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René Magritte The son of man 1946


Fauci and the NIH Knew Covid-19 “Vaccines” Could Lead to ADE (Ghion)
Informed Consent Disclosure To Vaccine Trial Subjects Of ADE Risk (Wiley)
How Much Spike Protein Is Being Made (Lincoln)
Unvaccinated People Need to Bear the Burden (Atl.)
Covid-19 Natural Immunity Compared To Vaccine-induced Immunity (Attkisson)
My Own Country Kicked Me Out Because My Immunity Was Acquired Naturally (RT)
A Plea To Allow The Use Of Ivermectin As Covid-19 Treatment (Biz)
Biden Message For DeSantis On Covid Mask Opposition: ‘Get Out Of The Way’ (MH)
Mayor De Blasio And Governor Cuomo Are Pushing Hard For Vaccinations (F.)
Vaccine Cards Are Just The Beginning (Whitehead)
We Stand in Solidarity with Dr. Peter McCullough MD (Change)
Julian Assange: Peering Through The Murk (Rozenberg)
America Has Become Its Own Worst Enemy (Unherd)
Meet Your New Feudal Overlords (Weems)
2020: A Propaganda Masterpiece (Perspectives on the Pandemic)



To ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles—this they name empire;
and where they make a desert, they call it peace.

— Tacitus (quoting Calgacus), Agricola 30.



Vaccine safety under Trump





“..over 160 million Americans and more than 2 billion people around the world were never told about the distinct possibility that they could end up developing a disease called Antibody-Dependent Enhancement (ADE).”

Fauci and the NIH Knew Covid-19 “Vaccines” Could Lead to ADE (Ghion)

Late last night, an anonymous source forwarded a screenshot of a report attributed to Timothy Cardozo and Ronald Veazey that is found at the bottom of NIH’s website. The report specifically warned of the distinct possibility that people who are injected with Covid-19 “vaccines” could develop the very Antibody-Dependent Enhancement that Dr. Malone keeps ringing the alarm about. Not only was this information suppressed from the public, the government-media-corporate complex went out of their way to censor—in the case of Dr. Malone destroy—anyone who questions the safety and efficacy of these boosters that are still undergoing clinical trials. Even though I knew all along that the US government, and governments around the world, were lying through their teeth about the origins of Covid-19 and were likewise peddling medical misinformation about the scientific integrity of the “vaccines”, it was still shocking to read the following paragraph right on NIH’s website:

“The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials, as well as those being recruited for the trials and future patients after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent.” [source NIH] Despite Cardozo and Veazey’s explicit instruction that NIH must disclose the full risks of the “vaccines” to test subjects in the clinical trials that were conducted last year as well as to all recipients once the “vaccines” garnered approval for general use, over 160 million Americans and more than 2 billion people around the world were never told about the distinct possibility that they could end up developing a disease called Antibody-Dependent Enhancement (ADE).

A significant percentage of the world’s population is now at risk of contracting an ailment that could lead to their body’s natural immune system getting compromised and attacking their vital organs. If that sounds familiar, that is because ADE is an autoimmune disease that is very similar to HIV/AIDs. [..] This is not some fluke occurrence that could not have been foreseen, “vaccines” that produce spiked proteins by way of mRNA or adenovirus were studied on lab animals—specifically ferrets and cats because they are more susceptible to Coronavirus—for over twenty years. Though the test subjects initially acquired synthetic antibodies, once their immunization window expired and they were challenged with SARS-CoV-1, the lab animals that were injected with the “vaccines” were wiped out.

The warning on NIH’s website was alluding to this very real possibility but the very authorities we entrust to protect us instead concealed this information and conditioned billions of people to get jabbed without informed consent. Every plutocrat, politician and opinion leader who took part in this conspiracy of silence should be frogmarched and tried before an international tribunal similar to the trials Nazis faced after World War II for violating the Nuremberg codes and committing brutalities that will once day be judged to exceed the evils of Hitler.

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This from October 2020 is the basis for the article above, both referenced by Dr. Robert Malone.

Informed Consent Disclosure To Vaccine Trial Subjects Of ADE Risk (Wiley)

Vaccine-elicited enhancement of disease was previously observed in human subjects with vaccines for respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), dengue virus and measles.1 Vaccine-elicited enhancement of disease was also observed with the SARS and MERS viruses and with feline coronavirus, which are closely related to SARS-CoV-2, the causative pathogen of COVID-19 disease. The immune mechanisms of this enhancement have invariably involved antibodies, from direct antibody-dependent enhancement, to immune complex formation by antibodies, albeit accompanied by various coordinated cellular responses, such as Th2 T-cell skewing. Notably, both neutralising and non-neutralising antibodies have been implicated.

A recent study revealed IgG-mediated acute lung injury in vivo in macaques infected with SARS that correlated with a vaccine-elicited, neutralising antibody response.8 Inflammation and tissue damage in the lung in this animal model recapitulated the inflammation and tissue damage in the lungs of SARS-infected patients who succumbed to the disease. The time course was also similar, with the worst damage occurring in delayed fashion in synchrony with ramping up of the immune response. Remarkably, neutralising antibodies controlled the virus in the animal, but then would precipitate a severe, tissue-damaging, inflammatory response in the lung.

This is a similar profile to immune complex-mediated disease seen with RSV vaccines in the past, wherein vaccinees succumbed to fatal enhanced RSV disease because of the formation of antibody-virus immune complexes that precipitated harmful, inflammatory immune responses. It is also similar to the clinical course of COVID-19 patients, in whom severe COVID-19 disease is associated with the development of anti-SARS-CoV-2 serum antibodies, with titres correlating directly with the severity of disease. Conversely, subjects who recover quickly may have low or no anti-SARS-CoV-2 serum antibodies.

The elicitation of antibodies, specifically neutralising antibodies, is the goal of nearly every current SARS-CoV-2 vaccine candidate. The prior evidence that vaccine-elicited, antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) of disease is likely to occur to some degree with COVID-19 vaccines is vertically consistent from controlled SARS studies in primates to clinical observations in SARS and COVID-19. Thus, a finite, non-theoretical risk is evident in the medical literature that vaccine candidates composed of the SARS-CoV-2 viral spike and eliciting anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies, be they neutralising or not, place vaccinees at higher risk for more severe COVID-19 disease when they encounter circulating viruses.

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Fun with numbers. Much more at the link.

