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@DarkMatter: so you’re thinking … head covid off at the pass by vaccinating eggs and sperm? Good golly that’s brilliant!!! Contact Gates. He perhaps hasn’t thought of this option yet.
@ctbarnum: PS … it is easy to get overwhelmed and disoriented by government-ese (ha!) and legalese BS when you don’t feel all that well and you’re being threatened with access to needed services and medications. It’s in no way a reflection on you that you are, understandably, worried about your access to healthcare at this point. There are people on TAE who are more informed on this topic than I am and Dr John Day is one of them. He’s busy and doesn’t post here often right now, but maybe you can reach out to him via his blog? He works at a clinic that sounds similar to the one you receive healthcare services from so I’m thinking he can provide input.
Stay out of the weeds, my friend. 😉 Be on the offense … forcing them be on defense. You’ll win this, especially in FL. Here in NY?? You’d probably be in a peck of trouble. lol
@ctbarnum, forgive me for being blunt (one of my faults) … but you are getting off in the weeds on this. 🙂
It’s not your responsibility to figure out what the clinic is/is not allowed to do. Boil this down to the brass tacks, one step at a time. First, call the clinic and ask them to mail/email you their written policy on vaccination status requirements prior to receiving health services. If the person on the phone plays dumb, go up the ladder until you reach the person who will provide their WRITTEN policy on vaccination requirements prior to receiving health services. My guess? They won’t provide you anything in writing that says “no vaccine, no service”. As Doc Robinson pointed out, it’s not allowed. At that point, game over. They have to provide you with services.
If they provide a written policy that says no vaccine, no health services … go to town. Contact FL State health agency, governors office, ICAN, etc., etc. You have the info Doc Robinson provided (very helpful), VAERS dbase reports, vaccines are still experimental, not tested in people with diabetes, etc. You have legitimate questions about getting a vaccine with your current and previous health issues. Pull your documentation together and force these … um, people … to STFU (sorry), provide you with healthcare, and knock off their nonsense.
My thoughts …
@ctbarnum, from yesterday, regarding forced vaccination to receive medical services. The easiest thing to do would be to change service providers, but I’m assuming there is not another clinic within a reasonable travel distance that you can switch to? (and that would not require a vaccination to receive services)
I’m not an attorney and don’t play one on TV or the internet, but I fail to see how the clinic can refuse service because you aren’t vaccinated. The loopholes you posted regarding “asking vaccination status” allow healthcare providers to ASK, but don’t appear to give them the ability to deny service based on vaccination status. (As a matter of fact, didn’t DeSantis publicly state that FL will not have mandatory vaccination?)
Regarding the statements you posted about what is allowed “under a “public health emergency” set by the state health officer ..”, if the governor has lifted the emergency mandate then it doesn’t seem FL is under a public health emergency set by the STATE health officer. If that is the case, how can a locality unilaterally decide it has power under a “public health emergency” to mandate you get a vaccination to receive services?
I recommend you contact ICAN (Informed Consent Action Network: icandecide.org) with a brief summary of your situation and ask their advice. They have taken legal action in various states against this type of behavior. Check out their link to “Formal Demands to Government Agencies” (FL is in there – ICAN lawyers have been active in FL for much more minor infractions than what you are facing).
Another option is to contact America’s Frontline Doctors (americasfrontlinedoctors.org). I’m not sure they directly assist people, but they have a legal team that may provide advice or point you in the right direction.
You should also contact the state health dept (cc: the governor’s office) in writing … over and over and over again … until someone explains to you, in writing, just why you are being denied medical care due to vaccination status.
Whatever you do, don’t give up!
PS: I would have posted actual links but after my utter failure doing that yesterday it seems safer not to try. 😉
@ctbarnum: tired and logging off for now. Will posit some thoughts tomorrow.
Not sure why we “dumb Q public” need to form the perfect argument to support every question we raise about covid, but the “scientists” who do the medical/epidemiology/public health stuff for a living – something like 40+ hours a week – don’t have to back up one single thing they say with …. hard evidence.
Riddle me this, Batman …
@ezlxa1949: “We have to be careful when arguing outside our specialties.”
