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What was that Gandhi said? “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.”
The God vs Anti-God War has followed much the same track, and the tactic that gets played most annoyingly is the ridicule gambit. It begins with the unsolicited portrayal of two dimensional cartoon character-like figures of God and Devil (Angels and Demons) as absolutely ridiculous and shallow stereotypes out of a child’s book of bed-time stories.
The entire intent is that those adulterated concepts be rejected as patently ridiculous, which is frequently what happens. Those who are tricked by the “Straw Man” illogic into disbelieving the existence of God are lauded as bright and logical, and those who don’t buy into the trick (by continuing to simply KNOW that the Creator of the Universe is a divine non-physical entity) . . . . well those sane ones are portrayed as suckers for ridiculous child’s stories.
The unfortunately gullible few who fall for the gaslighting and consequently reject the most fundamental of all truths (that the Universe is the product of a consciously aware non-material source) rapidly diverge from the sane folks who know that that is precisely where it came from. It is not only true that material emerged from the non-material, but it can be relatively easily proved to as many levels of Sigma probability as you’ve got time to write out the very large number.
Those who seek the answer in material science are destined to wind up in the neighborhood of where we are now: materially capable of video-taping the nuking of a planet from space by AI robots, and spiritually unable to stop themselves from doing it or even understanding how they got into such an untenable spot in the first place.
So which direction should you turn to escape the noose that you’re tightening around your own neck. To the spirit-denying money, AI, math and other materialistic arts and sciences that got us into this mess, or perhaps toward an increased awareness of the spiritual nature of the spot you find yourselves in, how you got there and if there is a way out?
If you have even the slightest discomfort with the notion that the ENTIRE universe and everything in it derived from the singular consciously aware divinity, then you dear neighbor have been gaslit by folks who would rather that you did not know that. And I’m pretty sure it’s because because they have a vested interest in you thinking and behaving otherwise. No “cartoon” demons necessary, but like I asked earlier: “There’s a difference?”
My supernatural powers of prophesy enable me to see into the future and foretell that a Great Theological Debate is about to occur.
Actually, it’s not so much supernatural power as it is pragmatic intent, by which I mean to say that I know that a debate between the theists and the atheists around here is about to break out because if somebody else don’t start it pretty soon then I will.
Time for the Overton Window to widen and scootch over a little bit more towards real reality.
“We were mistreated by dumb bureaucrats, not by the minions of evil deities..”
There’s a difference?
Alright, all you chronic prognosticators, time to call the toss. Is all of this banking crap over the weekend the Big One or not?
I haven’t got anywhere near enough expertise to call it. All I know for sure is that the bullshit is flying like never before, the doomers are having near-terminal episodes of acute schadenfreude, and the big shots look like they’re edging closer to the life boats.
What say ye, all? Is this the moment we’ve all been saying it was going to be if someone didn’t do something or else?
Regarding the divergence between meme and reality.
The point you raise is no small thing, and no easy thing, either. Your brother in law is probably a good example, and my own brother was certainly a good example. My brother Bill was just an Irish year older than me, and now deceased and dearly missed. He was a great guy, and to meet him was to like him, but he had a fatal flaw. He allowed his enormous paycheck to influence his moral judgement. His willingness to see with his true heart what he saw with his own two eyes was obscured by his half million dollars per year perks and pay from Uncle Sam. His job was a globe trotting intelligence agent who taught Tech spooks how to use specialized software to glean the undersea internet cables at the terminus facilities where the cables emerged from the sea and are re-routed.
For some reason that I will probably never learn his employers murdered him He worked for criminals, you see, and he knew it, but his avarice enabled him to rationalize the bad part of it all away . . . except the part that they were cold blood killers.
If one works for the interests of criminals there is simply no possible way to distance one’s self far enough away from the grim truth of it to evade the consequences. It doesn’t matter whether the employers are are bankers or spies, drug runners or FBI, the piper will eventually be paid by someone.
“The banking system is safe” -Joe Biden
So, now it’s official. The ban run is ON.
Sprint, do not run, to get your cash out if you have any, but come to think of it, who’s got any cash savings banked in the first place?
Most victims were fleeced to the bone years ago.
Rules based “gatekeeper” systems of governance can be gamed by means of using AI’s to plot a course through the nearly infinite number of possible pathways through to a desired end-state. By opening or closing just the right gates literally any end-state can be achieved. It’s very much like hacking a computer.
@JohnDay
Ah ha. Back in the day (like half a century !) we called them PK’s, Preachers Kids. , They were deservedly Notorious for the most part, and trending to be wild ones, too. We cut them some slack because we knew of their burden and were glad that a similar fate had not accidentally befallen us through no fault of our own.
