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    Edward Hopper Cat boat 1922   • What’s Next? (Helmholtz Smith) • Ex-Polish FM Names Two Major Ukrainian Problems (RT) • Neutrality and Peaceful M
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle January 29 2023]


    “What actions will you take to ensure that our military equipment is not falling into the hands of criminal networks, terrorists, or being sold for profit?”

    Afghanistan has so much US military equipment that the Ukraine stock will make a difference? I doubt it, the USA do not care about their equipment, the job is to steal all the way to the bank.

    TAE Summary

    A Tale of Two Presidents: Biden vs. Trump

    * Biden is a Great President and Trump was an Awful President

    – Biden
    Appointed a diverse cabinet
    Signed executive orders addressing systemic racism and discrimination
    Passed the infrastructure bill to repair roads and bridges and improve internet access
    Reduced the deficit
    Led NATO in its support of Ukraine and opposition to Vladimir Putin
    Lowered the child poverty rate by increasing the tax credit for children
    Launched a program to protect earth from killer asteroids
    Officially recognized Turkish genocide of Armenians in 1915
    Sidelined the court-packing movement of the left
    Stepped up US support for Taiwan
    Announced a historic trilateral security agreement with Australia and Britain to counter Chinese hegemony
    Accelerate Covid vaccine delivery at home an abroad
    Improved the American economy by championing competition and reining in the power of big business which helped create millions of jobs
    Gave Medicare the power to negotiate drug prices and made the price of things like insulin and hearing aids cheaper
    Attacked hunger and fostered better nutrition in the US
    Funded opioid recovery programs
    Eliminated the statute of limitations for child sex abuse
    Tried to reform student loans
    Issued important cybersecurity regulations
    Chose humanity over politics when getting Brittney Griner released

    Colluded with the Russians to get elected in 2016
    Appointed unqualified family members to important positions in his administration
    Tried to ban TikTok
    Withdrew the US from the Paris Climate Accords
    Increased the deficit every year of his presidency
    Approved the Keystone Pipeline through native lands
    Disallowed transgender students from using the bathroom of their choice
    Attacked John McCain as a loser
    Ended curbs on auto emissions
    Cracked down on legal immigrants
    Impeded regulation against toxic chemicals
    Shrank the food safety net so that over 700K Americans lost their access to food stamps
    Suggested vaccines cause autism
    Accused Barack Obama of spying on his campaign
    Cut corporate taxes to the lowest level since 1939
    Oversaw the longest government shutdown in US history
    Acted as a racist and xenophobe when he implemented a travel ban from Muslim countries, blamed the Chinese for Covid, separated families at the US border, tried to build a wall between the US and Mexico and gave racist speeches
    Tried to repeal the Affordable Care Act which would have left millions without healthcare
    Inadequately responded to Covid, downplaying the dangers
    Use his influence as president to try to get Ukraine to provide damaging narratives about his political opponent
    Challenged the outcome of the 2020 election undermining democratic institutions and the public’s trust in elections which led to the events of January 6th and the deaths of 5 people

    * Trump was a Great President and Biden is an Awful President

    – Trump
    Negotiated three Arab-Israeli peace accords
    Fostered a strong economy and stock market by signing into to law the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act and other policies
    Started the Space Force
    Attempted the first Defense Department wide audit
    Cracked down on unwanted robo-calls
    Attempted to build a wall on the border with Mexico to stop illegal immigration
    Helped American farmers with billions of dollars in aid
    Tried to fix health technology by removing rules blocking the sharing of medical information
    Rescinded rules for federal contractors that protected them from sexual harassment claims
    Made it easier to prosecute financial crimes like money laundering
    Renegotiated trade deals with Mexico, Canada and China which benefitted American workers and businesses
    Appointed three Supreme Court justices and many other conservative judges to federal courts leading to pro-Constitutional decisions like the overturning of Roe
    Passed the VA MISSION Act which improved healthcare access and services for veterans
    Oversaw the defeat of the Islamic State’s territorial caliphate in Syria and Iraq
    Kept us out of war
    Signed executive orders and laws combating human trafficking

