Nov 242023
 
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Jean-Michel Basquiat Self Portrait 1982

 

Hamas is Winning the Battle for Gaza (Scott Ritter)
Gaza: A Pause Before The Storm (Pepe Escobar)
IDF Knew Real Hamas HQ While Lying About al-Shifa (CN)
1,000 Boats To Leave Türkiye For Gaza In New ‘Freedom Flotilla’ (Palinfo)
How Zionists Rewrote the History of The Second World War (McCrae)
How the Democratic Party Faked an American Insurrection (Robert Bridge)
Zelensky Weighing Trump Peace Plan: ‘Time to Wrap This Conflict Up’ ? (Sp.)
2004, 2014, 2022: What Is Ukraine Celebrating? (Oncan)
Dems Fear Ukraine Might Not ‘Survive’ Until 2024 as House Halts Funding (Sp.)
Ukraine Has No One Left to Fight Because of Desertion (Sp.)
Pfizer Sues Poland Over Covid-19 Vaccine (RT)
Eurozone Economy ‘Stuck In The Mud’ – Economist (RT)
Germany to Choose Lifeline for Its Embattled Economy Over Ukraine Aid (Sp.)
Stark Warning Against UK Following Sweden By Going Cashless (Exp.)
European Lawmakers Vote For Abolition Of Member State Vetoes (RMX)
OpenAI Researchers Warned Board of AI Breakthrough Ahead of CEO Ouster (R.)

 

 

 

 

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Dr. Areilla Oppenheim from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, did the first extensive DNA study in 2001 on Israelis and Palestinians, and concluded that emigrants on ships to Palestine before it became Israel were 40% Mongolian and 40% Turkish. There was no Semitic blood…

 

 

Ray McGovern: They Killed JFK, Will We Let Them Kill Peace?

 

 

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Nap Celente

 

 

Joe Lauria: “Is it any coincidence that a 4-day ceasefire allowing cameras to show food trucks delivering aid to Gazans coincides with the 4-day Thanksgiving holiday, when Americans often debate politics and won’t be confronted with images of genocide and deprivation as they overeat? The killing will resume when they go back to work on Monday.”

 

 

Actress Melissa Barrera is fired from the next Scream film sequel for daring to speak for the persecuted #Palestinians – “I’d rather be excluded for who I include, than be included for who I exclude.”

 

 

If you think the pope is pro-Palestinian, wait until you meet Jesus.

 

 

 

 

“..Hamas baited a trap for Israel which the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu predictably rushed into.”

Hamas is Winning the Battle for Gaza (Scott Ritter)

When Hamas launched its October 7 attack on Israel, it initiated a plan years in the making. The meticulous attention to detail that was evident in the Hamas operation underscored the reality that Hamas had been studying the Israeli intelligence and military forces arrayed against it, uncovering weaknesses that were subsequently exploited. The Hamas action represented more than sound tactical and operational planning and execution—it was a masterpiece in strategic conceptualization as well. One of the main reasons behind the Israeli defeat on October 7 was the fact that the Israeli government was convinced that Hamas would never attack, regardless of what the intelligence analysts charged with watching Hamas activity in Gaza were saying. This failure of imagination came about by Hamas having identified the political goals and objectives of Israel (the nullification of Hamas as a resistance organization by undertaking a policy built on “buying” Hamas through an expanded program of work permits issued by Israel for Palestinians living in Gaza.)

By playing along with the work permit program, Hamas lulled the Israeli leadership into complacency, allowing Hamas’ preparations for their attack to be carried out in plain view. The October 7 attack by Hamas was not a stand-alone operation, but rather part of a strategic plan possessing three main objectives—to put the issue of a Palestinian state back on the front burner of international discourse, to free the thousands of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel, and to compel Israel to cease and desist when it came to its desecration of the Al Aqsa Mosque, Islam’s third holiest place. The October 7 attack, on its own, could not achieve these outcomes. Rather, the October 7 attack was designed to trigger an Israeli response which would create the conditions necessary for Hamas’ objectives to reach fruition. The October 7 attack was designed to humiliate Israel to the point of irrationality, to ensure that any Israeli response would be governed by the emotional need for revenge, as opposed to a rational response designed to nullify the Hamas objectives.

Here, Hamas was guided by the established Israeli doctrine of collective punishment (known as the Dahiya Doctrine, named after the West Beirut suburb that was heavily bombed by Israel in 2006 as a way of punishing the Lebanese people for Israel’s failure to defeat Hezbollah in combat.) By inflicting a humiliating defeat on Israel which shattered both the myth of Israeli invincibility (regarding the Israel Defense Forces) and infallibility (regarding Israeli intelligence), and by taking hundreds of Israelis hostage before withdrawing to its underground lair beneath Gaza, Hamas baited a trap for Israel which the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu predictably rushed into.

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“South Africans do know a thing or two about apartheid. They, like other critics of Israel, better be extra wary moving forward.”

Gaza: A Pause Before The Storm (Pepe Escobar)

While the world cries “Israeli genocide,” the Biden White House is gushing over the upcoming Gaza truce it helped broker, as though it’s actually “on the verge” of its “biggest diplomatic victory.” Behind the self-congratulatory narratives, the US administration is not remotely “wary about Netanyahu’s endgame,” it fully endorses it – genocide included – as agreed at the White House less than three weeks before Al-Aqsa Flood, in a 20 September meeting between Israeli President Benjamin Netanyahu and Joe “The Mummy” Biden’s handlers. The US/Qatar-brokered “truce,” which is supposed to go into effect this week, is not a ceasefire. It is a PR move to soften Israel’s genocide and boost its morale by securing the release of a few dozen captives. Moreover, the record shows that Israel never respects ceasefires.

Predictably, what really worries the US administration is the “unintended consequence” of the truce, which will “allow journalists broader access to Gaza and the opportunity to further illuminate the devastation there and turn public opinion on Israel.” Real journalists have been working in Gaza 24/7 since October 7 – dozens of whom have been killed by the Israeli military machine in what Reporters Sans Frontieres calls “one of the deadliest tolls in a century.” These journalists have spared no effort to go all the way to “illuminate the devastation,” a euphemism for the ongoing genocide, shown in all its gruesome detail for the entire world to see. Even the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine (UNRWA), itself relentlessly attacked by Israel, revealed – somewhat meekly – that this has been “the largest displacement since 1948,” an “exodus” of the Palestinian population, with the younger generation “forced to live through traumas of ancestors or parents.”

As for public opinion all across the Global South/Global Majority, it “turned” long ago on Zionist extremism. But now the Global Minority – populations of the collective west – are watching raptly, horrified, and bitter that in just six weeks, social media has exposed them to what mainstream media hid for decades. There will be no turning back now that this penny has dropped. The South African government has paved the path, globally, for the proper reaction to an unfolding genocide: parliament voted to shutter the Israeli embassy, expel the Israeli ambassador, and cut diplomatic ties with Tel Aviv. South Africans do know a thing or two about apartheid. They, like other critics of Israel, better be extra wary moving forward.

Anything can be expected: an outbreak of foreign intel-conducted “terra terra terra” false flags, artificially induced weather calamities, fake “human rights abuse” charges, the collapse of the national currency, the rand, instances of lawfare, assorted Atlanticist apoplexy, sabotage of energy infrastructure. And more. Several nations should have by now invoked the Genocide Convention – given that Israeli politicians and officials have been bragging, on the record, about razing Gaza and besieging, starving, killing, and mass-transferring its Palestinian population. No geopolitical actor has dared thus far. South Africa, for its part, had the courage to go where few Muslim and Arab states have ventured. As matters stand, when it comes to much of the Arab world – particularly the US client states – they are still in Rhetorical Swamp territory.

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They simply want all hospitals gone, make the strip unlivable.

IDF Knew Real Hamas HQ While Lying About al-Shifa (CN)

Although corporate news media have made it clear they don’t buy the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) claim that al-Shifa Hospital has been a cover for a Hamas command and control center and weapons armory, Western media have failed to report a much bigger story. The IDF and the Israeli government already knew when they launched their propaganda campaign about al-Shifa that Hamas had no military command and control facility hidden there because it had already found the complex kilometers away. As Consortium News reported last week, for 15 years the Israelis claimed Hamas was operating its primary command and control base from a tunnel underneath al-Shifa. After the Israeli bombing campaign against Gaza began in October, the Israeli military amplified that message to press its contention that by hiding the Hamas high command, al-Shifa Hospital had lost its immunity from military operations under the law of war, and could now legitimately be taken over by force.

On Nov. 11, IDF spokesman Richard Hecht declared that al-Shifa was the “main hub of Hamas activity;” Newsweek reported the IDF regarded al-Shifa Hospital as “Hamas’s main command post” and the Times of Israel headlined “Hamas leaders again hiding under hospital”. The crescendo of Israeli propaganda about al-Shifa being a “human shield” for Hamas came with a long report published by The New York Times on Nov. 14. It was based on interviews with eight present and former intelligence and defense officials, describing a vast military command complex under al-Shifa with multiple levels. But something quite unexpected had happened during this new round of press stories on al-Shifa that completely demolished the entire IDF story line: the IDF had gained control of the real Hamas command and control center in an area where the Hamas leadership had previously had their above-ground offices in the Al Atatra neighborhood, in the extreme northwest of Beit Lahiya city, 8.5km away from al-Shifa.