No we don’t. The medical professionals need to be certain in their presentation so that we have no arguments to counter what they’re saying. They have failed miserably.
@Germ: thanks! You’re a star. 🙂
Not sure what I was doing wrong with posting the link, but this publication is important and got me wondering about the differences we’re seeing in vaccine reactions. Although maybe I’m getting paranoid.
@ctbarnum: I responded to you on the debt rattle. I’m not Dr John Day and can only offer “John Q Public” advice but for gods sake, you should not get the vaccine.
It appears that every medical professional for the past few decades has forgotten that ANY vaccine is only to be given to a healthy individual. That is the label on both human and animal vaccines so whenever an unhealthy individual or unhealthy pet is vaccinated, it is being used “off label”. This is overlooked by medical professionals for reasons I do not understand, and their stupidity has resulted in death.
Has anyone really noted and also considered the people that were “excluded” from the initial covid-19 vaccine trials? Unhealthy individuals need not apply …
You have several months of insulin left before you run out, is that correct? Hang in there. We’ll figure it out.
““(5)This section does not apply to a healthcare provider as defined in s.768.38;a service provider licensed or certified under s. 393.17,part III of chapter401,or part IV of chapter468;or a provider with an active healthcare clinic exemption under s. 400.9935”
Are the sections/definitions where this section “does not apply” … federal or state regulations?
Also … “Additionally, under a “public health emergency” set by the state health officer ..”
Is FL still under a public health emergency? I was under the impression the emergency mandate was lifted in FL?
@Maxwell Quest: “Follow the Science”, they keep telling me. Hahahahaha! That’s a good one.”
You are so right! I heard an “expert” in an interview the other day saying that with the Wuhan lab leak stories and Fauci emails coming to light people might begin to question “follow the science” and that this could be “destructive to science” in the future. In the future? There are many of us who haven’t bought into “the science” for decades. And with good reason.
Guys, we’ve gotta have faith. Forget the din that is being drummed up throughout MSM, forget Twitter and Facebook, forget the censorship of qualified medical professionals … have faith in PEOPLE. I do not believe we are going down without a fight. Karl Denninger is very bold in his statements and sometimes I think he’s a bit too confident in how quickly this all will fall apart, although I’m really hoping he’s right.
I live in NY, one of the three worst states in the US for covid restrictions. We even have vaccine passports here at this point. The past 15 months have not been easy. But my family has ignored covid restrictions for so long I actually forget they exist (we have get togethers with 3-5 households present – indoors, no masks, lots of hugs). And we aren’t the only ones. While there’s a sliver of society buying into the covid BS, the rest of us are living our lives.
DeSantis is doing a bang-up job, but we can’t all move to Florida.
Ya gotta have faith … “they” can’t win this one. They got out over their skiis and are going to do a face plant. That’s my bet, at least at this moment, and I’m sticking to it.
@Germ … it’s on The BMJ and the title is: “The EMA covid-19 data leak, and what it tells us about mRNA instability”
I’ve tried to post a link three times to an article in the BMJ regarding a “covid 19 data leak to the EMA” and it isn’t uploading successfully. Hopefully it doesn’t upload now as three separate comments or y’all will, understandably, want to stone me. Germ can probably go to the BMJ and find the article based on the title and post a link. 😉
Posting a copy/paste of part of the article without the link:
“As it conducted its analysis of the Pfizer-BioNTech covid-19 vaccine in December, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) was the victim of a cyberattack.1 More than 40 megabytes of classified information from the agency’s review were published on the dark web, and several journalists—including from The BMJ—and academics worldwide were sent copies of the leaks. They came from anonymous email accounts and most efforts to interact with the senders were unsuccessful. None of the senders revealed their identity, and the EMA says it is pursuing a criminal investigation.