    Opened the borders to illegal immigrants
    Discharged thousands of troops for refusing the Covid vaccine
    Opposed efforts to stop biological males from competing in women’s sports
    Lied about border patrol agents whipping migrants
    Claimed that January 6th rioters were a bigger threat to democracy than Confederates in the Civil War
    Described terrorism from white supremacy as the most lethal threat to the US
    Oversaw the disastrous withdrawal of American troops for Afghanistan
    Mis-handled the response to Covid mandating vaccines and dividing the nation on the basis of vaccination status
    Supported lockdowns and other pandemic polices which damaged the supply chain and the world economy
    Supported violent protesters instead of the police during the BLM riots
    Lied about Hunter’s laptop saying it was Russain disinformation
    Stated that election reform in the new Jim Crow
    Suppressed first amendment rights by influencing policies of social media outlets
    Supported the war in Ukraine and vilified Russia as our enemy
    Blocked American energy production
    Illegally attempted to forgive student loans
    Printed massive amounts of money causing massive inflation

    Dr. D

    “Once the second-largest economy in the Soviet Union, Ukraine was Europe’s poorest country by per-capita GDP as of 2020.”

    Note the advantages, resources, and legacy talents listed they started with. So that can only happen due to corruption and extraction. As Congo, one of the world’s richest nations, vs Japan, one of the poorest. What is the difference? PROPERTY RIGHTS. That is, the law is functional and fair, ie. not “Corrupt”. That’s what “Corruption” generally means: it means stealing other people’s stuff, it means no property rights.

    “Switzerland has been neutral since the year 1815.”

    Not anymore. They have demonstrated remarkable non-neutrality in Ukraine and can no longer be a broker for peace, or even money. How low did you go when Turkey is now considered more credible? Stop immediately: we noticed.

    “• Air Force General Predicts War with China in 2025 (NBC)”

    It will be the world’s shortest war. We’d have to air-lift 100% of everything 5,000 miles to theatre.

    China is the size of the United States. Are we planning on occupying it? They can’t even occupy Cleveland. The police and National Guard are being beaten by cross-dressers in Atlanta.

    “NATO is going to respond only if Russia crosses the red line by invading one of NATO member states.”

    Really? Because that’s not what sending tanks, mid-range missiles, sinking the flagship and blow up their pipeline says. Sounds to me like it wasn’t Russia that crossed the Red Line.

    “once the Third World War breaks out, … Then everything will definitely be turned to dust,”

    Yes, but that’s reality, and the West is incapable of comprehending that. They think this is “Call of Duty”.

    “ • White House Confronted over Tanks to Ukraine (RT)”

    You mean the tanks that Biden said would start WWIII? Those tanks? Well at least unlike Hillary, he didn’t promise to start WWIII BEFORE being elected. Like Bush he said he wouldn’t.

    Speaking of:
    What fresh hell is this? The mere 31 Abrams they are sending to start WWIII don’t have any armor?

    And I thought the useless signaling and illogic of the West had reached a high tide. Not yet I guess. So…tanks without armor. And perhaps without shells. (as international dirty bombs, a nuclear attack on Russian territory). What does Russia have in mind for a tank with no armor?

    “Marker,” a new robo-tank, will be able to ‘destroy Western tanks, including American Abrams and German Leopards.’ 

    Rogozin explained the robot tank automatically recognizes and attacks Ukrainian equipment, including NATO tanks, all because of its artificial intelligence system and machine learning technology. 
    “The combat version of the Marker robot has an electronic catalog in the control system that contains images of targets both in the visible and in the infrared range,” he said.
    The director of the Air Defense Museum, retired colonel Yuri Knutov, told Lenta.Ru, a Russian newspaper, “the robot can thus identify NATO-made tanks” and will be “armed with a machine gun and an anti-tank missile with a range of up to about six kilometers.” 

    So they really are testing new weapons. We are sending harmless, unarmed drones for Russia to practice fire on. Russians killed = zero.

    Oh and “F the EU” Nuland essentially said we blew up NordStream II. Mystery solved. Because, as the German Minister said, “We’re all at war with Russia.” Can’t these guys ever shut up?

    Britain ‘Modeling Cyber Strikes’ on Russian Infrastructure – Moscow (RT) “

    They are high. As far as I can tell one of these two countries is run completely via the internet with wi-fi attached substations, power plants and controls. The other is Russia, which isn’t, and being “backward” still does a lot/most things manually, off the grid, by having a guy drive out to the substation in a truck. Are you planning on hacking his Kamaz? Controlling his sneakers?