After that office building was demolished, the IDF discovered a major tunnel facility that was quite certain had been the central headquarters for the Hamas high command — the command and control center for the entire war. As the IDF leaked to The Jerusalem Post in a story published Nov. 14, the discovery was made “several days ago” of a tunnel with an elevator that reached thirty meters underground, compared with only five meters underground in other tunnels. Furthermore it had been equipped with oxygen, air conditioning and more advanced communications than seen anywhere else. That major IDF discovery, made on or before the Nov. 11 false stories about al-Shifa, threatened to undermine the Israeli political campaign to justify the IDF’s takeover and destruction of Gaza’s hospitals on the grounds that they were “human shields” for Hamas.

Al-Shifa Hospital was the centerpiece of that campaign, based on the claim that it was hiding the high command of Hamas in a tunnel underneath it. Obviously the IDF and the extreme right-wing Israel government would want to stop all further publicity about the discovery of the actual Hamas high command’s underground base. No story about the discovery of the real Hamas high command bunker has been published inside Israel or elsewhere in the nearly two weeks since the detailed Jerusalem Post piece on Nov. 14. Somehow the Israeli government and media have been able to completely suppress the discovery of the Hamas headquarters, despite the fact that a number of foreign news media have offices in Tel Aviv and the story is still available on the internet.

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“..the boats will carry 4,500 people from 40 countries, “including anti-Zionist Jews.”

1,000 Boats To Leave Türkiye For Gaza In New ‘Freedom Flotilla’ (Palinfo)

Approximately 1,000 boats have gathered in Türkiye on Wednesday before heading toward Gaza in an attempt to break the Israeli blockade in a similar attempt from over a decade ago. In an interview with Turkish news website Haber7, Volkan Okçu, one of the organizers of the protest, indicated the boats will carry 4,500 people from 40 countries, “including anti-Zionist Jews.” Among the 1,000 vessels would be 313 boats filled with Russian activists, and 104 filled with Spanish activists, he said. Only 12 Turkish vessels will join the flotilla, he told Haber7. However, Okçu said in a later tweet that he expected the number of Turkish vessels to be much higher.

The activist indicated to Haber7 that the flotilla is scheduled to leave Turkish coasts on Thursday. The maritime convoy is set to make a first stop in Cyprus before continuing toward the Israeli port of Ashdod. Some participants in the flotilla will also reportedly take their spouses and children on board.

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“Hitler sought to radicalise Muslims for jihad against the British and French colonial powers, as had the Kaiser in the First World War.”

How Zionists Rewrote the History of The Second World War (McCrae)

The truth about the relationship between the Third Reich and the Jews is more complicated than the induced horror of a trip to Auschwitz. Robert Oulds, in his masterpiece, World War II: the First Culture War (2023), describes what happened in Palestine, a less-known yet dramatic theatre of the Second World War. In the 1930s Hitler had supported a Jewish homeland, as was already emerging since the Balfour Declaration of 1917. But the Holy Land around Jerusalem was keenly contested. The British had suppressed the Arab Revolt of 1936 to 1939, but Palestine and the wider Middle East were volatile.. Hitler sought to radicalise Muslims for jihad against the British and French colonial powers, as had the Kaiser in the First World War. As Oulds explains: ‘Hitler planned to use Crete as a steppingstone to reach Cyprus and from there take Palestine from the British and Zionists who were in the process of colonising the Mandate.’

The Zionist paramilitary organisation, the Stern Gang, sought cooperation with the Nazis, to liberate Palestine from British control, but their overtures were coolly received. Hitler favoured the Arab nationalists. Meanwhile, twelve thousand Palestinians, mostly but not exclusively Christian, had volunteered to serve in the British army. According to Oulds, ‘the Nazis admired Islam because its adherents were prepared to sacrifice their lives for their cause. Furthermore, as the Nazis were opponents of Judeo-Christian heritage, they thought that Islam could be a useful tool in undermining the traditions which the National Socialists despised.’ Ironically, this was similar to the aim of the Frankfurt School, whose Cultural Marxist professors were predominantly of the Jewish intelligentsia targeted by Hitler.

Muslims, particularly from the Caucasus, Bosnia and the Crimean Tatars, were recruited to the Waffen SS. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem helped the Germans in this regard. However, Hitler’s Middle-Eastern endeavour was unsuccessful. Zionists showed little gratitude to the British for the initiation of the Jewish state. The Stern Gang killed about two hundred servicemen, many of whom had fought bravely in the North African desert against Rommel’s army. In 1946, ninety-one people died in the bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, site of the British administrative headquarters. Twenty-eight lives were lost, including five British soldiers, in an attack on the El Kantara to Haifa express train in 1947. Other violent campaigns of terror and ethnic cleansing were waged by other Jewish terrorist organisations, including the Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi.

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“And just like that the J6 Committee’s violent insurrection narrative has crumbled..”

How the Democratic Party Faked an American Insurrection (Robert Bridge)

“Truth and transparency are critical,” Johnson said in a prepared statement. “This decision will provide millions of Americans, criminal defendants, public interest organizations, and the media an ability to see for themselves what happened that day, rather than having to rely upon the interpretation of a small group of government officials.” Democrats, however, who have milked the ‘insurrectionist’ narrative for everything it is worth, predictably chafed at the release, calling it a ‘risk to national security.’ “It is unconscionable that one of Speaker Johnson’s first official acts as steward of the institution is to endanger his colleagues, staff, visitors, and our country by allowing virtually unfettered access to sensitive Capitol security footage,” said New York Democrat Rep. Joseph Morelle, who sits on the Committee on House Administration. “That he is doing so over the strenuous objections of the security professionals within the Capitol Police is outrageous. This is not transparency; this is dangerous and irresponsible.”

For almost two years, Democrats, who managed to cherry-pick the most suggestive scenes of the footage, portrayed January 6th as everything from another September 11 to a second Pear Harbor. Last year, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC), the photogenic member of the Democrat’s radical progressive wing, was shown visibly upset after having to “relive” the events of the Capitol riot. “I am so angry. Having to relive that footage,” she sobbed, rubbing her forehead. “I know it’s not just me. This is everyone.” “These attacks killed people, traumatized people and for any of you right-winger Trump loyalists, he sent his own people to jail, and promised his own people that he would pardon them.” The inconvenient truth, however, is that only one person was killed on the day of the Capitol riot – unarmed Air Force veteran and avid Trump supporter, Ashli Babbitt, who was shot by a police officer.

Now, Republicans are demanding justice be served and that the incarcerated protesters be immediately set free. “And just like that the J6 Committee’s violent insurrection narrative has crumbled,” said conservative commentator Charlie Kirk over X (formerly Twitter). “The Capitol Police facilitated the protesters passage through the building…the vast majority of J6ers should be immediately released.” However, with the Democrats still in control of Washington, D.C., together with the FBI, the Justice Department and other administrative offices, the Republicans will have to wait until November 4th – and possibly longer if they lose their White House bid – before any real justice is meted out. Meanwhile, federal officials have said there is no evidence that law enforcement officials helped coordinate the attacks.

“If you are asking whether the violence at the Capitol on January 6 was part of some operation orchestrated by FBI sources or agents the answer is emphatically no,” FBI Director Christopher Wray told Rep. Clay Higgins (R-La.) during a House Committee hearing. Higgins was questioning Wray about two Greyhound buses he said dropped off FBI agents dressed as Trump supporters at the Capitol on January 6, referring to the vehicles as “ghost buses.” Whatever the case may be, the fresh revelations were a silver lining in a shitstorm that has been following Donald Trump, who hopes to win back the White House next November despite multiple legal woes. “Congratulations to Speaker of the House Mike Johnson for having the Courage and Fortitude to release all of the J6 Tapes, which will explicitly reveal what really happened on January 6th!” Trump wrote on Truth Social Friday.

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“Buying a ticket to the Trump Circus could really backfire for Zelensky..”

Zelensky Weighing Trump Peace Plan: ‘Time to Wrap This Conflict Up’ ? (Sp.)

In a recent interview with US media, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky signaled a belated interest in a peace proposal pitched earlier this year by former US President Donald Trump. In June, before a failed Ukrainian counteroffensive and a renewed Russian offensive, Zelensky had appeared incredulous at the suggestion of a negotiated settlement. In May, Trump claimed he “would have that war settled in one day, 24 hours” if he were president, saying he would sit down with both Zelensky and Russian President Vladimir Putin, both of whom “have their weaknesses.” The following month, as Ukraine was preparing to launch a highly anticipated counter-offensive, Zelensky told a US newspaper he “couldn’t understand” Trump’s statement, noting that in the four years Trump was in the White House, he didn’t secure the return of Crimea – by then part of the Russian Federation following its secession from Ukraine – or the Donbass – then governed by the autonomous People’s Republics that had not yet been recognized by Moscow – to Ukrainian control.

However, the Ukrainian counteroffensive fell flat on its face, failing to secure all but the most meager of territorial gains for Ukraine at an appalling human and materiel cost, and now Russian forces have launched their own operations aimed at pushing Ukrainian forces out of claimed Russian territories. Speaking with a US television news outlet on Tuesday, Zelensky said he was “ready” to hear Trump’s proposal. “Let’s speak with him and give him this possibility to show what steps [are] of his peace formula,” Zelensky said. “He can share it with me,” the Ukrainian leader said. “Yes, we can stop this war if we will give Russia Donbass and Crimea, to my mind that our country will not be ready for that such [a] peace plan. That is not [a] peace plan.” However, earlier this month, Zelensky told another US news outlet that he would only need “24 minutes” to explain to Trump “that he can’t manage this war … he can’t bring peace because of Putin.”

