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Vincent van Gogh Starry night over the Rhône 1888

 

To Governor DeSantis, Ivey, Lee And Others (Denninger)
FDA Advisory Panel Rejects Widespread Pfizer Booster Shots (AP)
FDA Advisory Panel Rejects COVID Booster Shot for Most Americans (NR)
How ‘Witch Hunts’ ALWAYS Start… (Denninger)
24 State AG’s Challenge Biden’s Vaccine Mandate For Private Sector (JTN)
Biden To Host Covid-19 Summit On Wednesday (Y!)
Excess Death:Life Ratio Is Unacceptable (Kirsch)
11 of 15 NYC Restaurants Not Enforcing Vaccine Mandate (NYP)
Vaccine Nasal Sprays Aim To ‘Shut Door’ On Virus (Y!)
Ronapreve: ‘Most Vulnerable’ To Get New Covid Drug Next Week (BBC)
Lions and tigers at National Zoo Being Treated For Covid-19 (JTN)
Morrison, The Third Amigo, Speaks Loudly To Xi (SMH)

 

 

Remarkable.

 

 

 

 

Less than a year ago.

 

 

Ron Paul

 

 

Karl leaves out the vit. D. Not great. But a good initiative.

To Governor DeSantis, Ivey, Lee And Others (Denninger)

It is time to respond to this outrage: BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (WBRC) – “The increase in usage of monoclonal antibodies has caused federal officials to place new limits on how much of them Alabama will get. We’ve learned that state health officials and legislators are fighting to make sure the state gets as much as it needs. The interesting twist is that there is no shortage of monoclonal antibodies of any kind nationwide. As of this week, the more than 200 providers offering monoclonal antibodies will see a roughly 30 percent reduction in what they requested.”

Ok, fine. Which one of you Governors would like to have a basically-zero Covid rate? Which one of you would like to be the State with the lowest rate of coronavirus disease, a collapsed health-care burden (to near-zero) and a collapsed rate of death too. How would you like to see this start to happen within two weeks and be so apparent every news stations has to report on it within a month?Here’s how — which, if you read when I put this forward, was something I promoted in early December of 2020. It costs about $2 per person in a household.

It’s simple: For anyone suspected (test results not back yet) you dispense to them five doses of Ivermectin to be taken every day if they are obese or otherwise morbid, and every second day if not along with one dose per every two days for everyone in the household, calibrated by their weight. Everyone in the household also gets ten days of a 1,000mg Vitamin C tablet and ten days of 30mg of Zinc, both dietary supplements. The exception is anyone on a blood thinner; you simply ask and, if they are, they don’t get the drug (but do get the supplements.) The State buys the drug in bulk, from India if you have to (fly a charter over there to pick it up; **** the Feds) and dispenses it.

Why? Read the linked article. This is is not just about treatment; it is also about cutting off forward transmission of the virus. It will not work every time but it doesn’t have to work every time — just often enough to suppress Rt below 1.0 and the virus dies out. The risk of someone having a serious adverse event from this is 1 in 600,000. If Florida has ten percent of their population that gets infected (or suspected to be) or is in a household with someone who is over the next three months (improbably high, but let’s go with it) that would be a cost of about $5 million. For Alabama it would cost about a million. That’s it. Who’s got the stones to do this?

Whoever does it first and collapses their Covid-19 case, hospitalization and death rate is President in 2024 — that is, if the other 49 States don’t have their residents lay siege to DC and their State governments as soon as they see the first State’s results. It won’t work? Yes it will — it did in a State in India too with over 200 million people. Grow a set, governors. The Federal Government cannot prevent you from doing this.

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AP changed the headline on the fly. From the one I used it became: “US Panel Backs Covid-19 Boosters Only For Seniors, High-risk”. Curious.

The rejection was massive, that is noticeable. 16-2.

FDA Advisory Panel Rejects Widespread Pfizer Booster Shots (AP)

Dealing the White House a stinging setback, a government advisory panel overwhelmingly rejected a plan Friday to give Pfizer COVID-19 booster shots across the board, and instead endorsed the extra vaccine dose only for those who are 65 or older or run a high risk of severe disease. The twin votes represented a heavy blow to the Biden administration’s sweeping effort, announced a month ago, to shore up nearly all Americans’ protection amid the spread of the highly contagious delta variant. The nonbinding recommendation — from an influential committee of outside experts who advise the Food and Drug Administration — is not the last word. The FDA will consider the group’s advice and make its own decision, probably within days. And the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is set to weigh in next week.