    I’m not saying Britain can’t hack stuff and make a mess, surely they can, but Britain is 100x more vulnerable to each attack they open a front on. Cell phones, gas lines, power grids, internets, airports… Why would you attack where you yourself are weak? Also why wouldn’t you harden your home front when you are clearly planning an aggressive war against an equal power for decades?

    They haven’t the brains of a sea slug, and history is not kind to such glue-sniffing, nepotistic, trust-fund retards. Soros and Murdock and Bush kids: lookin’ at you.

    “Mozart Group Trains Ukrainians to ‘Kill Russians’ – Founder (RT)”

    Yes, but to be fair, all NGOs, like Democracy Now and Amnesty International, Sans Fronteirs and the ADL/ACLU exist to kill people. Killing people is good, don’t you know.

    “Zuckerberg-Funded “Non-Profit” Gears Up for 2024 Elections (GP)”

    NGOs that kill people. They are starting a U.S. Civil War as we speak. One far more deadly than the 20,000 killed per afternoon 200 years ago. That’s #Love. And #Caring. #AllLivesMatter. Oh wait: don’t they hate that phrase and anyone who says or thinks it is their enemy?

    Dr. D

    (Cut as blocked for too many links)

    Deep Green Resistance, the authors Lierre Keith, Derrick Jensen and Aric McBay state that civilization, particularly industrial civilization, is fundamentally unsustainable”

    Sounds like Marx. In that he’s not wrong: it is unstable AND unsustainable. And choosing paper over plastic and driving a Prius is NOT enough. In fact it’s an insult, development and increasing GDP by another name. But after that everything he says goes off the rails.

    As I said, he should talk to more Sci-fi people. I’m sure I read dozens of successful prospective ecological cultures in Issac Asimov’s Science Fiction Anthology (and girly pinup) Magazine.

    Maybe this is part of the Cult of Progress, that scion or twin of the belief in Evolution, that we’re on a direct line from mud slime to the stars. (Aka a religion) It’s called “teleology”. And when you believe in teleology, you get the reverse, the totally, completely WRONG notion that going into the past is a straight line into violence, poverty, and neanderthals. Forgetting that the top performers of the 1920s were gay black men and women. Hey, what was that about rights? About non-acceptance? That it only runs in one direction? Women the same, it comes and goes. High in the 20s, low in the 50s, high and low in the Middle Ages, high and low in the Viking ages, high and low in the Roman ages. So what is this with straight line history?

    And Rome, boy were those guys straight-line less capable than us AND more intolerant of gays and other cultures than 1970 or what? Wait: not? Then how do we have straight-line evolution and progress from the oppressive “Christians” the oppressive “Romans” the oppressive, backward “Fill in the blank totally uneducated stereotype whipping boy here.” China? More educated. Mayans? More educated. African Empires? More educated. Hey, how far back in history are we going here?

    What was this?

    Dr. D

    How far back are we going? How about Rome’s Barbegal mills for a lark? 5 tones of flour a day for enough bread for 40,000 people in Arles. The size of General Mills in Minnesota. There’s probably far larger all over but they’re most likely buried under a city like Naples, where you can tour the whole Roman city that still down there, 50 feet below. You know, Roman noodle bars, Roman dry cleaning, Roman supermarkets, Roman tourist trinkets from Asia, Russia, and Scotland, Roman beer.
    Roman Aquifers 10-40 stories high. Roman waterworks 100 miles long.


    Dr. D

    Tivoli Gardens and Hadrian’s Villa.
    Entire book on extensive gardens in Rome.

    10,000 sq ft mansions with heated, tiled floors in YORKSHIRE.

    Just some goofing off. Can’t you see how primitive they were and wore mud and sticks? Ate bugs and bark?

    Dr. D

    How about Greece, which was said to be even higher? They had steam-powered robots and antikytheria machines:

    Sitting around in marble pillars and open gardens all day ‘cause that had that eating thing covered. Traveling 1,000 miles on a “Bus” on a lark. Remember Jonah and the Whale from Jaffa to Tarshish? A one-way ticket window on the Mediterranean Express from Tel Aviv to Cornwall or Spain? Yeah, they did that all the time; ask an archeologist.

