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Finally getting around to researching online how all the work gets done, in the first days of 2001 I ran into Jay at dieoff.org. Some not many months later my distant family members and friends, if I ever had any, became quite unimpressed by my chicken little story. Jay probably served as an important information source fo lotta people.
Some nineteen years and uncountable yards of surveillance tape later, this shooting star that some refer to as industrial human society is about to sparkly burn out, it seems, and the Earth will probably indeed be greener for it, in part, simply as a result of fewer herbicides being broadcast ubiquitously. All the political chatter, news I guess, is eminently worthy of being totally ignored, I would say, because apparently still most people are not supposed to know that this shit is going away [and therefore, are being lied to night and day].
Energy. Yes, I say, ENERGY. The Universe IS energy. Matter is simply bundles of energy banging into each other. So, I don’t have to do very much to have a lot of stuff and mobility. Machines do “all” the work running on massive amounts of solid, liquid, and gaseous hydrocarbons that the machines dig out of the ground. So, I have no idea what the nut tards are gabbing about but it sure as hell ain’t about energy, is it?
Aside:
Does it seem like we just went into an unplanned holding pattern? That’s tough to do when you’re falling out of the sky. Perhaps, we have dissension in the ranks in the Great Halls of the upper hierarchy. Wouldn’t that be a grand state of affairs, the rulers contesting one another? Jay may yet be “correct” in his long held [forever, it seems to me] belief and prediction that IT all ends in nuclear war. That was the one point with Jay that I always intently wished that he was completely off the mark; nuclear war seems worse than flying porcupines. Well, regardless of the possible cause, from acrimony to harmony, nuclear war opens up the entire set of extreme possibilities – hell, I could see that we might have some additional company in few years when it’s time to go topside and because the wind shifted right there unexpectedly, the fallout wiped out the food production capabilities in a certain area leading to an unfulfilled promise of fresh veggies at the opening festivities that never occurred.I suspect that old Betsy is long past her days of undergoing repairs for damage and breakage. She’s definitely pumping mud, it seems to me.
Shut ‘er down, Clancy!
’bout time to grab yer BOB.
@The Technological Revolution Devours its Children
Have you noticed that Dmitry has shut down the comments to his blog?
Apparently, the task of censoring all of the comments which lack the requisite quantities of adulation for all of his self righteous proclamations has become too arduous.
For those few folks who have subscribed to his fee based services and thus, can still submit comments, I would recommend that you never question his assertion, “I can assert that if you live your life as if God exists and abide by His commandments it is statistically likely that numerous benefits will accrue to you” by comparing it to faking an orgasm. Apparently, reducing religious commitment to a trip to the casino is nothing like stopping off at the horse ranch beforehand.
Why do you suppose that so many of the major actions by the United States appear as though they are deliberately intended to destabilize and to ultimately collapse the entire human industrial society?
And by the way, the seemingly universal habit of talking about a President of the United States as if the person is anything more than a hood ornament and somehow is in possession of some decision making authority drives me completely crazy. I find it to be patently absurd, illogical, and completely incredible. Perfectly intelligent and educated people do it all over the world – WTF?
If there was a 5-kilometer diameter meteor on a collision course with Earth, I cannot imagine that it would make any sense at all to say something like, “get rid of it”.
The amount of energy controlled by a relatively few individuals is beyond the imagination.
The only remotely possible solutions for anyone are personal solutions. Industrial human society is toast, and we can only hope, for what reason I cannot offer, that collapse does not include extinction.
…but I could be wrong
To my way of thinking, in general there are three sets of laws globally. There are the laws that apply to the masses. There are the laws that apply to law enforcement personnel. There are the laws that apply to the ruling elite and to a lesser degree their errand boys.
There is really is no reason for hand wringing. There is only one’s path as it unfolds across the uneven landscape.
I frequent a fair number of alternative news and blog sites. Over time I have stuck with those where I find the content to be intellectually compelling. Some of the sites are hosted by people who, in my opinion, are educationally and intellectually waaaaaaaaaay above average. I find that to be the case at TAE.
The one thing that I would wish for at ALL of the sites that I visit, especially the ones that I highly respect like this one, would be the elimination of the words [and their derivatives], FACT, REAL, KNOW, and TRUE.
My position is that knowledge is an illusion and that truth is a weapon used by some in an attempt to influence or control the opinions of others.
I believe these things to be true because the brain is completely isolated from the external environment and does hear sound or see light or feel or taste or smell. The brain “hears about” external stimuli as bio-electrical nervous chatter that it receives from sensory nerves and organs. It cannot possibly “know” anything about the Universe. To imagine that a 3-pound chunk of meat could possibly “know” anything strikes me nowadays as at least illogical and probably absurd.
Of course, these are only my opinions. I could be wrong.
Do you sincerely believe that a “President” has this kind of power or authority or indeed, any authority at all beyond the selection of the dinner china pattern?
Consider this possibility. There are scores of corporate titans with adequate financial assets and vested interests in presidential discretion that could have family members of any politician disappeared, and there are equal numbers of the global ruling cabal whose insane assets are not even kept in their names who could have the family members of the corporate titans disappeared. Does that sound like a possible scenario where a measly little millionaire would be allowed to swashbuckle his way through four or eight years of cheap celebrity?
May I suggest that we quit blaming the pissants for the deeds of those who hold the reins.
~toktomi~
It appears to me that there is a grand operation in progress to jam all the media networks with massively contradictory misinformation and to ratchet up the public angst to stratospheric levels in preparation for something quite lovely not. The matrix is surely functional. Lies, lies, lies, lies; everywhere lies.