The US has already funneled more than $113 billion in aid to Kiev since Russia’s special operation began in February 2022, according to US government statistics, and Biden has called on Congress to approve a massive $61.4 billion aid bill. On Monday, US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin traveled to Kiev and declared the US would “continue to stand with Ukraine” and “will continue to support Ukraine’s urgent battlefield needs and long-term defense requirements.” Michael Shannon, a political commentator and Newsmax columnist, told Sputnik on Wednesday that Zelensky’s shift toward Trump was a risky intervention into US domestic politics that could seriously backfire. “It’s beginning to look like Zelensky’s blank check for US financial and military support has been returned for insufficient funds. The attitude on the part of the Biden administration and the left has been changing from ‘fighting to the last Ukrainian’ to ‘maybe it’s time to wrap this conflict up,’” Shannon told Sputnik.

“You can see evidence of this change in the coverage of the diplomatic portion of the conflict,” he noted. “The Regime Media is discussing negotiations without the previous preconditions. Zelensky can read the room and may be thinking that listening to Trump will signal an openness to alternative outcomes for the war.” However, Shannon also floated the opposite possibility: that Zelensky sees this maneuver as a ploy to provoke the White House into doubling down on support for Ukraine. “Or, it could be that Zelensky knows Trump is absolutely toxic to the Biden administration and he hopes that by meeting with Trump it will make a negotiated peace at this time anathema to the administration,” he explained. “Call it a ‘diplomatic bank shot’ if you will. A very risky bank shot. Zelensky would have been smarter to continue to ignore Trump.”

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Not much left to celebrate..

2004, 2014, 2022: What Is Ukraine Celebrating? (Oncan)

The catalyst for the Maidan coup, as it is now known, was the suspension of the association process with the EU by the Ukrainian government on November 21, 2013. Allegations of corruption further fueled pro-Western actions. A symbolic moment occurred on December 8 of the same year when the Lenin statue in Kiev was demolished, signaling a transformative shift for Ukraine. The activists leading the Maidan protests were primarily figures associated with Ukraine’s Western-backed ultra-nationalist and neo-Nazi movements. The Social-Nationalist Party, founded in 1991 and later renamed Svoboda (ironically meaning “Freedom”), played a significant role in the 2014 protests through its youth organization, Ukrainian Patriot.

Notably, neo-Nazi figure Andrey Biletskiy, founder of Trizub (established in 2002 and later transformed into the Azov Battalion), symbolizes the character of the Maidan regime, having been imprisoned for demolishing the Lenin statue in 2011 but subsequently released to enter parliament after the coup. Dmitry Yarosh, the founder of Praviy Sektor and a manager of Trizub, emerged as a leading figure in neo-Nazi organizations during and after the Maidan protests. Yarosh further gained influence as the chief advisor to the Chief of General Staff of Ukraine. The United States, a major international supporter of the Maidan protests, was notably represented by Victoria Nuland, who, as the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, distributed cookies to Ukrainian activists during the ongoing protests. Nuland’s involvement in shaping the post-coup administration, coupled with the claim that the USA spent $5 billion on Ukraine over two decades, highlighted the significant U.S. role.

The strong U.S. support for the Maidan coup also found expression in the appointment of Hunter Biden, the son of then-U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, to the board of directors of Burisma, Ukraine’s largest energy company. Following the coup, the ultra-nationalist government’s initial actions aimed to erase the Soviet past, suppress Russian cultural presence, and undertake moves against Russians in the country. The Ukrainian administration implemented measures such as banning the Russian language in public spaces, erecting statues of Nazi collaborators (particularly Bandera), designating their birthdays as public holidays, equalizing the status of Red Army veterans and members of Nazi collaborator organizations, official affiliation of neo-Nazi groups with the Ukrainian army, and the banning, persecution, and killing of members of the Communist Party and socialist organizations.

Russians, predominantly located in the east of the country, formed anti-fascist unions and engaged in Anti-Maidan actions to protect against attacks. This resistance led to the establishment of the Federal State of Novorossiya, comprising the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics. Despite the Minsk protocol signed by Ukraine, Russia, Donetsk, Lugansk, and OSCE representatives for a ceasefire, Ukrainian forces persisted in their attacks. A protracted war ensued, exacerbated by the special military operation launched by Russia.

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Make peace you fools.

Dems Fear Ukraine Might Not ‘Survive’ Until 2024 as House Halts Funding (Sp.)

The crisis in the Middle East, the possibility of a government shutdown, and the election of a new House speaker have shifted Washington’s attention away from Ukraine, with officials in the Pentagon and civilian agencies sending increasingly desperate warning signals that they’re running out of cash to sink into NATO’s proxy war against Russia. White House officials and Democratic lawmakers lobbying for the extension of US economic and military assistance to Ukraine have sounded the alarm over GOP House Speaker Mike Johnson’s perceived foot-dragging in setting up a vote on the issue. Citing recent attempts to include Ukraine funding into omnibus, must-pass funding measures, Democratic lawmakers pointed out that the next stopgap funding bill won’t be coming until late January or early February of 2024, and expressed fears about whether Kiev can hold out for that long.

“I don’t know that Ukraine can survive until February of 2024,” Democratic Senator Chris Murphy told Beltway media this week. “My sense is they start to run short of ammunition in the next several weeks.” “We have to bear down, get this done and get this supplemental passed soon because the brave Ukrainians who are fighting as winter is coming are looking at losing the supplies they’ve needed for ammunition, for missiles, for drones, for defense, for armor, and we cannot possibly afford to abandon Ukraine,” his colleague, Democratic Senator Chris Coons concurred. Johnson and his conservative Republican colleagues in the House of Representatives torpedoed President Joe Biden’s proposed $105 billion all-in-one funding bill this month containing money for Ukraine, Israel, cash for US brinksmanship with China in the Pacific, and the border crisis, instead pushing through a stopgap measure preventing a government shutdown and assuring funding for government services, but not a cent more.

The bill passed the Senate, and President Biden reluctantly signed it, despite earlier threats by the White House to veto the measure. For the Pentagon and US civilian agencies tasked with doling out cash to Kiev, Johnson’s reluctance to tee up a vote on Ukraine poses a real danger, with US military officials warning earlier this month that there was only about $1 billion remaining in the Ukraine war chest, and a USAID administrator revealing that its funds for direct budgetary support were all gone. “Without further appropriations, the government of Ukraine would need to use emergency measures such as printing money or not paying critical salaries, which could lead to hyperinflation, and severely damage the war effort,” USIAD assistant administrator Erin McKee said in congressional testimony earlier this month.

Senior White House aides informed media that part of the administration’s problem with Johnson is that it “does not yet have a clear read” on the politician’s negotiating style, and expressed concerns that the speaker may not be as malleable as his predecessor, Kevin McCarthy to backroom side deals (which helped culminate in McCarthy’s ouster).

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“Ukrainian prisons are currently holding at least a few brigades of deserters. Their motive is clear: fear of death..”

Ukraine Has No One Left to Fight Because of Desertion (Sp.)

The botched counteroffensive has caused the Kiev regime a serious shortage of human resources for mobilization, not to mention growing questions from Kiev’s Western allies and donors as to what they are actually providing money and weapons for. In 2021, the Prosecutor General’s Office of Ukraine initiated 117 criminal cases for desertion. Another 2,028 cases were classified as “unauthorized leaving of a military unit or place of service,” meaning that individuals left their units with the intention of returning. In addition, there were 33 cases of self-inflicted injuries.In the first nine months of this year, 4,638 soldiers deserted from the Ukrainian Armed Forces, 10,940 temporarily left service, and there were 161 cases of self-harm. Deserters face sentences of five to eight years in prison. In some instances, these cases often end with a pretrial agreement and a suspended sentence.

Ukrainian prisons are currently holding at least a few brigades of deserters. Their motive is clear: fear of death. Local media reported that a Russian missile destroyed several dozen soldiers in their barracks. One survivor fled, taking his rifle with him. His friends say he surrendered as a PoW. Nevertheless, he was sentenced to eight years in prison. Another soldier left his position after it was shelled, but returned later. He was sent to a military psychiatrist. He did not fully recover, disappeared again, then was arrested and sentenced to 2.5 years in prison. Another deserter admitted in court that he feared for his life during the attack on Liman. According to him, the operation was poorly planned and lacked fire support. Sentence: five years. Some try to flee abroad. In July, a deserter was caught on the border with Romania. He was also sentenced to five years.

They are also sent to penal battalions. This is not widely publicized, but it happens. At the front, however, they only trust those who surrendered at the first opportunity, and now they are only assigned to construction work. Officers are punished for the desertion of subordinates. Therefore, if a soldier declares that he would rather go to jail than face bullets, he will be kept in the rear. However, fatigue from the fighting is mounting for everyone. Losses are enormous and finding replacements are problematic. Many combat units are 30-40 percent short of personnel. Almost everywhere, there are hidden desertions. Soldiers, sergeants, and officers feign illness and try to stay at headquarters and in rear units – anything to avoid the front lines. And then “psychologists” rush to help, complaining that many people live by the principle “see no evil, hear no evil,” so the state should intensify propaganda.