    Where am I going? Because they believe in Progress, they believe the only way to go backward is to go back to eating mud, chasing mammoths and living in caves. BECAUSE THEY’RE IGNORANT. Completely retarded. Now you’d think a schmartz guy like Jensen and 10,000 of his professorial ilk might run across some of this while they’re quoting Jared Diamond and Spengler. While they’re social-justicing about Africa being equal. About the lost wonders of the “in tune with the earth” Mayans and Toltecs. Nope. To them history is a straight line. Because they are so INTENSELY, PAINFULLY ignorant. The only way to go back is a straight line in exclusively Western history. Teleology. One that somehow alsoignores Greece and Rome??? Despite that nearly every other culture on earth was more in balance than ours, and quite often more accepting, more open, more “progressive” the only way to get into tune is to leapfrog OVER all that history, with golden cities popping up in China, the Silk Road, Sheba, Ashanti, Olmec, Machu Picchu, Ur, Babylon, Varanasi, Kailashnash, Khajuraho, Horyuji, (Feel free to Google Image all these names)

    Dr. D


    1200 Years Old Temple That Was Carved Out Of One Rock

    But OTHER than that, we have NO CHOICE but to live in caves, chase mammoths and eat mud. Anything else is just impossible. I mean, what have the Romans ever done for us?

    See how these two are intertwined? Not fluent in WEIRDo, when somebody says “The past” I think, gosh, the tribes here seemed to have a far better time of it, if we had their ethos and our technology we could probably create a “Wakanda” or something. At least an Athens or Kyoto. I mean, they didn’t have fossil fuels, right? And the estimated population numbers in the Amazon gardens and (Aztec) Mexico city keep doubling every few years. Now up to millions, 10-100x the size of London over the same eras. Same in Africa, same in China.

    Yet our ONLY option is to reverse into London, first 1800, then 1600, then 10AD then to mud huts and goat skins. Although Greeks were partying in marble gardens even 5,000 years earlier, and Gobekli Tepe 5,000 years before that. But we just CAN’T. Don’t you understand?

    Dr. D

    What a waste of imagination.

    Do you see why I get so frustrated with their straight-line thinking and closed-minded zealotry? Okay, you want to go back 5,000 years? Sold. Make it like Greece or Thailand, hanging around in Star Trek togas with a wine Mai tai in a blown glass goblet. Rich cities, sculptors, architects, fruit markets, not a fossil fuel in sight. You know why we “Just Can’t”? “There Is No Alternative” it’s either the stars on SpaceX or back to caves? Because these guys are SO dumb. It MUST be pain, punishment. Calvin’s new Protestantism of Ecology said so. Where did they air drop this from, ‘cause it ain’t in history.

    It never occurred to them to read a book or ask anybody. WE are the greatest, most progressed people ever, and you will have no peoples before me. No one ever did, thought or built anything before 1964. Anything different from that one Jetson UniFuture™ just has to be Collapse™, McCarthy’s On the Road. TINA: There Is No Alternative. (For deeply, woefully, inexperienced and uneducated people who won’t ask.)

    Can we at least TALK about having something nice now?

    Wrote on this yesterday as well.


    OPPPS! …. my mistake…… My comment, were put in the wrong place.

    Words of wisdom.
    Live and let live.

    Above my paygrade.
    Fact or fiction.
    Don’t know, should I care? @Gem
    Full breakout of Excess Non-Covid Natural Cause Mortality per CDC-Wonder (applied to MMWR Wk 2 2023) – post-Vax inflection (wk 14 2021):

    E-NCNCM = 540 K or 18.9% Excess
    Blood Clotting Disorders = 56%

    Top risers:
    1. Heart/Circulatory
    2. Blood/Blood-Forming
    3. Cancer
    TAE showed you the way.
    Do you care? Are you interested? Take the next step
    Read more …

    • What’s Next? (Helmholtz Smith)
    28 January 2023 by HELMHOLTZ SMITH 128 Comments
    Changed his mind
    • Bill Gates Trashes Effectiveness of COVID Vaccines (CHD)

    “Preparing for Global Challenges: In Conversation with Bill Gates,”

    John Day

    Oopsies on Dr. D’s birthday.
    He implied it was in 1954, from which I calculated his ae as 68-69.
    I accidentally typed in my own year of birth, 1958.
    Yep, I’m just 64, going on 65, not 68 or 69.
    I was thinking to include that, but I left it off, until now…

    Who is “most intelligent”?
    Intelligence is the ability to be effective in a certain setting. Chimps are highly intelligent in the jungle, where I would eventually die. Octopi are really, really smart in the water.