How Much Spike Protein Is Being Made (Lincoln)

This thread is to shed a bit of light on the mysteries of how much spike protein is being made, where it is going and how is it going there. Sadly our captured regulatory agencies did not insist the mfr do so
1/ I start by estimating how much spike protein is being created by the mRNA vaccines
2/We know there is 30 microgram for Pfizer
3/Molecular weight is estimated at > 1.25 x10^6 gm/mole. (~330 gm per mole of nucleotide). This comes out to 30 x 10^-6 grams/ 1.25 x 10^6 gm/mole =24 x 10^-12 moles. 6 x 10^23 molecules/mole x 24 x 10^-12 moles =14.4x 10^12 molecules mRNA (14.4trillion)
4/14.4 trillion spike protein if 1 mRNA produces 1 spike protein. A more reasonable number is 1000 spike per mRNA X1000 14,400 trillion spikes
5/So basically 30 micrograms of mRNA will theoretically produce about 14,400 trillion individual spike proteins (if 100% efficient)
6/Now we ask this. How many cells are transfected by the vaccines. In other words, how many mRNA molecules are in each LNP
7/Since we can estimate how many mRNA molecules there are (14.4 trillion for Pfizer), we must estimate how many LNP’s
8/First we must estimate the size of LNP “Together with the mRNA, these components form particles of about 60–100 nm in size by using a rapid mixing production technique (Evers et al., 2018).”
9/So lets call it 80 nm and assume a spherical shape.
10/So LNP particles of 80 nm have a total weight of about 0.5 mg. Lipids are typically less dense than water but using the density of water we may estimate the volume of 0.5 mg as 5 x 10^17 cubic nm

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These people have lost their connection to the world. This girl wants unvaccinated on a no-fly list. But not because of the flying, no, the problem occurs when they leave the airport:

“..air-filtration systems and mask requirements make transmission of the coronavirus unlikely during any given passenger flight, infected people can spread it when they leave the airport and take off their mask…”

Unvaccinated People Need to Bear the Burden (Atl.)

When you go to the airport, you see two kinds of security rules. Some apply equally to everyone; no one can carry weapons through the TSA checkpoint. But other protocols divide passengers into categories according to how much of a threat the government thinks they pose. If you submit to heightened scrutiny in advance, TSA PreCheck lets you go through security without taking off your shoes; a no-fly list keeps certain people off the plane entirely. Not everyone poses an equal threat. Rifling through the bags of every business traveler and patting down every preschooler and octogenarian would waste the TSA’s time and needlessly burden many passengers. The same principle applies to limiting the spread of the coronavirus.

The number of COVID-19 cases keeps growing, even though remarkably safe, effective vaccines are widely available, at least to adults. Many public agencies are responding by reimposing masking rules on everyone. But at this stage of the pandemic, tougher universal restrictions are not the solution to continuing viral spread. While flying, vaccinated people should no longer carry the burden for unvaccinated people. The White House has rejected a nationwide vaccine mandate—a sweeping suggestion that the Biden administration could not easily enact if it wanted to—but a no-fly list for unvaccinated adults is an obvious step that the federal government should take. It will help limit the risk of transmission at destinations where unvaccinated people travel—and, by setting norms that restrict certain privileges to vaccinated people, will also help raise the stagnant vaccination rates that are keeping both the economy and society from fully recovering.

Flying is not a right, and the case for restricting it to vaccinated people is straightforward: The federal government is the sole entity that can regulate the terms and conditions of airline safety. And although air-filtration systems and mask requirements make transmission of the coronavirus unlikely during any given passenger flight, infected people can spread it when they leave the airport and take off their mask. The whole point of international-travel bans is to curb infections in the destination country; to protect itself, the United States still has many such restrictions in place. Beyond limiting the virus’s flow from hot spots to the rest of the country, allowing only vaccinated people on domestic flights will change minds, too.

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A long list of articles about natural immunity.

Covid-19 Natural Immunity Compared To Vaccine-induced Immunity (Attkisson)

Hard data counters widespread public misinformation that claimed “virtually all” patients hospitalized and dying of Covid-19 are unvaccinated. Pfizer and Moderna had claimed their vaccines were “100% effective” at preventing serious illness. Many in the media even popularized a propaganda phrase designed to push more people to get vaccinated: “pandemic of the unvaccinated.” Not so, says CDC and other data. Recent CDC data found that 74% of those who tested positive for Covid-19 in a Massachusetts analysis had been fully-vaccinated. Equally as troubling for those advocating vaccination-for-all: four out of five people hospitalized with Covid were fully-vaccinated. And CDC said “viral load” — indicating how able the human host is to spread Covid-19 — is about the same among the vaccinated and unvaccinated.

Contrary to the infamous misinformation by CDC Director Rochelle Walensky last May, vaccinated people can— and are— spreading Covid. (CDC officials later corrected Walensky’s false claim.) CDC’s newest findings on so-called “breakthrough” infections in vaccinated people are mirrored by other data releases. Illinois health officials recently announced more than 160 fully-vaccinated people have died of Covid-19, and at least 644 been hospitalized; ten deaths and 51 hospitalizations counted in the prior week. Israel’s Health Ministry recently said effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine has fallen to 40 percent. Last month, 100 vaccinated British sailors isolated on a ship at sea reportedly came down with Covid seven weeks into their deployment.

In July, New Jersey reported 49 fully vaccinated residents had died of Covid; 27 in Louisiana; 80 in Massachusetts. Nationally, as of July 12, CDC said it was aware of more than 4,400 people who got Covid-19 after being fully vaccinated and had to be hospitalized; and 1,063 fully vaccinated people who died of Covid. But health officials still argue that vaccinated people make up only a small fraction of the seriously ill. Critics counter that CDC’s recent Massachusetts data calls that into question.

[..] As of May 29, CDC estimated more than 120 million Americans— more than one in three— had already battled Covid. While an estimated six-tenths of one-percent died, the other 99.4% of those infected survived with a presumed immune status that appears to be superior to that which comes with vaccination. If doctors could routinely test to confirm who has fought off and become immune to Covid-19, it would eliminate the practical need or rationale for those protected millions to get vaccinated. It would also allow them to avoid even the slight risk of serious vaccine side effects. Unfortunately, virologists say no commonly-used test can detect with certainty whether a person is immune.

A common misconception is that antibody tests can make that determination. But experts say immunity after infection or exposure often comes without a person producing or maintaining measurable antibodies. Because of that reality, people who have had asymptomatic infections — infections where they suffered no symptoms — have no easy way to know that they’re immune. However, a growing body of evidence indicates that the millions who know they got Covid can be assured they’re unlikely to suffer reinfection, for at least as long of a time period that scientists have been able to measure. Possibly far beyond.

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Rachel Marsden. Canada. Vying for first place in idiocy with Australia.

My Own Country Kicked Me Out Because My Immunity Was Acquired Naturally (RT)

I went home to visit my mother. Canada tried to force me into a Covid detention facility threatening fines and police action as they don’t recognize my natural immunity. I had no choice but to immediately fly back to Europe.
At the time of writing, I’m at an altitude of exactly 11,277m, 5,230km away from Vancouver, Canada, and 3,159km from my stopover in Munich, Germany, en route back to Paris, France. Where I really should be is relaxing on the backyard patio or in the jacuzzi at my home near Vancouver with a cold drink on a hot summer day. Instead, I’m on a Lufthansa flight heading back to Paris – just a few hours after arriving across the ocean on a 10-hour flight – because my own country’s officials kicked me out.