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Reminder: Von der Leyen “negotiated” with Bourla on WhatsApp (or a similar app) , because she was not required to save such talks.

Pfizer Sues Poland Over Covid-19 Vaccine (RT)

US pharmaceutical giant Pfizer has escalated its feud with Poland over excess Covid-19 vaccine doses that were ordered under a massive contract with the European Union, filing a lawsuit to demand payment for 60 million jabs that Warsaw didn’t need. The case was filed this week in Brussels, demanding 6 billion zloty ($1.5 billion) for the vaccines that Poland’s government declined after it stopped taking delivery of the jabs in April 2019. Warsaw was locked into buying its share of Covid-19 inoculations under a controversial contract that the European Commission signed with Pfizer in 2021 on behalf of EU nations. The bloc wound up ordering 1.1 billion doses under the contract, saddling EU states with a vaccine glut as the Covid-19 pandemic waned.

The EU prosecutor’s office announced an investigation of the procurement process amid allegations of corruption and secret backroom dealings. Polish officials questioned the role of European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen in making the deal. Von der Leyen admitted to privately communicating with Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla for weeks during the contract negotiations, but the European Commission said last year that her text exchanges with the executive could not be found. The first hearing in Pfizer’s lawsuit is scheduled to take place on December 6. The company offered earlier this year to give the EU more time to complete its minimum vaccine purchases under the binding contract, but it insisted that it eventually be paid for the full number of doses to which the bloc committed. Poland refused to sign on to a revised EU agreement with the drugmaker.

Polish Health Minister Katarzyna Sojka told broadcaster TVN24 on Wednesday that there is some hope of resolving the Pfizer lawsuit “in a positive way.” She noted that Warsaw is not alone in the issue, as other EU states will face similar lawsuits. Pfizer decided to go forward with the lawsuit “following a prolonged contract breach and a period of discussions in good faith between the parties,” a company spokesman told Politico. Millions of Poles refused to receive Covid-19 vaccines, and Warsaw halted deliveries of the jabs as an influx of Ukrainian refugees in early 2022 strained the government’s finances.

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“The situation is especially dire in the Eurozone’s two largest economies, Germany and France..”

Eurozone Economy ‘Stuck In The Mud’ – Economist (RT)

The lingering economic downturn in the Eurozone signals that the region may plunge into a recession by the end of the year, Bloomberg reported on Thursday, citing economists and private-sector activity surveys. According to S&P Global, the purchasing managers’ index (PMI) in the region continued to shrink in November, plunging to 47.1 points, the sixth consecutive monthly reading below 50 – the threshold separating contraction from growth. The same trend was seen in both manufacturing and services. “The Eurozone economy is stuck in the mud,” Hamburg Commercial Bank chief economist Cyrus de la Rubia told the news outlet. According to the expert, everything points to “a second consecutive quarter of shrinking GDP” after a 0.1% drop in gross domestic product in the previous quarter, which would constitute a technical recession.

The situation is especially dire in the Eurozone’s two largest economies, Germany and France, de la Rubia said, noting that both are “in the grip of considerable weakness.” While Germany’s contraction somewhat eased in November and private-sector activity shrank at a slower pace than in the previous month, the country remains “in recession territory” and its economy may return to growth no sooner than next year, the analyst predicted. The state of affairs in France, meanwhile, was even worse, with the country’s PMI little changed at 44.5. Both manufacturing and services are suffering from weak demand, while the surge in unused business capacity triggered the first decline in private-sector employment in three years. This put the country’s economy “in a kind of a dead-end,” according to another economist at Hamburg Commercial Bank, Norman Liebke. Inflation in both France and Germany remained far above target levels and is unlikely to decrease sufficiently enough to stop weighing on their economies in the short term, de la Rubia said.

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They didn’t choose, the Federal Constitutional Court made the choice for them.

Germany to Choose Lifeline for Its Embattled Economy Over Ukraine Aid (Sp.)

The German Finance Ministry has announced a freeze on almost all new spending approvals for 2023, permitting only current liabilities and exceptional new obligations, after a Federal Constitutional Court ruling questioned the legality of several hundred billion euros in special funds. Berlin is facing a tough choice between financial support for German businesses and continuing to waste money on the “failed project” that is NATO’s proxy war against Russia in Ukraine. As “Ukraine fatigue” percolating throughout the West increasingly pulls the rug from under Kiev’s hopes for continued financial and military assistance being funneled to it, another blow might have been dealt to Europe’s efforts to sustain aid for the regime, the WSJ noted.

German Finance Minister Christian Lindner announced a freeze on public spending for the rest of the year on Monday. Applicable to almost the entire budget for 2023, the decision was made due to “the need to review the overall budgetary situation for the federal budget,” as per a statement from the ministry. The move came in the wake of a bombshell ruling by the Federal Constitutional Court last week. The judicial ruling stated that the €60 billion (over $65 billion) earmarked for the pandemic response cannot be repurposed for other initiatives, like advancing green manufacturing practices or boosting solar energy production. The court said Berlin was bound by the country’s constitutionally enshrined fiscal rules that limit budget deficits to 0.35% of gross domestic product in normal times.

The implications of the move are such that Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s government is now facing a dilemma. The increasingly unpopular Scholz Cabinet had been counting on a flood of spending on “green-energy projects and technology,” along with multibillion-euro-worth subsidies to construct chip-making plants, the WSJ underscored. Now, Berlin will either have to go ahead with painful budget cuts or raise taxes, or even both. But most importantly, in the short term, Berlin will need to decide whether priority shall be given to boosting Europe’s collective defense, and directing more aid to the Kiev regime, or “cushioning the impact of surging energy prices and inflation on businesses and households,” the outlet said. Nevertheless, Berlin will continue supporting a €50 billion four-year Brussels budget package for Ukraine for next year, according to cited German sources conferring with the bloc’s officials on November 17.

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There are reasons why it’s been used for centuries. Don’t throw it away, because you will get a lot of disadvantages.”

Stark Warning Against UK Following Sweden By Going Cashless (Exp.)

Britain should not follow Sweden towards becoming a cashless society, the leader of a Scandinavian grassroots movement has warned. Björn Eriksson, a former president of international police organisation Interpol, set up his campaign group to fight against the ditching of notes and coins in Sweden. And in a warning to the UK against going cashless, he said: “My message would be keep the two systems side by side. “It’s true that it costs more to have a system of cash running parallel with a digital system, but look upon it as an insurance. “There are reasons why it’s been used for centuries. Don’t throw it away, because you will get a lot of disadvantages.” Mr Eriksson launched Kontantupproret – Cash Rebellion – in 2015 due to concerns that some people were being cut adrift by the decline of cash in Sweden.

He said: “It just happens that I tried to be more modern and suddenly I could see there is something curious with this. “Everybody seems to be happy, nobody’s talking about those left aside. And that was more or less the starting point.” He said those affected include pensioners, women fleeing abusive relationships, the disabled, refugees, voluntary organisations, small businesses and people living in the north of the country where internet coverage can be a problem. Just eight percent of people in Sweden used cash for their most recent payment, according to a 2022 survey by the country’s central bank, down from 39 percent in 2010. But Britain is not that far behind with figures from UK Finance showing 14 percent of transactions last year used notes and coins.

Banks are vanishing from high streets up and down the country with 5,753 branches shutting their doors since January 2015, figures from consumer group Which? show. And some shops, cafes, restaurants and other venues across the UK will now only accept plastic. In Sweden, many banks have stopped handling cash altogether and Mr Eriksson said it is increasingly difficult to pay with notes and coins in shops. He said: “If you take foods you still have the possibility but notice it’s very easy to pay with digital means, maybe you have five places where you can do it in a shop, while if you have cash it’s a long line and you have to wait and then you can use your cash. “If you want to have a cup of coffee in Stockholm and you walk from the Parliament to the Central Station, for example, there is nowhere you could get your cup of coffee because they have a little sign saying we are cashless.”

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Are they trying to blow up the union?!

European Lawmakers Vote For Abolition Of Member State Vetoes (RMX)

European lawmakers approved plans on Wednesday to remove the national veto for EU member states in the latest attempted power grab by Brussels to wrestle control away from national governments. A total of 291 MEPs supported the proposal put forward by the “Verhofstadt Group,” a group of MEPs led by the arch-federalist Guy Verhofstadt to amend the European Union treaties in favor of greater centralization and limiting the sovereignty of member states. The vote was only narrowly passed with a majority of just 17 after a faction of conservative parliamentary groups expressed considerable opposition to the move.

In the plenary debate on the matter on Tuesday, Verhofstadt claimed that veto rights had been used by member states disillusioned with the European Union’s trajectory to “blackmail” the bloc, a thinly veiled jibe at Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, who has refused to sanction the European Union’s proposed amendments to the bloc’s collective budget to further finance the Ukrainian war effort. In response, a former co-rapporteur to the Verhofstadt Group, Polish MEP Jacek Saryusz-Wolski, accused federalists in the European Parliament of attempting “to transform the EU into a superstate,” continuing his opposition to the plans outlined in a recent interview with Remix News.

The public is not supposed to notice that a putsch is about to take place, that the European Union as a community of sovereign states is being abolished and a superstate is being created without any consent of the people, says Polish MEP Jacek Saryusz-Wolski Saryusz-Wolski resigned from the working committee led by Verhofstadt in protest at the development of the plan that would further politicize the European Commission, give Eurocrats sole competency over several issues including the environment, education, and public health, and remove the need for unanimity among member states in key policy areas. The Polish MEP called the move “a silent putsch with communist roots.”