The BMJ has reviewed the documents, which show that regulators had major concerns over unexpectedly low quantities of intact mRNA in batches of the vaccine developed for commercial production.EMA scientists tasked with ensuring manufacturing quality—the chemistry, manufacturing, and control aspects of Pfizer’s submission to the EMA—worried about “truncated and modified mRNA species present in the finished product.” Among the many files leaked to The BMJ, an email dated 23 November by a high ranking EMA official outlined a raft of issues. In short, commercial manufacturing was not producing vaccines to the specifications expected, and regulators were unsure of the implications. EMA responded by filing two “major objections” with Pfizer, along with a host of other questions it wanted addressed.
The email identified “a significant difference in % RNA integrity/truncated species” between the clinical batches and proposed commercial batches—from around 78% to 55%. The root cause was unknown and the impact of this loss of RNA integrity on safety and efficacy of the vaccine was “yet to be defined,” the email said.
Ultimately, on 21 December, EMA authorised Pfizer-BioNTech’s vaccine.”
Thank you, Noirette. I appreciate your comments very much. They’re thoughtful and quite enlightening, especially for me as an American. Also, I concur with you on the number of actors in this covid origination game. The argument about which country created the virus … It’s China!!! … It’s the US!!! … is a stupid distraction. “They” now have us arguing over something (the origin of a virus, for gods sake) that we can never know the truth about (ramping up on the race, religion, ethnicity, etc., differences they’ve been using to foment dissent for oh so long). We, the little guys, can do better than this. We need to knock off the arguments about “which country” is “doing something” … because any – ANY – country with money and power is or was at some point involved.
@ Maxwell Quest: interesting anecdote from your coffee group. The link Germ provided to the Jessica Rose analysis of the VAERS through April showed adverse events began increasing quite a bit starting in March, which led me to wonder what happened to the adverse events in the elderly population since the injection was rolled out first to nursing home residents and seniors. I assumed they weren’t being recorded.
@DarkMatter: “I called a doctor from the list on FLCCC and they gave me … a note for my employer giving me a medical exemption from being ‘vaccinated’.”
I didn’t realize FLCCC doctors could provide a medical exemption. If it isn’t too personal, can I ask which doctor you contacted and how you got the exemption? (if it’s too personal just ignore my question – public forum and all …)
The spike protein debacle is EXACTLY what Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi has described as the consequence of the injections for months now.
The level of stupidity being employed at this point to explain away any negative consequences of the injections beggars belief. Natural spike proteins = damage you. Injection-induced spike proteins = safe for you. BUT … injections instruct your cells to create spike proteins so your body recognizes the spike protein and develops immunity against covid. Seriously? Can’t have it both ways. Gotta pick, you idiots.
The original Salk article absolutely did not contain “(which behave very differently than those safely encoded by vaccines)”
Correction: I’m never GETTING the vaccine. It appears I’m being indoctrinated into the new narrative. In the past we did not refer to it as “taking” a vaccine. It was referred to as “getting” a vaccine (at least here in the US). Subtle difference but worth noting. I’m trying to stick with the old message as it’s a more accurate description.
@ sumac.carol … I’m never taking the vaccine. Period. We’re exposed to chemicals in everything, no doubt, but we don’t inject them in our bodies via a needle that bypasses every natural defense nature has provided.
@ V Arnold, link to UFO article. Good read. Agreed. PsyOps. And if it isn’t PsyOps and there really are UFOs with the capabilities being described, and whoever is flying these UFOs is interested in our planet, we might as well bend over and kiss it goodbye since there’s little we could do to defend ourselves anyhow. 😉
PS … if the quality of the videos being released is the best our military can do we have bigger problems than UFOs.
@Germ: have you posted this link yet? (if yes, my apologies). This is an in-depth yet simple explanation of the problem with all of the vaccines (links to medical papers included). Btw, yes, ALL of the vaccines, including Sputnik.
So … here in the lovely “Excelsior” state I continue to go without a mask. I’m one in less than 5%-10% who goes without, just to show the level of psychosis that has gripped NY (psychosis – losing touch with reality – what an understatement).
Oddly, whenever I see another person without a mask I feel like greeting them enthusiastically with a big smile and “Hi! How are you?” as if I know them personally and haven’t seen them in ages. This just goes to show how deeply the past 14 months has messed with our minds. (as V Arnold has stated so succinctly of late …)
I don’t think the link below has been posted? I’ll try to post it (technically challenged, I am) and see if it works. It’s good for a laugh:
@ John Day: saw the kiddie pool seedling pic. Excellent, inexpensive idea! Do you drill holes in the bottom to allow for drainage when it rains, etc?
