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Félix Vallotton The balloon 1899

 

Worse Disease Progression After Covid Vaccination? (Ziegler)
Antibody-Dependent Enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 Vaccines and Therapies (Nature)
Dangers of COVID-19 Vaccine Associated Enhanced Disease (Goldstein)
“The Most Dangerous Vaccine” – Until Now, Of Course (Denninger)
Attorney Renz: MORE Than 45,000 Americans Have Died From Covid-19 Vaccines (DE)
20,595 Dead, 1.9 Million Injured in EU Database of Adverse Reactions (GR)
Project Fear: MSM Is Doing The Government’s Covid Propaganda Work (RT)
Pfizer To Require US Workers Receive Covid-19 Vaccine Or Regular Tests (R.)
“Vaccine Hesitancy” Is A Class Issue (Tracey)
French Constitutional Court Backs Macron’s Covid Pass (B’s)
Rand Paul: Mask Mandates And Lockdowns From Petty Tyrants? No, not again (RPI)
“Authorities Are Viewing Their Own People as an Enemy” (SN)

 

 

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Google translation from Germany.

Worse Disease Progression After Covid Vaccination? (Ziegler)

How does ADE work? The latest publication from Pfizer, which presents the follow-up to the approval study, also proves that the vaccines are at least not effective against the severe courses of COVID . It shows no effectiveness of the vaccination against death and no relevant absolute effectiveness against severe courses (we will report on this separately). But why ADE? Because an increased viral load in the nasal epithelium in vaccinated people looks like ADE after six months. How come? Infection-enhancing antibodies ( ADEs ) bind antibodies that are formed against the vaccine after being vaccinated to bind to the virus when it is infected later. But instead of neutralizing it, the antibodies increase the uptake (endocytosis) of the virus by the types of cells that the virus can infect.

There are different molecular mechanisms for this; the antibodies act like a catalyst that accelerates the biochemical reaction, here the endocytosis of the virus-receptor complex in the cell. The phenomenon is known from vaccines against RSV (respiratory syncitial virus) and the dengue virus. It was also in the development of vaccines against the closely related with SARS-CoV-2 Coronaviridae MERS and SARS-CoV-1 observed and contributed to the unsuccessful clinical development of vaccines against these viruses. ADE is very dangerous because the syndrome can cause vaccinees who would have survived an infection naturally without vaccination to become very seriously ill or even die, even though they would have hardly developed any symptoms without vaccination.

Malone rightly points out that ADE can occur 6 to 9 months after vaccination, especially in the case of an unfortunate composition of the antibodies in the phase of titer decline. What is happening there? The antibodies promote the uptake of the virus into the cells. This accelerates virus production and the viral load in the body increases exponentially faster than without ADE, since accelerated endocytosis is a factor in the exponent of the viral replication function. Although the immune system can still form new antibodies against the whole virus even under ADE, the virus now has a massive advantage over the immune system of an unvaccinated person, which does not develop ADE.

[..] Malone’s warnings about ADE seem realistic, given the signs he’s observing. How dangerous would ADE be in relation to the autoimmune diseases that we are already seeing in vaccinees? Based on the current data, I assume that 1 per thousand to 1 or 2 percent of those vaccinated will develop or die from autoimmune diseases caused by the vaccination in the course of 12 to 24 months after the vaccination (including the previous death rate). With ADE, significantly more vaccinees could become seriously ill, the rate could also be in the double-digit percentage range as with RSV – nobody can predict that. What should be done in view of the data situation? One should stop the vaccination campaign and first observe what happens to the vaccinated with the help of prospective cohort studies. All vaccinated persons under the age of 70 who do not die from an apparent cause of death must be examined by pathologists or coroners by autopsy. Autopsies should also be performed in suspected cases of elderly vaccinated persons. Because the Hippocratic oath applies to all people treated by a doctor.

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Published: 09 September 2020

Antibody-Dependent Enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 Vaccines and Therapies (Nature)

ADE has been documented to occur through two distinct mechanisms in viral infections: by enhanced antibody-mediated virus uptake into Fc gamma receptor IIa (FcɣRIIa)-expressing phagocytic cells leading to increased viral infection and replication, or by excessive antibody Fc-mediated effector functions or immune complex formation causing enhanced inflammation and immunopathology (Fig. 1, Box 1). Both ADE pathways can occur when non-neutralizing antibodies or antibodies at sub-neutralizing levels bind to viral antigens without blocking or clearing infection. ADE can be measured in several ways, including in vitro assays (which are most common for the first mechanism involving Fc≥RIIa-mediated enhancement of infection in phagocytes), immunopathology or lung pathology.

ADE via FcɣRIIa-mediated endocytosis into phagocytic cells can be observed in vitro and has been extensively studied for macrophage-tropic viruses, including dengue virus in humans16 and FIPV in cats. In this mechanism, non-neutralizing antibodies bind to the viral surface and traffic virions directly to macrophages, which then internalize the virions and become productively infected. Since many antibodies against different dengue serotypes are cross-reactive but non-neutralizing, secondary infections with heterologous strains can result in increased viral replication and more severe disease, leading to major safety risks as reported in a recent dengue vaccine trial. In other vaccine studies, cats immunized against the FIPV S protein or passively infused with anti-FIPV antibodies had lower survival rates when challenged with FIPV compared to control groups. Non-neutralizing antibodies, or antibodies at sub-neutralizing levels, enhanced entry into alveolar and peritoneal macrophages18, which were thought to disseminate infection and worsen disease outcome.


In the second described ADE mechanism that is best exemplified by respiratory pathogens, Fc-mediated antibody effector functions can enhance respiratory disease by initiating a powerful immune cascade that results in observable lung pathology. Fc-mediated activation of local and circulating innate immune cells such as monocytes, macrophages, neutrophils, dendritic cells and natural killer cells can lead to dysregulated immune activation despite their potential effectiveness at clearing virus-infected cells and debris. For non-macrophage tropic respiratory viruses such as RSV and measles, non-neutralizing antibodies have been shown to induce ADE and ERD by forming immune complexes that deposit into airway tissues and activate cytokine and complement pathways, resulting in inflammation, airway obstruction and, in severe cases, leading to acute respiratory distress syndrome.


a, For macrophage-tropic viruses such as dengue virus and FIPV, non-neutralizing or sub-neutralizing antibodies cause increased viral infection of monocytes or macrophages via Fc≥RIIa-mediated endocytosis, resulting in more severe disease. b, For non-macrophage-tropic respiratory viruses such as RSV and measles, non-neutralizing antibodies can form immune complexes with viral antigens inside airway tissues, resulting in the secretion of pro-inflammatory cytokines, immune cell recruitment and activation of the complement cascade within lung tissue. The ensuing inflammation can lead to airway obstruction and can cause acute respiratory distress syndrome in severe cases. COVID-19 immunopathology studies are still ongoing and the latest available data suggest that human macrophage infection by SARS-CoV-2 is unproductive. Existing evidence suggests that immune complex formation, complement deposition and local immune activation present the most likely ADE mechanisms in COVID-19 immunopathology. Figure created using BioRender.com.

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July 6 2021

Dangers of COVID-19 Vaccine Associated Enhanced Disease (Goldstein)

Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) is an immune system phenomenon, when neutralizing antibodies bind to a virus, but instead of or in addition to neutralizing it, help it to enter cells. The term is also used when these antibodies, not finding targets on the virus, damage the healthy cells (Hellerstein 2020). ADE might happen when the quantity (titer) or quality (matching epitopes presented by the virus) is low. ADE caused by vaccines is called VAED. In the respiratory diseases, it is sometimes called VAERD (vaccine associated enhancement of respiratory disease)…. The current COVID-19 vaccines, used in the US and most Western countries, are mRNA and viral vector vaccines, targeting only the spike protein of SARS-COV-2. For the purposes of this paper, “COVID-19 vaccines” only refer to these mRNA & viral vector vaccines, unless otherwise specified.