All because I committed the apparent violation of trying to re-enter my own country with proof of naturally acquired Covid-19 antibodies made by my own immune system post-recovery rather than those generated by the manmade Covid-19 vaccine about which much is still to be learned. Daily life for a Covid-19 survivor with natural immunity from the disease is not for the faint of heart. As someone with a high level of laboratory tested antibodies whose levels have yet to drop even after several months post-illness, my doctor has advised against vaccination. Much is obviously still to be learned about the Covid jabs, still in stage 3 of clinical trials and considered experimental by health authorities – particularly with reports abounding of breakthrough cases of vaccinated people catching and spreading Covid.

To protect and preserve my acquired immunity by opting out of vaccination that risks interfering with it or causing a risk to my health, France now requires me to succumb to nasal swab antigen tests every 48 hours if I wish to continue accessing everyday venues like public transit, gyms, restaurants, some shopping malls, and bars. But it’s a price that I’m willing to pay for my health.

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From South Africa.

A Plea To Allow The Use Of Ivermectin As Covid-19 Treatment (Biz)

Twenty countries are using Ivermectin to treat Covid-19. They include Mexico, Guatemala, Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Portugal, Nigeria, and Egypt. In South Africa doctors are allowed to prescribe Ivermectin, but it is not being rolled out everywhere and in hospitals and clinics. According to Jackie Stone, a doctor in Zimbabwe, since January – when Ivermectin began to be used – it has cut COVID hospital admissions and deaths over 70%. “The death rate rose sharply in January and peaked on the 25th at 70 deaths per day. Official authorisation for the use of Ivermectin was granted on 26th January. Just one month later, on 26th February, the COVID death rate had fallen to zero”.

A meta-analysis gold standard review of 24 randomised trials conducted in 15 countries among more than 3400 people worldwide of clinical trials – just released by the BIRD group in the UK – showed that deaths are dramatically reduced when Ivermectin is administered. Published in the American Journal of Therapeutics the most rigorous statistical standards were applied by world-leading biostatistician, Mr Andrew Bryant, and medical doctor and researcher Dr Tess Lawrie. The results concluded that Ivermectin has an over 70% success in preventing deaths in hospitalised patients. Mexico City authorities created a home-treatment-kit, including Ivermectin, for its 22 million-strong population in December 2020 and cut hospitalisations by over 70%.

Those Indian states that adopted Ivermectin policies saw their cases fall far more than 80%; Uttar Pradesh – down 98% [37,944 to 596], Uttarakhand – down 97% [9642 to 287] and Goa – down 90% [4195 to 423]. Delhi saw a 99% drop [28,395 to 238]. The bottom line is that Ivermectin works, and it works extraordinarily well. You do not need to be a scientist to understand these numbers, as they are self-evident. If South Africa had a policy of testing and treating – as does Mexico City, which has emptied its hospitals since they implemented it, does – and of using Ivermectin for prevention for health workers and those not vaccinated – we could end the effects of the pandemic here.

Besides cutting hospitalisations and deaths Ivermectin can also be used as a preventative. In Argentina, 788 health workers took Ivermectin weekly and 407 did not. After ten weeks, 58% of those not taking Ivermectin had become sick – but not one of those who took it became sick. The use of Ivermectin has been restricted because the WHO says that further clinical trials are needed before they can recommend it. When asked about this, Dr Stone replied, “I find it very hard to understand how they can say that there is not sufficient evidence. There are three thousand patients plus in, I think, twenty-four trials where they demonstrate an over 75% reduction in mortality. Those figures fit exactly with what we have seen.”

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Of course Florida is mostly fine, but you already guessed that. This is about raw power, and about DeSantis being popular.

Biden Message For DeSantis On Covid Mask Opposition: ‘Get Out Of The Way’ (MH)

President Joe Biden delivered a stern message on Tuesday to Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis over the Republican’s opposition to mask mandates: “Get out of the way.” DeSantis has attributed the state’s uptick in COVID-19 cases to seasonal factors and rejected calls to impose a mask mandate. He last week signed an executive order threatening to withhold state funds from school districts that put mask mandates in place to follow federal health guidance for areas experiencing a surge in coronavirus cases.

“Look, we need leadership from everyone. If some governors aren’t willing to do the right thing to beat this pandemic, then they should allow businesses and universities who want to do the right thing to be able to do it,” Biden said in remarks about the pandemic. “I say to these governors please help. But if you are not going to help, at least get out of the way of the people who are trying to do the right thing. Use your power to save lives.” For the third consecutive day, COVID-19 hospitalizations in Florida reached a pandemic high at 11,863 patients. Federal health officials said on Monday that one in three cases of coronavirus nationwide occurred in Florida and Texas last week. [..] DeSantis has likened the recent surge to the spike in cases last summer.

“These things have a pattern,” he said last month. “We saw the pattern last summer. It’s similar. I think it started a little later. I think people should just be prepared for that.” At a news conference in the Everglades on Tuesday, DeSantis repeated his belief that the surge will subside soon, saying: “These things come — you know we have summer season for whatever reason in the Sunbelt and particularly Florida, you know. It will probably come back in the winter, just like last year, not as much as the Northeast, but we’ll see.” DeSantis also downplayed the surge in hospitalizations and did not address the increasing strain on hospital staff. “Our hospitals are open for business,” he said, adding that in hospitals with high COVID cases, those patients “represent a fraction of the overall hospital beds.”

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They should both go.

Mayor De Blasio And Governor Cuomo Are Pushing Hard For Vaccinations (F.)

The surge of the Delta variant has prompted New York City and state officials to take swift action. This week, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio recommended that residents of the city wear masks when inside with crowds, even if you’re vaccinated. De Blasio said, “We want to strongly recommend that people wear a mask in indoor settings, even if you’re vaccinated.” The mayor added, “This is particularly true of course if you might be around anyone unvaccinated.” De Blasio emphasized, “Vaccination, vaccination, vaccination, that’s the ballgame.” He offered a $100 financial incentive for people to get their shots. City workers won’t have a choice, and will be mandated to get vaccinated. Additionally, all new government hires will have to show proof of vaccination or else they can’t start their jobs.

The Mayor will also be initiating a “Key to NYC Pass,” which is like the Covid-19 passport talked about a few months ago. It’s a carrot-and-stick approach, as people will be required to show that they are vaccinated if they want to go to restaurants, gyms and other events. No vaccinations, no entrance. “If you want to participate in society fully, you’ve got to get vaccinated,” de Blasio proclaimed. “If we’re going to stop the Delta variant, the time is now,” said the mayor. “This is going to make clear, you want to enjoy everything great in this summer of New York City? Go get vaccinated.”

