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Natural Infection vs Vaccination: Which Gives More Protection? (INN)
“It Needs To Be Hard For People To Remain Unvaccinated” (Turley)
I Told You It Would Fly Apart. It Is. (Denninger)
Third of England Still Without Any Covid Immunity, Scientist Warns (G.)
UK’s Return To ‘Freedom’ : Masks, Tracking And Vaccine Passports (SN)
UK’s ‘Awful Experiment’ Will Threaten NZ (NR.nz)
UK Covid Vaccines Deaths In 6 Months 4x Higher Than All Others In 11 Years (DE)
Holy Synod Of The Greek Church Recommends “Free Choice” For Vaccinations (KTG)
New York Takes Conservative Approach Counting Virus Deaths (AP)
New ‘Great Game’ Gets Back To Basics (Escobar)

 

 

We have a lot of concerns, and rightly so, about doctors and others who get banned and deleted on (social) media for saying things about Covid, vaccines and more that don’t fit the Trusted News Initiative’s stated goals. But that same treatement of reality also means that everyday people have no idea what is going on in their world. For instance, they have no clue that most people have immune systems that will fight off Covid with ease.

They have been told there are 2 kinds of immunity: from infection or from vaccination. And they believe what they’re told. Natural born immunity is anathema to control. If people know they are not under threat, how do you control them? You have to dumb them down. And then set them against others who have other ideas.

 

 

 

 

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Who dumbed these people down?

Natural Infection vs Vaccination: Which Gives More Protection? (INN)

Coronavirus patients who recovered from the virus were far less likely to become infected during the latest wave of the pandemic than people who were vaccinated against COVID, according to numbers presented to the Israeli Health Ministry. Health Ministry data on the wave of COVID outbreaks which began this May show that Israelis with immunity from natural infection were far less likely to become infected again in comparison to Israelis who only had immunity via vaccination. More than 7,700 new cases of the virus have been detected during the most recent wave starting in May, but just 72 of the confirmed cases were reported in people who were known to have been infected previously – that is, less than 1% of the new cases.


Roughly 40% of new cases – or more than 3,000 patients – involved people who had been infected despite being vaccinated. With a total of 835,792 Israelis known to have recovered from the virus, the 72 instances of reinfection amount to 0.0086% of people who were already infected with COVID. By contrast, Israelis who were vaccinated were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection, with over 3,000 of the 5,193,499, or 0.0578%, of Israelis who were vaccinated getting infected in the latest wave. According to a report by Channel 13, the disparity has confounded – and divided – Health Ministry experts, with some saying the data proves the higher level of immunity provided by natural infection versus vaccination, while others remained unconvinced.

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This is exactly why there is the Nuremberg code. Exactly.

“It Needs To Be Hard For People To Remain Unvaccinated” (Turley)

Dr. Leana Wen, CNN analyst and Distinguished Fellow at the Fitzhugh Mullan Institute of Health Workforce Equity at George Washington University, has caused a stir due to her recent declaration on CNN that “it needs to be hard for people to remain unvaccinated.” With France implementing a mandatory “health pass” and private companies like Morgan Stanley requiring vaccinations for employees to return to work, we can expect more protests and challenges around the world. Those cases are likely to focus on whether mandatory requirements are based on medical or political imperatives. Wen’s comment is likely to be repeated in many filings as another case of “saying the quiet part out loud.” She appears to advocate measures defined to coerce people to take vaccinations due to the continuing refusal of a sizable number of people.

Wen is a well-known medical analyst and the former head of Planned Parenthood. She is a visiting professor at George Washington University. Wen made clear that health measures should be used to make life hard for people who refuse the vaccine so that they yield to public demands: “[b]asically, we need to make getting vaccinated the easy choice.” In the Washington Post, Wen also called for “Biden to make the case for vaccine requirements.” There is already open pressure from the White House on private companies to require vaccinations. Morgan Stanley responded by doing just that this week. They can likely do so. The most serious challenges could come from those with religious objections. However, even if they are allowed to work remotely, Morgan Stanley CEO James Gorman stated in July that “If you want to get paid New York rates, you work in New York. None of this, ‘I’m in Colorado…and getting paid like I’m sitting in New York City. Sorry, that doesn’t work.” The message could not be clearer that working remotely will come at a penalty.

The Biden White House is clearly concerned that making vaccines mandatory will cause not just court challenges but a public backlash. However, such mandatory programs have been upheld. As I discussed in a column last year, there is a 1905 case where the Supreme Court upheld a state mandatory vaccination program of school children for small pox in Massachusetts. In Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905), the Court found that such programs are the quintessential state power rather than a federal power. It also held that “every well-ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.” States are allowed to subject citizens to restraints to protect “general comfort, health, and prosperity of the State.”

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“They really have gone all the way to clown world in DC folks.”

I Told You It Would Fly Apart. It Is. (Denninger)

Now Biden administration officials are telling people that “vaccine hesitancy” is about bringing the Biden Administration down. “It’s being coordinated by people who have platforms and have an interest in bringing down the current administration.” Oh please. You really expect anyone to believe that Trump supporters are going to willingly die to destroy Joe Biden’s administration? If they were really willing to die to ruin Biden’s administration some tiny percentage could simply decide he’s leaving office now. Given that we’re talking about 60 million people who voted for Trump it must be assumed that if even a tiny percentage decided that bitching wasn’t enough one or more would succeed and, of course, likely die. But deliberately contract a deadly virus and choke on your own spit to ruin a sitting President’s administration?