In a surprising turn, the advisory panel rejected, 16-2, boosters for almost everyone. Members cited a lack of safety data on extra doses and also raised doubts about the value of mass boosters, rather than ones targeted to specific groups. Then, in an 18-0 vote, it endorsed extra shots for people 65 and older and those at risk of serious disease. Panel members also agreed that health workers and others who run a high risk of being exposed to the virus on the job should get boosters, too. That would help salvage part of the White House’s campaign but would still be a huge step back from the far-reaching proposal to offer third shots of both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines to Americans eight months after they get their second dose. The White House sought to frame the action as progress.

“Today was an important step forward in providing better protection to Americans from COVID-19,” said White House spokesman Kevin Munoz. “We stand ready to provide booster shots to eligible Americans once the process concludes at the end of next week.”

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Same thing, but I noticed this sentence: “..data from Israel which shows that a booster can strengthen protection for a few weeks in older adults.”

FDA Advisory Panel Rejects COVID Booster Shot for Most Americans (NR)

An advisory panel to the Food and Drug Administration on Friday recommended against approving a booster shot of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine to most Americans. The scientific advisory committee voted 16-to-3 against recommending the additional shots, thwarting the Biden administration’s hopes that the FDA would approve the third shot in time to begin rolling out the extra dose for Pfizer recipients next week. However, the panel voted 18-0 in favor of recommending a booster shot for anyone over 65 or anyone who is at high risk of severe disease from COVID-19.

The vote followed a daylong debate in which a number of the panel’s independent experts questioned whether the data justified a broad rollout of an additional shot to most Americans while the vaccines still appear to offer strong protection against severe COVID-19 disease and hospitalization. “It’s unclear that everyone needs to be boosted, other than a subset of the population that clearly would be at high risk for serious disease,” said Dr. Michael G. Kurilla, a committee member and official at the National Institutes of Health. The CDC’s Dr. Sara Oliver presented data showing that vaccines continue to offer robust protection against severe forms of COVID-19 in the U.S., even in people 75 and older.

Jonathan Sterne, a professor of medical statistics and epidemiology in the U.K., said his analysis of 76 different studies on the vaccines’ real world effectiveness found that a number of factors can skew the results, including how many unvaccinated people in a study have natural immunity from earlier COVID-19 disease. He cautioned against drawing conclusions from short-term results from booster shots, such as data from Israel which shows that a booster can strengthen protection for a few weeks in older adults.

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“..the reason the town has a rat problem is that they’re leaving their damned trash outdoors and have killed all the cats who would otherwise control the rodents.”

How ‘Witch Hunts’ ALWAYS Start… (Denninger)

Non-sterilizing vaccines increase infection prevalence markedly because someone who is infected yet has protection does not know they’re infected and thus spreads it all over the place until it hits someone who has had a vaccine failure (not “breakthough”) or is unvaccinated. You then see actual symptomatic disease yet the vaccinated people may well have passed the pathogen through a dozen or more of them before that happened. In short the vaccines we’re using today cause VACCINATED PERSONS to screw both the unvaccinated and those who have waning immunity which incidentally is extremely common with narrowly-focused non-sterilizing vaccines (again, witness the “aP” versions of the pertussis vaccine .vs. the “wP” versions which are durable) and that does not even account for the coronavirus mutational factor which we’ve also know about for decades and, in non-sterilized vaccinated persons promotes mutational escape since the odds of being symptomatic go down.

Who doesn’t get screwed? Those who got the pathogen and built durable and broad natural immunity, as well as those who used sterilizing vaccines — if there is one. For coronaviruses there isn’t one so in point of fact the actual plague rats are calling everyone else a “witch” and threatening to drown or burn them when in fact the reason the town has a rat problem is that they’re leaving their damned trash outdoors and have killed all the cats who would otherwise control the rodents. And the worst part of it are the grifters who have 40+ years of actual scientific knowledge that they’re 100% full of **** and yet run around scaring everyone and telling them that if they just drown a few more witches the rats will go away. It was a damnable lie hundreds of years ago, it was used for profit hundreds of years ago and it remains a damnable lie used for profit today. Worse is a “vaccine passport”; that provides the plague rats the ability to congregate with more plague rats and wildly spread disease among them so as to find more susceptible hosts!

