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Monday around 100 refugees moved to the road and blocked the highway between Athens and Lamia, creating massive chaos and traffic jams as traffic was blocked for several hours. Some of the migrants were holding sticks, attacked cars and generally acted uncontrollably.
Europe is already overwhelmed and cannot get a grip on the refugees and immigrants it already has. The flow has to stop as things will only get worse.
Refugees going to Europe is a gigantic mistake. It is bad for them, bad for european countries. They would be much better off staying in their country of origin or nearby.
Meanwhile in other greek migrant news:
Nikos Moustakas was pushed off a cliff to his death in Athens. He was out for a walk with his girlfriend when they were attacked by a trio of Pakistani migrants. Locals of the Koukaki and Petralona neighbourhoods told the media that they have felt unsafe in recent years because of the criminal activity and gangs that frequent the area at night.
A woman who had been kidnapped for days was found locked in the appartment of 5 migrants: 2 Morrocans, 2 Iranians and one Algerian who have been arrested.
Thousands of inhabitants from the island of Samos march to protest building a new refugee camp on the island
Huge fight between about 60 migrants from Algeria and Pakistan on Monastiraki with sticks and knives. Greeks and tourists witnessing the scene were caught up in the melee and beaten as well
Inhabitants from the island of Lesbos protest Tsipras and the presence of 9000 migrants
Ever since Brexit, the unemployment rate in the UK has been steadily going down, now at 4,2%, the lowest since 1975. Employment rate keeps climbing, now at an all-time high. And this morning I finally read this article in the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/aug/13/companies-brexit-supply-shock-fewer-eu-citizens-arrive-uk
Immigration figures from the EU are the lowest in 5 years. And this translates into a job market where businesses have to attract and retain employees, going so far as to, sit down for this, raise wages and offer additional benefits. Imagine my shock! The job market behaving like other markets, where an increased supply for salaried work lowers its price, and limiting the supply raises it! It’s as if limiting immigration actually benefits ordinary people rather than corporations. That cannot be true! We have been repeatedly told by all serious economists, mainstream politicians, media and humanitarians that unlimited immigration benefits everyone, period, there is no alternative.
In other news, the approval of Emmanuel Macron nosedived from 57% a year ago to 34% in July. Clearly idiotic French voters had no clue what they were doing in the last presidential election and we need to fix the results of the election and make Marine Le Pen president!
Who would have guessed? A newspaper that was always opposed to brexit publishes a study commissioned by a brexit opposition group that finagles some data and concludes we should just ignore the results of a referendum and pretend it never happened.
We all know Lybia is not Luxembourg, in no small part due to the actions of supposedly well-meaning humanitarians led by Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Yet I am not aware of any law that declares Libya unfit to receive idiots stranded out at sea on a dinghy. Could any one tell me which law it is?
The mainstream left that we have in western countries is not your grandfather’s left, on that we agree. But in which country is the left the fiscal hawk and austerity champion while the mainstream right is the irresponsible spendthrift? US? UK? France? Canada? Germany? Where?
@Raúl Ilargi Meijer
“I never asserted that austerity is popular.”
Then you have a strange way of expressing it, since you wrote:
“a rightwing government that imposes austerity measures will be rewarded for it with more voters” and “[Britain’s Tories] knew that their austerity measures would only make their party stronger”
I wrote: “The people fed up with immigration no longer vote traditional right, they vote maverick right, populist right.” to which you replied: “Eh, that’s what I said.”
When you speak of “mass migration initiated by the right” or “If it also lets in large numbers of migrants, even more votes” or “The migration streams in Europe are supported by the right”, you’re not talking about Salvini and his Lega, Donald Trump or the Front National (I hope!). You are talking about Sarkozy, or Never Trump republicans, or John Major or David Cameron conservatives, the hypocritical mainstream rightwing that occasionally makes noise about immigration while doing nothing about it when in power. *That* rightwing is in trouble. Their gig is up. They no longer get more votes if they sit on their hands.
My analysis is completely different from yours.