Vice Chairman of the European Conservatives and Reformists (ECR) group Rob Roos, contrasted the vote on Wednesday with the Dutch election being held on the same day, posting on X: “Today the festival of democracy takes place in the Netherlands, but in Strasbourg our democracy is being buried. “A European Parliament majority just voted for the abolition of the Netherlands’ veto in many areas. Vote for a party that defends our veto!” he added. The resolution in reality changes little. It gives an insight into the consensus of the parliament but treaty change ultimately remains a matter upon which unanimity among member state governments is required.

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“OpenAI defines AGI as autonomous systems that surpass humans in most economically valuable tasks..”

Better listen to Elon, and not let Bill Gates run away with it.

OpenAI Researchers Warned Board of AI Breakthrough Ahead of CEO Ouster (R.)

Ahead of OpenAI CEO Sam Altman’s four days in exile, several staff researchers wrote a letter to the board of directors warning of a powerful artificial intelligence discovery that they said could threaten humanity, two people familiar with the matter told Reuters. The previously unreported letter and AI algorithm were key developments before the board’s ouster of Altman, the poster child of generative AI, the two sources said. Prior to his triumphant return late Tuesday, more than 700 employees had threatened to quit and join backer Microsoft in solidarity with their fired leader. The sources cited the letter as one factor among a longer list of grievances by the board leading to Altman’s firing, among which were concerns over commercializing advances before understanding the consequences. [..]

After being contacted by Reuters, OpenAI, which declined to comment, acknowledged in an internal message to staffers a project called Q* and a letter to the board before the weekend’s events, one of the people said. An OpenAI spokesperson said that the message, sent by long-time executive Mira Murati, alerted staff to certain media stories without commenting on their accuracy. Some at OpenAI believe Q* (pronounced Q-Star) could be a breakthrough in the startup’s search for what’s known as artificial general intelligence (AGI), one of the people told Reuters. OpenAI defines AGI as autonomous systems that surpass humans in most economically valuable tasks. Given vast computing resources, the new model was able to solve certain mathematical problems, the person said on condition of anonymity because the individual was not authorized to speak on behalf of the company.

Though only performing math on the level of grade-school students, acing such tests made researchers very optimistic about Q*’s future success, the source said. Reuters could not independently verify the capabilities of Q* claimed by the researchers. Researchers consider math to be a frontier of generative AI development. Currently, generative AI is good at writing and language translation by statistically predicting the next word, and answers to the same question can vary widely. But conquering the ability to do math — where there is only one right answer — implies AI would have greater reasoning capabilities resembling human intelligence. This could be applied to novel scientific research, for instance, AI researchers believe.

Unlike a calculator that can solve a limited number of operations, AGI can generalize, learn and comprehend. In their letter to the board, researchers flagged AI’s prowess and potential danger, the sources said without specifying the exact safety concerns noted in the letter. There has long been discussion among computer scientists about the danger posed by highly intelligent machines, for instance if they might decide that the destruction of humanity was in their interest. Researchers have also flagged work by an “AI scientist” team, the existence of which multiple sources confirmed. The group, formed by combining earlier “Code Gen” and “Math Gen” teams, was exploring how to optimize existing AI models to improve their reasoning and eventually perform scientific work, one of the people said.

Altman led efforts to make ChatGPT one of the fastest growing software applications in history and drew investment – and computing resources – necessary from Microsoft to get closer to AGI. In addition to announcing a slew of new tools in a demonstration this month, Altman last week teased at a summit of world leaders in San Francisco that he believed major advances were in sight. “Four times now in the history of OpenAI, the most recent time was just in the last couple weeks, I’ve gotten to be in the room, when we sort of push the veil of ignorance back and the frontier of discovery forward, and getting to do that is the professional honor of a lifetime,” he said at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit. A day later, the board fired Altman.

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    Jean-Michel Basquiat Self Portrait 1982   • Hamas is Winning the Battle for Gaza (Scott Ritter) • Gaza: A Pause Before The Storm (Pepe Escobar) •
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle November 24 2023]

    #147270
    Dr. D
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    Here we are, 24 November. No crash anywhere. Nothing happens. Nothing will ever happen again.

    “NYC Mayor Eric Adams Accused Of Sexual Assault

    Adams did not get The Memo to stay on message and tried to use free speech so his protection has been lifted. Kind of like how he removed all protection from NYers and crime.

    “Israeli prison authorities have unleashed a brutal campaign of repression against Palestinian prisoners, including severe beatings, humiliation, and the deprivation of food, health care, and basic amenities.”

    “if there’s a black man in the gutter, there has to be a white man in the gutter with him, holding him there” –MLK (Can’t seem to attribute this quote. To him or anyone.)

    I wouldn’t want to do this, since then –I– would have to be dirty, angry, annoyed, perhaps guilty or fearful, all those things. Who wants to annoy and beat up other humans all day? That’s one reason why every person we send to prison is a catastrophe. We have imprisoned both him AND 3 prison guards on 8-hour shifts. You really must, MUST solve these problems long before, for the second reason that the environment turns common guards into psychos and criminals, and also a high suicide rate, all very hushed up as news from prison only displays the level to which you can do virtually anything and get away with it. It’s a fair cop that every prisoner mere makes more criminals instead of the opposite.

    “• How the Democratic Party Faked an American Insurrection (Robert Bridge)

    You don’t say…. Said 100,000 insurrectionists with 0 weapons.

    ““And just like that the J6 Committee’s violent insurrection narrative has crumbled..”

    Crumbled to who? All the man on the street around here still believe it.

    “Now, Republicans are demanding justice be served and that the incarcerated protesters be immediately set free”

    But haven’t. Three years later. Doesn’t look like the next few weeks either. Like 2A or abortion, simply too much political profit to be made to actually help any real people. It’s much more effective and profitable to HARM as many people instead, or else, logically, they wouldn’t do it.

    ““If you are asking whether the violence at the Capitol on January 6 was part of some operation orchestrated by FBI sources or agents the answer is emphatically no,” FBI Director Christopher Wray

    Great! Then you won’t mind releasing all the records we asked for to prove that then. So three years later, where are they? Given the FBI has withheld and tampered with evidence, why aren’t those prisoners released for a mistrial?

    Oh by the way, Mr. Wray: did anyone try to find the D.C. bomber yet? It took a year to put out his wanted poster, perhaps I would like to know why?

    ““24 minutes” to explain to Trump “that he can’t manage this war … he can’t bring peace because of Putin.”

    Because everything is the other guy’s fault. Not me!!! I’m a helpless darling! That really shows a person’s foundational character and quite honestly, their practical value. A second thing as well: as Trump slowly moves from man to myth, even if they erase him nothing will now change, it’s THEM who gave Trump or Putin his power. THEY, like Ze, say with every word and action HE is the baddie. THEREFORE HE HAS THE POWER. So if you, Ze, and you, DNC are simply powerless, why should I talk to you or think about you at all since you’ve just told me you’re useless? Irrelevant? Pointless? I got things to do here, I want to talk to the man in charge, not the man on the street.

    “On Monday, US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin traveled to Kiev and declared the US would “continue to stand with Ukraine”

    …By continuing to NOT give them weapons and other material they need, especially as it’s NATO’s war policy to fight on-foot ground attacks with zero air cover.

    MacGregor: “the Ukrainian Secret police, rounding people up and …disappearing them…”

    Uh yeah, you see how this won’t work? So Captain Z, your solution to all problems is to take action by which there are LESS people? LESS soldiers? Problem? Erase democracy (they move, less people), Erase Church (they move, less support, less people), people talk about this? Arrest them, less people, also tie up 3x shift prison guards. They still won’t help? Round them up and shoot them, less people.

    I’m not a military genius or nothin’, but I suspect this might not be a winning strategy. This is why the “This is MY country, so I do NOT want to burn it down, but build it” “These are MY people, so the happier and more of them they are, the more powerful and happy I am” …And this is why, counterintuitively, the Moral Right wins and is a huge advantage in war that is difficult to calculate.

    “The botched counteroffensive has caused the Kiev regime a serious shortage of human[s]”

    Botched? Yeah, by the EU and NATO. NATO always fights wars with zero air power, right? That’s why the U.S. is going to dismantle the Air Force and retire all our carriers. Ukraine proves running tanks into minefileds with no air cover works just swell. You can always win wars by not stopping the flow of arms from Russian factories to the front lines.

    MacGregor: “And the folks in Washington are standing on a mountain of lies”..

    “Johnson’s reluctance to tee up a vote on Ukraine poses a real danger, with US military officials warning earlier this month that there was only about $1 billion remaining in the Ukraine war chest,”

    …That’s okay, the Pentagon will just find another $6B they forgot about somewhere. Happens all the time! Then no one comes down and arrests them for the audit of books.

    There’s what $40 Trillion fake money discovered in the various department books? It’s almost like someone got the plates to print (fake) Treasury bonds and has been running the presses white hot since the ‘90s. That’s aside from the BANKS’ fake treasury bonds, where they just CLAIM to have more, and-prove-that-we-don’t. (hypothecation, 100:1, why not 1,000:1? Who will check? Moody’s? In ’08 when they threatened to downgrade the government had them investigated and arrested)

    “• Eurozone Economy ‘Stuck In The Mud’ – Economist (RT)

    “Stuck in the mud”? I think they’re actively shrinking about as fast as any economy ever has. …That’s slower than you think, but look in history and it adds up and has consequences.