With all due respect (and I do highly respect most of your input, when you’re not overwrought) you don’t know very much about the often cited (but rarely accurately represented) Jesus. If you REALLY dig, and separate the sales and marketing hype (both pro and con, and from NUMEROUS heavily vested organized religious “interests”) from the actual historic data, then I think that you . . . yes, even you, hyper skeptic that you seem to be . . . . will have a lot more respect for the guy. Jesus was a good guy, aspnaz, and as wise brave and honest as they come. For real. That’s why even the adulterated version of his message has lasted so long and will continue to do so for as long as there are people to hear it. Once you hear the core message of his advice, you will agree with it, and you will never forget.
I really like this Korybko guy. For one thing, he knows how to turn cogent thoughts and data into sentences that don’t take a semanticist-turned-conman to translate into English. He’s damned near unique!
regarding #130895
Thank you sincerely for the excerpts you posted yesterday of Rev. Taylor. What a breath of fresh air and sanity. It is going to take a long time to unwind the effects that centuries of deliberate (explicitly purposeful) gaslighting by anti-theistic criminals has had on the “thinking class” that so many depend upon for “expert advice” and leadership.
Why do we have to re-learn the same old lessons of history over and over again? It’s not that we are such bad students (since we humans. . . or the equivalent . . .) always do eventually, yet again, successfully receive, codify and record the same basic rules. We even try to preserve and relay them to following generations. The problem seems to be that for some mysteriously unknown reason we then forget them again in a paroxysm of intermittent amnesia.
What’s so hard about understanding and complying with half a dozen or so unbreakable “rules-of-THE-road”? These aren’t rules that I invented or authored. They are rules that have been recorded and re-recorded countless times by countless sages all over the world. Nothing new here. It’s ancient stuff written by exceedingly intelligent and learned, wise people.
So what are these rules? Well, here are a few (not all) of the basics:
1. This world, Universe and ALL that is in it is the manifestation of an intelligent, aware, and divine consciousness that is capable of communicating to us in terms so simple and direct that even dolts like us can understand. This fact is very very simple, but it’s importance cannot be overstated. If there were only one thing that you could know, then this is the truth that should know.
2. If individuals and the groups they contrive abide by these rules (truth, good, love and the undisputed reality of God, being foremost among them) then existence (both corporeal and otherwise) will be successful and pleasant .
3. If you are tempted to break any of those rules for some truly stupid reason or other (Hey, it happens) be assured that God will advise you in that very instant to NOT do such a thing, BUT HE WILL NOT STOP YOU IF YOU INSIST. That’s the one catch, see? You are free to proceed to try to do whatever it is that you set out to do, no matter how stupid and crazy it might be. A man can cut off his dick, dress up pretty and pretend to be pregnant if that strikes him as good idea at the time. God will strongly advise against it, but He will nevertheless ALLOW that soul-sick idiot to do it. Go ahead and engage Russia in a land war on its own turf if you must, He won’t stop ya. Vaccines for babies anyone? How about child sacrifice and the worship of dark forces?
4. Suffice it to say that if someone attempts to circumvent or outright violate God’s rules, well, things are just not going to go very well after that, and the utter chaos that ensues is going to be so overwhelmingly complex and confounding that it will almost certainly MESS YOU UP beyond all recognition.
5. When that happens, when anyone of us or the people around us are so screwed up that the majority can no longer tell the difference between good & bad or right & wrong (in other words, when they go stupid and insane) you can always turn to God for help. Simply speak privately to that supreme consciousness, tell him the problem as you see it, and receive the answer. Be patient ! We are often quite thick and need to be told multiple times in multiple ways before it starts to sink in.
6. God will understand your query or plea absolutely perfectly, respond absolutely instantly, and answer absolutely truthfully in terms that you will unambiguously understand (and probably instantaneously try to hedge, alter or ignore, too.) His advice or recommendations will absolutely be in your most beneficially best interests. That only makes sense. The Creator of all takes good care of his stuff because “his stuff” is literally ALL a sort of “chip off the old block” so to speak.
7. If you want something then you must work for it. The only things you get that even come close to being freebies are your very existence and a Universe to exist in. The rest is up to you. You can try to cheat and get more than you give, but it will not end well if you do, because the preceding rules are not arbitrary inventions. The are the actual RULES that make this Universe and existence in it even possible in the first place. That is meant literally, in the FIRST place.
If you have a secretly held low or disrespectful opinion of God then it’s best not to keep that objection to yourself like the sullen unexpressed resentment or mocking displays of a spoiled child. Take it up with God directly. Ask him, from one conscious awareness to another, man-to-man so to speak. Perhaps you think it patently absurd that a splendidly robed white bearded geezer sits on a Gold Throne in a Pearly Gated Community calling the shots in suburbia. Did Universe ever describe it’s nature to you (or present itself to you) as being anything remotely like that? Or did you perhaps receive that cartoonish interpretation from less reputable sources? But don’t ask me. I’m not the one selling that brand. Ask that Universal Awareness itself. Go ahead, ask. It can hear, just as you can. It can communicate, just as you can communicate. It can do both, and a lot more, WAY batter than you can and is more than capable of holding up his end of the conversation. So ask God, “Is that who or what you are?” Then just listen. As for whatever answer you get back, that’s between you guys. None of my business.