The current, mainstream left (socialist parties) has since the days of Reagan/Thatcher morphed from champions of the working class to caviar left. They are no longer in touch with what used to be called the working class. Rather, they actively despise, hate the rubes. Economically, they have gone along with if not implemented the same “free trade” agreements that resulted in the deindustrialization of the West that did so much to throw the former proletariat into insecurity if not actual hard times. In addition, the left has embraced immigration from the third world that was in direct competition, not with academia or the media/culture types that now set the agenda for the “left”, but with… the working class. Not to mention that ordinary citizens have this deplorable attachment to their national culture, and are the ones who have to rub shoulders with an immigrant underclass that is often criminal, and… alien. So ordinary westerners know that they cannot expect any salvation from the left. It is pretty much on board with the economic agenda set by the right, and is not much more than a republican party with DIVERSITY! Hence, as everyone can notice, the socialist parties losing voters.
The traditional right has undergone another, different mutation. It used to champion the Nation, traditional values, faith. It has pretty much shed all of those trappings. It celebrates the globalization of the world, the Uber-ization and Nike-ization of the economy. The traditional right might now and then make noise about limiting immigration, but whenever it is in power, and as you point out, it does absolutely nothing. It is pretty much on board with the cultural and demographic agenda set by the left, and is not much more than a socialist party with lower taxes.
So it has dawned on ordinary citizens of the western world that NO PARTY IS ON THEIR SIDE. This is why we have witnessed the rise of populist parties (and the Trump phenom which is abhorrent to much of its own party). But the left is also seeing a split. We see in Sanders, in Corbyn, in Mélenchon a left that wants to split from, replace or take over its corporate-friendly mainstream party.
When you say that more immigration only leads to people voting for the right, it is incorrect. The people fed up with immigration no longer vote traditional right, they vote maverick right, populist right. And wouldn’t you know it, Salvini is actually taking drastic steps to reduce uncontrolled immigration with immediate results and growing popularity – which has you writing scathing, devastatingly disapproving essays.
Now on to austerity. No one likes austerity. Austerity is just a reminder to live within one’s means. And states’ spending has grown out of control. In part due to globalization, fiscal optimization by corporations, well-paying jobs being offshored to wherever labor is cheap and docile, revenues are down and there is a worrisome and growing fraction of the population that is not working that needs to be taken care of. Corporate tax revenues going down, expenses going up, and a plethora of new initiatives and rights and whatnot. So far government have been able to keep spending money they do not have by borrowing it and pretending everything is under control, pacifying discontents with pretend money. After now nearly 10 years of economic expansion, governments are still piling up deficits. What is going to happen if a recession hits? Contrary to what you assert, austerity is unpopular. Parties that still try to enforce a little fiscal discipline do get booted out of power, and another party voted in that brings back the punching bowl and keeps the party going. Free money! Try saying no! Won’t you have some more of this… free money? The truth is… we are poorer than we think. But we cannot bring ourselves to face reality.
Total number of deaths on the Mediterranean were down 40% in 2017
Numbers for 2018? 1074 deaths so far in 2018 over Italy, a fall by half over the 2185 in the same time frame in 2017 – that is because in 2017 Italy took some basic steps to discourage crossings. We can expect that number to fall a lot further since Italy has just announced it has equipped the Libyan Coast Gard with 4 ships.
One can notice that while the number of deaths towards Italy was going down significantly, the number of death over Spain has gone up, to 293 so far this year from 118 in the same time frame in 2017. We can expect the effect of the new socialist, pro-migrant spanish government: more deaths on the sea.
The numbers are impossible to ignore. Encourage crossings, get more drowned people. Discourage crossing: lives saved.
BTW the painting original name is “La Vérité sortant du puits armée de son martinet pour châtier l’humanité”. She is not out to shame mankind (or peoplekind as Justin Trudeau would correct us), but to punish it, chastise it, whip in hand.
I completely agree and I deplore and condemn the social engineering operations by NATO to “liberate oppressed people” and remove dictators in Libya and Syria. Those were other disasters by well-meaning (or so the charitable explanation goes) humanitarian progressives, led by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Yes, those operations generated chaos and human misery on a massive scale. But don’t conflate those operations with the general migrant problem in the Mediterranean. If you look at the countries that the migrants crossing the Mediterranean come from, Syrians or Libyans are a small minority. You got tons of people from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Nigeria, Ghana, Niger, Gambia, Senegal, Congo, Mali, Côte d’Ivoire, Pakistan, Bengladesh etc. None of them is fleeing bombs on their heads. None.