    “The judicial ruling stated that the €60 billion (over $65 billion) earmarked for the pandemic response cannot be repurposed for other initiatives, like advancing green manufacturing”

    Jesus, I would think not or every nation would do it every hour. “We have a $500B dog-catching budget” (re-allocated into a general, untracked, slush fund for ME)

    ““Everybody seems to be happy, nobody’s talking about those left aside.”

    Ah, Eriksson, you’re supposed to NOT CARE what happens to everyone else and let them all die in a fire. Get with the program. We attack and kill the most vulnerable and feed them to the rich, silly. Look at payday loans. Or the State lottery.

    “European lawmakers approved plans on Wednesday to remove the national veto”

    Which ones? They have like 10 layers of government. The EU Parliament, which are different and don’t agree with national parliament, which they never use either since they abdicate power not by law but by treaty?

    “European Union as a community of sovereign states is being abolished and a superstate is being created without any consent of the people,”

    Wot a shock! It’s almost like I and everyone else didn’t say this every day since 1995. And they didn’t behave just as badly or worse than we predicted they might.

    That’s okay: YOU NEVER HAD ANY POWER ANYWAY. The EU parliament is a student council showpiece advisory board, while the unelected Soviet bureaucracy has veto power, with no explanation, over every nation state and its representatives. Therefore does whatever it feels like with your money. Everyone signed up and thought that was great. Having never seen corruption on earth before, and certainly not ever in Europe! So they had nothing to fear.

    “AI weapons autonomously decide…”

    Well, sort of. But they already do, that’s what “Land Mine” is. It detects a thing and kills it with no human oversight. So the difference here is what? Cool marketing words?

    “U.S Army vaccine not required”

    You ARE kidding me, right? They’ll just change that the minute something, anything, nothing at all, happens. They’ve already shown that because it was ALREADY illegal under religious exemption. People’s undying trust in Daddy-that-rapes-them is clearly the missing Dark Matter that makes up 2/3rds of the universe.

    “Not required.” Are you kidding? When they decide to chop off your skull and embed your brain into an AI robotank they’ll use the same legal premise: You’re U.S. Government property. And if you try to avoid it by committing suicide, you’re damaging U.S. Government property. (both of these are already legal realities)

    #147271
    Red
    Participant

    Hmm sigma, is that you? It may be most here @TAE.

    #147272
    Red
    Participant

    “The increase in excess deaths in 2022 is highly statistically significant (extreme event),” Dowd wrote in his report. “The results indicate that from late 2021 a novel phenomenon leading to increased malignant neoplasm deaths appears to be present in individuals aged 15 to 44 in the UK.”

    The study’s results in the rate of cancer deaths above the historic norm in 2022 for ages 15-44 in the U.K. included:

    A 28% rise in fatal breast cancer rates in women.
    An 80% increase in pancreatic cancer deaths among women and a 60% increase among men.
    A 55% increase among men in colon cancer deaths and a 41% increase in women.
    A 120% increase in fatal melanomas among men and a 35% increase in women.
    A 35% increase in brain cancer deaths among men and a 12% rise in women.
    A 60% increase in cancer death rates among men in cancers “without site specification” and a 55% increase among women.

    Young People Dying of Cancer at ‘Explosive’ Rates, UK Government Data Show. Study

    #147273
    Red
    Participant

    @alexander-carpenter #147228 yesterday.
    Thanks for that link. I had bought the climate change orthodoxy up until about eight years ago. I had faith in the “science”. I only started to question my faith when I started to look into the papers supporting this trope. A lot of the “supporting” science turned out to be studies of papers that also seemed to be, more often than not, studies of other papers. No attempts at replication of said projections, just a big circle jerk. Suppress any dissenting voices usually by ad hominem to the extreme and not by showing that they were wrong in the laborious way of doing the work to show where they went wrong. As it turns out this method of science is also the method being used in the covid scam. What I have learned from this process is to take with a grain of salt anything that the authority of the day says, if not, ignore them outright. If when looking for something closer to the reality is what you seek, follow the fucking money! That will show you where not to go.

    #147274
    Red
    Participant

    No sooner finished my post to AC this pops up:

    In a previous article I initially published in February 2023 titled ‘1500 scientists say ‘Climate Change Not Due to Co2’ – The real environment movement was hijacked,’ I provided evidences and testimonies from renowned international climate scientists that contradict the UN assertion that climate change is caused by CO2 emissions.

    I also referred to the conclusion of 1500 climate scientists and climate professionals at the Climate Intelligence Foundation that the climate changes naturally and slowly in its own cycle, and that solar activity is the dominant factor in climate; and that CO2 emissions or methane from livestock, such as cows, are not the dominant factors in climate change. This is comprehensively detailed in the books Transcending the Climate Change Deception Toward Real Sustainability and in the book Climate CO2 Hoax.

    The UN climate change, sustainable development and green economy policies over the past 30 years are little more than worldwide marketing tricks that have tragically brainwashed two generations of young people who do not understand what the UN actually is, and who is it is really designed to serve.

    This current globalised system involves the promotion of beliefs and fake science that claim to be unchallengeable truths, but are, in fact, ideologies in which evidence is manipulated, twisted, and distorted to prove the ‘governing idea’, and thus promote its worldwide dissemination. They start with the conclusion they want and then wrench and manipulate what scant evidence they can to fit that conclusion. Man-made climate change due to anthropogenic carbon emission is a major example of this.

    Institutions, including the UN, the World Economic Forum (WEF), and the World Health Organisation (WHO), are privately-motivated unelected unaccountable organisations controlled by the source of debt-money creation, i.e., the world private-banking cartel; and are just clever marketing tools and political mechanisms for implementing and maintaining a corrupt worldwide system, under the clever guise of ‘fixing the problems of the world’.

    The word “sustainable” was hijacked decades ago,

    The Climate Change Mental Asylum – CO2 Fanatics Suffering from Ideological Insanity

    #147275
    tboc
    Participant

    15% known matter and energy, 85% dark matter and energy
    15% developed nations, 85% global south (choose the description that suits you personally)

    the 85% dark matter and energy drive the expansion of the verse
    soon the 85% global south will drive the human economic engine. A moment of discovery is on the horizon. In a manner similar to the verse the rate of expansion of the global south is increasing and will be seen to overcome the mass of the developed nations.

    the standard model theorists cannot accept their model is inadequate to explain the physical reality just as economists in the developed nations cannot accept their model is inadequate. The hidden overcomes what is seen. There are things which cannot be touched or measured that are real.
    No store of value, no profit. A black hole deals harshly with that deemed to be indispensable. Still, information can escape a black hole.

    Red, hope you enjoyed the images of the thoughtful man checking his cell phone and nodding wisely as much as i. <emoji>

    #147276
    tboc
    Participant

    Red, one definetly has to be quiet when their aspiration is to inject carborundum micro spheres into the gears.

    #147277
    zerosum
    Participant

    RIM makes it easy – Executive summary THERE IS NO SANTA

    the case for ‘genocide’ grows stronger

    Gaza: a pause before the storm Pepe Escobar NOV 23, 2023
    Real journalists have been working in Gaza 24/7 since October 7 – dozens of whom have been killed by the Israeli military machine in what Reporters Sans Frontieres calls “one of the deadliest tolls in a century.”

    the ongoing genocide, shown in all its gruesome detail for the entire world to see.
    in just six weeks, social media has exposed them to what mainstream media hid for decades.

    Several nations should have by now invoked the Genocide Convention – given that Israeli politicians and officials have been bragging, on the record, about razing Gaza and besieging, starving, killing, and mass-transferring its Palestinian population.

    No geopolitical actor has dared thus far.

    ———–

    IDF Knew Real Hamas HQ While Lying About al-Shifa 


    IDF Knew Real Hamas HQ While Lying About al-Shifa
    November 23, 2023 by Gareth Porter

    the IDF had gained control of the real Hamas command and control center in an area where the Hamas leadership had previously had their above-ground offices in the Al Atatra neighborhood, in the extreme northwest of Beit Lahiya city, 8.5km away from al-Shifa.

    As the IDF leaked to The Jerusalem Post in a story published Nov. 14, the discovery was made “several days ago” of a tunnel with an elevator that reached thirty meters underground, compared with only five meters underground in other tunnels. Furthermore it had been equipped with oxygen, air conditioning and more advanced communications than seen anywhere else.

    massive deception aimed at U.S. media and public opinion in order to justifying Israel’s war of obliteration of the population of Gaza.

    Discovery of Real Hamas High Command Bunker

    Map shows route to al-Shifa Hospital from the real HQ. (Google Maps)

    That major IDF discovery, made on or before the Nov. 11 false stories about al-Shifa, threatened to undermine the Israeli political campaign to justify the IDF’s takeover and destruction of Gaza’s hospitals on the grounds that they were “human shields” for Hamas.
    ————
    • How the Democratic Party Faked an American Insurrection (Robert Bridge)

    • Pfizer Sues Poland Over Covid-19 Vaccine (RT)

    • Eurozone Economy ‘Stuck In The Mud’ – Economist (RT)

    • Germany to Choose Lifeline for Its Embattled Economy Over Ukraine Aid (Sp.)

