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Granted, there are various levels of dumb acts and theories being passed as science. Spain mandating a law that says people have to wear a face mask when swimming in the sea is a extreme example. That not only has nothing to do with science, though undoubtedly they will say it’s based on it, it’s acutely dangerous. But there’s so much more.

I was reading the following for the New York Times (through local paper Kathimerini) this morning, and it gave me just about the right amount of anger. There are so many clowns out there that tell you they base their measures and restrictions on “the science”, but have no idea what that is. Injecting millions with untested substances is not science, it’s the opposite of science. Science would require evidence that such substances do not do harm (Hippocrates), and there is no such evidence.

And now we’re going to let those who have been “fully vaccinated” with these so-called vaccines, loose upon the world. What could go wrong? Well, thing is, we have no idea. The CDC is not alone in grossly botching their job, but they’re at the vanguard.


CDC Says Travel Is Safe For Those Fully Vaccinated, But Issues Caution

Americans who are fully vaccinated against Covid-19 can safely travel at home and abroad, as long as they take basic precautions like wearing masks, federal health officials announced Friday, a long-awaited change from the dire government warnings that have kept many millions home for the past year.

In announcing the change at a White House news conference, officials from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention stressed that they preferred that people avoid travel. But they said growing evidence of the real-world effectiveness of the vaccines — which have been given to more than 100 million Americans — suggested that inoculated people could do so “at low risk to themselves.”

The shift in the CDC’s official stance comes at a moment of both hope and peril in the pandemic. The pace of vaccinations has been rapidly accelerating across the country, and the number of deaths has been declining.

Yet cases are increasing significantly in many states as new variants of the coronavirus spread through the country. Just last Monday, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the CDC director, warned of a potential fourth wave if states and cities continued to loosen public health restrictions, telling reporters that she had feelings of “impending doom.”

Some public health experts were surprised by Friday’s announcement and expressed concern that the government was sending confusing signals to the public.

“It’s a mix of ‘please don’t travel’ at the same time this is easing travel for a subset of people,” said Dr. Wafaa El-Sadr, professor of epidemiology and medicine at Columbia Mailman School of Public Health. “I think it’s very confusing and goes counter to the message we heard earlier this week to ‘stay put,’ ‘hold on,’ ‘be patient.’ And that worries me. Public health messaging has to be very clear, very consistent, and it has to be very simple.”


Walensky herself seemed to acknowledge the apparent mixed messaging during Friday’s news conference. “The science shows us that getting fully vaccinated allows you to do more things safely, and it’s important for us to provide that guidance even in the context of rising cases,” she said.

[..] Federal officials remained adamant that people who have not been fully vaccinated should not travel at all, a position widely supported by public health experts.

“If you are fully vaccinated, you can return to travel, but if you are not, there is still a lot of virus circulating, and it is still a risky undertaking, and you should defer until you get vaccinated or the situation improves,” said Caitlin Rivers, a public health researcher and assistant professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

If unvaccinated people must travel, the CDC recommends they be tested for coronavirus infection one to three days before their trip and again three to five days after it is over. They should self-quarantine for seven days after a trip if they get tested and for 10 days if they do not get tested, the agency said.

People are considered fully vaccinated two weeks after receiving the single dose of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine or two weeks after receiving the second dose of either the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna shot. Some 58 million people in the US, 22% of the adult population, have been fully vaccinated, according to the latest numbers from the CDC.

Just over a fifth of Americans have been fully vaccinated, and most of those people are too old and frail or otherwise compromised to do much traveling. Great moment to come with travel guidance. Moreover, as this little table from the Lancet shows, 40% of people are protected by their antibodies for only 90 days, and 70% for only 125 days. And that’s not the worst of it: according to the Forbes article I drew that graph from,

Though the correlates for protection weren’t exactly cut and dry, a handful stood out as potentially significant. Most salient among these was disease severity, meaning the price of admission to the persistent group was poorer health outcomes overall. The more robust a patient’s antibody response, the greater the chance they previously developed pneumonia, needed supplemental oxygen, spent time in the intensive care unit, and so on. A more technical determinant was the avidity, or binding strength, between SARS-CoV-2 and IgG antibodies, which typically help form the basis of a longer-term immune protection.



