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Edvard Munch Separation 1894

 

160+ Experts Slam Covid Vaccines As ‘Unnecessary, Ineffective And Unsafe’ (LSN)
Second And Last Reply To M. Yeadon (Van Den Bossche)
The Danger Of Claimed ‘Statistics’ (Denninger)
Daily US Covid Cases Lowest In A Year, Pandemic Worsens In Latin America (F.)
No 10 ‘Tried To Block’ Data On Spread Of New Covid Variant In UK Schools (O.)
Fauci Faces Drop In Confidence From 40% Of Americans Over Past Year (RT)
The Disintegrated States Of America (Escobar)
The New “Rush Hour” (ZH)
Lithuania Pulls Out Of China’s 17+1 Bloc In Eastern Europe (Pol.eu)

 

 

Yeadon

 

 

Michael Yeadon’s group.

160+ Experts Slam Covid Vaccines As ‘Unnecessary, Ineffective And Unsafe’ (LSN)

In their letter earlier this month, Doctors for COVID-19 Ethics emphasized serious health implications of the vaccines for both the healthy and ill, saying that the shots “are not safe, either for recipients or for those who use them or authorize their use.” They pointed to risks of “lethal and non-lethal disruptions of blood clotting including bleeding disorders, thrombosis in the brain, stroke and heart attack,” “antibody-dependent enhancement of disease,” autoimmune reactions, and potential effects of “vaccine impurities due to rushed manufacturing and unregulated production standards.”

“Contrary to claims that blood disorders post-vaccination are ‘rare’, many common vaccine side effects (headaches, nausea, vomiting and hematoma-like ‘rashes’ over the body) may indicate thrombosis and other severe abnormalities,” the experts said. “Clotting events currently receiving media attention are likely just the ‘tip of a huge iceberg.’” “Due to immunological priming, risks of clotting, bleeding and other adverse events can be expected to increase with each re-vaccination and each intervening coronavirus exposure,” Doctors for COVID-19 Ethics added. “Over time, whether months or years, this renders both vaccination and coronaviruses dangerous to young and healthy age groups, for whom without vaccination COVID-19 poses no substantive risk,” they argued.

“Just as smoking could be and was predicted to cause lung cancer based on first principles, all gene-based vaccines can be expected to cause blood clotting and bleeding disorders, based on their molecular mechanisms of action,” they said. “Consistent with this, diseases of this kind have been observed across age groups, leading to temporary vaccine suspensions around the world.” “Since vaccine roll-out, COVID-19 incidence has risen in numerous areas with high vaccination rates. Furthermore, multiple series of COVID-19 fatalities have occurred shortly after the onset vaccinations in senior homes,” the doctors said. “These cases may have been due not only to antibody-dependent enhancement but also to a general immunosuppressive effect of the vaccines, which is suggested by the increased occurrence of Herpes zoster in certain patients.”

“Regardless of the exact mechanism responsible for these reported deaths, we must expect that the vaccines will increase rather than decrease lethality of COVID-19,” they continued. The group stressed that the jabs remain technically experimental – a fact that legally precludes mandatory vaccination in many cases: “The vaccines are experimental by definition. They will remain in Phase 3 trials until 2023. Recipients are human subjects entitled to free informed consent under Nuremberg and other protections, including the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe’s resolution 2361 and the FDA’s terms of emergency use authorization.”

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Van Den Bossche has problems with Yeadon. I’m not going to pretend I understand his every word here. But I’d like to know what everybody thinks.

Second And Last Reply To M. Yeadon (Van Den Bossche)

Michael Yeadon’s rhetoric that mass vaccination campaigns do not have the potential to promote circulation of more infectious immune escape variants and that more infectious variants are not problematic are not based on sound immunological grounds at all. This will be my second but last reply to his erroneous and misleading interpretations. I hate to do this since this may leave the public with the opinion that people like me have nothing else to do than to focus on their own ego, although nothing is less true. However, when the most compelling arguments for my warning about the potentially disastrous consequences of mass vaccination are wiped from the table with scientifically hollow and invalid arguments, one has no choice but to react.

Now, more than ever before, criticism is indispensable to build and consolidate a consensus on why mass vaccination campaigns (using the current vaccines in the heat of a pandemic caused by a highly mutable virus) are highly problematic. However, it doesn’t help when people bring to the table arguments that are scientifically incorrect. Yeadon is basically not understanding the difference between viral escape from protection-blocking immunity and viral escape from infection-/ transmission-blocking immunity. His rhetoric about conserved T cell epitopes and long-lived cross-reactive MHC cl I-restricted responses to those, relate to protection against clinical disease but not against infection!

Yeadon doesn’t seem to understand the mechanism of S-directed immune selection, let alone adaptation of variants to conditions of suboptimal, S-directed immune pressure, which become increasingly prevalent upon mass vaccination. I can barely believe that someone who claims to be a skilled expert in immunology doesn’t see the parallel to serial in vitro cell culture passage of a mutable virus in the presence of suboptimal antibody (Ab) concentrations. In case of CoV inoculated on permissive cells, one would incubate the inoculated cell culture in the presence of suboptimal S-specific Abs to place infectious pressure on viral infectiousness. Provided you harvest the viral progeny and use it to repeat this procedure a number of times, you’ll manage to progressively enrich the viral progeny with naturally occurring S variants that have been selected to overcome the immune pressure placed on the S protein and which are, therefore, more infectious in nature.