I think Hodkinson is being a bit cavalier when he states “And that circulation takes the spike protein everywhere, including the placenta of women who happen to be pregnant at the time, which is a one-time hit for that particular pregnancy, probably not for subsequent ones.”
What is happening to women getting this vaccine is not normal, as Germ’s sister-in-law is experiencing right now despite what her doctor is telling her. There is no way to know how this could impact future pregnancies. Germ provided a link the other day to the VAERS study video by Jessica Rose. Her final segment expresses enormous concern for the potential impact to women’s reproductive organs and strongly urges further study in this area before it’s too late.
@V. Arnold: “I’m just so fucking pissed/disgusted I can hardly even think…”
I’m right there with you. My heart aches over what is being done. It’s beyond me how people are continuing to function in day-to-day life, mindlessly thinking this injected biologic and vaccine passports are sound ideas and will keep them safe. While I understand “how” this happened, it doesn’t make it any easier to witness. Or live through. (Full disclosure: my adult son got vaccinated with Moderna. I tried, but no rational argument worked. He “seems” to understand the risks, wants to travel this summer, and figures he’ll be fine.)
@ Germ: loved the video on the VAERS analysis. Very well done.
On the ground in NY (gotta love this state): vaccinated are now allowed in [some] stores mask less. The store gets to decide. I ran some errands today. Result:
Target: there were no “mask required” signs on doors. Since I “identify” as vaccinated (lol – love that idea!) I went in without a mask. 100% of staff and 85-90% of the customers wore masks. I avoided the masked people as I assume they don’t identify as vaccinated. 😉
Liquor store: there were no “mask required” signs on doors. I went mask less. 100% of staff and customers were masked. Except me.
Loved every minute of it. 🙂
Cuomo: releasing nursing home information would be an “invasion of personal privacy”.
Cuomo: vaccine passports are not an invasion of privacy
Ok, I’ll stop before I drive everyone on here nuts today …
“The US is deploying additional forces to Afghanistan and the surrounding regions to …… withdraw all combat troops …”
Too bad most stand-up comics have opted to become PC. This stuff writes itself.
Polder: thanks for finding the Bhakdi video link. They pulled it from youtube the day Raul posted it. I’d already watched it but wanted to see it again.
I think I’m finally catching on about kovid:
original strain = 1 mask
double mutant strain = 2 masks
triple mutant strain = 3 masksClear, easy-to-understand instructions for combating this virus. If the experts had explained it like that from the beginning it would not have taken everyone so long to get onboard with this.
/sarc
christianarchist: sending along a bit of hope from that “other coast”. 😉 I don’t know where and I don’t know how, either. But you are not alone. Hang in.
Mr House: you’re hitting it out of the park today. Period. Whether the sun is in a person’s eyes so they can’t see the ball depends on where they’re sitting in the stadium. Keep posting. It’s appreciated.
Doc Robinson: to break it down more succinctly …
“refusing to be vaccinated is an immoral position”
the flip side of that debate should have been …
“forcing people to be vaccinated is an immoral position”
Apples, apples.
Doc Robinson: I would agree, if Murray used different language when discussing not getting vaccinated.
However, “refusing to be vaccinated is an immoral position” is an emotive argument that he backs up with zero evidence (for examples, what does the statistical evidence indicate these vaccines have accomplished to date?) Murray then goes on to state the vaccines break transmission (evidence?)
The language he uses when discussing compulsory vaccination, on the other hand, is relatively dry and he spends time discussing statistics and the odds of young people dying from covid, etc., etc., etc.
In light of the emotional [over]reaction these days to the subject of COVID and vaccination, I can’t help but be suspect when Murry does that very thing when discussing vaccination.
And … I like and appreciate your posts. I’m not being critical of your input, I just dislike attributing “morality” to vaccination. My personal bias. Understood.
