Feb 042021
 


John William Godward Dolce Far Niente (Sweet Idleness, or A Pompeian Fishpond) 1904

 

 

One year into the continuing COVID emergency, it’s high time to ask questions about the “legal status” of various measures and restrictions applied by various governments- as well as their other policies. Having those questions asked out in the open is good for everyone, not least for the governments themselves. If only because a government doesn’t make law, it is only supposed to abide by it while governing.

Which means the law has to be tested by courts. That someone would have to start a court case to do this in these unusual and “extreme” times is already a step too far; courts should take that upon themselves (and I know, courts don’t usually do that). Whenever a government announces another measure or restriction, its legality should be tested immediately. It is not a good sign that this hardly appears to happen. The government itself should initiate the process.

Imagine if a court waits a year or more to issue an opinion on the measures, and finds -some of- them to be illegal. How do you explain that to people, as a government, or as a court? People who’ve lost their jobs, their savings, their businesses, and are then told it was all illegal to begin with?! Nobody should want that mess.

 

Much of what governments decide is presented as being justified by the term “emergency”. But this particular “emergency” has lasted for a year now, and you could begin by asking a court how long an “emergency” can and should be able to last. Also, what extra powers can a government claim just because it chooses to label something an emergency? Before you know it, it starts to feel like a dictatorship.

Applicable legislation will differ from country to country, but there is little doubt that in most western democracies, laws concerning the legal powers of a government will be quite similar. If only because they copied from each other all the time. Governments do all appear to think they have a lot of power, though, and I personally would like to see where that power is engraved in their respective laws, and what part of it is truly democratic.

A bit of an aside, something I’ve talked about multiple times, and something I think perhaps originates in legal overreach: Our societies appear to have become one dimensional (never a good idea) : governments act as if there is only one problem, COVID, and discard all others, cancers, mental health, economic bereavement.

Also one dimensional: the only response to COVID is a vaccine; all other possible responses are ignored. This is curious in a 3-dimensional world, though perhaps not in a one dimensional one. Still, even there too, the law must be tested.

 

Back to legal issues: Does a government have the legal standing to force millions of people not to work, millions of businesses not to open, millions of kids not to go to school? My answer would be: perhaps, but certainly never before they’ve exhausted every single other avenue to solve the problem they seek to solve.

And that is something no government I’ve seen has done. Still, what does the law say? If and when you, as a government, allow an emergency to last for a year, then what part of the blame for that falls on you?

For instance, none have attempted to boost the immune systems of their citizens, they’ve simply put facemasks on weak immune systems. But COVID is a disease that attacks weaknesses in the immune system. And we know most westerners have a vitamin D deficiency, especially in winter, which hugely weakens their immune systems. Still, governments declare month after month of lockdowns and measures without having provided adequate vitamin D, which is dirt cheap, to their citizens, and then tell them to go get vaccinated, or else.

And there’s more: Professor of Medicine Dr Peter McCullough says: “..the virus invades inside cells, so we have to use drugs that go inside the cell and work to reduce viral replication“. “The drugs that work within the cell and actually reduce viral replication are hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, doxycycline and azithromycin” Have you seen those drugs made available, let alone promoted, where you live?

You don’t even have to make vitamin D and ivermectin mandatory to make them work, people will take them voluntarily. Plenty studies say that boosting your vitamin D levels decreases your risk of getting infected with COVID as well as dying from it by 50% or more. And then you take it from there: things will add up: 50% now, becomes 50%+x next week, and so on. Who needs a vaccine at all? And that’s before you even mention ivermectin, of which Dr Pierre Kory said: “If you take ivermectin, you won’t get sick”. As in: end of story, end of problem.

 

Whether a government can make a vaccine mandatory is questionable to begin with. But a vaccine that hasn’t been approved, other than through an emergency authorization, and for which proper research won’t be completed for at least two-three years? What is the legal basis for that? On top of that, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are based on mRNA technology that has never before been tested on humans. How do you legally make those mandatory? How slippery is this legal scale, and how far have we already slid down it?

And then we want to issue vaccination passports to prove people have had a jab or two of these untested things? Look, they may well work, but we don’t know that, and we won’t for quite some time. But in the meantime we still want to curtail people’s freedom of movement for not getting an untested vaccine?