You’re joking, right? They really have gone all the way to clown world in DC folks. The press secretary also pointed out that the administration has, for months, engaged with local community groups and pastors to handle the “door-to-door” sharing of information with neighbors about the vaccine. Conveniently omitting, I’m sure that there are 9,000 death reports in VAERS associated with these shots. Contrast that against the flu shot, which also is given to about 170 million Americans a year — last year’s campaign of 170 million stabs, more or less, was associated with 26 deaths. If these shots are so safe why are 400 times as many people on a per-shot basis dying in close association with taking them?

Why did the FDA just issue a warning about GBS with the J&J vaccine over an associated rate of about 1 in 125,000 shots where the death rate for the shots (associated, again, not proved) of about 1 in 16,000? Last time I checked death is not treatable — GBS is, although sometimes the damage is both life-altering and permanent. Oh, and look at this lie from Politico: “The big misinterpretation that Fox News or whomever else is saying is that they are essentially envisioning a bunch of federal workers knocking on your door, telling you you’ve got to do something that you don’t want to do,” Anthony Fauci, President Biden’s chief medical adviser, said in an interview on Sunday. “That’s absolutely not the case, it’s trusted messengers who are part of the community doing that — not government officials. So that’s where I think the disconnect is.” Oh really?

Well Politico, how long did it take for Fauci to get caught lying about there being no plans to mandate anything that someone doesn’t want to do? “Fauci says vaccines should be mandated at the local level but the federal government will not mandate them.” Oh, so he’ll just try to get others to mandate them but he won’t because HE CAN’T AND HE KNOWS IT. Why would I believe these shots work when the chief advocate got caught lying about his desires and intentions by explicitly advocating for forced shots while at the same time saying that was not the intent? In other news South Carolina’s AG recently sent one of their colleges a rather strict warning: Their plan to treat non-vaccinated students in a punitive way, including masks and weekly testing, is illegal. They backed down.

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That is mathematically impossible.

Third of England Still Without Any Covid Immunity, Scientist Warns (G.)

As ministers proceed with lifting most of England’s restrictions next week, a third of the population is still unprotected from getting infected with Covid, scientists have estimated. There have been about 15 million infections so far (roughly 27% of England’s population), and once partial and full vaccinations are accounted for that leaves approximately 33% of the population still susceptible to being infected with the Delta variant that is now dominant, said Matt Keeling, a professor of populations and disease at the University of Warwick and a member of a Sage subcommittee focused on infectious disease modelling and epidemiology (Spi-M). Roughly half the UK is now fully vaccinated but Covid infections are surging again and hospitalisations are on the rise, driven by the spread of Delta and the lifting of some restrictions.

On Tuesday the UK reported 50 new deaths within 28 days of a positive test, the worst daily toll since early April, and 36,660 new Covid cases. Boris Johnson has confirmed plans to discard almost all restrictions in England next week, including mask-wearing and social distancing mandates, but has urged caution. Whether this unlocking is permanent or temporary will depend on precautions taken by the public and vaccination rates, Sage scientists have said. Suggesting that there would be a jump in cases whenever restrictions were lifted, Johnson on Monday said it would be better to unlock now, with the “natural firebreak” of the school summer holidays, than in the autumn or winter when the NHS will be under greater pressure.

Dr Marc Baguelin, of Imperial College London and a member of Spi-M, said on Tuesday that the modelling indicated there was limited benefit to delaying the reopening. “All that’s going to do is just push things down the line – we would get slightly more vaccination, but it wouldn’t make a huge difference,” he said. But he added: “If we are opening up now, which has been the decision, then it needs to be done gradually and with care.” Other scientists have vehemently opposed the unlocking next week, suggesting the government has decided to achieve herd immunity by in effect letting the virus run wild in young people, which they say will lead to disruptions in NHS care, education and more people getting long Covid.

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The land of fear.

UK’s Return To ‘Freedom’ : Masks, Tracking And Vaccine Passports (SN)

After weeks of denying that vaccine passports would be introduced into everyday domestic life in the UK, Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced Monday that the government will ask nightclubs, pubs, and anywhere where people gather to adopt the measure ‘as a matter of social responsibility’. The announcement was again completely vague, with little details on exactly what venues will be made to use the NHS COVID app system as “a means of entry,” or how it will be managed and enforced. The only details that were given by ministers are that it will be ‘encouraged’ anywhere where people are “likely to be in close proximity to others outside their household.” So everywhere then.

Government guidelines, published Monday also state that if sufficient measures are not taken to limit infection, the Government will “consider mandating certification in certain venues at a later date.” The announcement also comes on the heels of the government suggesting that while face masks and distancing measures will become optional, businesses and transport companies will be encouraged to make their own policies. In addition, the NHS ‘Test, Trace & Isolate’ system will also remain in place, meaning that people will still be subject to spontaneous house arrest orders. The government documents state that “Test, Trace and Isolate has an important ongoing role in managing the virus and reduces the risk of potentially dangerous variants spreading.”