That’s not a definitive word on antibodies, far from it, but that is exactly the problem. We simply don’t know, but some of us do pretend we do. Back to the “science”:

Scientists are still not certain whether vaccinated people may become infected, even briefly, and transmit the virus to others. A recent CDC study suggested such cases might be rare, but until that question is resolved, many public health officials feel it is unwise to tell vaccinated Americans simply to do as they please. They say it is important for all vaccinated people to continue to wear masks, practice social distancing and take other precautions.

How does that rhyme with Walensky’s “The science shows us that getting fully vaccinated allows you to do more things safely, and it’s important for us to provide that guidance even in the context of rising cases”? It is nonsense, that’s not what the science shows. All we have is a handful of experiments, theories and assumptions.

Under the new CDC guidance, fully vaccinated Americans who are traveling domestically do not need to be tested for the coronavirus or follow quarantine procedures at the destination or after returning home. When they travel abroad, they only need to get a coronavirus test or quarantine if the country they are going to requires it.

However, the guidance says they must have a negative coronavirus test before boarding a flight back to the United States, and they should get tested again three to five days after their return.

The recommendation is predicated on the idea that vaccinated people may still become infected with the virus. The CDC also cited a lack of vaccine coverage in other countries and concern about the potential introduction and spread of new variants of the virus that are more prevalent overseas.

The new advice adds to CDC recommendations issued in early March saying that fully vaccinated people may gather in small groups in private settings without masks or social distancing and may visit with unvaccinated individuals from a single household as long as they are at low risk for developing severe disease if infected with the virus.

Travel has already been increasing nationwide as the weather warms and Americans grow fatigued with pandemic restrictions. Last Sunday was the busiest day at domestic airports since the pandemic began. According to the Transportation Security Administration, nearly 1.6 million people passed through the security checkpoints at US airports.

If governments and their health boards like the CDC were actually interested in science, they would have campaigned starting a year or more ago, to boost the immune systems of their citizens. That is science. The impact of vitamin D on immune systems is science. The impact of healthy food is. The extra boost from ivermectin is. This could have saved millions of lives.

But your government did none of all that, so you’re on your own. Follow the science, not your goverment. They’re potentially dangerous for you, as are the “vaccines”. And yes, we get the notion of “fatigued with pandemic restrictions”, but stop calling your political calculations vis a vis that, science.




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    Vincent van Gogh Lilac Bush 1889     Granted, there are various levels of dumb acts and theories being passed as science. Spain mandating a
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    Come on Ilargi – you know that all this has absolutely nothing to do with science, viruses or vaccines.

    It’s all about the implementation of a digital ID on a smartphone.

    From the very beginning this entire charade has been a con trick.

    “The Big Lie: How COVID-19 became a disinformation operation wrapped in a virus”

    I’ve posted previously who the Chief Executive of the CommonPass project is.
    We know all about ID 2020
    The EU were talking about ‘vaccine’ passports long before Covid
    We all know about Event 201 – https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/

    Here again is what we’re looking at being implemented:

    Please – let’s not kid ourselves what is really going on here.



    Why are the enablers clamoring, shouting, and strutting, peacocking, parading, flouncing, flaunting to get the attention of the rifraf, irrelevant, people that have no power and no wealth?

    Those that have the power and the wealth have the enablers to make the laws, rules, and regulations that make the social order as they decree, announce, direct, instruct, proclaim, rule.

    Since when have those with power and wealth obeyed Moses and the 10 commandments?


    cloudhidden et al, if you’re still there

    I sent a mail to Shayam Solutions, this is their page at Indiamart:

    And of course their mail is shayamsolutions at gmail com.

    I have no part in this, I am just very grateful that they did what nobody else I contacted wanted to to.