These questions have nothing to do with anti-vaxxers, if anything they’re about blind pro-vaxxers. And about the law. Go ask a judge, go ask the highest court in your land, what their respective laws say about this situation.

 

The following, sent to me by a friend, is from a Greek lady, Nelly Psarrou, who has a background in Political science and Law. She’s asking the questions in her country that everybody should ask in theirs. You can’t let a government absorb emergency powers without asking these questions. It is too dangerous.

 

 

Whether or not you get vaccinated, get informed!

 

1. Vaccination, like any medical action, requires citizen consent. Consent is not regarded as valid if it is not fully informed, nor “if it is the result of deceit, fraud or threat, or conflicts with the demands of decency” (Medical Code of Ethics, Greek law 3418/2005). Failing this, the consent is waived and the person/body who has exerted the pressure or extortion to vaccinate is subject to penal sanctions and/or civil damages in the event of harm.

2. Vaccination is not a prerequisite for the exercise of any other institutional requirement, such as education or otherwise recognized basic right such as the right to employment and free movement. Correspondingly, no private company has the legal authority to impose restrictions violating citizens’ constitutional rights. Discrimination and Stigmatization are forbidden (Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights, UNESCO). Moreover, imposition of a medical action in any manner constitutes torture and is illegal.

3. Non-consensual participation by citizens in medical research is specifically forbidden, as prescribed by the Nuremberg Code instituted following the trial of the Nazi-collaborator doctors. Any coercion of people to participate in research transforms them into experimental animals and amounts to a reintroduction of Nazi practices and crimes on a public health pretext.

The COVID19 vaccine has an emergency licence (not final approval), which means that research and clinical studies are still under way (they are to be completed in 2023)! It is INVESTIGATIONAL, as declared by the companies themselves, and any forced vaccination with it by any means (legal obligation, extortion, fraud) falls in the category of coercion in research, which is BANNED under numerous laws and international agreements and has penal and civil consequences.

4. As indicated by doctors and companies, the vaccines HAVE NOT BEEN STUDIED to determine whether they reduce viral infection or to ascertain the duration of immunity and/or the effects of their interaction with other drugs or vaccines. Therefore, neither are other people protected from infection by the virus, nor will restrictions be lifted – as is now announced.

5. The measures themselves which have been imposed are both illegal and unscientific. They are illegal in so far as they impose medical actions (e.g. the mask), they impose individual administrative measures restricting freedoms without individual legal mandate (Article 5 of the Constitution) and THEY ARE NOT EMERGENCY AND TEMPORARY (for example since June everybody talks about a second wave of viral infection, and this has already lasted for months).

The measures are unscientific in many ways. Specifically a) they ignore the strengthening of primary health care, which is demanded by all scientific specialists. b) they impose lockdown, which is classifiable, from a medical viewpoint, as a criminal policy (it does not reduce infections and it increases mortality from other causes, worsening health overall – mental illness, cancellation of programmed examinations and operations, c) they impose masks (which is a medical action) outdoors, which does not provide protection against the virus as they themselves assert: “they are a “symbolic measure”, a slogan which says MASKS EVERYWHERE! ) d) they focus on vaccination as the only solution, instead of including the existing possibility of effective treatment with pharmaceutical drugs.

6. From the moment that vaccinations started, serious side-effects have already been recorded, auto-immune reactions but also deaths, which are, however, attributed to underlying conditions. The provision of new vaccines stopped immediately, the official justification being the impossibility of production – which had just commenced. At the same time doctors working with the government as advisors are evidently in receipt of funding from the same companies that are producing the vaccines: that amounts to, and/or would amount to, “conflict of interest”. Finally, the Prime Minister has claimed falsely that vaccination is voluntary, yet as early as 25/2/2020 the Parliament had voted the relevant laws: they are simply not in a position yet to enforce them because they do not have the vaccines.

What is most important is that citizens are denied information and doctors of alternative persuasion are muzzled, ridiculed and hounded! The mass media have already been paid for spreading this disinformation, with the 40 million euros “for strengthening information on the Corona virus” and the writing off of 30 million euros of debt. And we know that information is the most precious value in a society of freely thinking citizens. This, informing our fellow human beings is the number one priority and a socially responsible action. Seek out the information and disseminate it freely.