“The Government expects the Test, Trace and Isolate system will remain necessary through the autumn and winter,” it adds. The guidance also states that “Anyone who tests positive will still need to self-isolate regardless of their vaccination status. Further details will be published in due course and the changes are likely to come into effect later in the summer.” The Prime Minster also stated Monday that the Government will keep Covid data under review “probably, I’m afraid, into next year” adding that he “will not hesitate” to re-impose restrictions if needed. The series of ‘freedom’ announcements has left journalists, business owners, MPs, and the general population asking what exactly they are being freed from.

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New Zealand needs oxygen. Too much nonsense to address.

UK’s ‘Awful Experiment’ Will Threaten NZ (NR.nz)

Recent months have seen a surge of support in the scientific community for the theory that the coronavirus pandemic is a result of gain-of-function experiments in a Wuhan virus lab, although the issue is still hotly contested and far from settled. What most experts can agree on is that the United Kingdom is about to embark on a country-wide experiment in gain-of-function research. By abolishing all public health restrictions with just half of the population fully vaccinated, the UK could produce new variants that evade vaccine-induced immunity. “If you are going to train a virus to escape vaccine-induced immunity, you would do exactly what they’re doing,” Jemma Geoghegan, an evolutionary virologist at the University of Otago, told Newsroom.

“You’re basically providing a training ground for the virus to overcome those selection pressures. You’re allowing the virus to continue to spread. With this moderately immune population and with the Delta variant that has an R0 that’s estimated to be probably five or six, you need a threshold to be much, much, much higher than they currently have.” If the United Kingdom had reached that threshold, then removing restrictions wouldn’t pose an issue because the virus would struggle to spread through a heavily vaccinated population. Now, however, it will be able to spread rapidly through the unvaccinated population and then infect many vaccinated people as well. And the more the virus spreads and reproduces, the more it mutates.

In particular, when it infects vaccinated people, the random mutations which enable it to pierce that vaccine-induced immunity are more likely to stick. It’s simply survival of the fittest. “Delta is not going to be the last variant. The semi-weak selection pressure for a virus, in this big population, it’s not good for the future of the vaccine. I’m sure that there is going to be some evolution of some sort of resistance,” Geoghegan said. That is, while vaccines remain highly effective at reducing severe disease, hospitalisations and deaths from existing variants of the virus, new variants could threaten that. And the United Kingdom’s opening up is more likely to produce those types of variants.

University of Auckland microbiologist Siouxsie Wiles said: “The question is, how much worse is Delta going to get? “They are running a really quite awful experiment.” This doesn’t just endanger New Zealand over the next few months, but in fact threatens to unroll the progress of the vaccine rollout in every country. If new variants reduce the effectiveness of vaccines, that extends the needed threshold for population immunity. And recent modelling from Te Pknaha Matatini found that, for New Zealand at least, a full 97 percent of the population would need to be vaccinated if vaccine efficacy fell to 70 percent and the dominant global variant was highly transmissible. That would make reaching immunity through vaccination alone effectively impossible. It would necessitate ongoing, low-level public health restrictions for an extended period of time, if not indefinitely.

For those countries which are not able to maintain those measures or which have failed to exclude Covid-19 to date, the picture would be even more grim. As British commentator Umair Haque wrote about the UK’s own fate: “A tiny portrait of the future of Britain’s public health goes like this. Restrictions lifted, just as a new wave surges exponentially. Bang — the Delta wave explodes. New variants breed like wildfire. Waves of new variants surge in a Pandemic Storm, if you like — Delta, Lambda, whatever’s next — and recombine into even deadlier ones. “The world shuts its doors. Covid does become a new flu in Britain, an endemic, seasonal illness, only with hundreds of times the mortality and hospitalisation rates of the flu, bringing society to its knees, over and over again. Every winter is a deadly one. Every summer is only the eye of a widening gyre.”

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They’re perfectly safe.

UK Covid Vaccines Deaths In 6 Months 4x Higher Than All Others In 11 Years (DE)

A freedom of information request made to the MHRA has revealed just how deadly the Covid-19 vaccines really are. The request made by Duncan Husband on the 29th May 2021 asked the MHRA to provide a list of all new vaccines in the UK between 2010 and 2020 and to also provide the number of deaths, per vaccine, per month for the same time frame. The MHRA fulfilled the FOI request on the 29th June 2021 and provided a full list of all approved vaccines and a vaccine analysis print for each type of vaccine excluding the Adacel jab which the MHRA claim they do not have any reports on. Unfortunately the provided data does not breakdown into each month as Duncan Husband requested but does provide an overall review over the past decade of the total number of adverse reactions and deaths which are as follows –

The Pediacel vaccine to tackle diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis was granted authorisation by the MHRA on the 3rd December 2010. As of the 8th April 2021 there have been 3013 adverse reactions and 15 deaths reported to the MHRA. The pneumococcal vaccine to tackle pneumonia was granted authorisation by the MHRA on the 20th May 2015. As of the 8th April 2021 there have been 8.238 adverse reactions and 38 deaths reported to the MHRA. The rabies vaccine from GlaxoSmithKline; in which Patrick Vallance has shares, was granted authorisation by the MHRA on the 6th April 2017. As of the 8th April 2021 there have been 2,387 adverse reactions and 1 death reported to the MHRA.