I have but one fundamental interest at this point; most of my other interests are insignificant and transitory. I for sure don’t give a damn about goofy national politics, although I had a passing interest in Cohen after his “surgery”. It seems to have remedied any possible serious thoughts that he may have had about being seriously nasty with any Trump dirt. My biggest interest is in the remote possibility of being able to sift from the endless barrage of public bs news a hint of a forewarning of lights out if indeed there will be a designed event to get the show on the road.
To my way of thinking, virtually the entirety of global industrial human society is dying, and it is meaningless to contemplate global or national or regional or possibly even local societal alternatives.
As each day passes and as I continue to read the musings splayed across digital media, I become more awed and confused that nobody seems to understand the meaning of “The End”.
Stick a fork in it, y’all. It’s about time to move to cover in the trees.
“Collapse Ain’t Nuthin New”
Perhaps not, but 7.5 billion souls on board is definitely new. The collapse of this unique industrial human society for sure will be new. The very real possibility of humanity returning permanently to a stone age, hunter/gatherer existence or the worse, easily imaginable possibility of near term extinction of the human species would definitely be new.
If this is the premise that the calamity that humans face today is no more serious than some bad times in the past then I’ll take my leave of all that follows herein.
Thanks, but no.
~toktomi~
So, all of the smart money is pointing out in each, it’s own vernacular that the beast is now feeding on itself. So, F\/CKING what? What is your point?
Kathy McMahon pointed out many years ago that there is no solution, mitigation maybe, but we ain’t getting out of this whole. McPherson is banging a buck like a fuck for nothing more than banging a buck. Where does that leave us?
Let me offer an alternative. THE ONLY POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS ARE PERSONAL. In my vernacular, be searching like a mad dog for an escape pod. 90+% dieoff does not spell good odds for anybody, least of all us poor people.
Nobody, I’m guessing, needs any more descriptions, anymore convincing, anymore evidence of the imminent massive entropy event.
What they, the few possible survivors, the genetic survivors, the potential wild genes, need is a road sign that directs them to the wilderness.
FIRE!
still crazy…
I read the first 2½ paragraphs and that is all. I don’t need to read anymore than that. I can hear you. I can feel you. Who’da thought that an electronic medium could carry the heartbeat of a soul?
But I fear that time has run out on us all.
But, of course, do not give up. You can’t give up. Your will to live, your “survival gene” has undergone a transference to a very many outside of you. That is a strange phenomenon among many creatures – which kinda wrecks the selfish gene theory.
I have only a half dozen “or so” that I am trying to save and the overwhelming impossibility of that task scares me every single moment of my existence because they are my offspring. My heart goes out to you but I must live with the thought that my heart is all that I have to give.
~toktomi~
“all drop whatever we’re doing, right now” is virtually by definition The Great Collapse or as I like to refer to it, the only shot that the species has of not going extinct in the near term – is it not?
Some technologies can be scaled up which over time has provided for the ability to exploit more energy and to increasingly despoil the biosphere. I have little faith that the successful technologies have an equal ability to scale down. Besides, you know damn well that a growth-based global economy must grow to survive, that the only alternative to growth is death, final and complete.
I concur with your “bemusement” with that odd guy – trolling for quitters and pocketing the proceeds is how I describe his mission.
and as usual, I express only my opinions – I could be wrong
~toktomi~
You write: “The end of growth exposes the stupidity and ignorance of all but (and even that’s a maybe) a precious few (of our) ‘leaders’. There is no other way this could have run, because an era of growth simply selects for different people to float to the top of the pond than a period of contraction does. Can we agree on that?”
Well, we cannot agree on the notion that growth selects for different people to float to the top than contraction does.
The end of growth as the global industrial human society is now experiencing is without precedent in human history. There will be no new leaders floating to the top. There may be some new errand boys that the owners parade around a bit – although I doubt even that much change in the “leadership” will be realized.
We are experiencing the complete collapse of industrial human society [in slow motion so far]. We can no longer speak of the future in terms that applied to the past.
C’est fini
If ya ask me.~toktomi~
Oh, my, this almost gives a body new hope and faith in our political system, government, banks, corporations, military… uhh, well, maybe not.
~toktomi~
rapier post=7731 wrote:
We can be sure his replacement will have the faith,I am having difficulty in seeing that far down the road.
p01 post=7730 wrote: This is what Bernanke is REALLY saying 😆
https://youtu.be/R-tgpzixe3M?t=56m6sWell, ya, that is the subject matter, I reckon, but the message is slightly different in that this time it will be an orchestrated event with lifeboats for the very privileged few, eh?
I just had the same thoughts a day or so ago, what Bernanke is really saying.
I had about the same title but slightly different words to go with it.
What I hear Bernanke saying is this:
We don’t know what we are going to do in the near term regarding QE and, perhaps, to a lesser degree interest rates. There are a number of critical processes that are maturing and nearing completion. The exact schedules of these processes are impossible to predict at this point. If these projects do not progress as expeditiously as intended, then tapering will not be implemented as quickly as was intimated.
If, however, as very likely may be the case, certain projects are completed without additional delays, tapering will begin as previously described. It is expected that the markets will respond in a more orderly manner having been previously introduced to the the possibility. It would be disastrous to begin tapering QE without it having been previously introduced.
In other words, maybe the Fed will begin tapering and maybe it won’t. It depends of a number of very big factors. You’ve been notified.
As an aside, from my point of view, anyone that believes that the Fed is inept and has not been doing a Herculean job of maintaining the growthless, dying global economy by administering extraordinary financial life support has not been paying attention. What Ben is saying now is that the Fed may begin the withdrawal of that life support as early as “late this year”.
Well, there’s my WAG.