Such schemes with non-sterilizing vaccines ridiculously increase disease propagation.The absolute worst of this is forced, encouraged or, dare I say, allowed non-sterilizing vaccination among health care workers. That’s manslaughter because some percentage of their patients cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons and by definition those who seek health care are already compromised in some fashion or they wouldn’t be there. Perhaps they have cancer and are taking chemotherapy or have some immunological disorder. A non-sterilized vaccinated nurse or doctor treating them is going to kill them as certain as the sun will rise in the East tomorrow because said doctor or nurse has no idea they’re infected and passing the pathogen to others; as soon as it hits someone who is actually susceptible to get sick that person is screwed.

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“..a public health disaster that will displace vulnerable workers and exacerbate a nationwide hospital staffing crisis, with severe consequences for all Americans.”

24 State AG’s Challenge Biden’s Vaccine Mandate For Private Sector (JTN)

24 Republican attorneys general, led by South Carolina AG Alan Wilson, have joined a coalition to stop President Joe Biden’s recent order that the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) mandate that private sector employers with 100 or more employees require them to receive a COVID-19 shot, submit to weekly testing, or lose their jobs. The order, the AGs argue, would drive some workers to leave their jobs (in an already tight labor market not yet recovered from last year’s shutdowns) — including those in the healthcare industry. Calling Biden’s plan “disastrous and counterproductive,” the AGs’ letter warns the “vaccination mandate represents not only a threat to individual liberty, but a public health disaster that will displace vulnerable workers and exacerbate a nationwide hospital staffing crisis, with severe consequences for all Americans.”

Nurses have already been refusing vaccine mandates imposed by their employers in many states, and filed lawsuits arguing their natural immunity protects them and others. After working for over a year in hospitals and urgent care centers being exposed to those who had the coronavirus, plaintiffs in several lawsuits argue they were considered heroes. Now, they’re losing their jobs or being vilified for choosing not to take an experimental drug only available, in some cases, through emergency use authorization, according to their complaints. Biden’s mandate doesn’t include exemptions for those who work remotely, have religious objections or health concerns, or have already obtained natural immunity following recovery from the virus.

The attorneys general argue Biden’s “edict is also illegal,” relying as it does on a rarely used emergency temporary standard under the Occupational Safety and Health Act. Exempt from the normal public notice and comment period, the emergency standard can go into effect immediately upon publication. In June, the Department of Labor attempted to adopt an emergency temporary standard for the first time since 1983, and that attempt is currently under challenge. “Regardless of how you feel about vaccines, President Biden’s edict is illegal and if the administration doesn’t change course we’ll pursue every legal option to strike it down,” S.C. AG Wilson said in a statement. “I’m fully vaccinated and encourage everyone who can to get the shot, but this is a question of following the law. We think it will also mean fewer people will get vaccinated, which we’ve already seen in New York, where healthcare workers quit because of New York’s vaccine mandate.”

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More vaccines.

“..NGOs, philanthropists, and industry..”

Biden To Host Covid-19 Summit On Wednesday (Y!)

President Joe Biden will host a virtual summit with world leaders on the coronavirus pandemic next Wednesday, a day after he addresses the United Nations General Assembly, the White House said Friday. “This meeting is about expanding and enhancing our shared efforts to defeat Covid-19” and will seek to “align on a common vision” against the virus, Press Secretary Jen Psaki said in a statement. The summit will be “on the margins of the UN General Assembly.” Biden, due to address the annual UN meeting on Tuesday, has pitched the United States as the global leader on the fight to get the world vaccinated, even if the claim is greeted with skepticism by some health NGOs and others.


No details about participants were provided. Psaki said in her statement that the summit will build “from previous gatherings of world leaders and ministers in fora like the G7, G20, and Act Accelerator to rally civil society, NGOs, philanthropists, and industry along with world leaders and align on a common vision for defeating Covid-19 together.”

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Kirsch’s slides don’t fit well into Debt Rattle format.

Steve Kirsch Founded COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund (CETF). Entrepreneur, philanthropist, environmentalist.
Tweet: “@stkirsch had his Twitter account suspended for asking people to read his article on # of people killed by the vaccines. If Twitter thinks he’s wrong on this important issue, why not debate him instead of censoring him? You can follow him on GETTR. Slide 6 offered $1M bet to anyone who thought he was wrong. Where’s the misinfo? But if I tweet a link to his article, my account will be taken down so go to his GETTR account to see the post.”

Excess Death:Life Ratio Is Unacceptable (Kirsch)

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They need to make a living.