    Whoever receives value from a commenter or a post receives that value. That person’s receipt of value defines that situation of intelligence in the transfer of useful conceptual framework for the information we are all steeped in recently.

    It’s the same as beauty being in the eye of the beholder, as we experience with the art photos.


    @ Dr. D
    Great rant. Loved it.
    I would not go back.
    The odds would be that it would be MY energy that would be used to create those wonders of those societies for the elites to enjoy.
    I think that I’ve got it better. No pain.


    “The recommendation is that future COVID-19 vaccines should be interchangeable: no matter whether you’re getting your first dose or a booster, the vaccines would all have the same formulation targeting the same viral strain or strains, regardless of the manufacturer. The vote was unanimous: 21-0.”




    Fatal heart attacks have surged in Australia. Here’s why

    hey presto we get an increase of cardiovascular events.” – Hey presto – That’s Science!!

    Never the death vaxx. NEVER. EVER!



    Here’s why – dummies!


    “We present a case of ventricular tachycardia (VT) storm in a young healthy man following the 2nd dose of COVID-19 vaccination in the absence of underlying structural heart disease, myocarditis or arrhythmic syndromes.”



    Or this:

    Fulminant Myocarditis and Acute Appendicitis after COVID-19 Vaccination: A Case Report

    “…hospitalized for cardiogenic shock 28 days after receiving a second dose of the COVID-19 mRNA-1273 vaccine”



    A must listen:


    D Benton Smith

    So the situation in Ukraine seems to be that Russia has no choice but to go on winning until it has won, and the US NATO gang has no option other than losing.


    Dr. D a little thought for today. Government employment by state and district ranges from a low of 10% to the high in D.C of 25%. Did not derive a mean by calculation i will just use 17.5% for example. Each employee in the government sector has a ripple in the environment. Statista has a daily interaction per connected individual of 4785 per day by 2025. I admit i roll my eyes at that number but that would suffice for an upper bound in the ripple. In each case the standard of living of communities with a larger percentage of government employment will have more incentive to maintain the status quo. Upton Sinclair was pretty forward in his assessment of men keeping their job.


    On ‘war’ (cough, gag, cough) with Russia

    “..They can’t even occupy Cleveland. The police and National Guard are being beaten by cross-dressers in Atlanta….”

    Hey, I use to live in Cleveland

    Burn on Big River Burn On


    What’s next, by Helmholtz Smith at top post.

    This grinding away can continue until Ukraine collapses because it is easier for the Russians to let the enemy come to them than go after them. Meanwhile Russian missiles destroy the infrastructure Kiev needs to continue the war. Time and developments favor Russia and there is no incentive to make “big arrow” movements.

    Right on. Nothing more is needed than to let the “W” send in useless arms to Ukr. ( .. > training for operation, logistics, long term capacities, etc. all moot), thus ‘disarming’ NATO countries slowly, including abetting them in killing ppl… to the last Ukrainian!

    The Russians have perfect rationales for the endless massacre in Ukr.. defending ‘ethnics’ against “W” Agression..

    The result of this proxy war will be the total destruction of Ukraine and its ppl, which nobody cares about.

    Except. Tangentially, such as the Russians for the inhabitants of the Donbass (ostensibly..) and perhaps some Corps and vultures who would like to exploit the land and would prefer some kind of rapid ‘peace’ to be able to move in and get biz going.

    Formerly T-Bear

    It is starting to look like the D-Day Clock has closed to 45 seconds to midnight since it was last reset. Without careful considerations being made, the world is about to experience a more profound change than that experienced in the entry days of World War I, where six empires either expired or were severely damaged beyond repair. The collective West need heed history if it is to survive, the hand it holds wins nothing, and as per usual, those playing the hand should stay away from any poker table to preserve their fortunes. Empire, so Nineteenth Century.