The VIVOTIF vaccine to tackle typhoid fever was granted authorisation by the MHRA on the 25th July 2018 As of the 8th April 2021 there have been 309 adverse reactions and 0 deaths reported to the MHRA. The mejugate vaccines to tackle meningitis were granted authorisation by the MHRA on the 31st March 2015. As of the 8th April 2021 there have been 9,980 adverse reactions and 2 deaths reported to the MHRA. The anthrax vaccine was granted authorisation by the MHRA on the 3rd May 2018. As of the 8th April 2021 there have been 294 adverse reactions and 0 deaths reported to the MHRA. The Hepatitis A vaccine was granted authorisation by the MHRA on the 24th December 2020. As of the 8th April 2021 there have been 848 adverse reactions and 1 death reported to the MHRA. The influenza vaccines, the earliest of which was granted authorisation in 2013, have had 23,068 adverse reactions and 227 deaths reported to the MHRA.

In all there have been 450 deaths among the 236,55 adverse reactions to the Pfizer mRNA vaccine reported to the MHRA Yellow Card scheme as of the 30th June 2021. The AstraZeneca jab has had 960 deaths among 775,940 adverse reactions reported to the MHRA Yellow Card scheme as of the 30th June 2021. There have also been 6 deaths among the 22,191 adverse reactions to the Moderna jab, and 24 deaths among the 2,690 adverse reactions reported where the brand of vaccine was not specified. This means that as of 30th June 2021 the Covid-19 vaccines have caused 1,037,376 adverse reactions and 1,440 deaths, and now they’re coming for your children and want to give booster jabs to the elderly and vulnerable in Autumn.

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The Church as the sole remaining voice of reason. Or are they afraid of the new Covid religion?

Holy Synod Of The Greek Church Recommends “Free Choice” For Vaccinations (KTG)

The Holy Synod of the Greek Church recommended on Tuesday the “free choice” for vaccination against Covid-19, vigilance in prayers” and “frequent participation in worshiping life.” Furthermore, the Holy Synod urged its members to “inform the faithful about the spiritual and regular teaching of the Church in matters of the pandemics.” This was stated in a press release issued after a meeting with the Health Minister and the country’s top epidemiologists Sotiris Tsiodras who asked the high-ranking clergymen to support and strengthen vaccinations in the country.


Neither the conservative minister nor the epidemiologist who also chants during religious services not even the Prime Minister last week could apparently convince the holy fathers to issue a circular urging priests and the faithful to wholehearted support the government’s vaccination program as infections spike. Apparently Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis was convinced about the full support of the Greek Church as he urged citizens to “listen to the Church” during his address to the nation on Monday.

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Everyone counts the way that appears most useful to their political ends.

New York Takes Conservative Approach Counting Virus Deaths (AP)

The federal government’s count of the COVID-19 death toll in New York has 11,000 more victims than the tally publicized by the administration of Gov. Andrew Cuomo, which has stuck with a far more conservative approach to counting virus deaths. The discrepancy in death counts continued to widen this year, according to an Associated Press review, even as the Democrat has come under fire over allegations that his office purposely obscured the number of deaths of nursing home residents to protect his reputation. New York state’s official death count, presented daily to the public and on the state’s Department of Health website, stood at around 43,000 this week. But the state has provided the federal government with data that shows roughly 54,000 people have died with COVID-19 as a cause or contributing factor listed on their death certificate.

“It’s a little strange,” said Bob Anderson, chief of the Mortality Statistics Branch at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Health Statistics. “They’re providing us with the death certificate information so they have it. I don’t know why they wouldn’t use those numbers.” Such a discrepancy can fuel distrust in government tallies of COVID-19 deaths, while making it harder for individuals to know why others in their community died in the pandemic, experts say. “We need to make sure we get it right, and people understand what the numbers are. And how we’re using them so they can’t be misused by people who have a motive to misuse them,” said Georges Benjamin, a physician and executive director at the American Public Health Association.

The Cuomo administration’s count includes only laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 deaths at hospitals, nursing homes and adult-care facilities. That means its tally excludes people who died at home, hospice, in state prisons or at state-run homes for people living with disabilities. It also excludes people who likely died of COVID-19 but never got a positive test to confirm the diagnosis. Tests were scarce in the early stages of New York’s outbreak. At least 5,000 New York City residents likely died of COVID-19 without a positive test, according to city statistics.

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Don’t be surprised if the US want back into Afghanistan shortly, claiming Taliban threat. Also, don’t be surprised if there’s no way back in.

New ‘Great Game’ Gets Back To Basics (Escobar)

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi is on a Central Asian loop all through the week. He’s visiting Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan. The last two are full members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, founded 20 years ago. The SCO heavyweights are of course China and Russia. They are joined by four Central Asian “stans” (all but Turkmenistan), India and Pakistan. Crucially, Afghanistan and Iran are observers, alongside Belarus and Mongolia. And that leads us to what’s happening this Wednesday in Dushanbe, the Tajik capital. The SCO will hold a 3 in 1: meetings of the Council of Foreign Ministers, the SCO-Afghanistan Contact Group, and a conference titled “Central and South Asia: Regional Connectivity, Challenges and Opportunities.”

At the same table, then, we will have Wang Yi, his very close strategic partner Sergey Lavrov and, most importantly, Afghan Foreign Minister Mohammad Haneef Atmar. They’ll be debating trials and tribulations after the hegemon’s withdrawal and the miserable collapse of the myth of NATO “stabilizing” Afghanistan. Let’s game a possible scenario: Wang Yi and Lavrov tell Atmar, in no uncertain terms, that there’s got to be a national reconciliation deal with the Taliban, brokered by Russia-China, with no American interference, including the end of the opium-heroin ratline. Russia-China extract from the Taliban a firm promise that jihadism won’t be allowed to fester. The endgame: loads of productive investment, Afghanistan is incorporated to Belt and Road and – later on – to the Eurasia Economic Union (EAEU).