For SARS-COV-2, the selection of the spike (S-protein) as the only antigen was an especially bad choice, because anti-spike coronavirus vaccines are known to be especially prone to cause ADE. T-cells, rather than antibodies, provide long term immunity and do not cause ADE, but only about a quarter of T-cells associated with SARS-COV-2 target its spike, compared with half to two thirds in previous coronaviruses. Many (although not all) attempts at vaccines against other coronaviruses have failed because they caused ADE in animal models. This was the case with the experimental vaccines against SARS and MERS. The same thing happened during the attempt to develop a vaccine against FIPV, a coronavirus disease in cats. On a remarkable side note, Remdesivir was tried for FIPV in cats and failed. It was then tried on humans for COVID-19 and also failed, but still received a EUA…


[..] Children 12-15 are expected to be impacted especially hard by the COVID-19 vaccines, due to higher reactivity of their immune systems. A Pfizer study has shown 1.76 higher antibody titers in this age group compared with 16–25 year-olds (FDA re-Amendment 2021). Some research suggests that the COVID-19 vaccines could possibly interfere with the development of immunity to common cold coronaviruses. This risk is totally unjustified. Very few persons <18 develop severe COVID-19, and 84% of them have obesity or other known chronic conditions. Suspected ADE from COVID-19 vaccines, especially spike protein-based ones, was explicitly linked to the Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children (MIS-C). A recent study suggests interference of the COVID-19 vaccines with the immune reaction to common cold coronaviruses. Some 12-year-olds, who have not developed natural immunity to all four common cold coronaviruses, might be unable to develop it because of the original antigenic sin with the anti-spike vaccine.

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“..the data out of NYC shows that even if you’re old — 80+ — if you do not have those conditions Covid-19 is no significant threat. But the jabs are…”

“The Most Dangerous Vaccine” – Until Now, Of Course (Denninger)

“The Most Dangerous Vaccine” Well, it was the most-dangerous vaccine. It was for Smallpox. That vaccine is very effective (unlike the Covid jabs which, on the data, are an abject failure as the virus is evolving around them and their protection wanes in months) and Smallpox kills about 30% of the people who get it with very little variation based on age (that is, 300,000 per million persons) while Covid-19 kills anywhere from 20-90,000 per million depending on your age.” Now think about this: “We know if we immunize a million people, that there will be 15 people that will suffer severe, permanent adverse outcomes and one person who may die from the vaccine,” says Dr. Paul Offit, one of the country’s top infectious disease specialists, and he knows all about vaccines that prevent those diseases. In his lab at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, he studies and creates new vaccines. There’s nothing new about the smallpox vaccine.”

This risk is much lower than the Covid shots which have associated more than 10,000 deaths so far out of ~170 million Americans immunized, or approximately fifty times the smallpox vaccine mortality rate. Was the smallpox vaccine worth it? Absolutely. Should it be mandated? No, but it should be made widely available. Yes, it might screw you. But if you get the disease, and it could happen in a biological attack, there is a one in three risk of death. Covid, among young and healthy people, has managed to kill under a hundred across the entire population; perhaps 50% of whom have already had it with many not knowing they had it. In most people Covid-19 produces only a mild or moderate flu-like illness. Yeah, it makes you feel like crap for a couple of days.

And just like smallpox, if you get it and survive you get broad immunity that, on the science, continues to improve for a few months afterward and which remains effective even if the virus mutates, which it will and does. If you’re old and especially if you’re fat and diabetic then Covid can be much more serious. But even then it’s a tiny fraction of the impact of smallpox. I remind you that being fat and Type II diabetic is a choice, and one that you had the last 18 months to do something about. Literally anyone could have dropped 50+ lbs over the last year and a half and the data out of NYC shows that even if you’re old — 80+ — if you do not have those conditions Covid-19 is no significant threat. But the jabs are.

Not only do they not work very well, as seen with all these “breakthrough” infections (which is a lie, by the way: Those are vaccine failures) but in addition the data is that over six months time or so the protection wanes and there is some data that OAS may be showing up. OAS, or original antigenic sin, occurs when your immune system has been “primed” to respond to something (e.g. Covid-19) via either infection or a vaccine but when challenged with the actual infection it produces an incorrect and thus ineffective response. That is what we’re seeing in Israel, Iceland and elsewhere.

But what’s much worse is that we do not know if the risk from the jabs is individual and “one and done”; that is, if you take the jab and get no nasty side effects you won’t if you need boosters every six months, whether the risk is disconnected from the number of jabs, or much worse, the risk is multiplicative or even exponential with additional inoculations. We don’t know because we didn’t look. For some people who are at the upper end of that risk range — the old and medically frail — the jabs might be worth it even with all these unknowns. But for younger, healthy people? No.

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He has a whistleblower inside the CMS?

Attorney Renz: MORE Than 45,000 Americans Have Died From Covid-19 Vaccines (DE)

Attorney Thomas Renz revealed on Truth For Health’s Stop The Shot live conference that the original figure of 45,000 people who have allegedly died from the Covid-19 vaccines within three days of vaccination is too low. Renz said that VAERS data from whistleblowers is currently being analysed and appears to show that the original statistic he revealed last month at an event hosted by Awakened America is only a fraction of the real number of deaths. The attorney said that the true number of deaths is likely “immensely higher” and is being hidden by the government. According to attorney Renz, the public is not being given access to all of the death and injury data from the 11 to 12 vaccine injury reporting systems.

Renz said: “Any public policy being made without independent study of this data will lead to poor and or dangerous policies being made for we the people.” Attorney Renz said that once the data has been analysed, he will release the information over the next few weeks. Previously, Renz stated at the Awaken America event last month that a whistleblower – referred to as Jane Doe – informed him that there are around 11 VAERS systems reporting adverse reactions and deaths across the US, and one system alone has allegedly has reported the shocking 45,000 deaths from the Covid jabs. Renz and his law firm, along with America’s Frontline Doctors, are currently suing the federal government for covering up the true number of deaths from the Covid-19 vaccines and for approving the jabs for use on children.


[..] Various hospital whistleblowers have come forward and revealed to Thomas Renz and his team that hospitals are seeing fully vaccinated breakthrough cases at an “astounding rate.” Renz said that numerous whistleblowers have stated that they are seeing fully vaccinated individuals in ICUs at a rate anywhere from 40% to 100%. “People who are fully vaccinated are accounting for 40% or more of admissions for Covid and Covid related illness. 40% or more, that is pretty amazing considering the government’s telling us you won’t ever be admitted and you’ll be safe if you get this vaccine.” Renz said that one hospital whistleblower revealed that there have been several periods where, in her hospital, 100% of the ICU patients were comprised of breakthrough cases. The attorney said that these Covid breakthrough cases are “exactly what we are seeing in the UK and Israel” and is proof that the Covid jab “is not safe or effective.”

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With 1-10% reported.

20,595 Dead, 1.9 Million Injured in EU Database of Adverse Reactions (GR)

The European Union database of suspected drug reaction reports is EudraVigilance, and they are now reporting 20,595 fatalities, and 1,960,607 injuries, following COVID-19 injections. A Health Impact News subscriber from Europe reminded us that this database maintained at EudraVigilance is only for countries in Europe who are part of the European Union (EU), which comprises 27 countries. The total number of countries in Europe is much higher, almost twice as many, numbering around 50. (There are some differences of opinion as to which countries are technically part of Europe.) So as high as these numbers are, they do NOT reflect all of Europe. The actual number in Europe who are reported dead or injured due to COVID-19 shots would be much higher than what we are reporting here.

The EudraVigilance database reports that through July 31, 2021 there are 20,595 deaths and 1,960,607 injuries reported following injections of four experimental COVID-19 shots:
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA (CX-024414)
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH
COVID-19 VACCINE ASTRAZENECA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19)
COVID-19 VACCINE JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S)
From the total of injuries recorded, half of them (968,870) are serious injuries.