    #147278
    zerosum
    Participant

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/11/24/israel-hamas-war-live-israel-continues-gaza-attacks-ahead-of-truce
    PM says 12 Thai captives released amid Gaza truce

    By Mersiha Gadzo and Edna Mohamed
    Published On 24 Nov 2023
    24 Nov 2023

    #147279
    zerosum
    Participant

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-hamas-set-to-release-23-thai-hostages-in-side-deal-brokered-by-iran/
    Report: Hamas set to release 23 Thai hostages in side deal brokered by Iran
    London-based pan-Arab news site says Tehran gave Bangkok details on the condition of hostages kidnapped in October 7 attacks
    By TOI STAFF

    2023. (AP Photo/Sakchai Lalit, File)
    Nearly two dozen Thai nationals believed held by Hamas in Gaza may be released on the sidelines of a hostage swap deal taking place between Israel and the terror group, according to a report Thursday.

    Bangkok has been holding separate talks to repatriate some its nationals believed kidnapped by Hamas during the terror group’s deadly rampage through southern Israel on October 7, in which some 1,200 people, including a number of Thai workers, were killed and some 240 people abducted.

    On Friday, Hamas is set to release 13 women and children in exchange for Palestinians being held in Israeli prisons, part of a deal that will halt intense fighting for several days and is expected to see 50 hostages and 150 Palestinian prisoners released.

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    According to an unnamed Egyptian source quoted in London-based pan-Arab news site Al-Araby Al-Jadeed, Thursday, Hamas is also set to release 23 Thai hostages following Iranian mediation between the Palestinian terror group and Bangkok.

    Iran has provided Bangkok with details on the condition of the Thai abductees set to be released. Bangkok says it believes 26 of its citizens were abducted on October 7.

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    The deal is separate from the Qatar-mediated temporary truce between Israel and Hamas set to go into effect Friday at 7 a.m.

    This handout picture released by Thailand’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs on October 20, 2023, shows coffins of Thai workers killed in the Hamas assault during a ceremony attended by Thailand’s ambassador to Israel Pannabha Chandraramya (R) and officials on the tarmac of Ben-Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv on October 19, 2023, before being repatriated to Bangkok. (Photo by Handout / Thailand’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs / AFP)
    On Wednesday, Thai Prime Minister Srettha Thavisin said he was hopeful a pause in the fighting would allow the Thai hostages to leave Gaza safely.

    Last week, a member of the Thai hostage release negotiating team said that his government had been given assurances by Hamas that 25 of its nationals held hostage by the Palestinian terror group were “safe,” and could be released in the coming days.

    Tens of thousands of Thai nationals were working in Israel when the Hamas attack unfolded last month. Many were fieldhands in agricultural areas near the Gaza border, leaving them exposed to terrorist fire. At least 32 Thai nationals were killed in the massacres, according to Bangkok.

    #147280
    zerosum
    Participant

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    #147281
    Formerly T-Bear
    Participant

    Interesting art presentation today. Suggests several titles:

    ‘Self Made Man’
    or
    Made by Committee’

    maybe others also.

    #147282
    kultsommer
    Participant

    As for the yesterday’s posted lunar rover riddle:
    1. Google Q&A page regarding the topic:

    People also ask
    Can you still see the lunar rover on the Moon?
    As cool as it would be to gaze up at the moon and see one of the lunar rovers, it’s just not possible. Unfortunately, there is no telescope on Earth powerful enough to spot any of the objects (that do not exist – my emphasis) that have been left behind. Not even the Hubble could see what’s left on the moon.

    2. For this video, no comment is necessary:

    Hope everybody had great feast last night.

    #147283
    John Day
    Participant

    How many Thai agricultural workers were killed by Israeli helicopters?
    Thanks for the find, Zerosum.

    V.Arnold, can you get some Thai street buzz on this?

    #147284
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Native American Group Sues NFL Team Owner Over Redskins Name Change

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/native-american-group-sues-nfl-team-owner-over-redskins-name-change

    Anti-wokeness

    One native people’s ceiling apparently is another native people’s floor.

    How hilarious is that.

    This is ‘our nations capital’s’ football team.

    The perfect turd in the punch bowl of major league sports

    Woke is a Joke

    Dead last as a franchise

    Just like the Empire of Lies to have this as there mascot team.

    “A lawsuit advocating for restoring the name Redskins to the National Football League (NFL)’s Washington team alleges that a rival Native American organization improperly prompted the change to the team now called the Commanders….

    the Commanders favored one group of Native Americans over another—EQUAL—group of Native Americans,” the complaint further states. “Favoring one group of powerful Native Americans while literally attacking the identity of another is selective racism in action.”

    Although the Washington Redskins was previously a top 10 NFL brand out of 32 teams, the Washington Commanders is now at the bottom of the list, according to Mr. Lewis, who believes multiple name changes didn’t help its score.

    “There was this slow degradation over time, but it’s really accelerated downward since they started to change the names,” Mr. Lewis said. “Based on the data and on my reading of the situation, the name change is entirely a negative at this point, especially to the Commanders. Frankly, there’s been some discussion about changing the name again.”

    #147285
    zerosum
    Participant

    https://nationalpost.com/news/israel-hamas-war-day-48
    The National Post mixes facts with lies, misinformation and editing omitting/omissions

    “Those released include 13 Israeli citizens, some of whom are dual citizens, in addition to 10 Thai citizens and a Filipino citizen,” said Majed al-Ansari, the ministry’s spokesman. Qatar was a key mediator in the hostage release.
    ( No mention of the participation of Iran for 10 Thai citizens and a Filipino citizen as part of a separate deal)
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    JERUSALEM—Palestinian authorities have released a list of 39 Palestinian prisoners expected to be released on Friday, including 24 women and 15 teenage boys, in exchange for 13 Israeli hostages held by Hamas in Gaza.
    The swap is part of a four-day truce in the Israel-Hamas war. The truce began Friday after seven weeks of war.

    The Palestinian Prisoners’ Club, an advocacy group, said the 39 detainees from the occupied West Bank and east Jerusalem will be delivered to the International Committee of the Red Cross at Israel’s Ofer Prison near the West Bank city of Ramallah.

    Their release is to take place after 4 p.m. local time (1400 GMT), when Hamas is due to return the 13 Israeli hostages to Israel.

    Most of the 15 Palestinian teenagers to be released Friday were arrested over incitement and stone-throwing, as well as the broadly defined charge of “supporting terrorism.”
    The 24 women include some convicted of attempted murder and sentenced to years long prison terms for attacks against Israeli security forces.
    ———–

    BEITOUNIA, West Bank—Israeli security forces are firing tear gas at a crowd of Palestinians gathered to greet prisoners who are to be released from Israeli jails as part of a truce between Israel and Hamas, AP journalists in the West Bank witnessed.

    Close to 7,000 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel on security charges, including about 1,800 arrested since the start of the war.

    Tear gas was fired to push away crowds from the vicinity of Ofer prison, from where the prisoners are to be released later on Friday.
    ———–
    Qatar said a total of 24 hostages were freed — including 13 Israelis. According to Times of Israel, the names of the hostages released are: Channa Katzir, 77; Margalit Mozes, 77; Yafa Ader, 85; Hannah Perry, 79; Adina Moshe, 72; Danielle Aloni, 44; Emilia Aloni, 9; Ruthi Monder, 78; Keren Monder, 54; and Ohad Monder, 9; Aviv Asher, 2; Raz Asher, 5 and Doron Katz-Asher, 34.
    ———
    (Not included in the ceasefire)
    JERUSALEM—Israeli forces shot and killed a 12-year-old Palestinian boy in the occupied West Bank, Palestinian health officials said Friday, as violence surges in the territory under the shadow of the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza.

    The boy was killed Thursday in the village of Beita near the flashpoint city of Nablus in the northern West Bank, the officials said.

    The Israeli military said Palestinians threw stones when soldiers entered the village and that troops responded with live fire. The military said it was looking into the circumstances of the boy’s death.

    Since the Israel-Hamas war began seven weeks ago, the West Bank has seen one of the deadliest periods in at least two decades. Israeli soldiers and settlers have killed 229 Palestinians, including 52 children and minors under the age of 18, in arrest raids and violent confrontations, according to U.N. figures.
    ———–
    DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip—Israeli troops fatally shot two Palestinians and wounded 11 others as they headed toward the main combat zone in northern Gaza despite warnings by the Israeli army to stay put.

    An Associated Press journalist saw the two bodies and the wounded as they arrived at a hospital in the town of Deir al-Balah in the southern half of Gaza. The injured had been shot in the legs.

    Friday’s shooting came hours after the Israeli military warned hundreds of thousands of displaced Palestinians who sought refuge in southern Gaza not to attempt to return to their homes in the northern half of the territory, the focus of Israel’s ground offensive.

    The military had dropped leaflets on southern Gaza saying that returning to northern Gaza is prohibited and dangerous.

    Since a four-day truce went into effect Friday morning, hundreds of Palestinians were seen trying to head to northern Gaza.

    Witnesses said Israeli troops are opening fire on people trying to head north.

    Sofian Abu Amer, who had fled Gaza City, said he decided to risk heading north to check on his home.
    ———
    (Biden is claiming the credit for the cease fire)
    ———-
    (There is no mention if cease fire applies to Hezbollah and N. Israel)
    (Not included in the ceasefire)

    #147286
    Kassandra
    Participant

    Is there anyone that reads this site that actually believes humans went to the moon?