1. For all the above, articles with data: www.nellypsarrou.com
2. The views of numerous specialists: Radio Crete (the programs of the journalist Sachinis (in Greek) https://www.youtube.com/user/984radio

 

 

As for point 6 and 7, I think it’s not very useful to claim doctors and media are being paid off, without linking to evidence you have of that. Stick with the legal issues if you can’t.

And the legal issues raised by Nelly Psarrou look strong. Time for a lawyer and a court.

 

 

 

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    John William Godward Dolce Far Niente (Sweet Idleness, or A Pompeian Fishpond) 1904     One year into the continuing COVID emergency, it’s h
    [See the full post at: The One Year Emergency]

    #69321
    a kullervo
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    Greetings,

    Only real hunger has real clout over the masses.
    People will only start to move when hunger becomes a real threat to them and/or their children.
    Until then, as noble as they may be, all other efforts will fall on deaf ears.

    #69324
    John Day
    Participant

    Thanks Ilargi,
    I have forwarded the link to this post to the C-19-d listserv, which includes Dr McCullough, who you cited above (It’s his list) and Dr Risch, who you had on video a few days ago.
    Dr Risch has intimated to me that almost, or about 50% of people in the USA have or have had COVID-19 now. He is an epidemiologist. This winter surge is also the bum towards “herd immunity”, except that immunity to coronaviruses fades between 6-12 months for most people, u-nless it is restimulated.
    There is crossover immunity or partial resistance between coronavirus strains. We are baout to see how that works for us. We are also about to get sold a new lifesaving vaccine every 6 months to save us from the very latest threat.
    I’d probably take the Sputnik vaccine at this point, but as a political statement, more than anything.
    I have more faith in the interests that birthed it than I do in Pfizer, Moderna and friends.

    #69325
    John Day
    Participant

    https://www.johndayblog.com/2021/02/investing-in-life.html

    Tessa Fights Robots:
    The Last Squeeze: Digital Colonization as Manifest Destiny 2.0
    Beware of billionaires bearing gifts of efficient management.
    https://tessa.substack.com/p/digital-slavery

    Indian Farmers Fight Robots, too…
    India Restricts Internet, Twitter Complies With Blockage Request As Farmers Protest Grows
    ​ ​Parts of India are facing extended government-ordered internet blackouts as the Indian farmers protest movement has grown. The farmers allege Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s farming law, which ends the government’s programs to keep commodity prices at fixed levels, therefore allowing free markets to dictate prices, favors large corporations over smaller mom and pop farmers.​ (most Indians)
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-restricts-internet-twitter-complies-blockage-request-protesting-farmers-clash

    Jeremy sent this: The Science is Broken
    ​ ​”If we don’t address gross over-population and the real carrying capacity of the planet, along with unlimited consumption and endless greed, our waste streams (greenhouse gasses and pollution) will continue to accelerate biosphere collapse, leading to our (soon) extinction. It’s just that simple. The civilization that we embraced refused to consider finite limits on any of the Earth systems that sustain life, and we deliberately designed economic models based upon this gross miscalculation.
    ​ ​This is probably one of the biggest mistakes in our entire history, and it is being ignored by scientists, researchers, academics and policy makers. An economic model based upon consumption and endless growth was always destined to destroy Earth’s habitability and human survival. Religions that fail to recognize that the Earth is now way over-full and over-used have violated their core teachings.
    ​ ​Scientists that continue to insist that growth is still desirable are doing the entire world a great disservice. We look to these experts to give us expert guidance, but I’m still not seeing it and have been looking for decades now. If they can’t actually tell us “like it is”, then we need to find those who will and can, fast. Otherwise, you might as well embrace the hopium and the suck that will come with it, because it’s going to really suck to watch your own children die from something that we should have all prevented.”