The SCO’s joint statement on Wednesday will be particularly enlightening, perhaps detailing how the organization plans to coordinate a de facto Afghan peace process farther down the road. In this scenario, the SCO now has the chance to implement what it has been actively discussing for years: that only an Asian solution to the Afghan drama applies. Sun Zhuangzhi, executive director of the Chinese Research Center of the SCO, sums it all up: the organization is capable of coming up with a plan mixing political stability, economic and security development and a road map for infrastructure development projects. The Taliban agree. Spokesman Suhail Shaheen has stressed, “China is a friendly country that we welcome for reconstruction and developing Afghanistan.”

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  • #79748
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “Joe, may I suggest Little Round Top in Gettysburg?”

    He’s not worthy to set foot on that ground. Around 2007 or 8 they wanted to build a casino in gettysburg. I’m proud to say i signed the petition to stop it. If anything Joe is more like picketts charge.

    #79749
    Bill7
    Participant

    Patrick Lawrence- ‘The War Against Us’:

    PATRICK LAWRENCE: The War Against Us

    “The Biden blackout.”

    Thoughtful man and very good writer, I think.

    #79750
    Bill7
    Participant

    > Re: CJ Hopkins latest … I think he’s low when he figures only 25% of people aren’t “all in” on the so-called new normal. <

    I agree with you, upstate: I think he’s quite low with that estimate- even in my region.

    #79751
    Susmarie108
    Participant

    Hey Oxymoron,

    Keep asking questions. Keep dancing your life. Keep listening to BRAINWASHED by George Harrison (yes every song).

    You will get over yourself.

    Rising Sun

    On the street of villains
    Taken for a ride
    You can have the devil as a guide
    Crippled by the boundaries
    Programmed into guilt
    ‘Til your nervous system starts to tilt.
    And in the room of mirrors
    You can see for miles
    But everything that’s there is in disguise
    Every word you’ve uttered
    And every thought you’ve had
    Is all inside your file
    The good and the bad.
    But in the rising sun
    You can feel your life begin
    Universe at play inside your DNA
    You’re a billion years old today
    Oh the rising sun
    And the place it’s coming from
    Is inside of you and now your payment’s overdue
    Oh the rising sun
    Oh the rising sun
    On the avenue of sinners
    I have been employed
    Working there ’til I was near destroyed
    I was almost a statistic inside a doctor’s case
    When I heard the messenger from inner space
    He was sending me a signal that so for long I had Ignored
    But he held on to my umbilical cord
    Until the ghost of memory trapped in my body mind
    Came out of hiding to become alive.
    And in the rising sun
    You can hear your life begin
    And it’s here and there nowhere and everywhere
    Though it’s atmosphere is rare
    Oh the rising sun
    And the place that it’s coming from
    Is inside of me and now I feel it constantly
    Oh the rising sun
    Oh the rising sun
    But in the rising sun
    You can feel your life begin
    Universe at play inside your DNA
    You’re a billion years old today
    Oh the rising sun
    And the place it’s coming from
    Is inside of you and now your payment’s overdue
    Oh the rising sun
    Oh the rising sun
    Oh the rising sun

    By Geroge Harrison

    With LOVE,
    Susan

    #79752
    WES
    Participant

    DarkMatter:

    You raise a good point! I suspect that it is “mainly” older higher risk people who are dying from the vaccine’s spike proteins. People with the same risks who died from covid. But of course I have no data to back this up as you rightly point out! I doubt the CDC will provide the required data either!

    #79753
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Here’s the age distribution of the VAERS data for deaths following the Covid vaccines.

    From the 7/2/2021 release of VAERS data:
    Found 9,048 cases where Vaccine is COVID19 and Patient Died

    Age Serious Count Percent
    < 3 Years Yes 3 0.03%
    12-17 Years Yes 9 0.1%
    17-44 Years Yes 270 2.98%
    44-65 Years Yes 1,028 11.36%
    65-75 Years Yes 1,305 14.42%
    75+ Years Yes 3,360 37.14%
    Unknown Yes 3,073 33.96%
    TOTAL 9,048 100%

    https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/index.php

    #79754
    Mr. House
    Participant

    The Federal Reserve Has Radically Changed from a Central Bank to a Bailout Kingpin. Americans Just Haven’t Paid Attention – Until Tonight

    What came first the financial crisis or Covid?