    Polder Dweller


    I’m not the first to say this, but George Orwell’s book 1984 may have started out life as a disturbing novel about a dystopian future, only now it is being used as a blueprint by TPTB. Klaus Schwab gave plenty of hints in his recent Great Reset speech, and even Airstrip One has now been wrested from the clutches of Eurasia to become part of Oceania. If you want to know what happens next, you could do worse than re-read the book.

    Doc Robinson

    “Scientists are still not certain whether vaccinated people may become infected, even briefly, and transmit the virus to others.”

    That’s from the New York Times, and it’s misleading.

    There is 100% certainty that vaccinated people may become infected. This was known from the vaccine trials, before the EUA was issued. Real-life effectiveness was recently proclaimed to be 90%, which means that 10% of those vaccinated can still get infected. And the vaccine reduces their transmission potential by only 11% (so they are nearly as infectious to others as the non-vaccinated cases), according to a recent study.

    I posted the links to these studies earlier this week.

    Doc Robinson

    “Moreover, as this little table from the Lancet shows, 40% of people are protected by their antibodies for only 90 days, and 70% for only 125 days.”

    Just to clarify, that applies to patients who have recovered from COVID-19, whose resulting natural immunity is potentially longer-lasting, and more protective against different Covid strains (since their immune system reacts to the entire virus), than people who are vaccinated (whose immune systems react to a certain snippet of the virus).



    The more people are needed to execute a BIG PLAN, the less likely it is that there is such a plan. None is needed here. Both politicians and “experts” are way out of their league. That’s all you need. Sure, there are Schwabs and people like that, and there are some who see a golden opportunity, but they’re not what drives the incompetence. That was already there.


    @ Polder Dweller:

    Watch to the end – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXm5hklbBsA


    Ilargi – it’s more of a confluence of interests than one big plan.

    It’s many small plans all coming together simultaneously:

    Digital currencies, facial recognition, big data, genetically-based ‘vaccines, smart-phone apps. and a whole lot more.

    And very little of it is in our interests.

    They know that:
    1. financial/currency collapse is fast approaching,
    2. mass unemployment driven by automation is inevitable,
    3 climate-collapse driven mass migration from south to north is set to explode.
    4. we are about to go over the energy cliff.

    The UK Gov. has just enacted extraordinarily draconian police powers that, in effect, criminalise peaceful protest. Authoritarianism and militarism of the police is spreading across the west.

    Heed Naomi Klein’s warning: https://youtu.be/pWoDbGNt4wg

    And watch the film “Children of Men” for an idea of what my 17 year-old son’s future will look like:

    madamski cafone

    A simple explanatory concept: just as massive wide-spread competence, planning, shared intelligence, show striking more or less universal patters of cooperative behavior, so do mass incompetence, pipe-dreaming, shared folly.

    For example:

    “They know that:
    1. financial/currency collapse is fast approaching,
    2. mass unemployment driven by automation is inevitable,
    3 climate-collapse driven mass migration from south to north is set to explode.
    4. we are about to go over the energy cliff.”

    And yet, knowing all this, they do the dumbest craziest, most-divorced-from-reality shit imaginable… because they are entirely creatures of addictive habit, have been since at least young adulthood, and can only push agendas that serve those habits even when all logic and data show that doing so will fail, and they won’t be safe from the failure (cue National Guard troops around the D.C. Campus because some impressionably hotheads acted up).

    I repeat, both tiresomely and wearily, that part of paranoiac belief in Grand Plan Tyranny is a need to believe in authority’s power to rule… even if it does so tyranically. For if it didn’t, it would just be you and your neighbors, and we have no idea how to accomplish that in modern culture. We crave the subjection we denounce. A bipolar people, we are.

    We fear our neighbors, if only because they’ll bore us with their wearisome conspiracy theories or assertions that the CDC knows what it’s doing.


    @ Raul

    I will be using Shayam and will tell them that their extra mile efforts generated the sale.


    As for we the people: the people I talk to when I’m out and about are mostly ready to drop the masks and get on with it. It’s not just covid-weariness: we are now experiencing, finally, the genuine effects of the de facto deep dark dire depression (5 d words!) that was mostly postponed via the incontinent Federal Reserve.