    The Science Is Broken

    ​I replied:
    ​ Who does this author address? He expresses frustration that human population is not being dealt with and that public statements of the science are sugar-coated, not honest.
    Our owners are well aware of the situation and are already acting to reduce our numbers, especially those of us who live over the cheap oil, like in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, and so on… The rest of us in the “developed” countries are now in draconian lockdowns, promised that some novel vaccines will fix everything. We know that they can’t fix anything that they are supposed to fix, and that there are generic medicines that will do the job, that are doing the job when they are used, so what is the real agenda?
    This author may be unaware of what’s going on. He appears unaware.
    The power structure above industrial society supports the powerful human “owners”. That’s the purpose.
    They are slowly negotiating a transition for their power structure, out of necessity.
    We are not at that table, and that table will have to have some losers, so negotiations are not proceeding well, but we get culled. That’s a given. Be useful…

    #69326
    Dr. D
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    Year one of infinity emergency.

    Some governments do have timeframes: it’s 30 days, although probably also illegal, I don’t think people would personally or legally object. I mean, if you made restitution for things done wrong as you’re legally and Constitutionally required. We passed that so long ago my kids are now picking my nursing home.

    Again, a hospital is now the only place I can REFUSE medical care. Out here, I’d be tracked down and vaxxed. So I have to come up with a plausible reason to remain in the hospital where I can legally refuse medical care. Got it?

    Why? Because we haven’t followed any laws in 100 years and we’re not starting now. Do what I say or else. The purpose of power is power. Submit or die.

    #69329
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    John Day: “…about 50% of people in the USA have or have had COVID-19 now.”

    Back in December, the CDC was estimating that 91 million people in the US were already infected, for the period from February through September. That would mean almost 30% of the population, before the “second wave” hit. The number of official “cases” at the end of September was 7.5 million, so the CDC was estimating 83.5 million more people were infected in the US, beyond the official 7.5 million cases. For every official case, the CDC estimated an additional 11 uncounted infections, to give the total of 91 million infected by the end of September.

    There have been an additional 19 million known cases in the US since the end of September, plus a presumably large number of uncounted infections. This adds up to more than one-third of the population (110 million plus the uncounted).

    However, by January 15 of this year, the CDC estimate for total infections didn’t go up above their previous estimate of 91 million infections (for Feb through Sept), it went down to 83.1 million infections (for Feb through Dec).

    The archived page from January 16, 2021, showing the 91 million infections estimate (Feb-Sept):
    https://web.archive.org/web/20201201000000*/https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

    The page as it looks today, showing the 83.1 million infections estimate (Feb-Dec):
    https://web.archive.org/web/20201201000000*/https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html

    Along with a new president, the US got a decrease in the number of total Covid infections, which means more people who need to be vaccinated to acquire some immunity?

    #69330
    Doc Robinson
    Participant
    #69332
    zerosum
    Participant

    TV “experts” are lying by omission.
    Why are all the gov. being blamed for not having enough vaccines by the TV “experts”?
    Bloggers everywhere have been talking about other/better options than vaccines.

    “The drugs that work within the cell and actually reduce viral replication are hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, doxycycline and azithromycin” Have you seen those drugs made available, let alone promoted, where you live?

    The vitamin mfg have got pallets of zinc, Vitamin D3, and C available for sale in every store.
    The vitamin mfg are advertising on TV

    TV “experts” know that they are lying by omission.

    #69333
    barnaby33
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    I’m not sure which planet the author lives on but 2 & 5 are patently false. You absolutely can be forced to get vaccinations to attend school or join the military. The later doesn’t even offer a religious belief exemptions and the former it varies from place to place. You can be forced to wear pants, you can be forced to wear a mask.

    At a deeper level I find this particular strain of libertarianism to be pretty bankrupt. Its not as if our leaders were imposing bans on us, or closing down businesses for personal gain or to say punish a religious or ethnic group.

    The one point he makes or question he asks that seems relevant is, how long can an emergency last?

    #69334
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    John William Godward Dolce Far Niente (Sweet Idleness, or A Pompeian Fishpond) 1904

    What a gorgeous feast for my eyes…

    #69335
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Continuing my Ivermectin musings from the previous thread, another thing I simply can’t fathom are the people who continue to struggle with severe symptoms after a bout with Covid. I think it’s war-crime level stuff that we aren’t treating these people with Ivermectin, just letting them suffer and suffer and suffer.