    A picture is worth a thousand words







    Maxwell Quest

    Pharma Profits


    On Are you really against fossil fuels, read this.

    -> at top post.

    The “W” or in F. l’Occident (Usuk, poodle EU, and occupied Japan, + other) has become mired in, and dependent on, a Rovian screed, either hopefully (the innocents) or cynically, claiming, we make our own reality.

    Performatives, aka declarations about what is (as wished, or supposed to be), which ignore reality on the ground, have become not only common but a staple prop. ploy.


    Big Brother’s war on Eurasia is already lost. But it is existential for Big Brother, so Big Brother will force Oceania to fight on.

    Meanwhile, on the home-front, Big Brother’s war on Proles of Oceania and Big Brother’s War on the Future also continue. Those are wars Big Brother will win. Already has, in fact.

    Bad as the latest round of catastrophe caused by overheated seas and oceans, caused by highly elevated atmospheric CO2 (up by around 50% from pre-industrial level) is, it is just the start.

    ‘The extraordinary flood event Auckland experienced on the night of January 27, the eve of the city’s anniversary weekend, was caused by rainfall that was literally off the chart.

    Over 24 hours, 249mm of rain fell – well above the previous record of 161.8mm. A state of emergency was declared late in the evening.

    It has taken a terrible toll on Aucklanders, with three people confirmed dead and one more missing. Damage to houses, cars, roads and infrastructure will run into many millions of dollars.

    Watching the images roll into social media on Friday evening, I thought to myself that I’ve seen these kinds of pictures before. But usually they’re from North America or Asia, or maybe Europe. But this was New Zealand’s largest city. Nowhere is safe from extreme weather these days.’

    Needless to say, the scams Big Brother is operating -carbon trading, electric cars, ‘renewable energy’ etc.- all make matters worse. Indeed, everything Big Brother does makes matters worse. But Big Brother is not going to stop. The plan is: more of the same. More lies; more fraud, more propaganda; more censorship, more tyranny; more death and destruction. It’s called ‘freedom and democracy’ and ‘kindness’.

    Interestingly, and not unsurprisingly, now that The Scorpion has left the office, Crazy Chipmunk is attempting to distance himself from policies he fully endorsed as a co-conspirator in The Scorpion’s ‘team’.

    Sleepy Camel is still asleep. Will probably remain asleep until replaced. Then it will take a rest and collect its bonus. And take another rest -a bit like the Harris thing on Airstrip Two.

    Nowhere is safe from the predations of Big Brother. But some places are safer than others.


    I don’t really know what to think about any of this. Is anyone else totally confused? You all seem so confident and sure of yourselves. I like Derrick Jensen, he has an incredible mind, although I don’t agree with everything he says, and yes, I also think he’s a bit of a hypocrite, as are we all! I hate that I’m not only typing on this laptop, but my whole existence is made possible working in the tech world, as a complete Luddite at heart! The situation drives me crazy.

    I also go back and forth between a total doomster terrified of climate change, and someone the thinks so much of it is bullshit. Is anyone else on here just trying to live a “normal” life, while doing little things just in case? I’m so conflicted. This winter project is finishing a room in the basement as a music room/bedroom. Last summer was so hot for a bit we could barely sleep upstairs, yet the basement was 70 degrees when it was 105 outside. So live for today, prep for a possible tomorrow? Put in raised beds, haul in compost, outfit the house for livability without electricity? And maybe it’s all for nothing, because if things do go full on “the road” people will not let you just be.

    Then, the vaccines. I still don’t know what to believe.

    Maybe the answer really is getting rid of this thing on my lap.


    For the benefit of Americans not used to modern units of measurement, that is nearly ten inches of rain in 24 hours. One inch = 2.54 mm.

    That’s what superheated oceans do: supercharge the air with moisture. And then down it comes!.


    ‘Put in raised beds, haul in compost, outfit the house for livability without electricity?’

    Preparing for life without electricity is wise.

    Raised beds are overrated and can be downright counterproductive in places that get long, dry periods.

    The great Russian horticulturalist whose name I cannot recall at this moment recommends sunken beds in locations prone to hot winds and extended periods of drought. Kurdyumov?