11 of 15 NYC Restaurants Not Enforcing Vaccine Mandate (NYP)

Most of the 15 Manhattan restaurants visited by undercover sleuths this week were not enforcing Mayor Bill de Blasio’s city-wide COVID-19 vaccine mandate for people dining inside, according to a new investigation. Only four of the 15 restaurants asked reporters for ID along with proof of vaccination before seating them inside, according to a segment from Inside Edition. At an Upper East Side location of the BurgerFi chain, the restaurant let a producer for the show order and eat inside without showing proof of vaccination — even though the eatery had small signs at each table that read “show me your vax.” When confronted the following day about the lax enforcement, a manager of the store said, “I’m shocked right now, not gonna lie. I’m shocked because I know that I’ve definitely been asking everyone.”


BurgerFi is now investigating the matter, a representative for the company told The Post. “After learning about the incident, we immediately began an investigation, and will continue to work with all BurgerFi locations to ensure all proper steps are taken to abide by vaccination dining regulations and policies appropriate to each restaurant location,” the spokesperson said. Hummus Kitchen, an Upper East Side Mediterranean restaurant, also didn’t ask to see proof of vaccination and matching ID when visited by an Inside Edition producer. Among the four restaurants that did cooperate with the order was SoHo’s Mercer Kitchen, where a hostess asked to see a vaccine card at the door.

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“.. trigger production of an antibody known as immunoglobulin A..”

Vaccine Nasal Sprays Aim To ‘Shut Door’ On Virus (Y!)

Could delivering Covid-19 immunity directly to the nose — the area of the body via which it is most likely to be transmitted — help conquer the pandemic? The World Health Organization says clinical trials are underway to evaluate eight nasal spray vaccines that target Covid-19. The most advanced effort so far by China’s Xiamen University, the University of Hong Kong and Beijing Wantai Biological Pharmacy has completed phase-2 trials. “When the virus infects someone it usually gets in through the nose,” said researcher Nathalie Mielcarek who is working with the Lille Pasteur Institute to develop a nasal spray vaccine against whooping cough. “The idea is to shut the door.”


An article published in Scientific American in March urged developing nasal spray vaccines because they have an immediate effect on the virus in an infected person’s mucus. There they trigger production of an antibody known as immunoglobulin A, which can block infection. “This overwhelming response, called sterilising immunity, reduces the chance that people will pass on the virus,” said the article. The vaccines currently available offer strong protection against severe forms of Covid-19 but are less reliable at preventing the spread of the virus. Stimulating immunity directly in the nose “lowers the risk of infecting other people”, said Mielcarek. “From there you have less of the virus infecting the lungs and so fewer severe cases since the viral load is lower,” she added.

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“..uses a pair of laboratory-made antibodies to attack the virus..”

“The UK is leading the world in identifying and rolling out life-saving medicines..”

Ronapreve: ‘Most Vulnerable’ To Get New Covid Drug Next Week (BBC)

The UK’s “most vulnerable” hospital patients, who are unable to build up an antibody response to Covid, will be offered new drug Ronapreve from Monday. The new Covid treatment, approved just last month, uses a pair of laboratory-made antibodies to attack the virus. It was famously used as part of the suite of experimental medicines given to US President Donald Trump last year. The antibody cocktail has been shown to reduce hospital stays by four days and cut the risk of death by a fifth. The government said it had secured sufficient supply of the new therapeutic for eligible NHS patients across the four nations to cover the forthcoming winter.


Health Secretary Sajid Javid said he was “thrilled it will be saving lives from as early as next week”. “The UK is leading the world in identifying and rolling out life-saving medicines, particularly for Covid 19, and we will continue our vital work to find the best treatments available to save lives and protect the NHS,” he said. The new treatment is expensive and priority will be given to those patients at greatest risk of becoming severely ill. It will be offered to those over-50 without the necessary antibodies, and those aged 12-49 who are immuno-compromised – for example those with certain cancers – who struggle to mount an antibody response, either through being exposed to Covid, or from vaccination.

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“..the Zoetis covid vaccine..”

Lions and tigers at National Zoo Being Treated For Covid-19 (JTN)

Nine big cats at the Smithsonian National Zoo in Washington D.C. are being treated for COVID-19 after testing positive for the virus, according to reports. According to zoo officials, six African lions, two Amur tigers, and a Sumatran tiger fell ill earlier this week. Animal keepers at the zoo say they observed decreased appetites, coughing, sneezing, and lethargy in several lions and tigers last weekend. After running a fecal test on the large cats, it was confirmed they had contracted the virus.