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“If you’re offered some type of lottery-style prize to do a potentially dangerous thing — run.”

The Danger Of Claimed ‘Statistics’ (Denninger)

Let’s say that a “bad thing” is likely to happen to 50 in 100,000 people, that is, 0.05%. This is quite rare. Let’s say you do something with 30,000 people. You’d expect to see 15 bad things to happen. Well, let’s say you see three bad events. How confident are you that you just reduced the risk by 80%? If your answer is “not very” you’re wise. If you go cheering in the streets you’re stupid. Now might you try that thing that appears to be 80% effective? Sure, provided the risk of it doing something else that’s bad (which you don’t want to have happen) is also vanishingly small. But it’s one thing to try, and other to rely or make public policy based on those numbers. Remember that for any individual you are a trial of one; you’re not a trial of 100,000 or 330,000,000.

That is the roulette-wheel statistical fallacy and every single casino on the planet uses it to entice you to place a bet that in fact has no better or worse odds than the next table down the row! Assuming that there is no cheating going on and the wheel and ball are in fact “fair” (that is, the ball is round and balanced, and all of the spaces on the wheel have the same characteristics) each roll of the ball has exactly the same odds of landing on a given number on the wheel as every other roll of the ball. The distribution of former outcomes on that board is pure random chance and so is the next throw of the ball. So if the odds are in fact 0.05% of the bad thing then whether 10, 100 or 10,000 people all didn’t have it happen — or some did have it happen — prior to you doing it makes no difference whatsoever.

That five blacks all came up in sequence does not make either black or red (or green for that matter) more or less likely on the next throw of the ball. Your throw is a trial of one and so if the true odds are 0.05% then they are irrespective of all the other trials before. In addition be very careful that risks you think are not related are truly unrelated. For example the risk of being killed in a car accident is approximately 1 in 8,000 per year for a person in the United States. But that’s across everyone; your personal risk, if you drive while intoxicated, is likely quite a bit higher. How much higher? Don’t know, but I bet it’s higher. At the same time if you never take your vehicle outside of city limits where the speed limit is 25mph I bet it’s quite a bit lower. Not your risk of smashing the car, mind you, but your risk of dying due to a car smash.

This becomes quite important when we start talking about actions that have inherent risk to try to reduce a related risk. For example let’s say you take a drug for a given condition. The condition is dangerous and could kill you. The drug could kill you too; all drugs have some risk of doing bad things. Be careful assuming the risk of the drug is the same in everyone because it probably isn’t, just as the risk of the condition is probably not the same in everyone too. If the condition is more-dangerous in certain people for some reason and you know it’s more dangerous in you then you need to be extremely careful to find out whether the risks from the drug scale and, if they do, is their scaling more, equal or less than the factors for the condition. The best situation of course is that whatever makes the condition more-dangerous makes the drug less-so, but this is rare. That the two correlate is common, and that the two are uncorrelated is less-common, but certainly possible.

By the same token the reasonable risk from the drug depends greatly on the hazard from not using it, and instead employing all other known and available countermeasures that may exist. This is why companies look for cancer drugs, incidentally — it’s not just the money to be made but also the degree of risk that is acceptable. If you are searching for a drug that treats ordinary headaches it has to be extremely safe because headaches don’t kill people. Therefore the risk of not using the drug is zero and as a result the risk of using the drug has to be extremely small. But if you’re attempting to find a drug that cures pancreatic cancer then a risk of 1 in 100 or even 1 in 50 of the drug killing you outright looks very reasonable since at present pancreatic cancer is almost-always fatal even with the best of existing treatment.

One final point: If you’re offered some type of lottery-style prize to do a potentially dangerous thing — run.

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“In Russia, confirmed cases have fallen to 8,000 from almost 24,000 in early January. In Africa, daily confirmed cases have fallen to under 10,000 from 38,000 in early January.”

Daily US Covid Cases Lowest In A Year, Pandemic Worsens In Latin America (F.)

The seven-day average of new Covid cases in the U.S. fell to 27,815 on Friday, the lowest level since last June, but the pandemic is gathering strength in Latin America, where the number of virus-related deaths has passed 1 million, with almost half of them in Brazil, while the virus is spreading to rural parts of India from urban centers. A report from the Biden Administration released Friday showed that the number of U.S. counties with “high” levels of Covid transmission has been cut in half since mid-April to 694 But the Covid pandemic is worsening in some of the most heavily populated countries in Latin America, which accounted for 31% of global Covid deaths in May, while representing only 8.4% of the global population.

The seven-day moving average of confirmed Covid cases has risen in Brazil to more than 78,000 from about 57,000 in early May, and in Argentina to almost 37,000 from 5,760 in early February, according to Johns Hopkins. In India, the seven-day moving average of confirmed cases has fallen to about 265,000 from 382,000 a week ago, but health officials warn the pandemic has spread to rural areas amid a second wave. The U.S. is currently averaging about 552 Covid-related deaths per day, according to Johns Hopkins data, the lowest level since last July. The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington projects that the number of daily deaths will fall to under 120 by early September, down sharply from 5,500 in early January.