    @Darkmatter

    No i think its fair, are they pushing mandatory jabs for just old at risk people with a gajillion comorbiditys or are they trying to force it on everyone? Didn’t you see the story the other day about the 13 yearold who was jabbed and died in his sleep? My generation has sacrificed its future so yinz old guys can have your 401ks and pensions, and now we’re sacrificing freedom itself so you might get to live a few more months? Such a raw deal which i never agreed to 😉

    #79755
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    VAERS currently shows 41,015 “serious” problems after Covid vaccination. Here’s the age distribution:

    From the 7/2/2021 release of VAERS data:
    Found 41,015 cases where Vaccine is COVID19 and Serious

    Age Serious Count Percent
    < 3 Years Yes 16 0.04%
    3-6 Years Yes 8 0.02%
    6-9 Years Yes 3 0.01%
    12-17 Years Yes 602 1.47%
    17-44 Years Yes 7,052 17.19%
    44-65 Years Yes 10,052 24.51%
    65-75 Years Yes 6,696 16.33%
    75+ Years Yes 8,976 21.88%
    Unknown Yes 7,610 18.55%
    TOTAL 41,015 100%

    #79756
    zerosum
    Participant

    115 synonyms for deception, including: defraudation, deceit, lying, guile​, treason, circumvention, cunning, mendacity, indirection, prevarication

    synonyms for diversion, including: distraction, deviation, detour, deflection, , alteration, departure, divergence, play, digression, entertainment

    synonyms for lies · deception · distortion · evasion · falsehood · fiction · forgery · myth · slander …

    #79757
    WES
    Participant

    Doc Robinson:

    You just made a lier out of me! The only compensation is I guessed right about old folks mainly dying. I based my guess on comments from a TAE commentator from Spain who mentioned how so many old folks were dying after getting the vaccine in old folks homes that health care workers were being laid off. Also another US TAE commentator noted that a friend who runs a nursing home didn’t lose anybody to covid but sure did to the vaccine!

    #79758
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    More VAERS data: shows 7,397 cases where patient became disabled after getting the Covid vaccination. Below is the age distribution. Here’s the first case listed (out of 7,397):


    Vaccinated: 2020-12-16
    Onset: 2020-12-16
    Permanent Disability? Yes
    Hospitalized? Yes, 3 days

    Write-up: Patient is a pleasant 83 y.o. female pediatrician with history of Sjogren”s, hypothyroidism, hyperlipidemia, hypertension who had been at Hospital to get her Covid vaccine. 30 minutes after doing so she reports being in the lobby and about to walk upstairs and feeling fine. The next thing she knows she wakes up on the stairs with her nose and face bleeding surrounded by healthcare team. She denies any precipitating symptoms such as chest pain, shortness of breath, fevers dizziness, headache. She reports feeling well otherwise in the last few days. I did a thorough bony palpation exam including spine and he only point of tenderness besides on her face was the area above her right ankle. She does not have a history of syncope or collapse

    From the 7/2/2021 release of VAERS data:
    Found 7,397 cases where Vaccine is COVID19 and Patient Did Not Die and Disabled

    Age Serious Count Percent
    < 3 Years Yes 3 0.04%
    3-6 Years Yes 4 0.05%
    6-9 Years Yes 1 0.01%
    12-17 Years Yes 23 0.31%
    17-44 Years Yes 1,592 21.52%
    44-65 Years Yes 2,402 32.47%
    65-75 Years Yes 1,139 15.4%
    75+ Years Yes 846 11.44%
    Unknown Yes 1,387 18.75%
    TOTAL 7,397 100%

    #79759
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    @ WES

    With 33% of the reported deaths (so far) being listed as having an “Unknown” age, you may still be right about the CDC withholding age data.

    #79760
    Maxwell Quest
    Participant

    The latest mask-related anecdote:

    A few weeks ago, I decided it was time resist the policy which requires only the unvaccinated to mask up in some establishments. And so it happened, I was busted in the local coffee shop for not wearing a mask by an acquaintance who knew that I was unvaccinated. She walked up to me waving her finger asking why I was unmasked. I replied, “Wait a second, I thought you were fully vaccinated, so why are you wearing a mask?”. Without missing a beat, she shot back, “Because of people like you who refuse to get vaccinated, that’s why!”. Sigh.

    It makes no logical sense that after being fully vaccinated, she could still perceive me as a health threat. But such is the key tenet of the new Covid religion: that ALL must be vaccinated or else no one is safe. It’s like a fundamentalist Christian claiming that my unwillingness to join his sect will keep him from being “saved”, whatever that means. Why not just say, “Well, good luck with dying!”, like the other fine chap, and go on your merry way feeling safe, smug, and superior?

    But as CJ Hopkins pointed out in his latest article:

    “They [the facts] do not make the slightest difference to the vast majority of New Normals, anyway. As I’ve noted in several previous columns, these people have surrendered their rationality, and have been subsumed into a totalitarian movement, which has become their perceptual and social “reality,” which their “sanity” now depends upon defending, so the facts mean absolutely nothing to them.”

    #79761
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Maxwell: “She walked up to me waving her finger…”

    Reminds me of the film Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

    CJ Hopkins: “these people have surrendered their rationality…”

    Invasion of the Rationality Surrenderers?

    #79762
    zerosum
    Participant

    I’m leaning towards always wearing a mask just so I can say, to fully vaccinated people, “Because of people like you, who believe that they can still get infected”.

    #79763
    Mr. House
    Participant
    #79764
    chettt
    Participant

    So now I don’t know what to think. The CDC report says that 99.2% of all covid deaths are among the unvacc’d. Yesterday we saw a chart from the Israeli ministry of health which illustrated that new covid infections were equally distributed among the vax’d and unvax’d in roughly the same percentage as the vax’d ratio. Can they both be right? We have been told that the vax will not stop you from getting infected but will significantly reduce. Is the vax that good at reducing fatalities? I am in a high risk group and this is the kind of data that just might make me change my mind and get the jab.

    #79765
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Ok, enough.