Life is complicated, isn’t it? Complexity and dicey ‘judgment-calls’ confront us at every turn. We are being constantly advised and manipulated from a myriad of “experts” and “authorities” to NOT turn to a higher power in search of guidance when we don’t know what to believe or do. It’s not rocket science to deduce what the probable motives of these mysteriously anonymous advisers might be. And it’s also pretty damned evident that their track record and stats on lying about practically everything else that matters isn’t very good either. So why are you still accepting your data and advice and governance from them?
For example, the illegitimately elite insist by every means possible (direct, indirect or just plain sneaky and violent) that the primary lessons of history (see the list above) must play no role whatsoever in the ordering of the daily practical affairs of men or nations. How has that been going for humankind the past few decades?
Admittedly, the reputations of formal governments and organized religions ain’t so hot. Why do you suppose THAT might be? Do you think that maybe they might have, maybe, BROKEN some of those basic rules? Do you think that there is a chance, however slight that it may be, that they have LIED to you about what they really think about God, or their personal adherence to the irrefutable Lessons of History (which unsurprisingly just happen to be DIRECTLY related to the divine Universal laws?)
Does the near ubiquitous corruption of governments, institutions and organized religions somehow invalidate the reality and legitimacy of God’s rules, or does that corruption and failure invalidate the perfidy of those who break them?
It feels like something very weird, strange, pervasive is interfering.”
I was going to sit on this for awhile, but then @jb-hb started looking at elephant parts and now it seems a little more relevant and timely. It’s esoteric to some degree (as so much of what I write tends to be) but please take note that it is also meant to be imminently pragmatic. The stuff I’m talking about is manifestly tangible now, and is going to become MUCH more so.
The “Overton Window” metaphor is maybe the best visualization aid of all time in regard to the communication of vital information. So intuitively descriptive, so adaptable to shifting dynamics, so true in its operation.
That metaphorical “window” of what constitutes acceptable topics for permissible conversation can widen or narrow, be murky or clear, move closer or farther away. I just love it.
And that’s not even to mention the sorts of things that might fit THROUGH it to change its size, shape and placement. My, oh my!
For example, just look at how the “Overton Window” has shifted and changed in the past couple of years, and not just here on TAE (although TAE is the place I’m thinking about in this instance.) It has been ripped open SO widely, literally everywhere, that hitherto undreamed of things are flying hither and yon through the now gaping hole in our prison’s wall.
And this is just the start. Give it a few more months or a couple of years. Try not to be too shocked. (which is pretty much impossible to follow advice, because SHOCK is the very nature of what is being revealed.
All that’s really happening is that the curtains of deliberately and purposefully obfuscated history are being ripped asunder to expose and inform you of what has simply been going on all along that you have been content to remain ignorant about because you’ve been gaslit into thinking that ignorance is bliss.
Well it ain’t. Ignorance is death.
Prepare to live for the first time in your life, but first there’s a little more wising up to do.
Just kidding. There’s a LOT more wising up to do. And some of it is going to be very unsettling, so gird up as best you can (and NO, I’m not talking about God or aliens, which shouldn’t be all that unsettling in ether case anyway.) That widening Overton Window is going to help. Brave up and look through it.
History is not what you’ve been led to believe it was, and the crazy guys haven’t been that wrong about it either (just a bit overwrought is all).
Let’s start off light. Several commentators of considerable intellectual prowess here on TAE (and whole slew of lurkers, too, I would wager) have recently professed their atheism. No problem. That is their own business because it is their own mind and they are the ones fully responsible for ts contents.
Nevertheless, to you guys I offer the earnestly sincere advice to get busy changing your mind about that atheism thing you’ve got going, because the implications are of significant material importance.
That’s enough unsolicited advice for the time being, except for maybe one more bit: keep using that window.
@JohnDay
But don’t kill them.
No worries, John. Just point out the bastards to a deplorable and go about your day.
There needs to be a new Federal level Department in the United States government to keep all of the leaks straight. Contradictory cock & bull stories are stacking up and getting hard to remember. It can be called U.S. Department of Balderdash and I’ve even got the motto that they can carve into the stone over the entrance, and on nicely framed little placards to hang on the wall where paying customers can see them and be reassured that they’re going to be getting their money’s worth: “Bald faced lies delivered instantly. Miraculous cancellation of the Laws of Physics might take a little longer.”
“No doubt, you are self-aware and can recognize that you portray two different views here. On the one hand, you want someone else to carefully and meticulously criticize written words and demonstrate relevance and inference. On the other hand, you don’t think you have that responsibility and don’t think this place is appropriate for that kind of activity anyway.