In South America, only 15% of people have received at least one vaccination dose, versus 28% in Europe, while Asia and Africa have even lower rates of 5% and 1%, respectively, according to the website Our World in Data through May 19. Meanwhile, in other parts of the world reported infection rates are generally declining. Daily new infections in Europe have dropped to about 86,000 from 116,000 in early April, according to the Reuters tracker, while newly reported deaths have plunged to under 2,000 from almost 7,000 in late January. In Russia, confirmed cases have fallen to 8,000 from almost 24,000 in early January. In Africa, daily confirmed cases have fallen to under 10,000 from 38,000 in early January. In East Asia, Japan’s daily confirmed cases have jumped to about 5,250 from 1,530 in mid-March, while in South Korea, confirmed new cases have dropped to about 650 from 840 in early January.

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What a bunch of amateurs.

No 10 ‘Tried To Block’ Data On Spread Of New Covid Variant In UK Schools (O.)

Downing Street leaned on Public Health England not to publish crucial data on the spread of the new Covid variant in schools, documents seen by the Observer have suggested. Scientists, union officials and teachers said that the lack of transparency was “deeply worrying”. The focus of their anger concerns the pre-print of a PHE report that included a page of data on the spread of the India Covid-19 variant in schools. But when the report was published on Thursday 13 May, the page had been removed. It was the only one that had been removed from the pre-print. Days later, the government went ahead with its decision to remove the mandate on face coverings in English schools. Evidence seen by the Observer suggests No 10 was directly involved in the decision not to publish it.


The prime minister’s office acknowledged it was in correspondence with PHE officials about presentation of the data but vigorously denied this constituted “interference” or “pressure”. Data on the spread of the new variant in schools has still not been published, despite calls from union officials and scientists who say teachers and families are being put at risk. In hotspots such as Bolton, cases involving the variant are rising fastest among school-age children. Information seen by the Observer reveals that 164 cases of the new variant were linked to schools up to 12 May, or 13% of a total of 2,111 cases. Since then, the number of total cases of the new variant has risen to 3,424 cases, a rise of 160%. The number of cases now linked to schools is unknown.

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He’s just another politician.

Fauci Faces Drop In Confidence From 40% Of Americans Over Past Year (RT)

A new poll has found that over 40% of Americans have lost confidence in White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci in the past year. When asked whether their confidence in Dr. Fauci has gone up or down over the past year, 42% of respondents said their confidence had either “decreased significantly” or just “decreased.” The past year thrust the infectious disease expert into the national spotlight as he became a leader in the fight against the Covid-19 pandemic. Fauci’s support of lockdown measures and seeming flip-flops on issues like the safety of masking have earned him plenty of critics, however, especially among conservatives, which shows in the poll from Trafalgar Group. Among Republicans, 66% said their confidence in Fauci has waned.


Only 20% of Democrats said they were less confident in the health expert, and 34% even said they now have more confidence in the man. A YouGov and Yahoo News poll released last week reflected similar party-line results, as nearly 80% of Democrat respondents said Fauci was doing an excellent or good job, while less than 20% of Republicans described his job performance as either good or excellent. Over half of Republican respondents (55%) believed Fauci was doing a poor job. In the same poll, over 60% of Republicans said Fauci had actually “hurt” the US during the pandemic. Overall, 46% of participants said the doctor has “helped.”

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Changes. Greatly underappreciated in the West.

The Disintegrated States Of America (Escobar)

Here, Martyanov, in meticulous detail, analyzes the imperial decline thematically – with chapters on Consumption, Geoeconomics, Energy, Losing the Arms Race, among others, composing a devastating indictment especially of toxic D.C. lobbies and the prevailing political mediocrity across the Beltway. What is laid bare for the reader is the complex interplay of forces that are driving the political, ideological, economic, cultural and military American chaos. Chapter 3, on Geoeconomics, is a joy ride. Martyanov shows how geoeconomics as a field separate from warfare and geopolitics is nothing but an obfuscation racket: good old conflict “wrapped in the thin shroud of political sciences’ shallow intellectualism” – the stuff Huntington, Fukuyama and Brzezinski’s dreams are made of.

That is fully developed on Chapter 6, on Western Elites – complete with a scathing debunking of the “myth of Henry Kissinger”: “just another American exceptionalist, mislabeled a ‘realist’”, part of a gang that “is not conditioned to think multi-dimensionally”. After all they’re still not capable of understanding the rationale and the implications of Putin’s 2007 Munich speech that declared the unipolar moment – a crude euphemism for Hegemony – dead and buried. One of Martyanov’s key assessments is that having lost the arms race and every single war it unleashed in the 21st century – as the record shows – geoeconomics is essentially a “euphemism for America’s non-stop sanctions and attempts to sabotage the economies of any nation capable of competing with the United States” (see, for instance, the ongoing Nord Stream 2 saga). This is “the only tool” the US is using trying to halt its decline.

On a chapter on Energy, Martyanov demonstrates how the US shale oil adventure is financially non-viable, and how a rise in oil exports was essentially due to the US “pickin up’ quotas freed chiefly as a result of Russia and Saudi Arabia’s earlier cuts within OPEC + in an attempt to balance the world’s oil market”. In Chapter 7, Losing the Arms Race, Martyanov expands on the key theme he’s the undisputed superstar: the United States cannot win wars. Inflicting Hybrid War is another matter entirely, as in creating “a lot of misery around the world, from effectively starving people to killing them outright”. A glaring example has been “maximum pressure” economic sanctions on Iran.