    I’ll apologize upfront because I’ve had a couple vodka & tonics so I’m mouthy. But this from Dark Matter …

    “The covid risk vs. vaccine risk analysis is unfair. The covid risk calculator factors in age, comorbidities, etc. while the VAERS calculation does not. You would need a similar VAERS calculator to tell you what the risks of dying of the vaccine are for an apple to apples comparison.”

    Why are we even arguing about this? You want the flipping vaxx? So go ahead and get it. As far as I can tell, no one is telling you not to.

    I don’t want the vaxx. So just flipping leave me alone. Why should anyone tell me I have to get it?

    We’re spending time on ridiculous circular arguments. The vaxx doesn’t prevent anyone from getting infected. It doesn’t prevent anyone from spreading infection. I’m not saying that, the manufacturers are saying that. It also has serious adverse events. You want to play the roulette wheel? Go ahead.

    Leave those of us who will not get the vaxx alone. We’ll be fine without your HELP. Thank you.

    #79766
    Mr. House
    Participant

    From Oct 2020

    They knew before they even started to give them

    #79767
    Mr. House
    Participant
    #79768
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @oxy: hello, Nathan. Nice to meet you. 🙂 I think you’re on to something with today’s post. I’ll spend time contemplating. Thank you.

    #79769
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    It is tragic that masking became politicalized. It is another way to tell who the “Others” are besides skin color. It means that proven public health measures will never be adopted in the West. This is why the public health officials in New Zealand are sounding so desperate.

    Israel data indicates the mRNA vaccines cut transmission to 64% after it reopening. I read a comment that it is now 33%. The corporations up front say that the immunity wanes after 8 months. Front-line workers jabbed in January will now start to be re-infected. If 66% of the vaccinated can be re-infected by new variants without a booster shot next year, there is no way there ever will be herd immunity. The 3rd and 4th shots are reported to have even more adverse effects than the first two.

    Boris Johnson has made a conscious decision to “let it rip”. The lives of the citizens of the UK do not matter. The Joe Bidden/Kamala Harris Administration by lies, inaction, and corruption have not instituting a national public health campaign to eradicate the virus. No different than the Trump Administration. By default the ruling class is letting the virus run loose in North America. There are numerous flights between Canada, Mexico and the USA and within each nation to transport the infected. It is up in the air, what the next waves will look like, if it becomes another flu, or fades away. No matter, unvaccinated deplorables will be blamed for whatever happens.

    #79770
    Oroboros
    Participant

    A huge number of doctors don’t even know about VERS and a lot who do are scared to report for fear of reprisals.

    I’ve heard from doctors (with Balls) trying to do the right thing and fill out a VERS report. with they do see adverse reactions and deaths.

    Its very elaborate and complex form and if ANY part of the VERS report is missing or incomplete, the report will NOT be processed. Period.

    So the Harvard Pilgrim report that says only about 1% OR LESS of adverse reactions are reported is not taking into account the reports that are not ‘properly’ filled out.

    So at roughly 9000+ deaths reported in the US to date MULTIPLIED by 100, that would mean, by Harvard Pilgrims own stated report, that the REAL number of deaths from the mRNA shots in the US is not 9000 but 900,000.

    Harvard has NOT backed off on their claim of 1% reportage so far.

    Is no one doing the math here???

    Oh well, almost a million deaths from the ‘vaccine’ must just be a rounding error by dumbed down US professionals.

    #79771
    Oroboros
    Participant

    sorry for misspelling VAERS

    #79772
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @oros: I read about the Harvard study on the VAERS – it was done back in 2010-2012 or so, I believe? The CDC itself contracted with Harvard to perform the study. When the CDC saw the results the study was placed on a shelf to gather dust. No actions were taken.

    Perhaps there are others on here who recall that study and saved a link?

    #79773
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Dr David Martin

    Linguistic Genomics
    Aug 24, 2020

    The Corona virus patents started in 1999

    #79774

    No.
    If I can’t say “no”, I don’t have free will.
    If I can never accept “no” or avoid it like the plague, I am probably a pain in the ass.

    I had written so much more but I keep going back and deleting it. Pithy is what I want- even if it ends up being obscure.

    #79775
    Oroboros
    Participant

    The full Plandemic video

    [video src="https://archive.org/download/youtube-SUxj0Alpes9/Plandemic_II_-_Indoctornation_FULL_MOVIE-SUxj0Alpes9.mp4" /]

    #79776
    DarkMatter
    Participant

    @upstateNYer

    Why are we even arguing about this?

    I think argue is too strong a word, but the reason I pointed it out is this: I dislike poor logic in support of something I believe to be true. It taints the truth and supports people who argue against it.

    #79777
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @darkmatter: “I dislike poor logic in support of something …”

    But the “forced narrative” (aka MSM) is doing exactly that on a second-by-second basis, all day every day. Why not argue with them instead?

    #79778
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @darkmatter: PS … in using the word “argue” I didn’t intend to call out this specific instance in these ongoing comments. My apologies to you. I’m sorry.

    But we’ve been “debating” (is that a better word?) this topic on TAE for months. Time we stop debating, stand up, just say wtf hill it is we are willing to die on. Is this one it? Idk. But when it comes to taking a stand, the time for debate is over.

    Madamski will jump in here at some point, I’m sure. Btw, madam, I identify as a dudette. 😉

    #79779
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    @ John Day

    “Life is complex and adaptive, growing this way, then that way, like a tomato vine, not usually like a field of regimented cornstalks, awaiting the combine….”