Which hand is the one you wish for me, or anyone else, to most associate with you?”First off, that was an impressively conscientious application of the rules of engagement. Your comment was nearly faultless, except for that little part about me breaking my own rules by expressing two different and contradictory views. Nah, it’s just one view, but admittedly it does presume familiarity with Bardi’s broader body of work and associations. Mea culpa, but not very much, because it’s plenty accurate enough for the occasion, and I’m not doing a “straw-man” thing with it like was done to me.
Specifically, his authorship of The Limits To Growth, and his continued association with The Club Of Rome, both of which it is completely fair to say, are oft referenced works in support of the concept that humankind is intrinsically flawed in its very nature and must therefore be repaired or externally restrained in various ways by “better” people who know more than we do about what’s best for us.
I cannot help but speculate what sort of better people they have in mind.
My view is that he is not merely mistaken in that position, but tragically so, and that continuation of that seriously flawed premise will have fatal results for our physical, mental, and spiritual health. I am being specific enough about a positions that he has quite publicly and repeatedly taken.
So is it unfair of me to accuse him of implying a low opinion humans from his comparing the latest model of people to the much older line of “savanna monkeys”? Not at all. That was the intent of his crystal clear metaphor so I’m not mistaken in seeing it that way. I took it the way meant it, which is the suggestion that modern human is a not much improved over the proto-human of 4 million years ago. (and, it’s worth noting, that good ol’ Australopithecus lasted a million years, which ain’t that bad for such a tough neighborhood).
Now, while it is true that we are not individually responsible for the crimes of our brethren, it is also fair to see that we are known by the friends we keep, and the friends of the Club of Rome include some of the smarmiest eugenically inclined elite globalist death-mongers-by proxy this side of the WEF. Correct me if I’m wrong about that, because I would be delighted to be mistaken.
I’m also not saying that Ugo is anything like the worst of them. He’s an academic, a paper pushing professor of physical chemistry for crying out loud. How boring. Writing bullshit about topics outside of his wheelhouse is just his hobby, and since he’s a chemist I can appreciate how he needs some distracting entertainment. On the contrary, I rather suspect that from the vantage of sitting across from him at the well laden elitist dining table he presents as a charming, pleasant and affable guy. What I AM saying is that if he does not support genocide then it’s well past the time that he should quit that club and denounced its membership, because there are a bunch of those yahoos who are NOT nice guys, and they do mean to kill you.
So is he a man of spirit, an acolyte of chaos, or just a well compensated useful idiot? I don’t know, but I know that I’m tired of picking on him just because he wrote some shite as a pastime. No mas. Peace.
Chemistry tends to attract the materialistic, I suspect because the clockwork precision of the subject is both mesmerizing and reassuring to the those terrified by the implications of free will or the reality of awareness being the source of material instead of the other way around. Perhaps for these reasons it also tends to be the rabbit hole of no return, because the hole has no bottom. Material can never explain or understand or comprehend itself. Not ever. It just gets denser and denser and denser, forever.
Not only has the nation of Germany not had any particular complaint against the United States for the US rather transparently and blatantly blowing up Germany’s primary source of all-purpose (public and private) source of energy, but no one else in Germany seems to be making much noise either. Even the hot heads and opposition are silent, so far as anyone on this side of the Atlantic ocean can tell.
Really?
Yes, really.
Isn’t that rather , I dunno, ODD?
@AutonomousUnit
I don’t want to put too fine of a point on this, but the fact is that you placed quotation marks around alleged statements made by others which were NOT actually made by those others.
Indeed, the quotations you alleged were statements by YOU, and consisted of what I can only surmise were your interpretations of what you think other people said. In point of fact these supposed interpretations are quite erroneous and misinterpretation of what others actually wrote. Your subsequent critiques of those mis-quotes are therefore pretty much a wash and a waste of your time in writing them, and our time in reading them.
I know it involves a lot of extra work, but to be useful your comment and/or praise or criticism of what other writers have written should first quote them verbatim and THEN dismantle their actual words for the foolishness you think them to be.
Let’s get an item cleared up and out of the way from the start, we ARE talking about the same Ugo Bardi, right?
Professor of physical chemistry at the U of Florence, former Peaky Oiler, author of The Limits of Growth, member of the Club of Rome? [and occasional lurker on TAE, I might add] ? We are talking about THAT Ugo Bardi, are we not?
Well in that case he’s fair game. If he chooses to wallow with us swine down here in the pigsty then he can damned well root hog or die like the rest of us. I’m not going to talk nicey nice to an irresponsible minion to criminals just because he’s a sweet and personable guy, long time pal of our host Raul, and some kind of alleged authority on a number of topics . . . . about which he happens to be totally, catastrophically, tragically, and fatally WRONG.