But the point is these tools – which also included the assassination of Gen Soleimani – that are part of the arsenal of “spreading democracy” have nothing to do with “geoeconomics”, but have “everything to do with the raw power plays designed to achieve the main Clausewitzian object of war – ‘to compel our enemy to do our will’”. And “for America, most of the world is the enemy”. Martyanov also feels compelled to update what he’s been excelling at for years: the fact that the arrival of hypersonic missiles “has changed warfare forever”. The Khinzal, deployed way back in 2017, has a range of 2,000 km and “is not interceptable by existing US anti-missile systems”. The 3M22 Zircon “changes the calculus of both naval and ground warfare completely”. The US lag behind Russia in air-defense systems is “massive, and both quantitative and qualitative”.

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More changes.

The New “Rush Hour” (ZH)

With everybody moving out of cities and into the suburbs to work from home during the pandemic, there’s officially a “new rush hour”. Gone are the days of waiting on the interstate to get in and out of your local metro area around the edges of the nine to five workday. Here now are the days of a different kind of rush hour: one where running errands in the afternoon, while working from home, has suburban streets filling up. Afternoon traffic has “come roaring back” while traditional rush hour times across the U.S. still show traffic below pre-pandemic levels. Marjorie Crosbie, profiled in a new Wall Street Journal article, experienced this change firsthand. The 10 mile trip to pick up her daughter at an after-school program recently took her 45 minutes instead of the usual 22-23 minutes.


Crosbie works as a senior finance manager for PwC and has been working from home full time since the pandemic. In her area, Tampa, afternoon vehicle trips are at 105% of levels they were at pre-pandemic. “In more than 40 of the 100 biggest U.S. metros, roads are more congested on weekday afternoons than they were pre-pandemic,” the report notes. Tim Rivers, Florida market director for commercial real-estate firm JLL, told the Journal: “People are working from home, so the suburbs have tremendous traffic. They’re going out for a morning coffee at Starbucks to take their Teams or Zoom call, or going for a workout midday.” Traffic in the afternoon has come back quicker in metro areas that have reopened earlier, the report notes. 7 of the top 10 trafficked areas have been in Florida, with notable upticks in areas like Fort Myers and Sarasota. In places like San Francisco, New York and Detroit, afternoon weekday trips are still below 80% of pre-pandemic levels, the report notes.

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Why would China care about Lithuania? Eurovision?

Lithuania Pulls Out Of China’s 17+1 Bloc In Eastern Europe (Pol.eu)

Lithuania has dropped out of China’s “17+1” group and urged other EU countries to follow suit, the Baltic state’s foreign minister told POLITICO. “There is no such thing as 17+1 anymore, as for practical purposes Lithuania is out,” Gabrielius Landsbergis said in an email, referring to Beijing’s decade-old initiative to engage Central and Eastern European countries, most of which are from the ex-Soviet bloc. The Lithuanian foreign minister called on other EU countries to also abandon the initiative. “From our perspective, it is high time for the EU to move from a dividing 16+1 format to a more uniting and therefore much more efficient 27+1,” Landsbergis said. “The EU is strongest when all 27 member states act together along with EU institutions.”

“Vaccination rollout, tackling pandemics are just [a] few recent examples of the EU27 united in solidarity and purpose. Unity of [the] 27 is key to success in EU’s relations with external partners. Relations with China should be no exception,” he added. A spokesman for the Chinese Mission to the EU said China was “not aware” of Lithuania’s move, adding: “China-CEEC [Central and Eastern European countries] cooperation mechanism is a cross-regional cooperation mechanism jointly initiated by China and Central and Eastern European countries. It meets the desire of all parties to seek development together. “Rather than being dominated by China, the mechanism involves all parties in cooperation based on voluntarism, extensive consultation, joint contribution, openness and inclusiveness.

“China-CEEC cooperation has been very fruitful in the past nine years since its inception. It has brought tangible benefits to the nations involved and added a new dimension to China-EU relations,” he said. Lithuania’s move is the latest indication of an increasingly shaky relationship between China and the European Union. On Thursday, the European Parliament voted overwhelmingly to freeze the legislative process for ratifying the EU’s investment pact with China, unless Beijing lifts sanctions against EU lawmakers that were imposed after the 27 EU countries slapped Xinjiang officials with sanctions over mass internment of the Uyghur minorities.

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    Edvard Munch Separation 1894   • 160+ Experts Slam Covid Vaccines As ‘Unnecessary, Ineffective And Unsafe’ (LSN) • Second And Last Reply To M. Ye
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle May 23 2021]

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    Germ
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    #75741
    Germ
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    “Unlikely SARS CoV2 variants might escape T cell recognition at population level”

    SARS-CoV-2 Human T cell Epitopes: adaptive immune response against COVID-19.
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1931312821002389

    #75742
    Germ
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    #75743
    Germ
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    #75744
    Germ
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    SARS-CoV-2 Human T cell Epitopes: adaptive immune response against COVID-19

    https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1931-3128%2821%2900238-9

    #75745
    Germ
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    #75746
    Germ
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    “All students who live, learn or work in person at the University of Virginia during the next academic year must be fully vaccinated before returning to Grounds, starting July 1, UVA leaders announced in an email message Thursday.”

    https://news.virginia.edu/content/uva-require-vaccination-students-person-operations-resume-fall?utm_source=VirginiaFeed&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=news

    #75747
    Germ
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    #75748
    Mister Roboto
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    Political comedian Jimmy Dore posted this on Twitter yesterday:

    Update: Got my 2nd moderna shot 4/17/21, have had body & joint pain & general flu like symptoms ever since, most recently experiencing wicked stiff neck on same side the shot was administered. This is over a month now.