“Seriousness provides information on the suspected undesirable effect; it can be classified as ‘serious’ if it corresponds to a medical occurrence that results in death, is life-threatening, requires inpatient hospitalisation, results in another medically important condition, or prolongation of existing hospitalisation, results in persistent or significant disability or incapacity, or is a congenital anomaly/birth defect.” A Health Impact News subscriber in Europe ran the reports for each of the four COVID-19 shots we are including here. This subscriber has volunteered to do this, and it is a lot of work to tabulate each reaction with injuries and fatalities, since there is no place on the EudraVigilance system we have found that tabulates all the results. Since we have started publishing this, others from Europe have also calculated the numbers and confirmed the totals.*

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“The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging. To be effective this must also empower people by making clear the actions they can take to reduce the threat.”

Project Fear: MSM Is Doing The Government’s Covid Propaganda Work (RT)

The news stories of young, perfectly healthy – unvaccinated – people dying are relentless, while those recording the deaths of people who have died after being vaccinated are ignored. It has taken some doing, and not everyone was on board initially, thanks largely to some unexpected reactions with the AstraZeneca jab, but public health officials across the globe, with the help of the mainstream media, have now stoked up Project Fear in an effort scare people into complying with vaccine demands. Of course, there are already overreaching businesses using the threat of ‘No jab, no job’, but this is something different.

As far back as March last year, the UK Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (SAGE) considered a paper looking at ways to make people stick to social distancing rules that suggested: “The perceived level of personal threat needs to be increased among those who are complacent, using hard-hitting emotional messaging. To be effective this must also empower people by making clear the actions they can take to reduce the threat.” It’s clear which way the vote went on that when it came to “All those in favour?” because hard-hitting emotional messaging has been the weapon of choice throughout the pandemic. From social distancing, to hugging your granny, to refusing the vaccine, public health officials have wielded the fear factor in each instance and it’s worked… until now.


Because the end is in sight and so a vast majority of those who remain unvaccinated are thinking, ‘Well, I’ve made it this far’ and are sticking to their guns. And frankly, it’s hard to disagree. Unless the government legislates that vaccination is mandatory (which would be a draconian step too far even for it), then it’s difficult to imagine how to stoke up the fear to such an extent that everyone finally falls into line. Or should that even be the plan? After all, in the UK at least, democracy and personal freedom are the names of the game, and if you don’t feel like following the official Covid advice, then you don’t have to. Of course, there might be serious consequences to flying solo, but that’s up to each individual. Their body, their choice.

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When your own employees don’t want it.

Pfizer To Require US Workers Receive Covid-19 Vaccine Or Regular Tests (R.)

Pfizer Inc, the U.S. drugmaker that developed a COVID-19 vaccine with German partner BioNTech , said on Wednesday it will require all its U.S. employees and contractors to become vaccinated against COVID-19 or participate in weekly COVID-19 testing. Pfizer spokesperson Pamela Eisele said the company was taking the initiative in order to “to protect the health and safety of our colleagues and the communities we serve.” Employees with medical conditions or religious objections can seek accommodations. Outside of the United States, Pfizer will strongly encourage employees who are able be vaccinated in their countries to do so, Eisele said.


At the end of 2020, Pfizer had around 29,400 U.S-based employees. With U.S. coronavirus cases rising sharply again due to the highly transmissible Delta variant, companies like Alphabet Inc (GOOGL.O) and Walt Disney Inc (DIS.N) have started putting vaccine mandates in place for their employees. read more As of Tuesday, 70.1% of U.S. adults had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, according to data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

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An email sent to Mike Tracey.

“Vaccine Hesitancy” Is A Class Issue (Tracey)

I am what is called a [REDACTED] for [FORTUNE 500 COMPANY] working in the supply chain domain; this includes manufacturing, logistics, and distribution. If you share any of this information, please do not share my job title, name, or company. My job is to work with high-level company executives to understand their overall corporate strategy ($300k+ annual types), then with low-level distribution center and factory workers ($12-$15 an hour types) to understand their day-to-day jobs — and then deliver complex, multi-dimensional technology solutions that execute on those strategic goals while making life easier for floor workers. I really cut across income levels every day.

[..] I have noticed, with absolute clarity, a stark divide in vaccination behavior. I hop around between my home in [REDACTED] to our facilities in the South, Midwest, and on the West Coast. I can tell you that at each site, the picture is the exact same. [FORTUNE 500 COMPANY] has a program where you can shed the standard COVID protocols if you provide the company with your proof of vaccination. Without fail, corporate management and executives are vaccinated at near 100% rates. Likewise without fail, hourly laborers (who are almost all white in the Midwest, almost all black in the South, and all mixed up on the West Coast) are vaccinated between 5% and 15% — and vaccinations are concentrated almost entirely in the old folks.

I have heard over and over that this is a political phenomenon. “Vaccine hesitancy is a problem of white Republicans, of course!” But in reality, I don’t believe it has anything to do with race or political alignment — and everything to do with social class. I read somewhere recently a tweet from someone who seemed insightful, who said that the centers of power in this country have so heavily relied on propaganda and psyops that the hierarchies that run those centers of power have themselves begun to select for people that are most likely to buy into the propaganda. As a result, you don’t have an evil ruling class — just a delusional one that is entirely bought into its own narrative. The people who do not move up the ladder — though they may be competent and capable — are restricted by the fact that they do not buy the narrative.

If this is true, I think it makes absolute sense. The people who are most likely to be “company men” — the people whose entire lives are defined by their status in a Fortune 500 organization, who are the most married to the corporate narrative, and who are the most likely to be absent critical thought (as all executives are — once you get to VP, you stop thinking your own thoughts and instead think only your shareholders’ or board’s thoughts) are the ones who are, almost universally, vaccinated. The people who do not live in that world are, almost universally, not. I have not seen one person break it down this way. I bet if you spent a week or two digging into the research on this, you’d see just how true it was in all of the numbers available to you.

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And breaks the back of the Republic.

French Constitutional Court Backs Macron’s Covid Pass (B’s)

France’s top constitutional authority on Thursday approved a Covid pass that limits access to cafes, restaurants and inter-city trains and planes to people who have been vaccinated or tested negative for the virus. The controversial pass, which will become ubiquitous from Monday, drew several hundred protesters outside the Council of State in Paris. “All this undermines fundamental freedoms… Freedom is, first of all, the choice to be vaccinated or not,” said Marie Jose Libeiro, 48. “We are falling into an authoritarian state.” But the Constitutional Court said the restrictions put forward by President Emmanuel Macron and approved by parliament last month represented a “balanced trade-off” between public health concerns and personal freedom.

Prime Minister Jean Castex welcomed the court ruling, saying it “will allow the full deployment of our battle strategy against Covid-19”. The biggest change concerns restaurants which will now have to turn away patrons who fail to produce the health pass. “There will be a cost, in terms of time spent checking the pass, and in terms of sales because we will lose customers,” Herve Becam, vice president of the UMIH hotels and restaurants association, told AFP. Cyril Wafik, manager of the Indiana Cafe in central Paris, said the pass presented yet another challenge for many restaurant owners who were already having trouble getting customers to wear masks. “We’re not police, that’s not our job,” he told AFP. “This will affect our relationship with our customers.”


Visitors to some shopping centres and department stores will also need the pass, as will visitors to hospitals or care homes and people seeking non-urgent medical care. But the absence of a health pass must not be an obstacle to patients receiving treatment, the court ruled. Health workers and others whose job requires them to be in contact with people at risk of Covid must now get vaccinated by law. But the court rejected as “disproportionate” the government’s wish to force people with Covid infections into isolation for 10 days. The court’s judges also struck down another provision included in the health law that brought in the Covid pass, which would allow employers to dismiss people on fixed-term or temporary contracts if they don’t have a pass.