    People aren’t liking the experience. Last Depression, the unrest was about to spill into major civil disobedience of the pitchforked torch variety (putting torch on a pitchfork was the medieval version of a light saber; my Liar’s Etymology says the slang for this was ‘tork” in 1350). In 1934, spontaneous mobs were gathering around city halls across the land. We’ve already seen this. Just because astroturf is now found in almost all grass roots movement doesn’t mean the movement isn’t real grass. You can spot the astroturfers. Their mamas dress them funny:


    Real civil disobedience is just beginning and will soon overwhelm any illusion of astroturf control that any ‘color revolutionaries’ indulge. But, unlike real grass, through wildfire burns quickly with miniomal damage and a revitalizing effect on the landscape, astroturf burns slow and hot with an almost China syndrome intensity, while spreading direly toxic fumes

    madamski cafone

    For those interested in certain psych tendencies, this person is, imo, uncommonly accurate, informed, and honest. A real psychopath’s psychopath:

    Athenas Walker, Professional Psychopath

    madamski cafone

    As for China: that system will also collapse. Russia, India, and Iran will perhaps bother themselves to annex resource rich Chinese provinces bordering them for awhile. Extract the good stuff, then exit.

    But China will probably get an artificial life extension if it can translate its world dominance in manufacturing into a dominant (but not sole) global foreign reserve currency. Give it an extra ten years. If it could do an honest reset, it would turn that into a new dynasty using systemic populace control to adjust, without collapsing into Warring States Redux,to the harsh new realities coming into play.

    But I don’t think that China’s institutions of authority are capable of integrating honesty into their modes of operation.

    As bad as it looks to be a Euromerican these days, it will be even worse to be Chinese in ten years, twenty at the most.


    Ha! Science they say. Hell, who knows,,,,maybe “science” will find a cure for the common cold some day. Until then, it’s Virus’ 1, Science 0.


    I have yet to see a good graphic of Western Plutocracy with all the wealth and power concentrated with a very few rich global families at the top and the masses below having less and less.

    I’ve seen it mentioned once but the reason so many children are risking death to cross the southern US border are the two hurricanes that hit Central America last year and famine stalking them.
    Government has done nothing to alleviate it. Joe Biden won’t force the children back into Mexico.

    My analogy is that modern Civilization is a Temple held up by finance, business, politics, military, science, education, agriculture, transportation and engineering pillars overseen by Priests and Mandarins. The problem is that finance has been allowed by the overseers to parasitize all the others and is passing wealth to itself weakening the rest to the point of collapse.

    COVIED-19 pandemic has become a means to enrich the pharmaceutical industry. This is needlessly causing the loss of life in nations without functional public health systems. It is culling of the hapless in nations that have no intention of implementing universal testing, contact tracing, and safe/free quarantines. The for-profit vaccines could fail due to mutant variants, an unknown long-term adverse reaction, short term immunity, jab avoidance due to cost/fear, and semi-annual booster shots.

    This is finally seeping into the politician’s consciousness. The US Capitol is not safe. They are failing to protect the lives, liberty and the pursuit of happiness of Americans. Economic distribution must be equable. Or it all falls apart.

    madamski cafone

    The PCR False Positive Pseudo-Epidemic. Dr. Mike Yeadon

    “The ease with which humans develop immunity to this virus is striking. Incidentally, it is this immune adeptness which has probably played an important role in why, against prior pessimism, many vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 have apparently ‘worked’ (though there is much to criticise about how efficacy has been defined, because a reduction in the propensity to become PCR positive has not previously been regarded as a leading indicator of the degree to which a vaccine will protect a population against severe illness).”

    And so forth.


    @ Ilargi….Thanks, got it
    And many many thanks for being there for this community of your readers.
    You bring us all together here daily..
    Thanks also to all of you who provide such rich reading and different perspectives

    @ Wes re off grid. Not necessary for us, but unplugged 9 years ago to avoid smart-meter. Self installed system, cost $20K CAD, Use small diesel generator for winter (sun below tree line and cloudy)

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