Italy to offer 12 patrol boats to the Libyan Coast Guard:
This is excellent news! From the link: “Sending back the migrants sends a clear message. It’s a waste of time and money to cross the sea. The idea that european ports are open encourages migrants to attempt crossing the Mediterranean. We are not against migration, but we are in favor of a legal immigration that would avoid suicide trips aboard rubber boats” explained Abu Ajila Abdelbari, captain of the Libyan Coast Guard
We can now expect the number of migrants drowning, that had already fallen dramatically when, much to the chagrin of soi-disant compassionate humanitarians, prodded and poorly equipped by Italy, the Libyan Coast Guard made half-assed attempts to stop the flow of migrants, to fall further dramatically.
The thousands of drowned migrants over the last few years could have been avoided if someone in charge had the willingness to do what common sense screamed: ignore the well-meaning but idiotic humanitarian bleeding hearts and just send a few boats to patrol the waters, and disrupt the business model of human traffickers.
If you deplore death in the Mediterranean, the australian example shows that the thing to do is to turn back the boats:
— Fraser Nelson (@FraserNelson) July 1, 2018
If you rescue (most of the time) people put on lousy dinghies barely off the coast of Libya by human traffickers and get them all the way to Europe, you encourage attempts – and people drowning. If you turn back boats, people don’t attempt the crossing and no one dies. Encouraging rescues is encouraging deaths.
We keep reading stories about villagers in Africa bleeding themselves in order to amass the 2000/3000/5000 euros for smuggler networks to get one of them to Europe and then what? Have that guy rot in a banlieue on welfare? This is a path to happiness? This is absurd!
The real solution to the immigration chaos is for these countries to get their act together. Japan did it a few decades ago. Taiwan, that used to be an agrarian society not really different from Vietnam, followed, along with Korea. China is joining them. THAT is the solution to the migrant crisis. Each country, each society taking care of its own. But this is not something that developed countries can do for them; it is up to each to find whatever inner resources, ingenuity, work, history, models and forge its own path to development. This is way harder and takes more time, but is also incredibly more rewarding and a source of pride than giving up and just sending all their populations to march to Europe or North America for the already overstretched welfare system of these countries to take care of. Arguing that emptying Africa into Europe is the only solution to the ills of the world is absurd. It only makes for unhappy immigrants, incapable of getting jobs, idle, misfits, sullen and resentful of the country they moved to, gathering in dreadful ghettos of welfare and criminality which generates a miror hostility in the host country while depriving the immigrant countries of human resources they would need to get on the path to development. Lose-lose-lose. If developped countries need to slam their doors shut so immigrant countries have to face their own deficiencies, so be it. It is incredibly more productive for rich countries to help third-worlders in their country of origin than it is in the way more expensive Europe. But they have had to cut down on international aid because they are now burdened with hundreds of thousands of migrants to lodge and feed at home.
The UK was a net contributor to the European Union budget. This should be a surprise to no one. No, the UK was not being subsidized by Poland, Estonia or Portugal. It was pouring about 10 billion pounds per year net to the EU coffers, 12.5 billion US$. As the UK exits the EU, this is money that will be available for spending wherever its government sees fit, and NHS could be it. The Guardian wailing as a banshee that there can be no such thing as a Brexit dividend is just casuistry, hairsplitting, smokescreen from the very same technocratico-mediatic class that was so adamantly opposed to it and is now so bitter about it. Yes there will be fresh money in the UK government coffers as soon as it disentangles itself from the EU, and yes it could go to the NHS.
Who are those elites? Donald Trump? Angela Merkel? Rachel Maddow? Matteo Salvini? Angelina Jolie? Bill Gates? Jean-Claude Juncker? Lebron James? Mark Zuckerberg? Vladimir Putin? Oprah Winfrey? Bernard-Henri Lévy? Who? We want names!
What sinister ‘final solution’ do you imagine they are up to? In what countries (not in a ware[sic] zone), exactly?
“The refugees are a direct result of U.S. war on the M.E. and North Africa”
I will lament the idiotic “humanitarian regime change operations” in Iraq, Libya and Syria. I will curse the idiotic war-mongering politicians that launched them, George W Bush, Tony Blair, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nicolas Sarkozy.