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“Children are falling behind in school, and are being harmed physically and psychologically by the tactics you have used to keep them from the classroom last year. We won’t allow it again.”

Rand Paul: Mask Mandates And Lockdowns From Petty Tyrants? No, not again (RPI)

Resist. They can’t arrest us all. They can’t keep all your kids home from school. They can’t keep every government building closed – although I’ve got a long list of ones they should. We don’t have to accept the mandates, lockdowns, and harmful policies of the petty tyrants and feckless bureaucrats. We can simply say no, not again. Speaker Nancy Pelosi — you will not arrest or stop me or anyone on my staff from doing our jobs. We have all either had COVID, had the vaccine, or been offered the vaccine. We will make our own health choices. We will not show you a passport, we will not wear a mask, we will not be forced into random screening and testing so you can continue your drunk with power rein over the Capitol. President Biden — we will not accept your agencies’ mandates or your reported moves toward a lockdown. No one should follow the CDC’s anti-science mask mandates.

And if you want to shutdown federal agencies again — some of which aren’t even back to work fully — I will stop every bill coming through the Senate with an amendment to cut their funding if they don’t come to work. No more. Local bureaucrats and union bosses — we will not allow you to do more harm to our children again this year. Children are not at any more risk from COVID than they are for the seasonal flu. Every adult who works in schools has either had the vaccine or had their chance to. There is no reason for mask mandates, part time schools, or any lockdown measures. Children are falling behind in school, and are being harmed physically and psychologically by the tactics you have used to keep them from the classroom last year. We won’t allow it again.

If a school system attempts to keep the children from full-time, in-person school, I will hold up every bill with two amendments. One to defund them, and another to allow parents the choice of where the money goes for their child’s education. Do I sound fed up to you? That’s because I am. I’m not a career politician. I’ve practiced medicine for 33 years. I graduated from Duke Medical School, worked in emergency rooms, studied immunology and virology, and ultimately chose to become a surgeon. I have been telling everyone for a year now that Dr. Anthony Fauci and other public health officials were NOT following science, and I’ve been proven right time and time again. But I’m not the only one who is fed up. I can’t go anywhere these days — from work, to events, to airports and Ubers, restaurants and stores, without people coming up to me thanking me for standing up for them.

For standing up for actual science. For standing up for freedom. For standing against mandates, lockdowns, and bureaucratic power grabs. I think the tide has turned, and more and more people are willing to stand up. I see stories from across the country of parents standing up to teacher unions and school boards. I see members of Congress refusing to comply with Petty Tyrant Pelosi. We are at a moment of truth and a crossroads. Will we allow these people to use fear and propaganda to do further harm to our society, economy, and children? Or will we stand together and say, absolutely not. Not this time. I choose freedom.

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And enjoying it.

“Authorities Are Viewing Their Own People as an Enemy” (SN)

UN Special Rapporteur on Torture Nils Melzer responded to police brutality dished out to anti-lockdown protesters in Germany last weekend by warning, “Authorities are increasingly viewing their own people as an enemy.”
As we highlighted earlier in the week, Melzer, a professor of international law, made a request for eyewitnesses after footage emerged of numerous examples of people being manhandled and beaten by police in Berlin merely for expressing their right to assemble. One clip showed a female anti-lockdown protester in Berlin being grabbed by the throat and brutally thrown to the ground by riot police, while another showed a young boy being struck in the face as he tried to come to the aid of his mother.

The response to Melzer’s request was overwhelming, with over a hundred reports of violence flooding in, leaving him with the task of “calling for clarification as well as punishment and reparation for rule violations,” reports Berliner Zeitung. The professor says there is clearly enough evidence “for an official intervention on my part with the federal government.” However, it was Melzer’s comments on the wider perspective of the crackdown that stirred the most interest. After seeing similar scenes during anti-lockdown protests in European cities across the continent, as well as “police operations in demonstrations worldwide,” Melzer came to a sobering conclusion. “Something fundamental is going wrong. In all regions of the world, the authorities are apparently increasingly viewing their own people as an enemy,” he stated.


Melzer went on to assert that it is totally unethical for police to engage in violence against the citizenry unless it is in clear self-defense. “It is absolutely unacceptable when the police take action against defenseless demonstrators because of mere administrative offenses or civil disobedience with sometimes life-threatening violence,” he said. The professor also noted the utter stupidity of police inflicting violence on demonstrators while claiming to do so in the name of “health protection.” “If the police do not clearly communicate that they see themselves as friends and helpers, but rather treat their own population as an enemy, then a dangerous spiral has been set in motion: namely that the next thing is that the population will also regard the police as an enemy,” concluded Melzer.

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This is not just any girl. This is the daughter of Billy Evans, killed in the 4-2 attack at the Capitol.
He is the only Capitol Police officer killed in over 20 years.

 

 

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    Dude. I’m out. I don’t think my postings were off topic and they were not meant to clog the works. Not sure how opposing messaging can get through without at least trying to do so, but the reactions to those attempts seem to add too much noise. I stopped posting a decade ago on all social media because of the dynamics I described in my long rant. I made the mistake of responding to every reaction to what I said.

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    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “@Raul: I would completely understand if you decided to start moderating with a fairly heavy hand the way JMG does at his blog. The quality of discourse over there remains pretty high as a result of his pro-active efforts. Internet forums that are a free-for-all have a way succumbing to the myriad foibles of human nature. But I’ll start the ball rolling and try to avoid posting for the rest of the day unless I find a video or an article I think the regulars would appreciate and post that with nothing more than a short description of what I’m linking to.”

    Since some of us feel that this site is something like a college course wherein you have to read all the material in order to pass a test, I think that restrictions on # of posts per days makes perfect sense. But any kind of moderation beyond blocking blatant spam will be a step down the same road as the one we decry as we watch the nations and peoples of the world become far too acceptingly familiar of terms like “lockdown” and “masking”.

    After all, the accepted term is ‘moderater’ not ‘censor’. But what is moderate for one person may be slim pickins for another. I think that rather than appeal to concepts like “reasonable number” or (my fave) “modicum of decency”, all subjectively relative terms that no two people will define fully alike, we should treat this de facto traffic issue as such, and place metrically, numerically defined load limits that satisfy Raul and, hopefully, the rest of us.

    Self-censorship vis a vis concepts like “being reasonable” or “a modicum of decency” are how today’s journalism became a shit-show on skates; and our roles here are a kind of journalism.

    #82640
    Germ
    Participant

    #82641
    userzeroid
    Participant

    I concur Raul. You do a terrific job of providing discussion points and food for though daily. You have been doing so for years. I remember seeing fewer comments from outsiders in the old days, these were mostly discussing trying to find an alternative to the decaying industrial petro dollar empire and setting the example (much like your annual soup kitchen fundraiser)

    Back then I would skim the subjects you brought up with interest. I would then move on to ZeroHedge, RT, BBC, Channel 4, al jazera, euronews, democracy now, keiser report, the reformed broker, ibankcoin, market ticker, mish, nassim taleb amongst many others to form a fuller picture of a complex worldview. I have always liked the contribution of this site toward critical thinking and still do.

    Obviously, regarding the news we crossed the line during the orange man’s reign (well documented on this site, much to many’s chagrin) and we totally crossed the line when we disregarded other’s bodily autonomy and shut down the planet. We are in unchartered waters now.

    It is hard enough for me to keep up with the mania in the background. Thinking about Raul having to moderate all these comments and then the mania amplifying in the comment section gives me a headache. Let’s all be a bit more considerate to our host and the subjects that are in question.

    On the subject of feeling hopeless and angry with feeling hopeless, I have already commented the need for something real and worthwhile (music, art, self expression, crafts, catering, design, philosophy, sports, gardening, dance, writing etc) but equally important – humour! Try and have a fun time while taking tyrants down a peg or two. It’s the best form of simultaneous attack/defense we have.