You guys don’t seem to get just HOW wrong Mr Bardi and his co-morons actually are. They’re not wrong in a small way. They are as wrong as can be in very very big way. The biggest, actually, and that’s not a misprint. Nevertheless, you treat this supreme factuality as such a trifling inconsequential that one might think you considered it as the naive fantasy of a child. A juvenile error in thinking to be tolerated with gentle amusement until the child grows up and learns better.
Well, if that is the way that regard the awareness of God as the Creator and boss of all that is then you could not possibly be more wrong, and Bardi foremost among you.
So you think there are too many people, do you, and that direct interference with that survival rate would be a good thing to experiment with? Does that also mean that you believe yourself qualified to improve upon the masterwork of the Creator of the Universe? Maybe you’re so smart that you think you can save the planet by curtailing the survival of that creature man (though how you’re going to do the work with no humans in the task force eludes me.)
In any case, there is no doubt that you consider your OWN bright ideas to be far more important and meaningful than the more or less direct instructions from that God. But, oh, excuse me! People who are aware of those rules as actual RULES are naive simpletons, aren’t they, and not to be taken seriously? Primitives. Savanna monkeys, if you will.
Such ego and ignorance have contributed mightily to the operations of a psychotic criminal Cabal that has become, and still is, a DIRECT threat not only to my life and happiness, but to the lives and welfare of literally everyone else, millions upon millions of whom are now fucking DEAD because a bunch of IDIOTS like Bardi think that they know better than the guy who built the place.
It’s guys like that who look to each for confirmation and support for designing and enforcing the “rules” of the rules-based-order. Well, they’re looking to the wrong people in the wrong place, so it comes as no surprise that they come up with the wrong solutions. Foods that starve, medicines that kill, banks that steal, schools that stupidify, governments that enslave, and cults that literally worship evil.
When would-be victims protest these desecrations they are ignored as delusional, and the elite “masterminds of modernity” point sagely and authoritatively to impressive tomes of “smart think” like The Limits To Growth and countless other sacred scripture of godless materialism and literally institutionalized psychosis.
Maybe the most stunning stupidity is that jerks like that have gaslight marks like you to believe that souls like me are the crazy ones. Go figure. NO! WAIT! Please DON’T go figure. You’ll probably just get it bass ackwards again.
You have been conned, gaslit, tricked, lied to, coerced, humiliated, and FORCED by crazy atheists into believing that YOU are the one who’s crazy for acknowledging and communicating to the God who made you, and are yet actually ashamed (not proud, mind you, but literally ASHAMED) to publicly profess spiritual value above material valued. Now, how crazy is that?
Do you understand my question? I’ll restate it more clearly. How crazy is it to empower crazy people to make you feel crazy for doing the ONE thing that is NOT crazy? Pretty damn crazy.
So, getting back to my apparently unpopular position on Ugo’s article on hydrogen farts: in my deeply considered opinion his article is a just another in an unbroken series of same, a thinly veiled derogatory hit-job on humanity by a condescending high IQ useful idiot OBLIVIOUSLY on the payroll of the Cabal that’s building a case and executing a procedure for the extermination of all humankind. . . which of course includes himself, full stop.
Do I respect him as an expert of any kind? Well, he’s a brilliant writer, but If a “brilliant expert” bases the authoritative legitimacy of his expertise on a premise that is 180 degrees backwards from the truth (i.e. as wrong as it is possible to get) is their authority legitimate? In other words, Would it be better to agree with the conclusions this alleged expert draws from their maximally false premise, or better to disagree? That’s my answer.
But that’s just my opinion, and I’m just another monkey running around on the savanna like God told me to.
Your life tip is well intended and I want you to know that it is also well taken . . . but . . . there is a red-line that I have set for myself both in life and on this forum. I don’t offer that as an excuse for my sometimes tactless behavior, but just as an explanation for why I push the envelope of propriety a little further than might seem gracious. The line is as as plain and simple to see as it is brutally frank. It’s the sometimes murky line between good and bad.
When a commentator (kultsommer and Bardi in this instance) propose things that approaches (or crosses) the line that separates merely preposterous from downright evil then I will tell them so in no uncertain terms, and add some sarcastic sting to it if I can in order to get their attention.
If that offends them, or even gets me kicked off the forum, then so be it. They shall not get a free pass.
If your objective is to be as annoying as possible within the unlimited range of anti-social stupidity then chalk up another first place.
Machiavelli made an interesting side observation, or maybe it would be called an advice, about tyrants who wanted to stay in business. He said that if was not very smart to harm people and leave them alive to get even with their antagonist later on after nurturing their grudges for a while. Hundreds of millions of vaccine injured people now have the rest of their shortened and damaged lives in which to contemplate various things to do about their new circumstances, and I think that revenge might be one of them.