    #147287
    WES
    Participant

    So sea angles need brain food!

    As for the moon, I bought some cheese on sale yesterday!

    When I worked, we use to joke that if you accidently killed your electronic meter, the company required you to file numerous long detailed reports, but if you accidently killed yourself, no reports were required!

    In over a year working in 4 countries in Africa, the biggest wild animal I ever saw, was a wild turkey! OK, I saw camels but they are beasts!

    #147288
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    Is there anyone that reads this site that actually believes humans went to the moon?

    Probably the same people, who like me, *know* the earth is round.

    I am an engineer mentored by geniuses that worked on the Apollo program (my step-granddad was a senior Rocketdyne engineer), all *men* whose veracity & character was beyond reproach ~ Interesting to note that not one of those *men* was a democrat, nor to my knowledge, is there a modern equivalent to their type in the under 50 generations.

    I am also a acquaintance/friend of Buzz Aldrin, so there’s that too.

    But you’re right, TAE has become a repository of Americanophobia neurotics + other sundry agendas.

    Third-party evidence for Apollo Moon landings is evidence, or analysis of evidence, about the Moon landings that does not come from either NASA or the U.S. government (the first party), or the Apollo Moon landing hoax theorists (the second party). This evidence provides independent confirmation of NASA’s account of the six Apollo program Moon missions flown between 1969 and 1972.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings

    Quod. Erat. Demonstrandum.

    #147289
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Men Pretending To Be Women Go To Lunch With Man Pretending To Be Catholic

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    “It’s a match made in pretend heaven,” said local man Angelo Russo as he threw on a dress….

    According to sources at the Vatican, Pope Francis personally scheduled the make-believe playdate. “Haha, look at me, I’m Catholic!” laughed Pope Francis as he welcomed the men in wigs….

    …Oh look! Here comes my favorite priest Father Rupnik, pretending to not be a serial abuser….

    Organized religion shares so many endearing characteristics with Organized Crime

    #147290
    Oroboros
    Participant

    #147291
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Meanwhile in Woke-tard Sanctuary City Chicago they are considering tiny houses for the immigrant waves, but the native Chicago homeless are lucky to get cardboard boxes.

    Priorities, Priorities, Priorities

    The measure of your character

    .

    #147292
    Oroboros
    Participant

    I know sperm counts are dangerously low but I guess brain cells are even lower in Duh’merica.

    #147293
    Veracious Poet
    Participant

    Parting comment:

    The multi-generational insanity emanating via The West has nothing, NO-THING, to do with the former Democratic Republic of The United States of America, which was founded under Natural Law on July 4th, 1776.

    The Robber Barons (nka The Deep Swamp) + The City of London invented the totalitarian *FICTION* which is currently running *ruining* The West (1913 – 1933 – 1947 – 1963), which I refer to as The UniParty GlobalCap Empire, ratifying the consolidated control of The West’s sovereign wealth, power & institutions through suspension of the USCON + proscribing the use of *real* money (gold & silver) by The People.

    Americans, like myself & my family, protested against this monumental *shift* in the status quo, but impoverished “citizens” (mostly hyphenated “amerikans”) voted for “representatives” that usurped restrictions established under The Founding Documents ~ Simply put, “They” sold We The People’s birthright for a chicken-in-every-pot 😐

    All documented historical *FACT* (I’ve posted the details previously), with only a minuscule minority even aware in 2023, although on a Spiritual level *many* suffer bouts of cringing cognitive dissonance, but attempting to *THINK* your way out of CONSEQUENCES created via multiple generations CHOOSING flimflammer deception(s) has fomented a pathological Sea-Of-Noise obsession with The Problem(s), effectively blinding most to The Solution:

    There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, But the end thereof are the ways of death.

    Even in laughter the heart is sorrowful; And the end of that mirth is heaviness.

    Then there are multitudes of sociopath hustlers that promise Let’s make America great again!, a Thousand Points of Light, Putting People First, Change You Can Believe In, seeking only to profit from the chaos 🙄

    The Sons of Liberty fought & died to assert as a matter of Natural Law the ability of a people to assume political independence, unified in Spiritual Sanity.

    Could it happen again?

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    #147294
    Maxwell Quest
    Participant

    Is there anyone that reads this site that actually believes humans went to the moon?

    Just logged in and saw this.

    Thanks for the excellent response VP. As one who grew up during that time and followed the space program, I’ve never doubted the integrity of the moon landings. Were there military projects that piggy-backed onto NASA’s space program which the public was never made aware of? Most likely. Did the astronauts have any UFO encounters that were hidden from the public? Probably. Did Neil Armstrong walk on the moon? Definitely!

    #147295
    Oroboros
    Participant

    The Road to Hell is paved with ‘good intentions’

    Situational awareness and timing are everything.

    .

    #147296
    Oroboros
    Participant

    The way Media Whores often present the ‘news’.

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    #147297
    Celticbiker
    Participant

    Much like Ukraine, all the people getting slaughtered in Palestine are just regular nobodies. Murdered, crippled, burnt to shit. Meanwhile fat faced fucks blah,blah,blah on talmudvision telling the retards how to think, Ritter included. playing their roles in the NWO game. It’s a disgusting spectacle. They want the rest of us just as dead. Count on it. For some reason…people dont seem to want to face the pure Evil, cant grok it. They hate nature, they hate God and they sure as shit hate all of us. Cattle. Money is the root of Evil. Follow the money.

    #147298
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Maxwell Quest
    Did Neil Armstrong walk on the moon? Definitely!

    Here here!!!

    #147299
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    How many Thai agricultural workers were killed by Israeli helicopters?
    Thanks for the find, Zerosum.

    V.Arnold, can you get some Thai street buzz on this?

    The numbers I’ve heard were 39 killed in the attack.
    There are many (thousands+) of Thai workers in Israel; mostly agricultural workers AFAIK…

    #147300
    sinnycool
    Participant

    Re “Is there anyone that reads this site that actually believes humans went to the moon?”

    Count me in and thanks to the other two replies.

    I wonder which of the six manned Apollo landings is in question?

    During those events I was and still am a fairly passionate and active amateur radio operator and along with many of other similarly interested hams and short wave listeners I followed with interest the US ham who listened live to Apollo I, here https://www.arrl.org/eavesdropping-on-apollo-11 and listened to his recorded clips. There was no doubt he and his gear were the real deal, it was fascinating.

    I have visited the Australian site at the Parks CSIRO Observatory on several occasions, it was the actual listening post for the Apollo I when the moon was on the wrong side of the earth for the US mission control. Much of the live traffic went through that site.

    50 years after its role in the first moon landing, Australia looks to a bright future in space exploration

    There were many many people who, like me, have listened to their recordings and looked at the huge collections of data and “stuff” that arose from the Apollo missions, one example was the original ink pen chart showing Armstrong’s heart beat and blood pressure which was recorded in real time from his suti monitor was rather nice.

    Again all this was the real deal, the levels of detail and complexity, the blotches and errors, the extra voices in the commentary, every tiny part added together to create an overwhelmingly non-disputable body of evidence involving hundreds of clever, credible and talented people.

    It was a great time in human history to be interested and alive.

    As to the level denialism on this site, it is very disheartening. All part of the sad mad patchwork called the Human Condition. It’s no wonder we’ve not been able to improve our lot since pre-history, humans are a waste of space – pun intended.

    #147302
    Kimo
    Participant

    Re “Is there anyone that reads this site that actually believes humans went to the moon?”
    I saw the assembly room for the lunar modules, circa 1968, thanks to my father who was associated with the project from inception. The modules were lined up, two rows either side in a hanger, in various stages of construction. The discussion should end with public launches, and the visible landing stages that remain on the moon. I would not quickly discount stories of a publicity Plan B, although obvious failure were not covered up as we suffered some horrendous public disasters like Apollo 1 along the way.
    How sad that astronauts had to suffer those embarrassing “interviews”. It reminds me of the culmination of the recent movie Oppenheimer, where he and Einstein discuss the terrible ordeal that such public figures suffer, because of their incidental discoveries.
    So now, can move on to the flat earth?

    #147303
    sinnycool
    Participant

    @ Kimo

    I’ve long thought – tongue in cheek – that all the irreconcilable differences between us, all the inter-personal hostility, the family fights and all the “irrationality” has been man’s saving characteristic – up till now.

    How else do we leave home and colonise crazy unlovable places, or, more to the point:

    The Heaven’s Gate sect appear to have been outwardly rational people yet they died attempting to leave earth for a spaceship hidden in the tail of the Hale-Bop comet that had been sent to rescue them from the impending destruction of the planet…

    If they’d have been correct they would have lived and the rest of humanity would have been destroyed.

    If we all happily lived in peace in the same place we’d have been wiped out by any number of things ranging from meteor strikes through plagues and famines etc etc.

    The sad part is that now when we are supposedly global citizens there is no way we can or will cooperate even if it means our destruction.

    #147339
    Kassandra
    Participant

    Thanks for all the interesting replies. So many sound exactly like many replies to other questions, about the JFK assassination, 911, covid.

    It really is such a shame we lost all the technology and are unable to return to the moon. The laws of physics must have changed, or something.

    #147340
    Kimo
    Participant

    Thank you @sinnycool, I’ll let those thoughts ferment for a while.

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