    In the UK we used to sing that song about the nazi’s “Goring has only got one ball, Hitler’s are so very small, Himmler’s so very similar, And Goebbel’s got no balls at all…” Mock the buggers more often. It should help the anguish and provide some entertainment value too. Good contributions on this front from those damned kids, dr d, mr house, john day, TAE Summary and madamski cafone on a regular basis here.

    Back to todays debt rattle; The Alison Goodwin video is eyeopening. I would be ashamed of my profession too if such a change occurred. It is totally unjustifiable to disregard informed consent and bodily autonomy. Anyone who cannot see this clearly is a tool for the tyrants or advocates fascism by proxy. Surely we can all agree on this much.

    Now maybe we can get back to singing some songs about fauci, macron, draghi, gates, soros and co.

    Have a good day 🙂

    #82642
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Youtube has apparently been watching us. This showed up in my feed:

    The Neuroscience of Creativity, Perception, and Confirmation Bias

    6:44 minutes.

    #82643
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “Good contributions on this front from those damned kids, dr d, mr house, john day, TAE Summary and madamski cafone on a regular basis here.”

    One should never encourage me.;)

    Whistle while you work,
    Hitler is a jerk
    Mussolini
    Cut his weinie
    Now it doesn’t work/squirt.

    #82644
    Mister Roboto
    Participant
    #82645
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    (probably) Like many others on this forum I am a “conspiracy theorist”, but not by predilection or preference. I would much rather be a full time ordinary citizen and only “an-occasional-and-part-time” “conspiracy NEWS REPORT consumer.”

    If the official (and well paid !) conspiracy police investigators, conspiracy prosecutors, conspiracy judges, conspiracist jailers and mainstream journalists would do their respective jobs then perhaps that would be possible.

    But, alas, such is not the case.

    And so, back I go to wading through tons of unpleasantness and arcane sciency stuff that is literally wearing out my my brain, my dictionary and my patience. (not doing much good to my pocketbook either.)

    But to be perfectly frank, I sure wouldn’t mind a peaceful ETTWAWHCTKIR (which acronyms the wishful thought of an “End To The World As We Have Come To Know It Recently” ) .

    #82646
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    A note about modern media:

    They’re a form of interactive hypnosis, bright colored game-pages requiring low-level thought, just enough to distract and stimulate our basic impulses, but far from self-aware thought. Mostly staring at one area, so that one’s fovea moves very little or not at all, submitting one’s mental motion to an accommodating ‘squirrel cage’, sitting still in a chair as one’s breathing becomes slow and shallow…. hypnosis.

    Primary cause: raw emitted light (first TV, then PC screens). We hook onto raw emitted light like nothing else. Before electronics, raw emitted light meant fire, hearth, home, safety as well as danger. Books, magazines, etc: reflected not emitted light. Magazines require more text, more storyline to suck us in, and that requires moving our fovea to read text, and that makes for a different, less engrossed hypnosis. (God bless readers who move their lips as they read. It keeps them from going into a total trance.) Books/mags require page-flipping, which also mutes the trance effect.

    Staring at a screen of animation moving for you while you sit still and click a mouse and maybe type a few one-letter commands now and then… you can be zoned for hours, especially if you’re blue and dejected.

    And the ads such games proffer should enjoy high yield, because their subliminal aspects go DEEP into the peripheral vision of game-players. Without knowing it, they become convinced that Coke REALLY refreshes, and that taking pills really WILL increase a fella’s manly stature.

    #82647
    absolute galore
    Participant

    The firings are picking up steam:

    CNN fires unvaccinated employees for going to office

    Remember the good old days, when you would be fired for NOT going to the office?…

    I am certainly willing to be wrong about the vaccine death rate or the 1 out of 3 dying from ADE–in fact I leave it open as a horribly possibility. My point is always to be as factual as we can in these weird times.

    Not sure if I mentioned this before, but a colleague on the West Coast has a daughter who suffered severe neurological damage within days of receiving a vaccine. She is confined to a wheelchair at the moment. In her thirties, perfectly healthy, a runner, no comorbidities. But my colleague tells me her doctor doesn’t think it was the vaccine. Uh huh.

    #82648
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @madamski

    Just watch the linked video on “The Neuroscience of Creativity, Perception, and Confirmation Bias” , Totally friggin awesome! Good and useful stuff . . . and very pertinent to the matters we address here. Thankee kindly.

    #82649
    absolute galore
    Participant

    As somewhat of an aside, I think what makes so many comments extra really frustrating is the separation into pages. I’ve inquired previously if this is something that can be changed with the theme setting or a widget or whatever. Obviously it would not do anything about the content of posts;^) But if one could keep the finger on the down arrow until something promising comes up, I believe that would alleviate a lot of the angst. If nothing else, it would A. save time and B. make it slightly easier to go back to a day’s thread and find something again.

    #82650
    democritus
    Participant

    I’ve been reading the Automatic Earth for a very long time. I tried to work out how long. Before the crash of 2008 I think. When Stoneleigh was posting on here. And I think I remember the website being called something else, and having something to do with peak oil. So it is quite strange for me to be accused of being mainstream etc, but I am just saying what I think, just like everyone else is. And if it happens to be mainstream, so be it.

    #82651
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “Just watch the linked video on “The Neuroscience of Creativity, Perception, and Confirmation Bias” , Totally friggin awesome! Good and useful stuff . . . and very pertinent to the matters we address here. Thankee kindly.”

    Youtube knows what we want. 😉

    #82652
    oxymoron
    Participant

    Raul your request is noted and taken on board. Thank you again for all your work. D Benton – I think we are very much alike. OMG the reading list this last 18 months it’s like a college degree.
    Goodnight my friends.

    #82653
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    A preferred format could be discussed, albeit briefly since committee discussions on preferences take on a long-winded life of their own.

    Mine would be:

    link videos/articles with at least salient money quotes.

    If a link won’t post as a clickable link, post it “raw”; we can cut’n’paste the link to make it happen.

    Any response made to/at a person or article, either quote the relevant text or address it by their name.

    fwiw, I like the number 5 as a posts limit, but must acknowledge that the number 3 is universally believed to be the charm. By that metric, I am done for the day and maybe over limit.

    #82654
    Dr. D
    Participant

    182 and rising. (well this post won’t help much then)

    Fight the facts, not the man. I’m in favor of Deflationista and Democritus.

    The list of paranoia yesterday clearly describes both groups near-equally. But after 50 years of governments and corporations trying to kill us, why would we be suspicious? It’s just ridiculous I don’t trust them when a) they’ve been lying to me every day of my entire life which is well proven, and b) all of US were completely, totally right about what would happen, and all their expert predictions were totally, embarrassingly, fatally wrong. Okay, we’ve done 19 months. So why not sideline all the guys who were dead wrong (where’s my 25 million? Where are my 15 days? What’s with the vaccine passport and boosters that were all an unhinged theory?) and then like intelligent people, we promote those whose predictions and responses were accurate and helpful. I don’t care whose. Like Sweden’s, for example, or Florida, who’s no worse off than anywhere else, and is still better than NY, NJ, and CT.

    That’s not so hard. Evidence is in: they were wrong about everything. Hundreds of thousands of other doctors were right. So get the doctors that were right and replace Fauci and the CDC with them. I mean, duh, this is a meritocracy. If you fail, you go down. If you succeed, you go up.

    I don’t see that. At all. So why? And the people seem resistant to it? Defending those failures’ other, perhaps arguable, legitimate reports? Why? That Robert Nardelli is a swell guy doesn’t have anything to do with how he destroyed Home Depot and took another $210M for failing. We would remove such, not defend them.