In an interview with MSNBC, de Blasio dialed up his frustration over the unvaccinated. “We’ve got to shake people at this point and say, ‘Come on now.’ We tried voluntary. We could not have been more kind and compassionate. Free testing, everywhere you turn, incentives, friendly, warm embrace. The voluntary phase is over,” de Blasio said last week. “It’s time for mandates, because it’s the only way to protect our people.” New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, similar to de Blasio, is pushing for people to get vaccinated. He’s requesting private businesses, such as bars and restaurants, to show proof of vaccination against Covid-19, as a condition for admission to their establishments. The governor also called for a vaccine mandate for employees of the state’s MTA and Port Authority, similar to his previous order for state hospital employees.

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Once you do them, they’re impossible to undo.

Vaccine Cards Are Just The Beginning (Whitehead)

It used to be that “we the people” had the right to come and go as we please without the fear of being stopped, questioned by police or forced to identify ourselves. In other words, unless police had a reasonable suspicion that a person was guilty of wrongdoing, they had no legal authority to stop the person and require identification. Unfortunately, in this age of COVID-19, that unrestricted right to move about freely is being pitted against the government’s power to lock down communities at a moment’s notice. And in this tug-of-war between individual freedoms and government power, “we the people” have been on the losing end of the deal.

Now vaccine passports, vaccine admission requirements, and travel restrictions may seem like small, necessary steps in winning the war against the COVID-19 virus, but that’s just so much propaganda. They’re only necessary to the police state in its efforts to further brainwash the populace into believing that the government legitimately has the power to enforce such blatant acts of authoritarianism. This is how you imprison a populace and lock down a nation. It makes no difference if such police state tactics are carried out in the name of national security or protecting America’s borders or making America healthy again: the philosophy remains the same, and it is a mindset that is not friendly to freedom.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t live in a constitutional republic if you allow the government to act like a police state. You can’t claim to value freedom if you allow the government to operate like a dictatorship. You can’t expect to have your rights respected if you allow the government to treat whomever it pleases with disrespect and an utter disregard for the rule of law. If you’re tempted to justify these draconian measures for whatever reason—for the sake of health concerns, the economy, or national security—beware: there’s always a boomerang effect. Whatever dangerous practices you allow the government to carry out now, rest assured, these same practices can and will be used against you when the government decides to set its sights on you.

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Click link, sign petition.

We Stand in Solidarity with Dr. Peter McCullough MD (Change)

We the undersigned stand in deep support and gratitude of Dr. Peter McCullough MD. We recognize his unwavering commitment to upholding his fiduciary responsibility to his patients, the highest standards of science and to the Hippocratic Oath. Most notably Dr. McCullough has and continues to be a forerunner and promoter of early ambulatory treatment of covid symptoms. Due to Dr. McCullough’s contribution, protocols such as those described in Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection, countless lives have been saved. Going further, Dr. McCullough, with other respected researchers and physicians developed an early treatment plan for senior care facilities as well as raised valid concerns over both the safety and efficacy of the covid vaccines, especially considering the increasing number of breakthrough cases being experienced the world over, as well as the number of adverse events reported.

Instead of commending Dr. McCullough and backing these lifesaving discoveries, Baylor Scott and White has initiated a law suit, claiming that Dr. McCullough is falsely associating with their organization, and is demanding 1,000,000 in monetary aid as well as non monetary aid. We the undersigned strongly and emphatically urge that the individuals working on behalf of Baylor Scott and White dismiss this case. Your time and energies are much better spent in supporting Dr. McCullough in saving lives. Let it be known that the scientific, medical and lay communities are watching this development very closely and resolutely stand with Dr. McCullough.

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Murky indeed, even the article itself.

Julian Assange: Peering Through The Murk (Rozenberg)

Assange remains in prison. The district judge refused him bail after the US government said it would seek to appeal to the High Court against her decision. And on 5 July Mr Justice Swift granted the US permission on three of the five grounds set out in its application for permission to appeal. What were those? This is where the story becomes murky. The judge’s two-page order, which has not been published but is readily available from the court, explains briefly why he refused the US permission to appeal on grounds 3 and 4. It says nothing about Swift’s reasons for granting permission on grounds 1, 2 and 5. That’s not a problem as far as the parties are concerned: they know what the grounds of appeal were. And when the appeal is heard – this autumn or next year – we shall find out too.

But if, as Swift has held, the US has raised ‘arguable issues that should be considered at a final hearing’, lawyers with clients currently facing extradition to the US need to know – now – precisely what these are. Foreign governments seeking extradition are represented by the Crown Prosecution Service. I asked the CPS for a copy of the application they had filed for permission to appeal. They refused to let me see it. Instead, they suggested I asked the High Court. The court told me I needed to make a written application to the judge and pay a fee of £255. I was not willing to do so – it raises concerns about access to justice data that were the subject of an important report by the Legal Education Foundation last month – and I have not been able to get hold of a copy in any other way.

After further requests, the CPS agreed to send me an informal briefing note that had been supplied to other journalists shortly after Swift’s ruling. This note, which includes a minor inaccuracy, is the source of all media reports and legal commentaries on the judge’s ruling. The first arguable ground, according to this note, was that Baraitser had made errors of law in applying the test under section 91 of the Extradition Act 2003. This says that if the physical or mental condition of a suspect ‘is such that it would be unjust or oppressive to extradite him’, the judge must either order his or her discharge or adjourn the hearing until he or she is better. We don’t know what Baraitser’s alleged errors were. The second arguable ground is that, having decided that the threshold for discharge was met, Baraitser should have notified the requesting state of her provisional view and given the US a chance to offer assurances.

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Following the Soviet model of falling apart.

America Has Become Its Own Worst Enemy (Unherd)

Back in the 1970s, Russian women marvelled at how their American equivalents could afford to leave work while they had children. As the New York Times reported, they “express astonishment when they learn that an American father can support a family of two, three or four children without his wife’s working. Many are also surprised that American women would willingly have more than one child.” For them, it was a huge struggle to raise just one. The Soviet Union’s main adversary in the Cold War was also defined by ideology, to some extent. Many western nations had embraced liberalism, but no other was created with the words of John Locke enshrined in its foundation. Yet liberalism, too, faced its challenges in the late 20th century, not from the obviously failing Soviet Communism, but from rival ideas within the democratic tradition.

