear. If they tried to solve it instead of running around blaming others like weasel bureaucrats, it would be easily (if inconveniently) solved. Suit yourself. Change only comes from work.

    #82811
    Rototillerman
    Participant

    On asymptomatic transmission:

    Full testimony of former HHS Covid Adviser: ‘Asymptomatic transmission more myth than reality’

    Here is a paper on transmission of the virus in households that appears to state that asymptomatic transmission is rare (0.7%) compared to symptomatic transmission (18%). I suppose it is all how you define symptomatic.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33315116/

    The whole origin of the asymptomatic angle came, if I remember correctly from Christian Drosten in Germany, where there was an instance of a woman from China who was diagnosed supposedly without symptoms. However, it later came to light that the woman was taking some form of medication that lessened her symptoms, so the asymptomatic claim is now in question. But at this point it is firmly embedded into the narrative.

    #82812
    zerosum
    Participant

    @ Doc Robinson

    Correction of link

    SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England
    Technical briefing 20, 6 August 2021

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1009243/Technical_Briefing_20.pdf

    Table 5. Attendance to emergency care and deaths of confirmed and provisional Delta cases in England by vaccination status
    (1 February 2021 to 2 August 2021)

    #82813
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Regarding presymptomatic/asymptomatic, Swiss Policy Research looked at multiple studies. This issue ties into the mask mandate issue.


    Pre-symptomatic transmission is real. But face masks still don’t work.

    Because many authorities justified mask mandates with pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic coronavirus transmission, many skeptics and critics tried to argue against the existence or importance of pre-symptomatic and asymptomatic transmission. But pre- and asymptomatic transmission is real for the same reason that face masks don’t work: aerosols…

    In contrast to transmission by pre-symptomatic people (i.e. a few days or hours before symptom onset), transmission by people who remain fully asymptomatic is a bit more complex to evaluate, because this group includes some people with a low viral load, which makes them less contagious. In addition, fully asymptomatic people are much more difficult to detect. However, nobody knows beforehand if they will develop symptoms or not, and as a Swedish doctor recently showed, even fully asymptomatic transmission has been documented in several carefully designed studies.

    In conclusion, pre-symptomatic aerosol transmission is very real and has played an important role in driving the coronavirus pandemic. For the very same reason, face masks, ‘temperature screening’, reactive lockdowns, and even ‘contact tracing’ (beyond the very early phase) have not worked.

    Postscript

    “The abundance of this speech-generated aerosol, combined with its high viral load in pre- and asymptomatic individuals, strongly implicates airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2 through speech as the primary contributor to its rapid spread.” (‘Breathing, speaking, coughing or sneezing: What drives transmission of SARS-CoV-2?’, Stadnytskyi et al, JIM, June 2021)

    Postscript II

    The Australian coronavirus outbreak in June 2021 confirmed the key role played by pre-symptomatic aerosol transmission: in a major Sydney cluster, a pre-symptomatic person infected an entire birthday party of 24 people; a pre-symptomatically infected flight attendant went on five domestic flights before testing positive; and an infected nurse traveled for 10 days before testing positive, having already infected several of her contacts.

    Postscript III

    Even in hospitals, pre-symptomatic aerosol transmission may drive outbreaks: “In this context, our cases consolidated the importance of presymptomatic transmission in the nosocomial outbreak, suggesting

    that the contact tracing period should be as early as 4 to 5 days before symptom onset.” (Jung et al, ICJ, June 2021)

    Pre-symptomatic transmission is very real

    #82814
    zerosum
    Participant

    @ Rototillerman
    Lots of good info at the link you provided

    Full testimony of former HHS Covid Adviser: ‘Asymptomatic transmission more myth than reality’


    You just cannot discuss this asymptomatic issue without factoring in the very flawed RT-PCR test with its 97% to 100% false positives at cycle counts (Ct) of 34 to 35 and above (optimal Ct of 24 to 25 denotes real infectiousness and predictive of serious outcomes). This disastrous RT-PCR test cannot be omitted from mention, for it was part of the ‘asymptomatic’ deception.
    it was evident that the RT-PCR tests had large numbers of false positive results when Thermal Cycle Thresholds of greater than 30 were used. This led to erroneous quarantines and closures when a positive test emerged. In fact, as Dimitri Mouliou states: “New technologies have loss of standardization as the countless PCR kits vary in methods and cutoff values, thus, test results are paralleled in unassociated weights, and a realistic comparison between cases is trammeled. Thus, by preserving the existence of misleading COVID-19 cases in such a way, [the] scientific community is being prevented from clear-sighted advances. Since PCR assay cannot distinguish between active and residual RNA, a better assay … needs to be designed.”
    We became aware early on that a cycle threshold (Ct) of 24 was the limit in RT-PCR testing, and everything above the limit was likely to be a false positive, picking up viral dust, fragments, old coronavirus, old recovered infection, etc. We knew the CDC had set the Ct at 40, and this contributed to the hundreds of thousands and millions of positive cases that were not positive, leading to wrongful policy mandates of school closures and unnecessary quarantine.
    Ballan and Tindall further explain that “a person showing no symptoms of Covid-19 may test positive for SARS-CoV-2 on a PCR test, which doesn’t necessarily mean that they are infectious. There are four ways in which this can happen: i) the test may give a false positive result due to several faults in the testing process or in the test itself (the person is not infected), ii) the person may have recovered from Covid-19 in the last three months (the person is not currently infected but dead debris of the virus are being picked up by the test), the person may be pre-symptomatic, i.e, the person is infected but still in the early stages of the disease and has not yet developed symptoms, and iv) the person may be asymptomatic, i.e. the person is infected but has pre-existing immunity and will never develop symptoms”.

    #82815
    Germ
    Participant
    #82816
    TAE Summary
    Participant

    @Doc Robison
    Thanks for that information. I think people underestimate the importance of aerosol transmission and ventilation and it hasn’t been made a focus of policy like it should have.
    Papers like this show that the louder you speak the more aerosols you emit. It sounds like a joke but a measure that would be more effective than masking would be to say no speaking or maybe just talk softly in this establishment.

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