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    Willem de Kooning Woman 1969     We’ve been talking a lot lately at the Automatic Earth about programs to vaccinate children. It’s one more
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    #76983
    Oroboros
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    I was listening to a podcast with a well know doctor who is flat out against the ‘vaccines’ for all but the most at risk.

    When asked about why go after the 12-15 age group for untested mRNA ‘therapy’, they said that’s the puberty age range, it will do the most damage to their endocrine system, hence lower fertility and thus future population growth thus lower resource drain on the ecosystem

    Mission accomplished

    #76986
    Oroboros
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    As to why the insurance companies are not adjusting rates to reflect Covid risks, the insurance companies are expendable and so are their employees. The upper management of insurance companies have golden parachutes regardless of whether the company or its business model goes belly up, they are ‘made men’.

    The insurance Racket have their marching orders from the top.

    Like the Student Loan Racket, designed to enrich the college administrative class, not the teaching staff, the government will assume all liability for the insurance racket.

    The Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Racket redeux.

    #76987
    Oroboros
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    I remember when Trump was just starting to run in 2016 and he couldn’t believe the positive press coverage he got and how no matter the faux pas he made, he came up smelling like roses.

    Trump:
    “They say I have the most loyal people — did you ever see that? Where I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters.” he said. “It’s like incredible.”

    Well, Fascist Fauci could say the same thing now and absolutely nothing would happen to him regardless of his ‘vaccine’ policy.

    Nothing.

    He could literally give the finger to the audience on camera, and nothing will happen to him.

    As they say on the school playground, you and whose army are going to make him stop?

    Certainly not the courts, they are peeing themselves in fright.

    #76988
    upstateNYer
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    Injecting children with covid vaccines is child abuse, clear and simple. We are injecting them with a substance that has:
    – a solid track record of failure in previous research with animals
    – no long-term study of side effects and very shoddy mid- to short-term studies of side effects
    – a growing number of studies showing how and why it is harming people (diffusing throughout body; spike proteins cause damage)
    – a [now] clear record of causing adverse events, which sometimes are serious or disabling
    – a [now] clear record of causing death

    Not sure how anyone with a thinking brain or even half a heart could even consider doing this to our children.

    #76989
    Polder Dweller
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    That’s the puberty age range, it will do the most damage to their endocrine system, hence lower fertility and thus future population growth thus lower resource drain on the ecosystem.

    That’s my take, too, Oroboros, as I wrote on TAE the other day, but I’m no doctor so it’s good to see a quote from one.

    On Dutch TV this evening, they were talking about vulnerable kids from the age of 12 now being eligible for a vaccine. They interviewed one girl with cystic fibrosis and another with a heart problem and they were all for it, but I was left thinking that the way the vaccine works, they might well wind up dead – a very depressing thought.

    #76992
    Django
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    Solzhenitsin had our number . We lack the courage to defend ourselves against evil.

    #77015
    DarkMatter
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    @Django

    Solzhenitsin had our number . We lack the courage to defend ourselves against evil.

    The only courage that is lauded today is the courage to risk money for a greater return.

    I recently read Fate of Empires by Glubb. He writes

    (The) spirit of dedication was slowly eroded in the Age of Commerce by the action of money. People make money for themselves, not for their country. Thus periods of affluence gradually dissolved the spirit of service, which had caused the rise of the imperial races.
    In due course, selfishness permeated the community, the coherence of which was weakened until disintegration was threatened. Then, as we have seen, came the period of pessimism with the accompanying spirit of frivolity and sensual indulgence, byproducts of despair.

    Written in 1978 it perfectly describes our country today. As I see things fall apart it gives me a strange sense of peace to think “Well, it’s late stage empire. It’s just the way things go. Empires are born, grow old and die. Nothing to do but let it collapse.”

    #77016
    Oroboros
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    If the majority of so-called smarty pants dwellers in Western ‘civilized’ nation won’t defend their own children,

    I’d say game over.

    Might as well drive them down to the train station for their free trip to ‘summer’ camp.

    ‘Summer Reorientation Camp’

    ‘Summer Work Camp’


    Arbeit macht frei

    Work will set you free

    https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.illuminatiagenda.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F07%2Fwork-will-set-you-free.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

    #77017
    Oroboros
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    The Children of Men

    Heard an interview years ago with P D James

    She had never written a Sci-Fi novel.

    Asked why she wrote Children of Men she said that she wanted to know how humans would treat children if they knew there was never going to be anymore of them.

    #77018
    Bill7
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    > Solzhenitsin had our number . We lack the courage to defend ourselves against evil. <

    “We” is inapposite I think: those who rule us have made what you metioned a long-term project
    since the 80s, if not earlier; see J.T. Gatto and C. Lasch for particulars, or even Senator™ Moynihan..

    Don’t blame the people for their Rulers’ project’s effectiveness, as they’d so like you to do.

    #77025
    VietnamVet
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    From the return of the Princess Cruise possibly infected passengers in a plastic screened isolation section on an airplane that has continuous air re-circulation, no PPE, and the transmission of the virus from the air base into the community; it is clear that the US government’s response to coronavirus pandemic has been a giant SNAFU. Still is. The Biden/Harris Administration has not made one bit of difference.

    Today, it is literally everyone for themselves. The experts due to hubris, group-think and money are solely depending on for-profit mRNA “vaccines” to control coronavirus in Europe, South Asia, and the Americas. Unpatentable treatments are deep-sixed. Public health (masking and social distancing) measures were ended by the CDC.