And yet, I will reiterate what I wrote last year in this very comment section last year: “the top country of origin of Mediterranean migrants are Guinea, Nigeria, Côte d’Ivoire and Bangladesh”. The migrants, for the most part, are NOT fleeing Syria or Libya. Guinea, Nigeria, Côte d’Ivoire and Bangladesh are NOT the theater of war by the US, they are not even part of the Middle-East and North Africa.
You are absolutely correct. In the Netherlands, one of the european countries with extremely low unemployment (3.9% last I checked), 89% of refugees are unemployed 2 and a half years after their arrival. Of those working, only 15% have a full-time job. There you have it: less than 2% have a full-time job, two and a half years after their arrival.
According to Jan van de Beek, researcher on dutch migrations, many migrants have had no decent education. According to him, the few jobs they qualify for are not interesting to them, since they can get as much or nearly so without doing anything.
The idea that these migrants are anything but a burden on the society they move to, unannounced, a burden that gets heavier and heavier month after month and year after year, is a pipedream. Unless kept in check, this phenomenon will continue until the standard of living in France or Italy is no better than the one in Nigeria or Morocco.
Take a bucket of pebbles, and pour them out to the ground. As they hit the ground, or each other, you will notice some of them travelling sideways at high speed. Things falling down may hit an obstacle that is off vertically from their center of gravity and ricochet sideways. The fact that you find this unexplainable by natural means is what is puzzling to me.
In other refugee news today: 10 kurdish refugees severely wounded by muslims in the Moria refugee camp because they were not fasting on Ramadan
In the Moria refugee camp on the island of Lesbos, Greece, clashes between Kurds and muslims left many Kurds wounded, 10 critically.
“I was fasting yesterday, yet some Arabs from Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Algeria came and said Rojava [Syrian Kurdistan] Kurds are infidels and don’t fast. Then the fight started. The refugee Arabs went and later came back together. A bloody fight happened,” said Mohammed Khalil, a 19-year-old Kurdish migrant from Kobane in Syria.
Moro Tarbush, a Syrian Kurdish refugee living in the aforementioned camp said the attackers used sticks and metal bars to severely beat a 60-year-old man, breaking his legs and feet.
Riot police arrived later and restored order in the camp, but tensions remained for hours. The Representative of the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) in Greece, Sarbast Mohammed, mentioned that 72 people, in total, were injured in the clashes and that Greek authorities had arrested three ethnically Arab suspects.
In a similar incident in Germany last year, a Syrian Arab refugee killed a Kurdish refugee in Oldenburg after he refused to fast during Ramadan, the Muslim’s holy month during which they avoid eating, drinking, and smoking at daytime.
*I* made no claim whatsoever. You did. You claimed that unknown persons sabotaged the euro. I asked for any sort of falsifiable information about that claim of yours. Who? When? How? Your only response is to collapse into babbling about zio-globalist agents. Thanks for clearing any doubts anyone could have about how much attention your claims deserve.
I am not asking anyone to be they! Just to let us know who “they” are.
You claimed knowledge about nefarious actions of mysterious money master people only known as “they”. I asked just who, specifically, these people are. Human beings tend to have names. Are “they” jewish bankers? Mark Zuckerberg? Reptilians? Elohim? Apparently, you have no idea. I asked what evidence you have. Crickets. How would you know? Crickets.
Names! Or it didn’t happen.
Who is “They”? Can you name them? We wnat names! And what evidence do you have that “they” set up the Euro so the ensuing chaos after its crash would benefit them?
A modern conspiracy theory often starts with the assumption of omniscience from malevolent overlords. “They could not NOT have known how it would turn out”. Hmm so the money masters were scheming years in advance to unleash a potentially catastrophic financial crisis with unpredictable effects because, what? In chaos lies opportunity? In chaos also lie financial assets being annihilated. Sorry, this makes no sense to me.
A school of fish turns on a dime in unison, and yet the fishes in it do not receive marching orders from a fish king. They just conform to what other fishes near them are doing. In the days of Europe construction, everyone who mattered was drunk on the same ideas. They would build the United States of Europe! They were creating a New European Man! They would ban war and conflict forever! Peace, Prosperity and Unity for all!