    #69337
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Vietnam Vet: what happened to your post?

    #69338
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    @ V. A.

    I’m not sure. I edited a typo and hit submit, twice, the screen changed but it didn’t post.

    Basically it said that the truth has become a conspiracy theory. The judiciary in the USA is a branch of government in the USA along with executive and legislature. All have been bought. Vaccines alone will not eradicate the virus; it is endemic and mutating. With no functional national public health campaign, barriers to alternative treatments, and a never-ending economic Depression; America could fall apart this year.

    #69344
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    With no functional national public health campaign, barriers to alternative treatments, and a never-ending economic Depression; America could fall apart this year.

    Whew, that soon huh? You may well be correct. I hope not, but, the wife and I have been preparing for this year also. Just not really expecting a collapse quite so soon…
    We’ll see…………

    #69346
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Brings to mind this: ““Previously, the CDC said that vaccinating only 25% of the population is sufficient to reduce the flu. Now all of a sudden, Fauci claims 85% of the population must be vaccinated but never offers any science just opinion.”

    His imbedded links:
    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/pandemic-timeline-1930-and-beyond.htm
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/video/85-percent-of-americans-must-be-vaccinated-for-normalcy-to-return-says-dr-fauci/vi-BB1dogEZ

    Hallmark of pathological liars: moving the goalposts. So…we’re saying it’s impossible we’re not at herd immunity? And yet I could have HAD Covid, have natural immunity, but that’s illegal, not allowed? I still have to have the vaccine if I’m immune? Yes. Of course. And if you’re 80 and Norway says it will kill you (says the UK who just demanded it for over 50). Or if you’re 8, and have never seen a child die of it yet. Because…science? Please stop, science, you’re so illogical, without evidence or reason, you’re hurting my brain.

    Is Barnaby sarcasm? They have definitively enacted martial law and house arrest without any due process. (5A, 14A) They have definitively closed businesses without offering required compensation (1A, 5A). Without even offering science, actually, as we keep pointing out. And while not providing science, also lying, lying, lying, lying. Where are my 15 days? Where are all lockdown states not all worse than open states?

    They have definitively profited by this — recent mainstream media reports are $3.7 Trillion while losing $3.9 Trillion from the people (as some value was just destroyed). The people who did this are direct and open donors to the parties, as $500M from Zuck in just one avenue. AOC has been there, what, two years? and she is already a millionaire, so clearly money is transferred briskly on this issue and all others.

    The are CLEARLY targeting religions. (1A) DeBlasio not only targets Jews, but once they didn’t slavishly obey, he closed THEIR public parks in Brooklyn. Parks a block away? Totally open. That’s not science, that’s ethnic targeting. Clearly vaccine-wary people such as Christians — don’t know what you would call them, Christians-slightly-at-all, Christian-home-schoolers? are being specifically targeted for abuse and attack as well. Every casino and liquor store open, every church shut. Even when they used a drive-in movie, where everyone was inside their closed cars. Not science. It’s the front edge of ethnic cleansing. If your religion is arson and abortion rights? The streets are wide open.

    Again, all these things are HIGHLY illegal. They are direct civil rights violations. If you care about muh racism, these are top priority as they once were for the now-Stalin-run ACLU. They are the elimination of human progress since the Enlightenment. And it’s done FOR profit and power, and AGAINST doctors and science. As they were discussing yesterday, how many months of illogical, unsupportable coincidences do you need before it’s not an accident? I said this would happen day 1 because they can never, ever be trusted with a plastic spork without using it to stab the people in the eye, arrest them unjustly, censor them erratically, and trample them endlessly, and never relinquish power without an ugly, ruinous, unnecessary fight? And so they have. Every day since day 1. Wouldn’t it have been easier to say “h-ll no” initially? A year later, on cases NO EFFECT. None. A year later, government oppression of the people now OVERWHELMING, arresting and censoring the President, whole parties, doctors, scientists, EVERYONE.

    You know what has ended Covid? The Inauguration: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
    Off a cliff since Jan 15th. Huh. Just like everybody said. What another, another, another, another, another, another, another, another, another, another, another, another, coincidence.

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