    As part of the fear messaging, PR white coats say that the coronavirus is endemic, everyone will be exposed. Get jabbed. Kids too. However, if the mRNA silver bullet fails, there is no Plan B if a variant spike breaks out this winter. There are no universal cheap accurate tests. 50 State contact tracking and isolation of the infected is inadequate. There is no way to know if the breakout coronavirus infections in the vaccinated will infect the unvaccinated. Or, if those with waning immunity who were injected first at the beginning of 2021, will also be infected. There is no attempt to tell who has immunity from a previous coronavirus infection and doesn’t need a gene therapy jab this year. No assuring that meat packing plants and nursing homes are safe to occupy. No arrests for manslaughter.

    The only way to explain this is the dismantling of democracy, the end of the rule of law, and the triumph of greed.

    #77030
    V. Arnold
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    The Ethics of Child Vaccinations

    An oxymoron if ever I heard one: at least in the context of today’s gross medical malfeasance…
    A far cry from my experience with the polio vaccine from Dr. Salk way back in the 50’s…I knew children in Iron Lungs, as they were called at the time…

    #77031
    V. Arnold
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    @ Vietnam Vet
    The only way to explain this is the dismantling of democracy, the end of the rule of law, and the triumph of greed.

    Nailed it!

    #77036
    Huskynut
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    @oroboros
    As to why the insurance companies are not adjusting rates to reflect Covid risks, the insurance companies are expendable and so are their employees. The upper management of insurance companies have golden parachutes regardless of whether the company or its business model goes belly up, they are ‘made men’.

    Nah, I’m not onboard with that. Historically, insurance companies have been very savvy at accurately modelling risks, perhaps because the ongoing existence of their entire business (and many of the longest running have been in business over a century) depends on them not getting it totally wrong.

    I recall a thread on TAE in the early days of Covid discussing remarks from a senior actuary at one of the big insurance companies who immediately pooh-poohed the Imperial College model, as his company had invested many millions trying unsuccessfully to model pandemics, and had admitted failure.. pandemics being simply too complex to accurately model (or more likely, small changes to variables make a large difference to model outputs and therefore the model’s predictive value was small).
    More likely in my mind – there’s no excess death from Covid, therefore there’s no need to alter premiums (much).
    Wait some time until the outcomes of Covid vaccination make themselves statistically felt, and you can guarantee life insurance premiums will alter in the same way they did for smokers, heavy drinkers, etc.

    #77037
    Huskynut
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    From an article in a leading NZ daily today: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/125386042/nzs-covidfree-status-relies-on-trust-in-the-vaccine.

    “The Pfizer vaccine, being used in New Zealand, has already been administered to millions around the world with no more serious side effects than the flu vaccine. It has been tracked and monitored in more detail than any vaccine in history.”

    I wish I had the time and money to public challenge idiocy like that. The VAERS DB linked by Ilargi a few days back shows the annual flu vaccine death rate in the US to average around 200/year, but over 4000 deaths have been registered from Covid vaccinations already this year. Europe is similar.

    Pfizer has been gifted relative headline anonymity because the other mRNA vaccines have had worse rates than Pfizer’s, but the death rate from the Pfizer vaccine certainly exceeds historical flu vaccination rates.

    #77038
    Huskynut
    Participant

    And lastly a couple of good links from Lockdownsceptics.org.uk a couple of days back:

    1. https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/06/08/covid-19-virus-has-a-genetic-feature-never-found-in-nature-that-lab-scientists-use-to-track-engineered-viruses/
    The Covid genome has a sequence at the all-imprtant furin cleavage site which does not occur in nature, and is commonly inserted as a genetic marker. Which seems to imply an engineered virus, but one engineered for research rather than biowarfare purposes (why advertise synthetic origin in a bioweapon when alternate sequences would work as effectively without advertising synthetic origin?)

    2. https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/06/08/the-kitsch-covid-aesthetic/
    Interesting psychology suggestion on why the “covid-together” tribe’s is inpenetrable to logic, stats or argument.

    #77053
    Mister Roboto
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    Interesting psychology suggestion on why the “covid-together” tribe’s is inpenetrable to logic, stats or argument.

    And the sad thing is, a lot of these people are the same ones who proclaimed themselves “the reality-based community” starting with the 2004 election.

    #77055
    Dr. D
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    While, true, it’s really a practical consideration. As I’ve said before, it’s a universal social drift: if any person accepts ANY responsibility, for ANY thing, EVER, the surrounding immoral body happily and abundantly dumps ALL responsibility (and therefore work) onto them. This childish behavior expands because should anyone A) be accurate B) take due responsibility or C) do any work, they are immediately set upon like hyenas by everyone around them, and more are called in from the neighboring town. So therefore they too become hyenas as each is according TO any allegation, and FROM any that show the slightest ability.

    So anyone hoping to survive at all must A) deny all responsibility and lie, corrupting the accurate assessment of things and no longer attributing truth and blame, and B) can only gather to themselves selfishly, because the slightest hint that they would share brings the infinite hyenas again, willing to say, do, or accuse and attribute anything to get a scrap. As we see today. Most people would work and be left alone. They can’t. The End.

    There are many layers, and yes, this is a civic thing, wither that sense of “us” is family, region, or nation, but it has nothing to do with money, or even selfishness, really. It’s strictly practical. However, adopting the “practical”, in the immediate sense, leads to the decay of all things, everywhere, over time.

    But what would you do? The slightest variation would have any good man be exhausted and picked clean 70 years before the tide turns. The society itself as a whole must see it, have enough of it, and turn from it, but that is essentially a religious act. Faith that if you do good, your brother will too, or that it is worth the slings and arrows unto death to do the right thing.

    This is essentially the whole pivot of successful cultures vs unsuccessful, i.e. poor, violent, and desperate ones. You can put it in economic or political terms, but it’s something more.

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