Oh actually, in those days there were some economists that argued that the expanded euro zone was far from an optimal currency area, and predicting the difficulties currently ripping through Europe. But those dour party poopers and their prosaic concerns about labour mobility or productivity differences within the euro zone were duly ignored if not trampled in the rush to the European Utopia.
Of course the story of aboriginal nations in Canada is extremely complex. But the basic problem remains. You have a relatively small population, fragmented in dozens of nations, scattered in hundreds of villages, of people who are often severely undereducated, living mostly far from any economic activities, sharing a country with a completely different population with a totally different culture and economic development. So of course cohabitation will be a challenge, and of course economic outcomes are going to be radically different.
What do you do if you have a sparse population of illiterate hunter-gatherers that live hundreds of kilometers away from the richer, more educated population able to provide health care and higher education? If you leave them alone then, since there is no economic activity that can generate any sort of the income needed for supporting a modern lifestyle, you will be excoricated for your racist neglect, for leaving a portion of your population in a backward (aka traditional) lifestyle. If you provide them with education and care down south with the goal of integrating them into the general population, there will be angry shouts calling you white supremacists and cultural genociders, you will have to apologize and you have got a lawsuit coming. If you go the separate, Indian hospital road, then there will be angry shouts about apartheid, you will have to apologize and you have got a lawsuit coming.
For many years I donated to Médecins Sans Frontières. They do a good job at providing emergency medical care in poor countries, but now they have apparently decided that they should be in charge of Europe’s immigration policy. So in 2017, for that reason, I stopped contributing.
Yes Italians have had enough. They have seen immigrants invade Italy, most of which have no claims to asylum. Having for the most part no hope of getting any sort of job, the refugees can only be a burden to the already crumbling italian welfare state while the others can at best hope to sell cheap counterfeit junk in piazze, hang around the stations harassing girls, selling drugs, mugging the weak for their phones and, occasionally, eviscerating and dismembering the odd young roman woman.
As a result, the socialists are down to 20-25%, the right – and indeed they are screaming bloody murder about immigration – around 35-40%, and the 5 stelle [that called for “an immediate stop to the sea-taxi service” bringing migrants to Europe] around 25-30% range.
So at the moment it is “Stop the out of control immigration before it destroys Italy” by a landslide.
A Nigerian attacks a young woman, dragging her by the hair and trying to push her in front of an incoming train. Fortunately, she could be rescued by onlookers.
Knife attack in Ireland by an 18 y.o. egyptian asylum seeker. One Japanese man dead, two Irishmen wounded.
Published: 08:11 EST, 3 January 2018
Fight in an asylum center. A Syrian refugee kills an Afghani.
A Morrocan asylum seeker armed with an axe still at large after having attacked and robbed several inhabitants of the city of Rees
On New Year’s Eve, gangs of North Africans spread terror by randomly attacking passersby near Ponte Vecchio
The Supreme Court upholds life sentence for Ramin Azimi, the afghan refugee who raped then burned alive his girlfriend
Julkaistu: 21.12. 9:34
Swedish Finance minister: Sweden failed at integrating immigrants.
Publicerad 21 dec 2017 kl 19.08
Swedish Finance minister Magdalena Andersson: we should have realized that we could not accept more than we can handle. Even with the current, lower numbers, Sweden struggles to provide acceptable conditions. Those people would have better luck by searching in another country
Knife fight in a refugee center sends one refugee to a hospital in a critical condition
26/12/2017 à 19h16
A 15 y.o. girl killed, stabbed by an afghan refugee.
28.12.2017 – 18:31 Uhr
What happens to migrants once they reach Europe? Well, here is a sample from the past few weeks:
15 dicembre 2017
Five tunisian migrants arrested for pillaging and setting their asylum center on fire. The 3 buildings are now unusable.
A 73 year old woman savagely beaten by an african migrant
A Syrian attacks his neighbour 2 months after being granted asylum in the UK
Monday 18 December 2017
Fahed Shamery reportedly told police and experts compiling psychiatric assessments that his actions would be “unremarkable” and “normal culture” in Syria.
actually, the number of migrants dying over the Mediterranean is down about 40% in 2017. This is because European countries and Libya, over the objections of bleeding heart humanitarian imbeciles, have finally taken some timid measures to discourage the human traffickers. Discouraging people from Africa and Asia from moving to Europe is the best way to minimize human loss of lives and prevent Europe from sinking ever lower into poverty, crime, crumbling social safety net and social unrest. Once illegal immigrants know it is futile to try to get to Europe, they will stop boarding those rafts AND NO ONE WILL DIE. Those who insist on taxiing the refugees from barely off the coast of Libya to Italy are the ones who have deaths on their conscience.