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    Germ
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    re: “Van Den Bossche has problems with Yeadon”

    They’re both correct in the positions they take:

    Van Den Bossche – ‘don’t vaccinate during a pandemic as this will drive mutations.’ Correct
    Yeadon – ‘mutations are not significant enough to evade immunity’ Correct

    The issue is – the difference between naturally acquired immunity and gene therapy induced immunity.

    My sense is that people who have been infected (knowingly or unknowingly) will have developed natural immunity and will thus be protected from the various evolving strains of Sars-Cov-2 virus. Their immune systems will have developed antibodies and T-cells that can identify many of the antigen’s epitopes.

    Folks who have been jabbed will only develop partial, non-sterilising immunity, induced by epitopes solely from the S1 Spike protein, This may, in effect, lead to a compromised immune system leaving them susceptible to ADE when they encounter the virus during the next ‘flu’ season.

    Just my two rupees!

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    Germ
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    Poor Jimmy – Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 🙁

    #75751
    V. Arnold
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    I for one, am fed up with this covid bullshit!!……
    How much more are we supposed to take?
    I’m just going to keep living my life as a day by day existence until…
    I’m bloody sick of the fear; I’ll have none of it., any more, forever………..
    I’m going to live or die as ny immune system dictates…
    I think my immune system is pretty damn good…
    So, fuck all; life goes on until it doesn’t…
    That’s it……………………….

    #75752
    Germ
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    @ V Arnold – would you rather me stop posting? Just asking.

    #75753

    The issue is – the difference between naturally acquired immunity and gene therapy induced immunity.

    Well, sort of. Phrasing it this way seems to presume you need to acquire immunity, not have it to begin with. But the vast majority of people do. If you would test people for T cells, there wouldn’t appear to be any need to vaccinate those who have sufficient.

    #75755

    @ V Arnold – would you rather me stop posting? Just asking.

    That’s not what he meant.

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    Germ
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    @ Raul – correct.

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    Polder Dweller
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    Retry.

    A couple of days ago I posted part 1 of the conversation between Tucker Carlson and Dr Peter McCullough, in part 2 McCullough states clearly that you can’t get Covid a second time.

    P McC: Well, for very good grounds. Covid-recovered patients so far are racking up a terrific track record of freedom from reinfection. It’s nearly airtight. Think about SARS-CoV-1 is 80 per cent homologous to SARS-CoV-2 . . . SARS-CoV-1 and 2 are 80 per cent the same. The first SARS pandemic, people had durable and complete immunity. Seventeen years so far. You don’t get it twice. We’ve had 111million people in the world who’ve gotten this infection. If there was a chance for double and triple infections in the same person, we would have seen it by the millions. Millions. If you look in the literature, maybe you can find a hundred cases, where someone says, ‘You know, I think they got reinfected.’ And we look and almost always it’s a misinterpretation of one of these PCR tests, which is commonly false positive. (Unclear) One of the false narratives out there is you can get the infection twice. It’s a false narrative.

    And the FDA and the sponsors knew that, of course, they excluded Covid-recovered patients. They know you can’t get it again. They’re not going to have them in a clinical trial and have the clinical trial go to the null. They knew that. But when it came out, I think in an air of caution, this would be the innocent explanation, air of caution. They said, ‘You know what, we’ll make it available to everybody’. But quickly making it available to everybody started to become a coercive thing.

    […]

    I think America needs to take a deep breath and understand we’re treating Covid. We’ve got it under control. It’s manageable. Let’s see some deep dives on safety. I think we need an independent data safety monitoring board to look at all the safety events being reported to the CDC. America can see them. It’s in the VAERS programme, if you go to VAERS.com, it’s right there, America can see the numbers racking up in the categories. And they ought to ask, let’s have an independent data safety monitor board, look at all the events with the eye of risk mitigation.

    The idea that we’re going to roll out products and get it right the first time, how often does that happen in medicine? We always got to tweak things. Maybe there’s certain groups that shouldn’t get it. Maybe the doses are too high. Maybe the doses ought to be weight-based. There’s all kinds of things to consider.

    […]

    P McC: The Covid patients who recover, they have antibodies, they have T cell protection and innate emission. The antibodies are a pretty nice indication that you’re protected. But these T cell tests are terrific. This T cell direct test, that’s actually next generation sequencing. That is permanent protection. That’s your microbiological evidence of permanent protection.

    TC: Can you get that test? Can a civilian get that test?