“The tigers are less affected than the lions, showing fewer symptoms. The varying degrees of symptoms have us watching all of the animals very carefully,” a zoo spokeswoman Pamela Baker-Masson told WTOP. ”We’re being as positive as possible.”The nine animals are being treated with anti-inflammatory and anti-nausea medication, along with an antibiotic to prevent pneumonia. The rest of the animals at the zoo are expected to be given the Zoetis covid vaccine, which is made specifically for animals. All of the large cats are expected to recover.

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“.. In the time it takes China to build 10 new submarines, Australia will be taking delivery of exactly none…”

Morrison, The Third Amigo, Speaks Loudly To Xi (SMH)

Beijing decided to break Australia’s will. It imposed trade bans on more than $20 billion worth of exports last year and published a list of 14 demands on Australia’s sovereignty. Australia’s reply was delivered this week. In co-ordinated appearances by Scott Morrison, Joe Biden and Boris Johnson, Australia elevated its relationships with the US and Britain to pool their efforts on the most important next-generation warfighting technologies. This so-called “trilateral security partnership” is to be known as AUKUS. In some ways this was mildly comical. The Dad’s Army Anglophone allies who fought together in World War II getting back together for one more fight, led by an American President who forgot Scott Morrison’s name at the critical moment – “that fella down under”, he improvised, “I appreciate you, pal” – in their joint video appearance on Thursday.

The three amigos – an Aussie marketing huckster, an English buffoon and an American senior citizen. Fresh from being chased out of Afghanistan and humiliated by barbarian terrorists they’d set out to defeat 20 years earlier. Their marquee initiative – for Washington and London to supply nuclear propulsion technology for Australian submarines – is serious. But Canberra has no ability to make use of it in a deployable submarine for at least another 20 years. What’s the point of giving an engine to someone without a car? In embracing AUKUS, Australia tore up its $90 billion deal with France for the supply of 12 conventionally powered submarines. Meaning that, from Thursday, Australia has no arrangements with anyone to supply any new submarines whatsoever.

China has 66 submarines. It’s expected to have 10 more by 2030. Six of those new boats will be nuclear-powered, according to the US Office of Naval Intelligence. In the time it takes China to build 10 new submarines, Australia will be taking delivery of exactly none.

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  • #87497
    Bill7
    Participant

    Liberal ten-percenters to the rest of us: “you proles need to become obedient technofeudal slaves so we the Few can be free!”

    pass

    #87499
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    [Trying again with only one link]

    sumac.carol: “…in Canada is the fact that it is non- vaccinated who are absolutely overwhelmingly getting sick enough to end up in hospital.”y

    I looked at Ontario’s data, which is well detailed in some aspects (but is missing details in some other aspects). They tend to make comparisons dating back to the beginning of the pandemic, but by using the Wayback Machine, it’s possible to get the results for the most recent months by looking at the difference between numbers from a couple different report dates.

    Using Ontario government data, from July 10 to Sept 4, 2021, the “no-vaxx” cases were around 2/3 of the confirmed cases, while “vaxxed” cases were around a third of the confirmed cases.

    I use “no-vaxx” to mean just that, no vaxx injections have been given, while “vaxxed” means at least one vaxx injection has been given. (Unlike the governments which tend to only report “fully vaccinated” in their “vaccinated” data, meaning at least 14 days after the second injection.)

    Ontario breaks it down somewhat with a “partially vaccinated” category, but anyone with less than 14 days after the first injection is lumped in with the “unvaccinated”. Looking at the hospitalization data which Ontario reports, it’s impossible to tell how many of the so-called “unvaccinated” are actually people who tested positive within 14 days after getting the first injection. So the data being reported is incomplete, and the presentation is skewed to fit the narrative.

    Ontario total Covid-19 cases
    as of Sept 4: 569,633
    as of July 10: 547,149
    difference = 22,484 Covid-19 cases between July 10 – Sept 4

    Ontario “Vaxxed” cases
    as of Sept 4: 44,009
    as of July 10: 36,652
    difference = 7,357 “Vaxxed” cases between July 10 – Sept 4

    Ontario “No-Vaxx” cases
    22,484 Covid-19 cases between July 10 – Sept 4
    minus (7,357 “Vaxxed” cases between July 10 – Sept 4)
    = 15,127 “No-Vaxx” cases between July 10 – Sept 4

    where
    “Vaxx” = at least one injection before becoming a case
    “No-Vaxx” = no injections before becoming a case

    Confirmed Cases of COVID-19 Following Vaccination in Ontario: December 14, 2020 to September 4, 2021
    https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-epi-confirmed-cases-post-vaccination.pdf?la=en

    #87500
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    [continued from above, second link]

    Confirmed Cases of COVID-19 Following Vaccination in Ontario: December 14, 2020 to July 10, 2021
    https://web.archive.org/web/20210801195918/https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-epi-confirmed-cases-post-vaccination.pdf?la=en

    #87501
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    The culling will not be televised nor will many of the adverse events be logged or televised.