Starting in the 1960s, a new way of thinking began to predominate in the US that was not really liberal, although its opponents confusingly still referred to it as such. This new way of thinking was more hostile to freedom of speech, and its adherents began the process of chasing deviant thinkers out of academia that began in the late 1960s and would massively reduce political diversity by the 21st century; it supported not just personal sexual freedom, as did liberalism, but radical ideas about sex, including hostility to the family; it was anti-religion and would become more so when religion clashed with sexual rights. As for freedom of association, the “master freedom” in Christopher Caldwell’s words, this was also incompatible with a worldview that prioritised equality over liberty.

This new way of thinking — progressivism is probably the fairest term — is far less tolerant than liberalism. Indeed, in its hostility to freedom of speech, its Manichean worldview, its suspicion that its opponents are fascists, and the belief that politics should be inserted into everything — from science to children’s books — it is closer to the totalitarian tradition. American progressivism is not communism, obviously, anymore than its opponents are Nazis; the market is perfectly capable of achieving most progressive goals, and America has become more culturally Left-wing as Right-wing economic policies have dominated, globalisation being the common theme that links the two. But globalisation came with a price, with millions of jobs lost after the 2001 trade deal with China, made two months after George W. Bush had followed the Soviet example by invading Afghanistan.

It was in those former industrial heartlands where people first began to notice an epidemic of drug-related deaths that now constitutes one of the greatest social disasters in history. Four decades on from its superpower rival, the United States had now become a country in which people were dying younger, driven by overdoses and suicides. That this epidemic took so long to register may have been the solitary and often legal nature of the drug problem; unlike Aids, it did not affect too many celebrities, Prince being the exception. But it could also be who the victims were — predominantly rural white Americans, neither powerful themselves nor championed by powerful supporters.

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All your base do belong to us.

Meet Your New Feudal Overlords (Weems)

Classic feudalism was a system where a wealthy land-owning nobility (the 1%) controlled the peasant class of workers known as serfs (everyone else). The elites provided serfs with a small piece of land on which to live. Although they paid taxes, generally, serfs owned no property, had no economic power or upward mobility. During the Middle Ages, as much as 90% of Europe’s population fell into this category. Sound familiar? I admit it’s not a perfect comparison, but it’s something worth considering — especially given what’s happening not just with housing but with land ownership in general. In our system, owning real estate is the most common vehicle for wealth accumulation. So what happens when only the wealthiest Americans can afford to own property?

Before you answer, you should know that billionaires are buying up land like it’s going out of style. Do you know who owns the most farmland in the United States? Bill Gates and his soon-to-be ex-wife Melinda, that’s who. With 242,000 acres of cropland plus nearly 30,000 additional acres of land in their real estate portfolio, they’re playing real-life monopoly. According to The Land Report, 100 families own 42 million acres across the country. The Gates family barely breaks the top 50. Former TCI chief John Malone is at the top of the list with 2.2 million acres. While billionaires snatch up the country’s ranches and farmland, Wall Street is buying up all the houses they can get their hands on.

I wrote last August about my personal experience with renting a house in North Carolina. In 2013, we searched for a home in a town just outside of Raleigh. We noticed corporations owned almost all the houses. Every rental sign had a QR code in one neighborhood, so you never actually saw a real estate agent. The company, American Homes 4 Rent (AMR), was the landlord for most of the single-family rental properties in the area, including the one we ultimately rented. Interestingly, the same billionaire, an investor named B. Wayne Hughes controls both the company where we stored our furniture and American Homes 4 Rent. At the time, tapping Wall Street investors made sense. In the wake of the housing crisis of the early aughts, a wave of foreclosures devastated the real estate markets.

By 2010, the housing market was in free fall. Across the country, the glut of empty homes numbered in the hundreds of thousands. Faced with the risk of stalling an already sluggish economic recovery, the government looked to Wall Street. In 2012, the Obama administration launched a program making it easier for private investors like AMR and Blackrock to acquire foreclosed homes by the hundreds. The plan worked. According to The Atlantic, institutional investors jumped into the housing market, buying foreclosed properties then renting them out. The billions in transferred middle-class wealth made inequality worse. At the time, there were few good options.

In the same piece last August, I wrote about how hedge funds and private equity firms like Blackrock and AMH scooped up single-family foreclosures left and right: From 2011 to 2017, the largest global investors bought over 200,000 homes in the U.S., spending over $30 billion. In Atlanta, Real Estate Investment Trusts (REITs) and hedge funds bought almost 90% of homes sold from January 2011 to June 2012. By February of last year, institutional investors owned one-fifth of all single-family rentals in the Atlanta area. Until late 2019, Blackrock, the world’s largest asset manager, owned 40% of Invitation Homes (INVH), capitalizing on the glut of foreclosures following the housing crisis. American Homes 4 Rent (AMH), a REIT founded by billionaire B. Wayne Hughes, currently owns 52,052 homes across the country. AMH owns nearly 10% percent of all single-family homes in Atlanta.

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Very interesting man.

2020: A Propaganda Masterpiece (Perspectives on the Pandemic)

“Propaganda is the executive arm of the invisible government,” wrote Edward Bernays, the father of modern propaganda. In part one of Episode 17, Mark Crispin Miller, professor of Media Studies at New York University, discusses the propaganda onslaught that defined the year 2020, when what was dismissed one week is confirmed the next, and why questioning official narratives “necessarily means taking ‘conspiracy theory’ seriously.”

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    Mister Roboto

    {/reads page 3 of the comments today} Man, the not-entirely-rational astrology-observer in me is going to be so freaking glad when this Saturn-Uranus Square loosens up about mid-month!

    On a more serious note, this longish article in The Atlantic by David Brooks about how the urban “creative class” is undermining itself is an informative read. Towards the end of it, he breaks down Team Blue and Team Red each into three substrata ranging from the most powerful and influential to the least. What the top two strata of “Team Blue” need to understand pronto is that they are losing all the remaining loyalty of just enough members of lowest stratum, the “caring class”, that they might find themselves very out in the cold in terms of political representation come the very near future.


    @ Deflationista

    Thank you for your very long post.
    I understand where you are coming from. I was raised Mormon, but when my very messed up marriage led me to realize the religion was bogus, I had to leave it and then tell my family…who saw me turning from the religion as a tragedy. I have spent 15 years learning how to communicate with people I love, but who have a collection of closely held beliefs that differ radically from my own.

    Whenever you enter the room of a group of people who have been “in community” and conversing about specific topics for a long time, you are going to find some clear consensuses and points of view that are, well, let’s say “unique” to that particular group.

    The tendency for the person who shows up late (or, perhaps simply after being away for a while,) is to see these consensuses and make a quick judgment about these points of view and the people and how these views were arrived at. However, if the goal is to communicate, this mental shortcut is an impediment to authentic communication.