Sorry, you don’t get to ask me three questions in a row without balancing out the shooting match by answering one from me (but in anticipation of the event I suspect that it would have something to do with so-called human pollution, so called human overpopulation or something about hydrogen.) I’ll give ya my two cents worth on any one from the above list if you can answer why you think I’m wrong about anything I’ve said so far.
P.S.
I have never claimed or even implied that I’m an expert on anything at all. I’m Socratic about that sort of thing, in that I know that I know nothing.“Your contra-argument to his article is…….?”
First, of course, (and to be redundant yet again) is his presumptive and unsupported pejorative dismissal of the human race as “savanna monkeys”, which clearly implies that both homo sapiens AND Australopithecus are in some unspecified (and thus inarguable) way less than worthy examples of what it takes to qualify as a life form that’s worthy of being seen as having some worth.
First off, let’s not skip over the fact that on a strictly biologically factual basis such an assumption is just flat assed WRONG and devoid of supportive facts or reasoning. Both life forms are SUPERB examples of advanced organisms which out-competed ALL of the other life forms in their contemporary environment to achieve the position of “Top-O’-The Food-Chain” at a certain point in time. Maintaining that position is a challenge, of course, and there are no future guarantees, but that is always the case regardless of how or why a species managed to get there. The point is that they DID get there. That achievement is no small feat, and deserves at least acknowledgment (even though as a self-loathing people hater Bardi cannot seem to bring himself to show actual appreciation.)
Secondly, and on the other hand, if neither species is worthy of respect then why give a damn about whether either of them survives or not? You simply cannot have it both ways at once. Either humankind deserves to be what it is, in which case it should be should shown great respect and greater care. Or it does NOT deserve to exist, in which case we should immediately assist each other in dropping dead so that worthier life forms (or barren rocks) can get on with the business of being whatever Earth will be when the people are all gone.
That’s my real beef with pseudo-intellectuals like Bardi. They speak with forked tongue because they “think” with forked brain, if you could even call it real thinking at all. It’s more like just seething hatred dressed up in fancy jargon.
Admittedly, this isn’t the first time that I have had to roll my eyes at what Ugo Bardi has written, but this forum is hardly the proper venue for point by point peer review of the rest of his brilliantly written but factually lacking wrong conclusions drawn from massive data. It is enough, in this particular case, to note that his disparagingly intended equation of miraculously refined human beings with “savanna monkeys”, is enough bull shit for one sitting.
Yes, I hold Mr Bardi’s academic accomplishments in low regard, but only because he is so dead wrong about such big things. To imply that my criticism of his faulty work is somehow indicative of “…seething hatred for anything intellectual, “bookish” or “theoretical”. . . is going a bit far. Let’s try for a description that comes closer to my actual feeling, such as, “visceral contempt”.
I’m about to speak sternly to Mr Bardi, so if you are of delicate disposition about the slaughtering of sacred cows I suggest that you turn away.
What Ugo reveals about himself when he disparages all of humanity by comparing it to “Savanna Monkeys” is the terrified arrogance characteristically displayed by the not quite bright, and the thoroughly terrified. They are afraid because to them the Universe is a very fearful place that they don’t understand at all, and within which they feel as vulnerable and at risk as lambs in a slaughterhouse.
They live in constant fear that this enormously powerful Universe might randomly twitch and rub them out at any moment, about which they themselves (as individual narcissists) are completely incapable of doing anything about . They are so totally incompetent at DOING the things that are required to survive that the only way they can get them is to steal such skills, products and practical wisdoms from the folks that actually do have them. And I’m not just talking about the practical capabilities and competences such as gardening and small engine repair. There are other and equally important skills such as thought, wisdom and ideal governance, of which the omniplegic elitists also know nothing. The victims of these thefts, by the way, are the very same ones that the narcissists revile, disdain, slur and disparage so freely, without the slightest thought that such expressed hatred might itself be the worst “hate crime” of them all.
Maybe the most galling thing about these pretentious self proclaimed brainiacs is that they don’t actually know what the fuck they’re talking about, but they do reckon that they can pretend to know more about it than you do, and are thereby justified in bamboozling you with all sorts of scary bullshit propaganda, fear mongering and gaslighting all of which is intended to “prove” that they’re smarter than you are, and for that reason have the authority to boss you around and take your stuff .
That authority, by the way, includes the authority to tell you to drop dead. Why? Well because, in their authoritative and superior opinion, you are getting in their way and blocking the view of their imagined perfectly peopleless world. They don’t want your disgusting existence cluttering up their garden. The fact that you might disagree with any of their disagreeable proclamations is just more proof that your ideas are so far beneath contempt that they’re not even worth being legal to think, much less say out loud.