    The requirement to receive the culling injections will be advertised for your protection, the protection of others and the benefit of the world.

    Any attempt to counter the narrative will be crushed, disallowed and result in losing your job or worse if you persist.

    Remember this is all required to combat a pandemic that had a population survival rate greater than 99% but it seems the goal of the powers that be is the culling of western world population receiving the mRNA injections. No more pensions to pay, no more free medical for the governments to pay for and so many assets to acquire

    Sad times that we live in

    #87502
    Maxwell Quest
    Participant

    I finally got to finish the Deborah Conrad interview that @germ posted. We had our first good rain in the NW last night, and I was called away firstly to cut up a fallen tree, and secondly to document and report a roof leak for the widow across the street.

    I thought the interview was well done, and Deborah came off as one of those rare individuals that labor for the good of others at her own expense. Basically, a saint. I couldn’t help noticing the little grin that would creep across her face whenever she ventured onto material that she knew was controversial. A form of embarrassment for expressing thoughts that she knows are unacceptable to the authorities.

    Her telephone conversations with hospital administration staff were revealing. Note how they keep steering the conversation back to “the organization” and the “prime directive” coming down from above. As middle managers, their focus is on everything but the patient. It’s on “the procedures”, “the process”, “towing the line”. I can tell you that the focus of the top administrators is on their next career move and stock options.

    I tend to question myself a lot. This is mostly due to being a blockhead. A particular theme has been playing in my mind the past few days whenever I make a mental review of the Covid drama, questioning if I went off the trail somewhere. You’ve seen it on TAE before: “If this is all due to human incompetence, why do all the errors point in the same direction, where pushing the vaccine is the highest priority?” Everything that is contrary to this goal is targeted and squashed. There is nothing “random” about it, the signal-to-noise ratio is huge, a large peak that smells to high heaven, driven from a supra-national level, planned and orchestrated.

    Look, folks, this is simple. If you want to stay safe from Covid all you have to do is get the Covid vaccine. When they tell you to get the booster, you get the booster. When they tell you to show your Vaccine Passport, you show your Vaccine Passport. When they tell you to report your unvaxxed neighbors, you report your unvaxxed neighbors. When they tell you to get into the boxcar, you get into the fucking boxcar. Why in the hell is this so difficult to understand, people?!

    #87503
    Bill7
    Participant

    Thanks for that comment, MQ. Yes, a number of us have noticed that the “incompetence”
    unfailingly benefits the Few.

    odd.

    #87504
    Bill7
    Participant

    deleted.

    #87505
    ezlxa1949
    Participant

    The chief minister of the Australian Capital Territory (ACT), site of the city of Canberra where I live, has said that he is reluctant to start a passport vaccination system because it would be discriminatory and unfair. This is encouraging, unlike Victoria which seems pleased to starve the unvaxxed into compliance.

    OTOH, I wonder what pressures will be brought to bear on him to change his mind?

    The most-afflicted states, NSW and Victoria, are tired of the restrictions and consequent huge economic damage, and want them gone, and this includes the various levels of government. Naturally, being convinced that vaccination is the only way out, they are enthusiastically promoting the campaigns, dangling before us the carrot of freedom-if-we-reach- 80%-or-so!

    I presume we go through this rigmarole all over again in 6 months’ time. And 12 months. And 18 months…

    #87506
    John Day
    Participant

    I’m interested in the UN happenings this Wednesday.
    Maybe the script will change; maybe not…
    Bolsonaro of Brazil gives opening remarks. Bolsonaro had COVID and advocates Ivermectin and HCQ.
    He says he’s not vaccinated and won’t get vaccinated, and try to stop him from attending.
    NYC is trying to get vaccinated (Sputnik et. al.) Russians to take a J&J shot for compliance before entering. That’s sort of embarrassing for New York, but deBlasio is unfazed and anti-Russian.
    Biden will be physically there and will hold something like an emergency Event-201 adjustment, supported by Build Back Better and friends.
    The intent is to get most of the unvaccinated poor people in the world vaccinated this year.
    Somebody will pay for it. What could go wrong?
    Will there be a revolt, or a redirection among the global elites?
    There are numerous factions.
    They must see that blaming the unvaccinated for the ADE backfire from the vaccines is failing, and they need to get another grip on a narrative that is not quite the opposite of reality.
    I dunno….
    Also, Thanks Doc Robinson for good research and presentation of some pivotal findings, and for looking up Texas stories Thursday night.