    In your essay yesterday you throw out accusations which reveal your lack of understanding of those who have been using this forum extensively to analyze and understand the Covid nightmare that engulfs us all. You suggest that our minds have become subordinated to right-wing memes, that we are lapping up every bit of “anti-Vaxxer” propaganda, that we are not utilizing critical thinking skills…(implying that your position, by contrast, *is* using critical thinking skills. A rather large conceit.)

    I recognize that there is a big “mainstream” narrative that suggests that those who don’t want the vaccine are far-right wackos, inveterate “anti-vaxxers” who deny all vaccines…but in my personal, lived experience, that is not the case.

    So far, EVERY PERSON but ONE that I know in person (not thru TAE), either recently, or extended family, that has chosen not to take the vaccine has made that decision because they ALREADY SURVIVED A COVID INFECTION and have durable immunity. (P.S. they are all white.) I do not state that my natural immunity is durable just ‘cause someone here on TAE said so, but rather because I have read the medical studies published on the subject (and lay explanations of said studies.) Most of the studies I found thanks to TAE posters — which saved me a lot of time searching for them on my own — and Doc Robinson here at TAE has clarified my understanding of some of the fine points of immunity — all was information I could have found elsewhere, but TAE ends up being a short cut.

    “Walking freely in society living on the immunity provided by others, kinda like the welfare leeches they like to complain about.” This assertion falls completely flat when faced with the many, many unvaccinated to Covid, post-Covid survivors, who have sterilizing immunity, who are contributing to “herd immunity” while the Covid-vaccinated are passing Covid around.

    I’m pretty familiar with “anti-vax” views. My sister has held those views for a decade or more. We’ve had several in depth discussions…from those discussions I discovered that my sister had a broader and deeper understanding of human immunity than I did. My kids have received all of their typical childhood vaccinations, but I have realized that the current vaccine schedule seems more rapid than necessary, that it is wise to research a vaccine to understand the risks/benefits before getting jabbed, and that Big Pharma is reaping huge profits from vaccinations in general.

    I also noticed that a lot of anti-vax hype is fear-mongering that tends to be large on theories and slim on facts. I have found this in many other subjects as well — including the “official” Covid narrative. Whenever I run across this type of hype an alert goes off in my mind, and I start looking for the most solid, fact based sources that I can find.

    “That’s because Bill is attempting to depopulate the planet, so he and Fauci developed the virus, and the vaccine to cure it, so that they could not only kill some people right off, but then track the survivors through microchips floating in the covid vaccines. Never mind that both … carry a fucking cell phone everywhere they go and have been tracked by the NSA for like 20 years now.”

    Hrm…well, there is some pretty good evidence that Bill + buddies would *like* to reduce the population. Is the Covid pandemic and/or the mass vaccination campaign a means to this end? IDK. I have not seen any “smoking gun” evidence. Just circumstantial evidence.

    Is the Covid pandemic and/or the mass vaccination campaign designed to remove liberties, and make it easier for the population to be controlled? Well, “the proof is in the pudding” and since removing liberties and creating passes that govern human locomotion IS what is happening, it is pretty fair to say that these actions are either by Covid design or were planned and just waiting for the right disaster to enable them.

    It seems that most of your essay is a rant. I’ve dropped a few rants here myself in the past year. Others rant as well. Rants are generally a means to vent emotion. I’m guessing that you are venting here at TAE as a proxy because there isn’t a safe way to vent directly at “Kristen and Karen.”

    Myself, I lost my liberal religious community to Covid. They don’t want to meet in person until the vaccine makes everyone safe from Covid. (I have no idea how they are digesting the news that the vaccine doesn’t prevent/diminish passing Covid from person to person.). I’ve been publicly shamed as an anti-vaxxer for not being the only performer masked, the only Covid survivor in a sea of vaccinated folks. I tire of friends parroting the CDC line that I should get at least one vaccine dose…which would confer no social benefit. (Yes, I’m aware a single dose would boost my antibodies…but there is no evidence that I need such a boost.)

    It’s a mad, mad world.
    TAE is an island of respite for me. You are welcome to rest here as well…but don’t expect me to convert to your views…I don’t expect you to convert to mine.

    madamski cafone

    “Actually cosco, I was responding to Bill7. But I’m glad I’m gaining some traction with you. Study on but please, spare us the detailed analyses.”

    I can’t help it, Archie: I’m fascinated by what people gossip about me openly in a public forum, Archie. Enlightened self-interest or masochism? Please feel free to provide us with a detailed analysis. Or just continue gossiping about me in public right in front of me. I don’t mind. It’s less than pleasant but you fellows seem to enjoy it so much, I just kinda feel compelled to… watch. I’ll try to keep the heavy breathing down.

    No, I’m not on meds except ample cannabis at times, like now, when for three days I have mostly looked like this:


    I can’t wait to see what kind remarks are made about that image. Whatevs. That’s me, although that image is from ’17-’18. The view from where I sit and watch is amazing, just amazing. I learn a lot.

    People realy love to pick on people, I’ve noticed. I noticed it in grammar school. Stand out in a way that isn’t charismatic in a way they want to be associated with, they’ll peck at you. Always amazed to see how persistent the behavior is:

    The fog of social war


    Smearing the messinger is the best hope for those on the wrong side of a disagreement. The worming paste you refer to has won a Nobel prize and saved many from river blindness and parasitic infections of different kinds. If you look at records of areas in the world who are using Ivermectin, you will see how effective it is. Your posts are sleazy and manipulative.
    Madamski is well able to take care of herself. I speak for myself. But I think you are a troll. Whoever recruited you seems to be sending others with the same m.o. Try making some money washing dishes or doing something else useful.

    Mister Roboto

    Whoever recruited you seems to be sending others with the same m.o.

    Are you referring to other websites on the Internet? I’m asking out of curiosity because my own Internet travels aren’t as broad as some other people’s. It probably was a little daffy of me to imply that dee might have been sent here by the CDC, but I was being most facetious. My guess is that what’s happening is that the official Covid narrative is experiencing quite a bit of push-back lately on account of how increasingly authoritarian it is becoming, and so of course at some point, the push-back will run into counter-push-back, however unctuous and disingenuous it may be. That’s what I meant when I said it was inevitable that the likes of dee would show up at some point. It’s just “the nature of the beast” that is our modern Interwebz. (Not to mention human life in general!)

    madamski cafone

    HAven’t finished pheonix voice’s post and already am awed. So well done.


    Remember when this site might get ten comments on a big day- before all the sponsored content arrived?




    You are a mighty voice. A reasoned voice. And a stern voice.

    I really appreciate your views. Thank you.

    Figmund Sreud

    Next pandemic on its way? Dunno, … though Dr. Richard Fleming recently commented on following that it just might be.