    P McC: Somebody can go online, order it, and their medical director approves it, go to the lab and get it. No doctor needed. It’s wonderful. I think what parents ought to know is that children who are Covid-recovered, the clinical diagnosis is good enough to confer immunity. I think the big question is suspected Covid-recovered, you don’t know. You never got a test or you’re not sure. Then get the antibodies or the T cell test or both and show proof of immunity. I hope some rational thinking comes down on America to say, ‘Listen, proof of having Covid or proof of being a survivor recovered will be good enough,’ because otherwise this is getting out of control. I’ve said for these passports, people are talking about green passports, I say, ‘Why don’t you give a gold passport for the Covid-recovered? They should get first class. They can’t give it.’ Remember, the vaccines are not perfect. But that’s not even under consideration. That’s not even a public conversation.

    #75758

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    V. Arnold
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    Germ & Ilargi
    Germ, no, you’re not the target of my angst.
    Ilargi…thanks, you’re correct.
    Information is critical for survival; what we do with it is the key…

    #75760
    Germ
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    “Only vaccinate those at risk – not the young and healthy”

    Swedish docs – https://lakaruppropet.se/covidimedia/

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    Germ
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    An enthusiastic senior doctor from Uttar Pradesh explains the success of ivermectin in his state (236m people).

    Covid deaths/million capita:

    Uttar Pradesh 84
    India 220
    US 1,800
    UK1,900
    EU 1,600

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    Dr. D
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    My take is they’re both right. Yeadon is right in his specialty: the vaccine itself is not safe enough, according to longstanding standards. VDB is very right in his overall theory – I can’t think of any reason to refute it – however, being a theory, it is unknown. For instance, vaccines for – not MMR, too widespread – flu vaccine e.g., did NOT breed a super-deadly unstoppable flu as far as we know, although we can see from MERSA and other hospital strains, breeding unstoppable diseases is certainly an option. I agree with VDB that I’m shocked Yeadon doesn’t immediately follow this, especially since the mind-killer usually follow faith in the unstoppable church of Progress, being on the “side of history” (there but for the grace of Science go I) and once they stop declaring all science is all good, all the time, regardless, their brains return and they become able to be critical (that is, ‘rational’) again. Somehow this hasn’t hit Yeadon, so I wonder why this is.

    Since they just bend statistics for the 40th time to make it impossible to die of Covid with the vaccine, I wonder if they’ve similarly bent CV cases in South America. But it is winter down there now, whatever that means. (‘Winter’ on the sub-tropical equator?)

    Fauci support: Probably people were shocked. What does it take for a guy to get discredited? Trick question: it’s impossible to be discredited in America, that requires shame. Shame is why we got rid of Christianity. Much better now, much more convenient to live without this ‘shame’ and ‘morality’ and ‘standards’ stuff, doing whatever seems best in your own eyes. You CAN be smeared though. But only if it’s from the outside and only if the basis isn’t true. Wish I were kidding. RussiaRussiaRussia. Rounding up gay people for labor camps, as the first president who supports gay marriage.

    “hypersonic missiles “has changed warfare forever”. The Khinzal, …“is not interceptable”

    They are shopping for a deadly miscalculation. Yes, so the U.S. has no ships that can get into space – at all – then they release an unmanned space shuttle that’s been flying up there all along, everyone must know about it, then they un-release the release and now we have no way to launch and fix satellites anymore. We’re helpless. Really? The SR-71 was decommissioned 30 years ago, but we never had it, and we never built a replacement. We’re helpless. Really? Skunk works officially has zero funding and zero projects, yet their parking lot is full every day. I guess they just go in play ping-pong and drink coffee. Really? So the U.S. is generations behind Russia, we have no hypersonic missiles, never tested them, but the day after Russia declares, we’re already loading them on planes and posting them on battlefields. I guess they’re just cardboard mock-ups. Really?

    …They’re adult humans. They’re LYING. Other than suck air, that’s what they DO.

    So the illusion that the U.S. is helpless, therefore China should make a violent foray, or that Russia can get away with striking back against their constant harassment is very dangerous. The military is trying very hard to goad the world into acting, into committing themselves to a war. Now the U.S. may have those hypersonic missiles with battlefield pocket nukes and even ufo gravity technology. But the dogs of war don’t go where they’re told and Russia has something too, like scalar weapons that convert naval ships into bricks. You can lose a couple of U.S. cities before somebody recalibrates. However, the generals and their more-insane masters would actively LIKE that, so the instant death of 3-5 million people is no deterrent, indeed, they regularly publish it’s much to be desired, the only answer, the final, green, solution.

    Careful of this sudden miscalculation. That’s what happens when you surround nations with existential first-strike capability, refuse to talk, and act weak. …What do you THINK they must do? What does “existential” not mean to you club-headed neanderthals?

    Never fight a land war in Asia.” They’re not intending to be on the land, on the ground. They think they can take on Russia, the end of empires, with their “new war”. So did General Erich Marcks and Napoleon. It will go about as well as Afghanistan, i.e. we will lose, marking the high water of the empire, from which they relentlessly fall into ruin. As said, strangely this is said to be in Fatima, at a time so long ago the very ideas seemed impossible then. Russia? A non-communist, Christian state? I can believe in the yeti before I believe that.

    Whether we can “merely” collapse into ourselves in isolation and balkanism remains to be seen. It would appear so, since Americans never wanted, have no interest in empire, or power, and have to be arm-twisted into it against every election and every national character, right and left. You can’t keep expending that effort at home and push a war too. That is not a merry end, but not final either. Also we are SUPPOSED to be Balkanized. We’re supposed to be individual, diverse, self-supporting, self-governing. It wastes a planet of effort and oil to force us to do otherwise.