The article about British families being left poorer by a hard Brexit due to increased food prices is really so much fearmongering by the same technocratico-mediatic class that was adamantly opposed to the idea of Brexit in the first place. Apparently, short of an agreement with the EU the UK will have no choice but to slap high WTO tariffs on European food that the UK relies on much, and the substantial tariffs will translate into higher food prices. So far, so good. But the long, detailed analysis of the hardships imposed on the poorer sections of British society assumes that the UK government will collect billions of pounds of tariffs and then promptly set it on fire. In the real world, of course, the government has all the tools it needs to return that money to UK consumers. It can lower sales and value-added taxes, lower income tax, raise pensions and or jobseeker allowance and make sure that the tariffs are revenue-neutral to everyone. Painting an apocalyptic picture of poverty due to government collecting billions of new revenues and then doing nothing with it (what someone quoted in the article, it must be said, described as “in the absence of the government redistributing that money”) is crass demagoguery. Of course the goverment will do something with that money. Of course it will not sit on it. The authors of the report themselves don’t believe for a second the government would do nothing with that money. They should stop playing dumb, peddling crude agitprop and stop pretending to care for the poor.
Libya and Italy have recently severely restricted the ability of NGOs to come to the rescue of the smugglers of refugees from Libya to Italy, and taken measures to improve the protection of their borders. This was shrilly denounced by everyone, from Cecile Kyenge in the italian government, to the NGOs themselves, to bleeding-hearted humanitarians everywhere, including our very own Raúl Ilargi Meijer here in TAE. They said that trying to stem the flow was first of all completely futile – nothing would prevent millions fleeing what pro-refugees asserted was certain death from throwing themselves into the Mediterranean; and then that such policies would only result in very many more dead bodies being fished out of the sea.
Well the results are in. First of all, the number of refugees has dwindled markedly. And then the number of drowned refugees has fallen to… zero. World Migration Organization numbers say that there has not been a single drowned refugee for the past twenty days, something that had not occured since 2013. The repeated denegations and assertions that there is no such thing as a pull factor from NGO rescue missions have been proven wrong. Not only wrong, but shown to be actually causing human deaths. Yes, those arguing for more rescue operations in the Mediterranean were fools arguing for a policy resulting in more dead refugees. That is in addition to creating chaos and misery in Europe, in the unfortunate countries that were suddenly having to cope with the arrival of hundreds of thousands of people stranded in countries they did not know and in which they have an infinitesimal chance of being happy, productive members of society. The policy of encouraging and welcoming this lawless immigration in humongous numbers is only generating misery and chaos everywhere, and increasingly, hostility and hatred. Oh, it was well-meaning policy, absolutely. Which does not mean it was not completely demented.
It’s actually worse than that. The article has a graph of stagnating household incomes from the 40s to the present. But the graph makes no attempt to correct for an additional variable. In the 60s and 70s (and even 80s), there were many more women staying at home. Nowadays women work almost as much as men, and in better paying jobs than they used to have. Families have conscripted moms into the workforce, and, in spite of a second salary, their income barely did more than stay in place.
In migrant news this week:
Libya’s navy stands firm on respect for the Search And Rescue zone, whose access is forbidden to NGOs except on permission.
Ayoub Kassem, spokesman for the Libyan Navy: “In the past we have given them every chance. How often have we found them in our territorial waters? But now the time for warnings is gone. We have warned them, now we will apply the law. If the NGO ships vanish, so will migration.”
He warns NGOs : “you are not going to be allowed nearest territorial waters, because your absence is the only guarantee to shut off the migration flow and lower the number of victims among migrants.”
“The value of life, all life. must trump all else. Or else.”
The fallacy being that there is only one place on Earth where a human being can live, and that is Europe.
Meanwhile in this valley of tears we call Earth, previous immigrants from Morocco have been busy spreading joy and laughter in the streets of Barcelona. The only reasonable policy is to make sure that as many more of them as possible can be brought to Europe, as safely as possible.