    SARS-CoV-2 spike protein interactions with amyloidogenic proteins: Potential clues to neurodegeneration




    I can see sitting around and getting wasted with you, laughing our asses off. But not here. Capito?

    madamski cafone

    Archie, I would much prefer it if you would please mind your own business, sir. You had a chance to ask nice, but no, you had to big-dog me. I would prefer you resume talking to other people about me or addressing the forum at large about me, if you absolutely must talk about me. But not to me, please. I’ve failed to learn anything from you in your attempts to engage with me or with others about me. But it seems to entertain you and others, so please carry on an it please ye, but expect to be ignored if you address me personally and directly.

    Which is not to say I won’t address remarks you make, just not you.

    And no, I could not possibly imagine getting sloshed with you. That sounds horrible to me. Word.

    those darned kids

    meanwhile, back on mars..


    Hint to establishment types: When your side acts like this, it means you’re losing. Expect more pushback.

    absolute galore

    “We are in two different worlds: mine; a worldview steeped in data and science and the shots called by a flawed CDC. His seems to be one that weaponizes the jargon of science, a world where “doing the research” is akin to diving down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories.” Turns out not only are the unvaxxed screwing up the world, they are preventing this poor soul from getting screwed. Caution, adult content ahead, Huffpost style

    And the more vanilla First Person Hero Porn, also from the Huff Huff. Caution, contains no facts, data, or context. Only heroics. But all for naught–thanks to you and me, The War On Covid was lost.

    Mister Roboto

    @absolute galore: The truth is, I actually want to be shunned by people like that. I’m pretty much a largely self-reliant loner as it is, so I don’t need anybody’s love over the choices I make or where I come down socially and politically.


    Just wanted to circle back to Raul’s “Vaccines Don’t Work” post earlier this week.

    The CDC is not only clamoring for more vaccines, once full FDA approval is granted then the messaging might switch to Fauci’s grander vision. The timing of the article was this past spring. Apologies if redundant to some.

    madamski cafone

    “Turns out not only are the unvaxxed screwing up the world, they are preventing this poor soul from getting screwed.”


    Uh, I’ll pass, thank you very much.

    Covid life (just add masks and stir):



    More than I usually post, but Dr. Fauci is definitely looking like the Evil Mr. Rogers.


    And good old Wesley Snipes playing the role of the Coronavirus spawned in a lab by Fraudci.

    absolute galore

    Mr. Roboto wrote: @absolute galore: The truth is, I actually want to be shunned by people like that.

    Absolutely me too. Such a bizarre essay and such an unattractive person. Both essay writers live with complete blinders, totally unable to see beyond what they are fed. Can they not tell just by observing the messengers what shaky ground they are on? Look at the New Yorkers who were fawning over Cuomo. I guess he’s on his way to being an official dirtbag, but anybody with half a working BS detector already knew what he was. (How people can actually watch his doofus brother I have no I idea.) Do we see Fauci, Walenski, Biden, the CEOs of pharma companies, the tech titans, as having anything resembling true character?

    madamski cafone


    madamski cafone

    “Do we see Fauci, Walenski, Biden, the CEOs of pharma companies, the tech titans, as having anything resembling true character?”

    If anything, we see them as some kind of alien mtant.

    “And, for an instant, she stared directly into those soft blue eyes and knew, with an instinctive mammalian certainty, that the exceedingly rich were no longer even remotely human.”

    ― William Gibson, Count Zero

    Same guy wrote, 30-some years later, has the elderly female police chief of The Peripheral’s 100 years-from-now kleptocratic post-Jackpot London, say something, concerning the uber-baddies they’ve apprehended, to the effect that, “They’re only human, like us. If we forget that we lose everything.”


    How many here just ran with it?

    During a Covid-19 press conference, NSW health offical Jeremy McAnulty ‘misspoke’ and inferred that all Covid patients in intensive care had been vaccinated when in fact none of them had been fully vaccinated. The video of the mistake has been widely shared on social media. A single post on one Australian page which regularly shares vaccination misinformation had more than 1,800 ‘interactions’, including almost 300 ‘shares’. In less regulated online spaces, the video has been shared globally among conspiracist groups. In US-based Telegram groups clips of the video have been seen tens of thousands of times across various groups. Some called it evidence the vaccine is ‘deadly gene therapy’ and ‘pure poison’. The Guardian also saw posts sharing the video in Telegram pages in Europe and the UK


    Doc Robinson – good find on the flu-COVID vaccine study. I really wonder if it is a matter of the number of times a person has been vaccinated (ie one time may not be that bad).
    I am wading thru Mikovits’ work and she makes a compelling case for the following:
    1. Many vaccines against viruses (flu, mmr, COVID) involve growing virus in animal (mouse tissue).
    2. This piece sounds astounding to me but here goes: the mouse tissue itself contains mouse viruses that also ends up in the vaccine. These viruses, when jumping from the mouse to a human, can mix with viruses in the vaccinated humans and create all kinds of health issues. When she tried to publish her work suggesting this, she ran into big trouble.
    3. What is utterly striking is the similarity among various “strange” ailments (long COVID, long Lyme, chronic fatigue). Mikovits suggests that they all have roots in exposure to contaminants in vaccines.
    Being in a high Lyme region I just read a book by a local ecology professor about her experience of long haul Lyme. What jumped out of the page for me was that she mentioned having been vaccinated for the flu for the past 20 years. Also what is baffling is that folks I know (mostly small organic farmers) generally do not vaccinate, get many tick bites,(I topped out at 10 in one day) and yet we are not getting Lyme. Why is this when estimates are that 30 percent or more of ticks carry Lyme and the related nasty illnesses?
    I will share more of Mikovits as I digest it but I do think she adds a dimension to the COVID story.
    I have not seen a good summary yet of this idea and Mikovits is hard to understand when I listened to an interview.

    those darned kids

    During a Covid-19 press conference,
    • er, fifteen minutes of fright, you mean.

    • oh, no, dystopiaville!

    health offical
    • [sick – hehehe, good one.]

    Jeremy McAnulty ‘misspoke’ and inferred that all Covid patients in intensive care had been vaccinated when in fact none of them had been fully vaccinated.
    • er, what about the other hospitals in the other places?

    The video of the mistake has been widely shared on social media.
    • good. these people stick their faces in our dinners everyday to tell us how awful it all is to be a happy human. tat for tit, i say.

    A single post on one Australian page which regularly shares vaccination misinformation
    • yep, we should only listen to miss information on fully fact-chequered media sources. she knows everything.

    had more than 1,800 ‘interactions’, including almost 300 ‘shares’.

    In less regulated online spaces,
    • not for long.

    the video has been shared globally among conspiracist groups.
    • enough with the clichés. it’s frickin’ annoying. let’s use some creativity, por favor.

    In US-based Telegram groups clips of the video have been seen tens of thousands of times across various groups.
    • good.