    So yes, they have evidence from the state. …THE SAME EVIDENCE FROM THE SAME TESTS THAT WERE ALREADY DEAD WRONG. 99% were unvaxxed. Okay. You did notice the PCR tests has been completely discredited and is now being removed, but because it doesn’t work – at all – but not until December? If heart surgery killed you, we would stop it immediately not 5 months from now, but whatever. We went over that the numbers are collected in a crooked way, with dual thresholds for reporting, specifically to reduce the vaccinated case numbers. These numbers are given to us by state governments, like NY’s, that were completely wrong, had to backtrack, have proven bent or even fabricated. So I would believe them? UK has 40% of presenting be vaxxed, but that’s not true here? Could be but Science asks why and suspects it as that seems suspicious.

    If a scientist had even ONE suspicion, even ONE plagiarism, fabrication they (used to be) removed, suspected, career over. Now we see flocks of them blackening the sky and nothing? Pfizer pays them, openly, Fauci and Daszak are legally likely to be hung for murder, openly, and no motive, no suspicion, nothing? They’re good fellows, up to nothing?

    So that’s why it’s hard to get traction here, although obviously others should short list as I’ve done instead of saying “go away”. Both sides feel this way because two narratives with two authorities are presenting conflicting realities.

    Brings me to today’s Fact of the Day: Aside from being false false false that Trump’s people are at all resistant, — He invented the Vax he says, and DeSantis says “go get it” – some 38% of all stripes have got it, very similar regardless of race, who’s the ACTUAL top, most resistant demographic?

    PhD’s. And that goes with the OTHER thing, MIT (I think) found: the vax resistant were MORE educated and informed than the general population, not less.

    So what are we seeing? People who read stuff are resisting, people who follow authority are obeying, with two competing scientific narratives. That’s pretty typical of science, which is often a popularity contest for nerds, and all new things are learned this way, with great and totally illogical, pointless resistance. There is no Continental Drift, Troy is a fairy tale, there was no urban population in South America, etc. All garbage, all OBVIOUSLY untrue from a single look, all resisted to the DEATH for years, decades, whole careers. Like about cholesterol and statin drugs. 50 years and STILL killing people. Doesn’t mean it’s right or wrong, just: Typical. And this is too. SSDD.

    “NOW – Biden on #COVID19 vaccines: “It’s still a question if the federal government can mandate the whole country, I don’t know that yet.”

    As if they care? They literally known and said stopping moratorium was illegal as h—l, and just did it, and said, “Blow me.” So let’s all pretend anything being “Legal” or “Illegal” matters at all anymore. If you hadn’t noticed from 2008, 2001, 1994, 1971, or 1913. BTW, the 50 year anniversary of complete unmooring from reality, Nixon’s Gold Window, is on August 15th, 2012. It’s possible people have planned a party.

    From what I can see, it is indeed a mirror-world now shattered only into smaller mirrors. But I think they’re losing and not getting anywhere. Decrying “Appeal to Authority” (that’s been wrong for 20 consecutive years) is finally breaking down. SMH. 240 consecutive months in a row of Lucy pulling the football people? Really? How did you not know this from Viet-freeking-Nam? Pentagon Papers? Church Commission? “Remember the Maine”? Whatever.

    “95% of the severe patients are vaccinated”.

    Direct opposite of Deflationista. Somebody is really wrong. Problem is: who?

    “7/10 have gotten a vaccine…” I don’t know if I believe that. Wednesday’s chart said 38%, but that could be old, incomplete…If 7/10 got it, why would they need to push? They won. It’s all done. You’re never going to get criminals or hermits or whoever is left. And why would you care? You’re all safe, call a victory and go home. …So I have to doubt it very strongly from their own behavior. Like election polls, they say it’s true to make you think you’re alone and lost. But because that didn’t get anybody out to the clinics, they’ve now screwed themselves right in the Narrative. Joe, if you’ve already succeeded in your medical goals, who are you fighting?

    A: They NEED a fight. It’s all they understand. So they NEED to antagonize everyone and divide them so that they CAN fight. They masked up again because they plan and most urgently, desperately NEED protests, riots, that they can make violent with the FBI, paid people (now proven) and 1/6 fabricate on y’all. So the POINT was not that 70/30 is true, but to INVENT that specific appearance so the unvaxxed are a minority they can beat, punish, destroy, call out martial law, executive power, all that good and yummy stuff.

    So ignore the crap out of them. They already lost, you just have to not get killed in the last jeep to Berlin. The funniest thing ever is if Biden says, “Lo! No law, NO Supreme Court, I do what I want! Mandatory vaccination, mandatory prison, death squads at down! Look upon me and despair!” …and everybody yawns like he doesn’t exist. And is totally useless and irrelevant. Because they ARE.

    YOU are the government. YOU are the military. They are a tiny committee that is paid by and obeys YOU. Or else.
    Or else we what? They’re so useless and unimportant they’re not worth a bullet. Or else we ignore their banks, their markets and their currency and they collapse in 6 hours. Which they are. Right. Now.

    So THAT’S why they’re desperate to be such antagonistic bastards right now. Don’t give them the pleasure. If they don’t want you to work: don’t. Let’s see how well their supply shortages are fixed when the few remaining people don’t come to work because they’re attacked and clearly not wanted.

    Bye bye nice man.

    “Authorities Are Viewing Their Own People as an Enemy” (SN)” Yeah, like this.

    I am glad to see, in mirror-shard land, ADE if finally popping up all over. …Because that’s EXACTLY what happened to every other mRNA trial consistently for 10 years. Vaccine “works”, but as soon as presented with any wild version, overreacts and ‘kills’ the host, worse than nothing at all. Which appears to fit the data from Cape Cod very well. And is why this will be overwhelmingly clear the instant fall flus appear, that the Vaxxed are the major diers.

    But if I’m wrong, so what? I’ll die of it and y’all can dance on my grave. I ain’t skeered. Anyone who believes otherwise has had most of a year if they wanted. It’ll be their fault. That’s being an adult. I won’t stop them: why do they feel the right to stop me? Let me die if I want to, drink coke, eat cheeseburgers, and race dirt bikes. 50 years of pushing RoundUp and NOW you care?

    The lawsuits are going to be EPIC and hilarious and already are. It’ll be like Bugs Bunny with 500 shotguns going off in their direction all at once. Dodge this. Apparently Canada can’t even prove there IS a virus. That’s up the list for most embarrassing failure in Anglo-Canadian History.

    “Vaccine Hesitancy” Is A Class Issue (Tracey)”

    Speaking of PhD’s, half the CDC refused, and Pfizer’s exec just got busted unable to go to Israel because he wasn’t vaxxed. …But it’s just us poor dumb, whatever-faces. Who’ve been screwed and lied to religiously, in an outhouse torrent, since “that giant sucking sound.”

    So sit back and watch the show. They look like a bunch of muppets, running around with their hair on fire, not knowing whether to s—t or go blind, telling every lie and its opposite, shouting accusations and orders like 6-year olds, while the rest of us watch in amazement like a 4-alarm dumpster fire.

    Are you not entertained? Every day these guys cry and gag and burn, it cheers me up marvelously. Couldn’t be better.
    Because it can’t be cleaned up until the old thing is admitted and removed. We’re going local. They’re not local. The end. 10 days left. Moon calendar for the market fall is a-waitin’.

    #82655
    Germ
    Participant
    #82656
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    Re: RT Project Fear article..

    I can tell when authors have been so indoctrinated by the mainstream narratives that they are failing to see outside of the mainstream narrative box. In this case, it is because the author sees “the unvaccinated” as figuring they have made it thus far, going to continue…not realizing that for a sizable subset of the unvaccinated they cannot be induced into fear of Covid BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY IMMUNE, Covid survivors. See, the super-fearful Covid survivors already took the jab. I know of one Covid survivor living in the NYC area who got jabbed despite his immunity, despite knowing the vaccines were problematic because he succumbed to the social pressures and the vaccine passport inconvenience. There are the Covid survivors who go off of instinct and ignore everything else — they figure I survived, I’m immune and look no deeper. And there are Covid survivors like me who feel the need to research the vaccine risks and the particulars of natural immunity. (Either way — the scare tactics don’t work. It’s like trying to get me to be afraid of the dark when I have a flashlight at hand and plenty of batteries.)