So Bardi calls us “Savanna Monkeys” thinking himself so very academically clever as to reference Darwin without mentioning the name, blissfully oblivious to Darwin’s ancient theory being long since discredited by non-theoretical nuclear biology, or that the Savanna hypothesis is as extinct as the boney fragments that it was speculatively based on. That’s okay, though, because simulated erudition wasn’t the real point of the exercise, anyway.
The intended point was to label you as a worthless monkey, and a pitifully inadequately “evolved” monkey at that, thereby justifying the act of killing you off because you are not REALLY the child of God. How could you possibly be the product of a divine intelligence? They dismiss the very notion as being a “quaint” and “superstitious” idea so unworthy of adult consideration that it need not even be explicitly denied, and so typical of the “primitive” sub-human mind. So, case closed on whether or not humanity is worth anything. So no, in the view of Bardi and his atheistically fellow numbskulls, you are not the incomprehensibly elegant masterwork of the conscious Creator of the Universe. You’re just “population overshoot.”
He doesn’t know that his theories are self-serving lies, see? He truly does NOT understand that his materialistic hooha is absolutely false and tragically misguided toward a suicidal objective. Because he is an idiot hiding behind arrogance (that final refuge of the profoundly stupid). Because he is scared shitless of a world in which he feels absolutely powerless to survive if he can’t steal it from those who are NOT incompetent fakers.
I’ve got nothing against logic, reasoning and the scientific method. But God save us from the certified ignoramuses who think that any of those pursuits have got ANYTHING to do with pretending to know something that you just plain DON’T.
And when I see that someone prefers to be mistaken than consider explanation, and would rather remain offended than accept sincere apology I simply take note of the facts and move on.
It seems that language can be as much hinderance as it is helpful, at times, especially when feelings have been stirred up for one reason or another. I think a language glitch has occurred. But first of all, and hopefully to smooth the waters a bit , I was not intending to criticize you (which would be to accuse you of some perceived fault) I was commenting on the subject you had raised.(which was intended to expand or explore ideas.)
Secondly, my reference to (and I quote myself), “. . . decent law abiding true-hearted Jewish children of the one and only God. . . .” , was not an allusion to persons who are physically below the age of majority, such as kids. My reference (which was admittedly too literary) was to persons who . . . as human beings . . . are thus offspring of “the one and only God” of the Universe. I meant ALL persons, of whatever age, who also happen to be Jewish by the fact that they were descended from Jewish lineage.
As for such persons being, “. . . decent law abiding [and] true hearted . . .” I simply meant that people who are not habitual baddies ARE, for the most part, rather decent law abiding and true hearted, and therefore fully deserving of the rights, privileges and respect that is automatically due to all people of good will.Basically, all I’m trying to say with all this delicately diplomatic verbiage, is that it behooves us all to be mindful of people’s legitimate personal security concerns when we start mucking about in all of this tribal stuff. People tend to be touchy on such subjects, and for damned good reasons. I do think that we DO need to talk about such matters, but to ensure that we CAN talk about them requires more care and less self-indulgence about how we express our opinions. Otherwise people tend to get upset, and that puts an end to conversation and a start to conflict.
As regards my reference to fake Jews, I was not talking about people who are mere hypocrites or insincere posers. I meant actual and literal FAKES, meaning people who claim to be Jewish while being fully and deceitfully aware that they are something entirely and malevolently opposite. And by the way, the other religions have these jokers in the deck, too, as any moderately deep dive into the subject quickly reveals.
I think a careful reread of my comments regarding Jews would show that I’m on your side of the argument. I am not prejudiced against any particular race or religion. I’m prejudiced against certain types of behavior REGARDLESS of race or religion, and therefore object to bad-actors hiding behind an ethnic or religious “Get Out of Jail Free Card” at the expense of the good people of that race, ethnicity or religious faith. I think that bad-actors who do that are fair game to call out and criticize, not just for their other crimes, but for the sneaky and harmful way that they attempt to evade justice.
With that one minor adjustment I basically agree with the entirety of what you wrote in comment #130650.
My ego is bruised by the apparent fact that AFKTT considers Aspnaz to be more dangerous than me. Ah , well. He’s been wrong before, rather frequently as a matter of fact Maybe he’s using chat GPT or something.
Paranoid theoretical conspiratorialists aren’t nutty because they think intentional collaborations of conspiring people are out to get them. They’re nutty because they have stopped deeper investigations before getting down to the bottommost (and therefore irrefutable) layer of their theory.
It’s hard not to wander off into the weeds when they tower over your head.
For example, when someone uses the term “Continuity of Government” in an otherwise unremarkable sentence (almost regardless, at this point, of what the remainder of that sentence might happen to be) it is easier than easy to just carry on with the conversation as though both parties to the confab are on the same page in regard to what is MEANT by “Continuity of Government”.
Oh, no no no no no. Don’t DO that!
Before discussing the ways and means of assuring continuity of government one should first reach a firm understanding of what each and every one of those simple little words actually MEANS in that ostensibly innocuous little phrase.