    “Rush Hour” is a good insight into the problems of infrastructure. It seems huge and endless, like “the commons”. However, in reality is very carefully tuned to support only one thing at only one size. If you add or remove anything – like taxpayers in New Jersey – it fails pretty spectacularly. Such is the plan for the grid, which is pretty apparent to any cro-magnon with a pebble counting tray for over 30 years. It will fail, they are warned each year, they go forward with more plans that insure it will fail. And kill everyone. See Deagel. Reminds me of Natfa. It was obvious. We told them. It happened. We tried to stop it. Everything the people said was completely true for 30 years, appearing every day each year for 30 years. They still claimed it wasn’t. The U.S. collapsed into poverty and riots, burning down cities, exactly as predicted. …They still deny it and still don’t stop, actively INCREASING it, while now jailing and putting down resistors who were completely correct on every point for decades.

    …But there’s no plan. Nobody talks to anyone. Nobody knows nothing. It’s all a big accident nobody saw coming although literally everybody did and you can read the headlines about it. …For now.

    “Vaccination rollout, tackling pandemics are just [a] few recent examples of the EU27 united in solidarity and purpose”

    Uh, has this guy been reading the papers? Do they usually keep their leaders locked in the basement, incommunicado for 12 months? Their pandemic is according to them, the EU, a terrible embarrassing failure where everybody died. All 25M people (still waiting). They have no vaccine rollout since they’ve had both catastrophic vaccine failures where they were banned in 10 nations, and lack of doses. And there’s no unity on either as they’ve merely caused enormous protests in law-abiding Germany breaking even the most core nations in half. I’d say “mission accomplished.” If I were Russia or their arch enemy, Dr. Evil. Otherwise, “outlook not so good”.

    Anyway, their incredible failures and mind-bending lack of self-awareness is hilarious. …If you don’t live there and have to deal with them. ‘Cause having your boss be a psycho, who believes you’re in league with the underwear fairies and stole the Eiffel Tower he keeps in his purse, is frankly terrifying. Apparently no no notices, as they are each equally insane.

    What Really Happened With that Weird Yankees COVID Outbreak”

    Speaking of being psychotic: this news. What happened? Exactly what should happen, exactly what they said would happen, exactly as predicted would happen, exactly according to every doctor and the companies themselves. The (non)vaccine (that doesn’t change behavior and must be “boosted” every month) DOES NOT PREVENT COVID. It’s not supposed to, it never claimed to, this is a basic, written, core function. It causes you not to be HARMED when you HAVE Covid. This is not dissimilar from other (real) vaccines where you have polio vaccine, are exposed to Polio, you “get” polio, but your body fights it off effortlessly and you hardly notice. –That’s a vaccine, people. For the love on INRI and all things holy, Joseph, Mary, and the Saints give me patience. I’m not even being contrary here, this is YOUR news. The official, Fauci-on-the-mount NYTimes consensus reality.

    So that someone…everyone…who has the vaccine can test positive for Covid is a GIVEN. That they’re fine and don’t go to the hospital is the only point here, and that’ s exactly what is happening. (mostly) Hey reporters: what the doctor said would happen, happened. Dog bites man. Sky is blue. Water is wet. Christmas is in December. And people who are vaccinated can be exposed and test for the disease, if you test enough.

    WillPower
    Crazy Pills!!

    Shouldn’t be “RussiaRussiaRussia.” Should be “FearFearFear.” Fear is the mind killer. People are waking up, so we must MUST kill them.

    Update: Got my 2nd moderna shot 4/17/21,

    Ah Jimmy, just goes to show you can never be cynical enough. He says the basis of journalism isn’t to repeat government press releases, but assume they are lying with every release, then go do your job as a journalist and prove it. And the government said this? Along with billionaire multi-national corporations, indemnified from all liability and who pay billions in damages for deadly drugs every year but never go to jail? Ah, happens to the best of us. Because, in his position, what was he going to do? Become a Republican on national T.V.? Worse, a “far right”, suspect-everyone, Libertarian type? Those kind of changes take time and they sting. They sting lots.

    Here’s their problem though: like him and pot, HRC, Biden, pro-war, anti-freedom, anti-journalist, when you do this to Dore and 45 million other Democrat/Progressives like him, then just like Assange and the Iraq war, Hunter Biden, he’s going to live out the event in public, on national T.V. talking 6 hours a day to people just like him, who were harmed by Pfizer and the government, just like him. Everyone then wakes up and you’re discredited and your power collapses. How do you dodge that? The system is screwing itself in epic, irreversible ways.

    Still don’t know where the vaccine thing is going. They’ve correctly succeeded in so muddying the waters I can’t even tell.

    DeFi: Hilarious. If you don’t own your private keys, you’re in a scam. No one can learn, so what do you want me to do about it?