    Some called it evidence the vaccine is ‘deadly gene therapy’ and ‘pure poison’.
    • that’s dumb. some pollywog screwing up the night’s fifteen minutes of fright is nothing. sending my father to the hospital for 2 weeks is “pure poison”.

    The Guardian
    • hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

    also saw posts sharing the video in Telegram pages in Europe and the UK
    • good.

    madamski cafone

    “How many here just ran with it?”

    I wanna be Clenis for a moment: define “it”. This one report? Out of ??? I honestly don’t remember.

    I do hope we’re providing good research material. I say that because I find it hard to think you take your arguments seriously as in convincing anyone here otherwise, so I’m inclined to think you’e some kind of meme-developer. Nifty title, huh? What do I know? Some people thought I was a woman for awhile. By their fruits ye shall know them, and all that.

    All grist for the systempunkt, says I.

    D Benton Smith

    I took someone’s advice and did the ol’ “due diligence” thing on Gideon Meyerowitz-Katz.

    I won’t rehash his backtrail details because, frankly, there are too many assholes in this world to waste time on every piece of shit that comes along. He’s a spook, a shill, a one-trick-pony hatchet man and a complete fraud . He is in no way an epidemiologist. He works in the School of Social Sciences, Media & Communication there at Wollonong U , and all 25 of his “published papers” are hit pieces on real scientists and/or cheerleading for Big Pharma . What a complete DICK ! The nicest thing you could say about Mr. Katz is that at least he’s moderately competent in the spy game . . . just not for our team.

    those darned kids

    “rehash his backtrail details”



    He works in the School of Social Sciences, Media & Communication there at Wollonong U


    I can’t find him under academic staff at UOW. One source says he is an epidemiologist working in chronic disease and is currently finishing his PhD at the University of Wollongong. I tried to find a better CV but came up empty handed. I am guessing he has never treated a single patient. I would rather trust guys like Kory and Yaron who have helped hundreds of patients than people who just read studies and criticize methodology. As Theodore Roosevelt said “It is not the critic who counts…The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by blood, and sweat and dust.”

    madamski cafone

    DBSmith & tdk:


    Ok. THAT was ad hominem of me. Flat out. But… ew….

    Doc Robinson

    Speaking of the potential interactions between flu vaccines and Covid-19 viruses…

    Despite the sales pitches and press releases of the drug companies, and the assurances of the FDA and CDC, there is much that is still unknown about the workings of the immune system with regards to Covid-19, influenza, and their vaccines.

    Just last week, a study was published which found some cross-reactive immune responses between influenza vaccines and Covid-19, but the responses were non-neutralizing. The researchers admit that the related mechanisms are “poorly understood.” For all they know, the dreaded ADE may still result from the vaccines.

    “Whether these non-neutralizing cross-reactive antibody responses have effector functions with a protective effect or lead to antibody-dependent disease enhancement of SARS-CoV-2 infection remains to be evaluated in further studies.”


    The spike protein of the SARS-CoV-2 virus is the foremost target for the designing of vaccines and therapeutic antibodies and also acts as a crucial antigen in the assessment of COVID-19 immune responses. The enveloped viruses; such as SARS-CoV-2, Human Immunodeficiency Virus-1 (HIV-1) and influenza, often hijack host-cell glycosylation pathways and influence pathobiology and immune selection. These glycan motifs can lead to either immune evasion or viral neutralization by the production of cross-reactive antibodies that can lead to antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) of infection. Potential cross-protection from influenza vaccine has also been reported in COVID-19 infected individuals in several epidemiological studies recently; however, the scientific basis for these observations remains elusive. Herein, we show that the anti-SARS-CoV2 antibody cross-reacts with the Hemagglutinin (HA) protein. This phenomenon is common to both the sera from convalescent SARS-CoV-2 donors and spike immunized mice, although these antibodies were unable to cross-neutralize, suggesting the presence of a non-neutralizing antibody response. Epitope mapping suggests that the cross-reactive antibodies are targeted towards glycan epitopes of the SARS-CoV-2 spike and HA. Overall, our findings address the cross-reactive responses, although non-neutralizing, elicited against RNA viruses and warrant further studies to investigate whether such non-neutralizing antibody responses can contribute to effector functions such as antibody-dependent cellular cytotoxicity (ADCC) or ADE.

    Non-neutralizing SARS CoV-2 directed polyclonal antibodies demonstrate cross-reactivity with the HA glycans of influenza virus
    International Immunopharmacology, 29 July 2021

    madamski cafone
    Doc Robinson

    In this study published last year, the “results suggest a potential protective effect of the influenza vaccine on COVID-19 mortality in the elderly population.”

    Influenza Vaccination and COVID19 Mortality in the USA

    madamski cafone

    Doc R: strictly anecdotal: guy who works in the local min-mart has a friend in the local gubmint health office’s pandemic etc. office, told him that the kind of flu shot he’d gotten should proitect him from covid. circa spring 2020.

    Doc Robinson

    I remember that anecdote from last year. As I recall it was a recombinant quadrivalent flu vaccine(?).

    Another study looked at people who got a covid test, and looked for a correlation between negative tests and flu vaccination status. I’m not so sure about this method, but they found “in patient who received the influenza vaccine, there was a significant reduction in the odds of testing positive for COVID-19 compared to those who did not receive the vaccine (odds ratio 0.82, 95% CI 0.73-0.92; P  < .001)”

    Impact of the influenza vaccine on COVID-19 infection rates and severity

    V. Arnold

    Formerly T-Bear
    Mad Amsky (+ tale) seems on the manic portion of their cycle. Probably can’t find the meds, deflationista hid them.

    LOL, nice one T-Bear…

    Mister Roboto

    I tend to think that whatever benefits come from standard flu-shots is not so much from the main component of the shot itself so much as it is the immune-system boosters they add to it. Ever since I started getting flu-shots, I stopped getting my annual winter head- or chest-cold. You can argue about whether or not that’s a good thing, but still, I can easily live without that joyous event coming around shortly before or after Xmas every year!


    Tsk, tsk….TAE.
    I rather remember bi-polar lunatic’s image with sock-mask from the last year.
    So fitting.
    “Enlightened TAE community”, with a few exceptions, apparently can’t have enough of him.
    Encouraged WES is probably half way into his dream novel writing.


    • Biden Admin To Make Vaccination Mandatory For All Active Duty Soldiers (PM)

    I don’t know why ….

    Maybe, its because, If a soldier or support contractor does not want the vaccine then they can’t work, and must resign
    Maybe, its because spittle is stronger than a bullet
    Maybe, its because they want to reduce the military budget
    Maybe, its because they want to bring the troops home to protect the homeland.
    Maybe, its because they think that the vaccine will protect the soldiers from getting covid
    Maybe, its because they think that the vaccine will prevent the soldiers from getting sick.
    Maybe, its because they want to give money to the med industrial complex

    I don’t know why ….

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