Does it lean towards meaning the continued operation of governmental business as usual, with all of the laws still firmly in place and steadfastly upheld? (such as the Constitution and Bill of Rights, for examples). Or does it mean ensuring that the grip on the reins of power continue to be firmly in the hands of the individuals who hold them now (and would prefer to hold them even more firmly, and for a much much longer period of time).
Does it mean continuity of the LAWS and Forms which provide the freedoms and protections guaranteed to citizens under the Constitution?
Or does it mean throwing all of those things under the bus if the “government” thinks that that is what it will take to guarantee the “continuation” of themselves as the controllers of “government”?
Most good guys (nearly all of them) will think (without warrant) that “Continuity of Government” means sensible procedural agreements for the emergency protection of the democratically free society (that we almost had there for a while) from the depredations of those mean old Ruskies and Chinks in the event that they attack us with a war or something.
And the Bad Guys will think, “Great! That’s what we hoped and PLANNED for you morons to think. Not only do we get to ‘continue’ robbing you to death, but it’s actually LEGAL because we told you in writing what we were going to do and no one objected! NOW all we’ve got to do to ensure that we get ALL of the power and KEEP it forever, is to drum up so much fear of war with Russia or China (or disagreeable domestic terrorist truth questioners) that no one will be able to object when we actually DO all that stuff written into our Continuity of Government policy. Stuff like full enforceable internet censorship, suspension of Habeas Corpus, mandatory routine injections, and vaccine passports linked to Central Bank Digital Currency, etcetera. The Cool thing is that we don’t even need a real war or even the ability to win one! All we need is enough FEAR of war that people will hand literally EVERYTHING over to us for “Continuity”.
If you are any kind of student of history at all then you know that there is no way this ends without internecine bloodshed, because if no one stops them then they WILL control, enslave and eliminate anyone who disagrees with them by word, deed, or even thought., They government ownership class will not stop of their own accord because that is no part whatsoever in the “accord” that they are imagining. It simply isn’t what they want, and they have already told you quite clearly what it is that they want. They WANT to be the sole and only boss, of YOU, and it AIN’T gonna stop until they get it. They will not stop until they are THE boss, so there won’t be any stopping going on unless and until they are physically made to, because why the fuck should they stop when they don’t want to stop, and when no one else seems to care enough about any of it to really, actually, physically, STOP them? No one has even started to try to do that so far, nor will they, until they see that they HAVE TO. That day is coming on fast, and it’s going to be a doozie.
See what I’m getting at here? What I’m saying, yet again, is that your only available choice is between Heaven on Earth or Hell on Earth, and the choosing is based entirely on what you are willing to die for.
How is it in any way injurious to honest to God Jews for you to abstain from identifying and holding to account FAKE Jews who hide among the truly faithful and bring undeserved retribution down upon their innocent heads?
You didn’t promise to ABANDON the welfare of rights of decent law abiding true-hearted Jewish children of the one and only God. You promised to be more careful and refrain from stupidly ranting in ways that might hurt them , when instead you should be judiciously reporting truths that help those particular people and everyone else as well..
The Kazarian Mafia are not Jews, but they will claim to be and try to shut down investigation into their shenanigans by calling it anti-Semitism . . . much to the chagrin of actual Judeans who actually do follow the Religion of Abraham instead of the Kazarian Talmud.
So no Jew ranting, huh? Ah, well. No surprises there. I assume I am completely free to rant about ANYBODY else though. Ain’t it wonderful how gaslighting works?
Just as being Jewish is not proof of any guilt whatsoever, neither is it proof of innocence . . . . whatsoever. If I were aware of the assassination of an Orange Protestant bigwig in Belfast, and went looking for IRA terrorists I might start by looking for Irish guys Ireland. If I were of Irish descent but not a terrorist , this prejudicial approach to the investigation might make me nervous, but you just cannot successfully argue against it being a valid and effective approach. It certainly has a higher likelihood of success than searching for the assassins by checking up on black dudes in Harlem.
Investigators worthy of their salt go where the facts take them, and indeed should only be faulted for doing it in ANY way other than that. In other words, all that should (and must) be demanded of them is that they get it right, not wrong.
Y’all do understand that you’re just an experimental model, right? Like a prototype? Think of us as a sort of “proof of concept” project rather than a finished product.
If I were a better graphic artist I could draw a cartoon of the following meme, but even by describing it with just words I think you’ll get the picture. It illustrates the world’s present predicament.
We all get what it means and implies to “have a tiger by the tail”, right?
Well the meme I’m visualizing is the same basic idea, but in a CIRCLE. Think of it is a quadruple combination of “Tiger By The Tail”, “Monkey Trap”, “Mexican standoff” , “Daisy Chain”, all rolled into one.
Wheee, doggies! Ya better let go, but ya better NOT let go, neither.