    At least this author is helping create the social space for the vaccine decliners to exist in society.
    But sometimes I just wish I could shake people out of the mass psychosis trance, help the to understand that Covid is no significant threat, treatment/prophylaxis makes it even less of one, and the path to freedom is infection and survival — this is the path that Nature/God has given us. Covid vaccination is a form of slavery.

    #82657
    Germ
    Participant

    That’s because over 93% of Britons now have COVID antibodies – acquired from either vaccines or natural infection yet they still want to get all the kids jabbed. Nuts.

    https://tinyurl.com/4x83ynnm

    #82658
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @deflationista

    Since I am the person who braced you the most directly, harshly and explicitly it is fitting that I be the first to ask that you not leave.

    You are not a troll or anything like it. I reviewed your posts going back many years and they prove beyond doubt that your positions and opinions are earnestly held.

    In your post to Raul you said, “I made the mistake of responding to every reaction to what I said.”

    I suggest that your mistake was not in responding to every reaction, but in REACTING to every response. It’s an easy and human mistake that we have all made. It’s just one of those human flaws we would all benefit from working on to improve.

    Presenting the views of the loyal opposition . . . respectfully when possible . . . benefits everyone. Ironically, it is a vital part of the Scientific Process that we all claim to revere.

    #82659
    Germ
    Participant

    Over 93% of Britons now have COVID antibodies – acquired from either vaccines or natural infection yet they still want to get all the kids jabbed. Nuts.

    https://tinyurl.com/4x83ynnm

    When does it end?

    #82660
    Germ
    Participant

    “Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime”

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

    #82661
    Germ
    Participant
    #82662
    Germ
    Participant

    A prestigious social media marketing group is paying amateur actors to impersonate medical doctors and promote the COVID-19 experimental vaccine on TikTok –

    https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/fake-doctors-paid-to-peddle-vaccine-on-tiktok

    #82663
    Germ
    Participant

    #82664
    Germ
    Participant

    A study out of Israel just showed that antibodies produced by these vaccines are disappearing at a rate of 40% a month. So much for the vaccine antibodies being better than natural immunity.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/hmo-those-who-inoculated-early-twice-as-likely-to-catch-covid-as-later-adopters/

    #82665
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    Democritus
    Re Deseret news article

    “ This has brought new questions about whether natural infections are more protective against the delta variant than vaccinations — but the answer is not yet certain.”

    Appeal to ignorance is a logical fallacy in which someone argues either for or against something because there is no contradicting evidence. In other words, it’s based on the mistaken assumption that a lack of evidence is evidence.

    It is also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam (Latin for “argument from ignorance”) and is a type of informal fallacy.

    Definition
    As mentioned above, one falls victim to this fallacious line of reasoning when they assert that a claim must be true if it hasn’t been proven false, or false if it hasn’t been proven true.

    Ignorance, or the lack of opposing evidence, is the main premise for the argument, hence the name “appeal to ignorance”.

    There are two logical forms for this argument, depending on if the argument is affirmative or negative. The affirmative claim asserts that a particular conclusion must be true since there is no evidence against it, and a negative one declares a conclusion false due to the same reason.

    Notedly, the article fails to address the issue of Covid survivors having more durable immunity than vaccine recipients — instead, it sows doubt and then moves on.

    I am very glad that Israel’s current Covid wave is less severe than the third wave. I find the data quoted to be insufficient. It would be significant to know, for those currently sick with breakthrough cases, and the subset hospitalized for breakthrough cases, *when* was the vaccination received? Is there a correlation between breakthrough cases and how long ago the vaccine was received? (I.e. is, perhaps, the vaccine effective at either preventing infection or preventing severe infection for the first 4 or 5 or 6 months, but wanes thereafter? Is there a correlation between poor health — comorbidities — and breakthrough infections, and/or Covid hospitalizations? Are people who survived Covid and were subsequently jabbed coming down with Covid? Is PCR testing being used — if so, at what cycle counts? Is there correlation between time that has transpired since vaccination and breakthrough and or hospitalization?)

    Because of the data insufficiencies and general lack of depth to the article, I get the feeling that this article is designed to “mop up” spillover concerns that may arise in the flock when/if they encounter data about breakthrough infections. It appears designed to soothe their fears with data that supports the Trusted Media Initiative, and intentionally does not share any data that might cause more concerns to arise. Personally, when I read it, my mind starts spinning questions about the data not included and I find it odd that others (including the author) do not have similar questions. But that is what happens when your thinking has been confined to a box, and you have been deluded into believing that box is all that there is to see. Plato and the shadows in the cave.

    (I know about such boxes. I was raised in one. My marriage was another. When life did not function according to the rules of the box I had to look outside of the box in order to survive with my sanity intact.)

    #82666
    TAE Summary
    Participant

    * A Very Brief Summary : The Three Important Questions

    1) How effective are the vaccines at preventing Covid symptoms, death and long Covid?

    2) How prevalent, how severe and how long term are side effects (including death) from the vaccines?

    3) How effective are the FLCCC protocols at preventing infection, hospitalization, death and long Covid?

    Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, ere the other side he see.

    #82667

    I’ve seen it happen many times
    A band of voices find a forum-
    One comes along and pantomimes,
    Disrupting previous decorum.

    Will you now craft your words to fit
    As backs are patted all around?
    Or will you formally accept
    That here we cherish fertile ground?

    Such fertile ground grows many flowers.
    Don’t clip the blooms for some bouquet.
    The garden- not the vase- empowers
    Desire to read what you might say.

    #82668
    Susmarie108
    Participant

    Clarity of intention and purpose will “shield us” in our quest to hold firm.

    The Goodwin video linked above is brilliant. She gives my thoughts, feelings, and actions/choices a solid GROUNDING. Thanks to Ilargi for posting it.

    NOW, with clarity and purpose – I can ask my vaccinated friends and family why they feel that they – and or my employer or Government – have the RIGHT to take away my RIGHT to decline medical treatment. Why the rush/full-court press/push to vaccinate ALL? Why is that effort not feeling inappropriate in some way to you?

    To ask them why their response to Covid is better than mine – which involves prevention: sleep, nutrition, supplementation (D/C/B/zinc/copper/magnesium/nano-silver), fit 132 lbs. @5’4”, and early treatment (Ivermectin, supply from Kachhela/India).

    To remind them that we are all not at EQUAL RISK. So why are you and others behaving like we are?

    It’s clear. I am clear. Clearly re-centered in my TRUTH.

    #82669
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    @ deflationista
    Thanks for the info on cognitive biases…
    The thing is, my bottom line is this: I survived Covid and am immune.
    The mainstream narrative tells me I should get vaccinated but has provided me no data that would clearly indicate that this would provide a health benefit to me. Various medical studies strongly suggest that my immunity is broad-based and life-long. At the same time, we have data that suggests that the Covid vaccines are much more dangerous in the short term than any prior vaccine I’ve received and, quite frankly, not enough time has passed to gather sufficient data on mid- and long-term side effects of the vaccine.

    Nothing that you have shared challenges my understanding of my own natural immunity, nor the fact that there are a multitude of adverse reactions in VAERS, proportionately much larger than any prior mass vaccination campaign.

    “Safe and effective” is a meaningless mantra without the data to back it up. The mid-term data is just starting to emerge; long-term data is non-existent.

    I acknowledge that I have cognitive biases. That is why I take the time to parse these issues out, and get to the core issues. I recognize that I lack trust in the Establishment, and that lack of trust is what spurred me to look for the data behind their pronouncements and to base my actions (or inaction) on the data.

    #82670
    Noirette
    Participant

    On the Zero Hedge article, “China’s social credit system has arrived in America..” (prev. thread posted by Ilargi.)