    That is poetically summative. Me like.

    %^&

    We’re such sentimental creatures. On one hand, we decry the huge % of humans whom we perceive as being dangerously stupid or brainwashed or whatever, on the other hand, we’re outraged that such people are willingly walking toward soimething that looks like maybe/kinda slaughter.

    It’s nice that we care so much about each either, well, at least enough to denounce those who take advantage of the credulity of the average modern person.

    Economic bubbles must pop; we all here understand this. Well, so must population bubbles.. The functionally stupid must face the consequences of their actions whether they or we like it or not. Asking government to fix it or at least stay out of it is like asking a Mafia goon to do surgery to replace with an artificial kneecap the one he just busted with a baseball bat.

    Makes me wanna sing something strong and proud, brave and true:

    The Detroit tribe

    #79780
    ezlxa1949
    Participant

    The Conversation this morning had an article entitled “Indonesia records its highest increase in COVID cases –– and numbers are likely to rise again before they fall”.

    I thought I’d comment that on top of everything else they are doing there, Indofarm are going to make ivermectin tablets in Indonesia, and that I would cite the report in TAE of 5/7.

    Guess what: my post disappeared immediately. This has happened before. Could it be a simple computer error, is has the objective, data-seeking Conversation started screening out alternative viewpoints? Is it worth trying again? Probably not. An iron curtain has descended.

    #79781
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    ” “Wait a second, I thought you were fully vaccinated, so why are you wearing a mask?”. Without missing a beat, she shot back, “Because of people like you who refuse to get vaccinated, that’s why!”. Sigh.”

    You forgot the punchline: “You’re vaccinated? Then you’re supposed to be safe from covid. That’s what REAL vaccines do. Do people with flu vaccines wear a mask during flu season? Are you too fucking stupid to know what a REAL vsafccine is, or are you just an dumb cunt? P.S. FUck your business. I won’t be back.”

    But then, I tire fast of fools messing with my high. I like being happy, you know? And, as Miles Davis said to Clark Terry when Clark admitted he hadn’t told anyone to kiss his ass recently.

    “Clark? How you gonna be happy if you don’t tell assholes to kiss off?”

    #79782
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Jim Kunstler’s mantra for our age is ‘Anything Goes and Nothing Matters’

    If you lose the Rule of Law, which seems like it’s MIA, you are left with the Law of the Jungle.

    The Texas Governor has said flat out that the Democratic legislators who fled Texas to avoid voting on a bill will be arrested when they return to Texas.

    Will Bedpan Biden try to protect them from arrest with Federal Marshals?

    We’ll see shortly.

    When you start having one branch of law enforcement arresting another branch of law enforcement, well, you’re very close to civil war.

    A small sample to setup the confrontation.

    “An ordinance passed by Newton County, Missouri, not only nullifies new federal controls within the county but also makes clear the sheriff can arrest federal agents attempting to enforce those gun controls inside county lines…”

    Most people in the US are not aware of the power of County Sheriffs.
    They hold almost ultimate say so of what goes on within their county lines, even superseding federal agents.

    Different levels of government completely ignoring other agency’s mandates.

    You want ‘sanctuary cities’ for illegal immigrants?

    Well get ready for ‘sanctuary counties’ where guns are totally legal and lock downs, masks and vaccine passports are totally illegal.

    The Sky is the Limit Anything Goes and Nothing Matters

    #79783
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “Btw, madam, I identify as a dudette. 😉”

    I almost wrote “dudette” but wasn’t sure, and love the word ‘dudesicle’. Besides, words and ideas lack gender deespite silly cultures likie France pretending otherwise.

    Everybody argue all you want. We’re here to inform, entertain, and assuage ourselves, for the most part. We do a little problem-solve brain-storming here and there to look legit but we’re here to distract ourselves from aspects of reality we prefer not to engage with, for the most part.

    We kvetch, therefore we is.

    #79784
    ctbarnum
    Participant

    From Denninger: FDA Advisory Committee Vaccine and Related Biological Products- 10/22/2020 making the rounds on YouTube. The “rushed” slide here.

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?getimagenr=124240

    #79785
    Bill7
    Participant

    usstates said: “We’re spending time on ridiculous circular arguments. The vaxx doesn’t prevent anyone from getting infected. It doesn’t prevent anyone from spreading infection. I’m not saying that, the manufacturers are saying that. It also has serious adverse events..”

    You’d guess any thinking person would notice this in around .8 seconds, and you’d be oddly wrong, wrong, wrong.

    what a time.

    #79786
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Bedpan Old White Shuffling Joe’s Door to Door Shock Troops pushing experimental nRNA therapy are going to get their heads handed back to them on a stick.

    Even if local authorities are dumb enough to try and carry water for the federal gov and Old Bedpan, they too will Feel the Burn.

    The videos will go viral on Bitchute and Odysee and other alternative platforms showing OberGruppenführer Fauci’s mini-me SS-Sturmscharführers trying to forcibly intimidate homeowner into getting a ‘vaccine’ (spike protein ‘death shot’)

    That will be entertaining bread & circus.

    #79787
    Bill7
    Participant

    > The Conversation this morning had an article entitled “Indonesia records its highest increase in COVID cases –– and numbers are likely to rise again before they fall”. <

    I’ll start paying attention to headlines like this just as soon as there is a clear, verifiable, and unchanging
    definition of a “COVID case”.

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