    #87507
    ezlxa1949
    Participant

    vivarta,

    Thanks for linking to those articles in the Indian media. I’d been after such reports for a while and couldn’t find them!

    #87508
    ezlxa1949
    Participant

    A non-vaccine comment: this astounding new tripartite anti-China alliance rejoices in the acronym of AUKUS. The Great Auk is an extinct bird. How long before the Great AUKUS follows suit?

    #87509
    those darned kids
    Participant

    usuka is better, ’cause you suckas’ gonna pay for it.

    #87510
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    As they’ve pointed out – thanks to US, who keep allowing this s—t – there are no three branches of government, or four. The Legislative does not pass laws, it enforces them, like Nancy Pelosi. The House of the people does not pass budgets with the purse strings, they look for budgets from Presidents. Executive Presidents do not enforce laws, or at least not most of them, against most people. However, they do enact laws, merely by decree. The Judicial also creates laws, however they uncreate them again tomorrow, at will. Or both. Courts disagree with each other more or less nationwide. Should the President decree laws, the court then upholds the process, erasing the legislatures, or not, someday maybe 10 years from now when it gets to USSC, as they feel like.

    Oh also corporations are people and have rights, but people are NOT people and have rights, unless they’re NOT a citizen, in which case they have super-rights.

    The fourth branch, the Media: no comment necessary. They are not a branch of government, but a branch of corporate power, just like the federal government is. None of them are branches or expressions of the people, which can only happen with fierce and illegal monopoly, access, bailout, and violent repression at every level, especially speech and choice, directly via the guns of government, FBI, DoJ, CIA, IRS, and ultimately, US Army, and is expressly why those branches are generally illegal according to Federal Law register No. 1, as is having a standing army outside of declared war.

    And you’re going to fix all this? Really? Arrest somebody? Vote somebody in? Sure: if you vote in somebody to disband D.C. and let them collapse to a town of 6,000, in the ruins of the Potomac, like Rome did. Outside of them ceasing to exist, it’s not going to change.

    Everything you mentioned is legal under Emergency Powers, which could be rescinded overnight by one honest, truly AMERICAN POTUS ~ This is one of the reasons the #derpswamp freaked out on the populist uprising that put Trump in office, although neither was aware of their true power…

    Of course it would require nothing less than generational revolution + education regarding the original charter of the USofA, without a unified culture it is totally impossible.

    The TPTB have since WWII utterly destroyed any chances for a return to normalcy, creating in its wake generations of self-absorbed low IQ subhumans that hate AMERICA, & by extension themselves.

    There is presently nothing & no one threatening TPTBs’ ongoing rape, pillage, plunder & murder for profit enterprise(s), hell most go along willingly for crumbs from the masters’ tables…

    P.S. Ain’t afraid of nothing. What would I be afraid of? A virus that kills no one, and a vaccine that kills no one, with medical enforcement nobody’s following? I am pretty annoyed though.

    A vaccine that kills no one, do you really believe that?

    America Has Given Millions for ‘Research’ At Chinese Communist-Run Facilities Since COVID Outbreak.

    America Has Given Millions for ‘Research’ At Chinese Communist-Run Facilities Since COVID Outbreak.

    #87511
    russellnblbs
    Participant

    @ezlxa the oz defence announcement is just hilarious. To think we are at all an independent country. Our flag says it all.

    #87512
    zerosum
    Participant

    Capitol Hill prepared for war.
    Nobody showed up.
    There is you example to win and change the social/economic systems.
    Democracy with NO profit.

    #87513
    Tree Frog
    Participant

    From Michael Reid…. “If it was it would be on the news.” Bottomless naivete. Tragic.

    #87514
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-severe-outcomes-covid-vaccination-1.6178449
    Going back to rates of hospitalization for the unvaxed: here is an analysis for Alberta. This way of presenting the data accounts for the proportion of the population that is vaccinated versus unvaccinated. While unvaccinated make up 32 percent of the total population (including children who cannot be vaccinated and are unlikely to get severely ill), they make up 74 percent of hospitalizations.
    I have difficulty understanding why it is incorrect to include as unvaccinated those who received their vaccination less than 2weeks prior to falling ill, since it is my understanding that full immunity takes 2 weeks to achieve.