    My grandfather (my only grand-p who survived WW2) and could tell me stories, travelled all over Europe on a bike (between WW1 – 2), when he was young, there were no controls. The personal touch..

    Some ppl had a ‘Laissez-passer’ – a certificate signalling they were ‘unique, important’ or were ‘envoys’ and were thus due some special courtesies and attention. These were handwritten and sometimes crudely stamped with an official imprimatur, by the ruling dignitaries, officials, of the originating country, district. This was the European system 1500 – 1900 (rough dates, but see link) …

    For ordinary folks making small trips, or even huge ones, which was admired, no certification was required.

    Passports only came in bit by bit. I just looked up the wiki and it seems not too bad? (link.) Now, without re-tracing the history of personal ID, gradually, from (let’s say 1920) the “certification” has flowered and grown.

    The last time I went to renew my passport I was directed to a closed booth and special photo-op (bio-metric pass, photo of iris.) Hmm. This actually would be a great topic for a Book. Really, yes, looking for collabs.

    The US, more so? see below .. than other W countries, uses and promotes the judgement, the singling out, the branding, categorising, of individuals. It has public Credit Scores, Criminal Records (and other publically available registers..), medical records (easily transmitted), a no-fly list, suspected-terrorist lists, and probably more I haven’t a clue about.

    The urge to meld all these together must be very strong.

    Note US citizens did not (afaik) ever oppose any of this, maybe Gitmo an exception, but of course nothing happened, etc. It is an old story, creeping authoritariasm is ignored or welcomed when it viciously targets *dirty, dangerous ppl, scum*, sparing *us, the valiant supporters of our overlords* …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passport

    Several W countries are just as bad (or worse) but less blatant. France for ex. has a category called *fiché S,* ppl who are ‘at risk’ for becoming ‘violent’ jihadists; a dossier is opened, and the person is tagged, surveilled, monitored. Even visiting a jihadist website can get you on there!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiche_S (in eng)

    Since a year or two, all control and stigmatisation of ppl has switched to the oh-so-convenient medical (hard to counter, oppose, illustrate, explain..) rationales re. COV-19.

    Terrorists are old-hat ..totally passé! Kicked into the dustbin of history! 🙂

    The unvaccinated, deplorable, mentally deficient or deranged, disgusting, plebs are far more dangerous! They have germs in their ugly bodies that can kill you, your sweet gran, your children! No guns or explosives, dark plots, no, just ignorant c***s who refuse to follow The Science!

    #82671
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    You are not a troll or anything like it. I reviewed your posts going back many years and they prove beyond doubt that your positions and opinions are earnestly held.

    Okay, this is where I really think I need to say something. Prior to last night deflationista was merely annoying, but when someone comes charging in swinging a baseball-bat in every direction the way they did on Thursday night, that’s when they become a noxious troll in my estimation, and that’s why my usual forbearance came to a very abrupt and dramatic end. It really seemed as though I was witnessing the denouement of an especially nasty psychiatric episode, and deflationista in their long tirade earlier in the week certainly outlined some reasons why they might be experiencing just such a thing.

    And that, in turn, made me wonder, is both RL and the Internet just going to keep getting crazier and crazier until somebody somewhere gets seriously hurt or killed? (But with four officers who were present at the Capitol riots having killed themselves already, perhaps it’s a bit late to wonder such a thing.) But I should probably remember that I do have low-key Generalized Anxiety Disorder, and perhaps its time for me to take Dr. D’s prescription and not make such threatening mountains out of such risible molehills.

    And also, this probably isn’t the place to post nostalgic music-videos from the eighties just because I don’t feel comfortable having anything to do with Facebook anymore on account of the way the Zeitgeist is manifesting there.

    #82672
    Bill7
    Participant

    ‘How a 1990s book predicted 2020- Christopher Lasch’s ‘The Revolt of the Elites’ detailed how capitalism would radicalise the rich’:

    “Here was a revolution backed by almost all billion-dollar businesses and public institutions bar the US presidency, and whose leaders had almost nothing to say about poverty or unemployment. Their demands were for more diversity and racial equality, already sacred ideas among the cognitive elite, all of it accompanied by bizarre, quasi-religious public declarations of faith.

    It was the Revolt of the Elites.

    Christopher Lasch never lived to see his great work published, but since his death from cancer in February 1994, it has developed a cult following among unorthodox sections of Right and Left. The Revolt of the Elites and the Betrayal of Democracy warned of a growing cultural and social divide caused by a rapacious free market and the radical politics of the Sixties, one that would lead to extremism and division..”

    https://unherd.com/2020/07/the-book-that-predicted-2020/

    Reposting this from yesterday- I think Eisenstein’s piece could have used some judicious editing, but still very good: https://charleseisenstein.substack.com/p/mob-morality-and-the-unvaxxed

    upstateNYer said:

    “I come to TAE to AVOID group think. Ya know, the group think we’re bombarded with every single day on every mainstream outlet. The mainstream BS stats (covid and vaccine) that not one journalist questions. The vaccine deaths that not one person has investigated or proven to be inflated. The chain yanking “the science” has gleefully undertaken over the past 18 months.

    I’m in NY. I know what group think is. It’s vaccine mandates for a job, test mandates for a job, mask mandates, lock downs, failed businesses, people wearing masks when they’re alone walking up a street with no one else on it. Group think is when nearly everyone I know has been injected with a vaccine that uses novel technology never used in human vaccines … and which has NO long term safety data. (a fact even deflat and democ can’t debate). Group think is when parents inject that novel substance into their children. You know, the young people who should have a long time left on this planet but, hey, who cares about long-term effects?..”

    Hear, hear..

    #82673
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    I think there is an extremely high probability that our so-called leaders are listening to ( and BELIEVING, unfortunately) a host of computer driven/ machine learning / Artificial Intelligence algorithms almost exclusively, and ignoring the heartfelt pleas from their consituants and even their OWN hearts . . . because the machines (in service to rather sociopathic but otherwise rational elites) are both predicting and CAUSING human chaos in a feedback loop.

    Since machines are not conscious these AI solutions cannot actually evaluate ANYTHING. They can be programmed to simulate conscious evaluation of what is good or bad . . . but ultimately these simulations are just that. They are simulations. FAKE. Fake now and fake forevermore (Dawkins, Kurzweil, their ilk and their sophistry be damned!) .

    It is also highly probable that the way out, realistically, is going to be the more or less catastrophic collapse of the highly complex technical apparatus that made such robo-tyranny possible in the first place. Our job is to save the pieces (and our loved ones) when that goes down.

    #82674
    Bill7
    Participant

    4) Why has there never been a clear definition of a “Covid case” ?

    #82675
    chooch
    Participant

    “so why then do you suddenly trust a government-corporate cabal when they tell you to hide in your homes for years and submit to an untested drug that’s never before been used on humans and for which they have zero liability? Why do you allow these nefarious professional criminals to convince you to turn on your neighbors, friends, and family if any of them dares to question the approved narrative? “

    Vaccines, Variants, and Vilification

    900+ comments

    A Pandemic of The Vaccinated – Does The Vaccine Create a Pathway For A More Dangerous Variant?

    #82676
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Karls eyebrow went up when looking at jobs data

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243171

    #82677
    Figmund Sreud
    Participant

    OK, folks, I have been following teachings of Dr. Richard Fleming on this topic of COVID-19, … and largely accepting it all as presented, … as perhaps, just closest to being most probable. But, … just lately, my inner feeling is that he becomes more and more a possessed person on a mission… more a Fauci Hunter than a doctor he probably is. Here is on him/his latest:

    COVID Criminals WILL Be Held Accountable, Says Atty. Dr. Fleming in Warning Against Novavax
    https://thenewamerican.com/covid-criminals-will-be-held-accountable-says-atty-dr-fleming-in-warning-against-novavax/
    … any comment on this would be greatly appreciated.

    Best,
    F.S.

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