    I have put in sunken beds (did so before reading his book) because this region is prone to hot, dry winds.

    Raised beds are only for poor draining clay subsoil and a very wet climate.


    Powered and backed by an extensive military industrial capacity

    Far more mobilized under the surface than Eurotardistan can muster.


    AFKTT :

    Yes 10 inches is a lot of rain over 24 hours but in the Congo they often get that in just 10 minutes several times a day during the rainy season!


    @ Kassandra – “Then, the vaccines. I still don’t know what to believe.”

    With all respect K. – if, as a reader of TAE, at this point in the experiment you still have any doubts at all about the death vaxx, any doubts at all, then I am at a complete loss.



    Indeed, there are many places that get more rain. But they are not covered in concrete and asphalt that prevents it soaking into the ground and do not have infrastructure built in places where water naturally collects.

    The saboteurs of Orcland were repeatedly warned this would happen -and took no notice (of course). The Ponzi scheme that has been running for decades had to be kept going. Every unsuitable bit of land gets built on, fully endorsed by the Deceit and Crime organisations that claim to be in control. Well, they are in control -of the lying and thieving and avoidance of responsibility!

    What is really interesting is the rapid departure of people who can leave to places that are not as dysfunctional as Orcland. Many have arrived here in North Canterbury in recent times.

    What will be left will be poor people with no money, no skills and no possibility of getting out the ghetto.


    Pakistan looks to be the next major player to go under.

    Worst floods ever; rapidly devaluing currency; saboteurs as government; looting by the IMF about to take place.


    @Afewknowthetruth — I completely agree with your assessment of the situation with regards to what to believe or what to do.

    As for me, I spent the majority of the last 15 years trying to reduce my own carbon footprint because I believe that was imperative. Started growing my own food, farming with horses because we could power them directly from the farm, and running a small dairy in hopes of having income after an economic crash. I built an outhouse so I didn’t have to use electricity to pump water for flushing our toilet. I bought and used an Amish buggy in anticipation of getting rid of our cars. Cooked and heated exclusively with wood cut on our farm, and never installed AC in a place where *every* other house has it.

    Circa 2018, I went through a major shift. At that point, the Seattle area (where I grew up) had shifted such that they were blanketed in smoke for weeks each summer, while a mass dieoff of sea life in the Gulf of Alaska commenced. The ubiquitous starfish of Puget Sound died off. The pines on my farm all died off in an unprecedented drought year. To me, the alarm bells were ringing loud and clear.

    Despite all this, I had to argue with a family member to take the train instead of flying to visit me (I know — both are bad for CO2 emissions, but the train is a slight improvement, and less likely to be used due to the convenience cost). I realized that if this (educated and intelligent) family member refused to recognize the writing on the wall, that the vast majority would be the same. It also follows that if the vast majority is unable to make the necessary changes, my own efforts would not amount to any difference whatsoever.

    So I gave up. Stopped working so hard (about 30 hours a week on top of a 40hr job). Decided that I should just enjoy the time we have left. Instead of putting up hay on my “vacation” time, I go canoeing in Minnesota. I drive a few hundred miles to get there. I even told my family member that they can fly (or drive individual Hummers for all I care) all they want, if they wish to visit.

    With regards to the vax… I was unable to prevent everyone in my family from getting it, aside from my son. My wife is boosted. I showed her Dolores Cahill’s claim that most of the vaxxed would be dead within 10 years just before she went and did it, but to no avail. Now I just hope for time together that can be enjoyed, even if it will be limited. I try not to get too wrapped up in it. Afterall, I was wrong (on timing, at least) with peak oil and climate change, so perhaps my take on the vax is also wrong?

    And then this year I was diagnosed with cancer. Perhaps there’s a correlation with releasing all my concerns, or losing what was once a powerful driving force in my life.

    I’m not really sure what the takeaway is here. Perhaps it’s not to get too wrapped up in your hopes and dreams. As my father-in-law once said, “We’re all just along for the ride”.


    @ davidveale and all the other survivors

    Remember, appreciate, the experiences, enjoy, the memories of the good old days.
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    Correction to my previous post… I realize now that @Kassandra is the one making the argument I related to. AFKTT is often the one to express climate concerns, so I apparently transposed the two commenters. Apologies for the mixup!

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