    On to Russia, where vaccination rates are still low, but daily new deaths have been higher over the past month than they were fir the whole rest of the pandemic. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/

    How does this fit with what’s happening in Israel and the explanation provided that vaccination is causing high rates of illness when apparently Fussia, with its low rate of vaccination, also has a serious problem with covid?

    These kinds of inconsistencies seem to come up frequently and make me think that there are pieces of this story that we don’t fully understand.

    #87515
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    More on the province of Alberta, that tried to be the Texas of Canada. The provincial premier opened everything up early, and then all hell broke loose. Now he has publicly apologized for mishandling covid and is in line with the other provinces, using all the same policies (vaccine passports etc). This premier absolutely did not want to go this route but the situation became so dire that he had little choice.
    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6181219

    #87516
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    Just to clarify: I am no vaccine fan, but I have trouble making sense of what’s happening in different places and sometimes it seems to me that the explanations provided for what is happening in one region do not hold water when you look at what is happening in another region.
    PS Alberta’s vaccination rate (at least one dose) was at 67 percent compared to Ontario’s 75 percent. It just went up hugely from this rate when vaccine passports were rolled out.

    #87517
    chooch
    Participant

    Test

    #87518
    chooch
    Participant

    That was just a test

    #87519
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    sumac.carol: “I have difficulty understanding why it is incorrect to include as unvaccinated those who received their vaccination less than 2weeks prior to falling ill, since it is my understanding that full immunity takes 2 weeks to achieve.”

    People who get an injection of a vaccine are arguably closer to being vaccinated than unvaccinated. The vaccine is affecting their immune systems and physiology. Also, since the Covid vax can make a person more susceptible to coming down with a Covid infection during those initial 2 weeks before a sufficient immune response is achieved (more susceptible than if the person had remained unvaxxed), then it seems unreasonable (to me) to count such an infection (after a vaccine injection) the same as an “unvaccinated” infection.

    However, there’s no universal way to categorize and count cases. At least the reported data from Ontario has a separate category for “partially vaccinated”, and they make it clear that they add the one-shot cases (within 14 days) to the “unvaccinated” numbers. Some other government sources don’t disclose and break it down like this in their published data, so the skewing remains hidden.

    #87521
    Boogaloo
    Participant

    @sumac.carol

    Perhaps an important variable is timing. I read that Canada got a late start on its vaccination drive, with only 3% fully vaccinated as of beginning of May. Then Canada suddenly zoomed up near the top of the list. So it may be the case that you are still in the sweet spot of vaccine effectiveness. Once you get six months out from reaching 70% fully vaccinated, when vaccine effectiveness plummets (and ADE possibly kicks in), the numbers may reverse.

    #87522
    citizenx
    Participant

    @sumac.carol

    …since it is my understanding that full immunity takes 2 weeks to achieve.

    That’s some slippery linguistic logic sly sumac… are you referring to 1st full immunity after your two shots? Or the newly accepted 2nd “full immunity” after your two shots and a booster?

    Full immunity from what? I’m becoming immune to bullshit with no vaccine jab required.

    #87552
    Noirette
    Participant

    Biden’s address to the UN Assembly next week in NY is mentioned in the top post. See John Day post above also.

    Here is some of what I have heard / gathered, from Switz.

    The UN-NY building only admits ppl under strict COV related rules, conditions.

    One has to be double-vaxxed, by approved US_EU vaxxes, no Russian or Chinese vax is on the list (> CDC vax rules, see link) though that is not made public. (There might be some exceptions for ppl tested NEG but I have not heard or read anything in that line. Or the UN list might be more inclusive, but all I heard say not so.)

    Reuters article describes some of the ‘strife’ in a very down-played way:

    https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/vaccinated-mr-president-new-york-wants-proof-un-chief-cannot-enforce-2021-09-15/

    Ergo, only US – 5 eyes – Isr – EU – other hangers-on will be ‘automaticilly approved’ personae at this Event. Others will not come, send vids. or whatever. Some might even be refused entry, though I reckon by now ppl know not to go the US, even if they are high-level delegates, diplomats.

    Just my far away-take — the Rona Rules can change from one day to the next and favored ppl can by-pass them.

    To the point: We see here the death throes of the UN. Zone 2 (as it is commonly called, i.e. China, Russia, Iran, Syria, and others, now Afghanistan added) will slowly abandon and ignore it, not blatantly of course.

    Here a faithful employee taking a tour of the phase 1 Covid protection moves at the NY UN building, to give a feel, photos (couldn’t find more recent):

    https://www.un.org/pt/node/86846

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines.html

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