    That’s here today, with Paul “the internet is a fad and will never be used –in 1998” Krugman https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/calling-out-willfully-ignorant

    “Ethereum will move more dollars in the month of May than Venmo, PayPal, Square and Adyen combined. This is why both Visa and Mastercard are scrambling to integrate”

    “MakerDAO alone is bigger than 95% of all American banks by assets”

    #75763
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    Germ, but note that Yeadon and Van den Bossche are very critical of each other’s work. If they cannot see what you are seeing, this is problematic. (PS I enjoy your posts.)
    I have no doubt that, as our elites have messed up every other domain (environment, food, finance, etc etc), they will assuredly mess up handling a pandemic and vaccination. However, it would be easier to navigate this pandemic information if folks like this were in agreement.
    I liked Pole Dweller’s post the other day-summed up my feelings well- how did almost all these scientists around the world (not politicians) get on board with lockdowns and vaccines? Maybe this is too much to expect from imperfect science, but it disturbs me.

    #75764
    Germ
    Participant

    “James talks to German-American lawyer Dr Reiner Fuellmich about Nuremberg 2 and why those involved in the Coronavirus scare should be tried for crimes against humanity.”

    https://rumble.com/vhg4jb-dr-reiner-fuellmich-in-da-house.html

    #75765
    Germ
    Participant
    #75766
    Germ
    Participant

    But of course, in just a few years, Covid will be a distant memory and the horrors of the true human predicament will reveal itself.

    The Digital Health Passports are most likely being implemented to manage what will soon be the mass migration of 100’s of millions of climate refugees from the ‘global south’ to cooler northern climes.

    They are, in fact, already on the move.

    “Ominously, methane levels reached a peak of 2901 ppb at 469 mb on May 13, 2021. ”
    http://arctic-news.blogspot.com/2021/05/arctic-ocean-invaded-by-hot-salty-water.html

    #75767
    Germ
    Participant

    Adriana Caponte’s experience with her Pfizer covid vaccine on January 25, 2021 has become her worst nightmare. Her vaccine reaction landed her in ICU and she has been out of work every since.

    “ My medical bills are outstanding and are now over 160K and rising. I keep on calling and appealing, but I keep getting denied. I do in fact have insurance GHI to be exact that I get from my job at NYC department of corrections so I’m having a hard to figuring out why everything is being denied left and right.”

    https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-adriana-with-medical-expenses-and-treatments

    #75768
    Germ
    Participant

    This is a mainstream daily newspaper in the UK.

    “We must ring fence vaccine-hesitant areas so the rest of us can live life.”

    https://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/richard-and-judy/1439719/coronavirus-news-holiday-green-list-vaccine-quarantine

    #75769
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    Regarding the mRNA injections:

    Germ and I have agreed in recent comments that the mRNA injections cause cells in the body of the person receiving the injection to become spike protein factories. The spike protein causes damage to the inside of the blood vessels among other things and this blood vessel damage will continue to happen and only stop when the person dies. The injection does not cause immunity. But the injection does cause continuous damage to the body into which it has been injected. It will eventually kill you unless you aren’t killed by something else first.

    I have supplied all of the information that I have become aware of to my parents who subsequently chose to receive the injection. At this point I have concluded that my parents are COVIDIOTS.

    But I fully believe in personal freedom. Subsequently I believe in the freedom of suicide. I consider the decision to receive the vaccine a decision to suicide even if that was not the intention

    #75770
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    “ The spike protein causes damage to the inside of the blood vessels among other things and this blood vessel damage will continue to happen and only stop when the person dies.”

    I’ve been discussing this with my daughter who is a very pro-vaccine biomedical science graduate. She maintains that the affected cells only produce the spike protein for a while. Once, the immune system has identified the non-natural proteins, it produces antibodies to attack not only the spike proteins themselves, but also the cells which produce them. In a healthy person that should be within a matter of days.

    I pointed her to an article Germ posted a couple of days ago in which it was stated that in a small number of people spike proteins were detected in the blood 28 days after receiving the vaccine. She was very surprised to read that and suggested that it could be due to some underlying condition or compromised immune system, but that it certainly warrants further investigation.

    #75771
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    GVB and M Yeadon
    Fascinating. It reminds me of how chicken pox worked for my youngest sister vs. the other 3 siblings. I brought home chicken pox at age 5, from school. All three kids got sick, including the baby. We three never got sick from chicken pox again. Youngest sister (#4) hadn’t been born yet. If I remember correctly, she had chicken pox three times as a kid, the first couple of times was very, very mild.

    Regardless, this discussion between two scientists is how science is SUPPOSED to work. Then they, and interested other scientists get to work devising means to test their theories so that we all get a deeper understanding of how the virus works and how our immune responses work. Lockstep agreement about “science” is unnatural to the scientific process (but very human, that is why science is a discipline) and one way to tell that we are being propagandized.

    #75772
    Germ
    Participant

    Absolutely nothing to see here!

    “C.D.C. Is Investigating a Heart Problem in a Few Young Vaccine Recipients”

    Few? Hahaha !!

    #75773
    Germ
    Participant

    Keep you eyes on this one, before it disappears down the drain!

    “Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 With Ivermectin, Fluvoxamine, and Metformin (COVID-19)”

    https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/results/NCT04510194

    #75774
    Germ
    Participant

    Professor Dolores Cahill says that mRNA vaccines enhances the illness and the disease.

    https://rumble.com/vhfbov-professor-dolores-cahill-says-that-mrna-vaccines-enhances-the-illness-and-t.html

    I just wish she’d wipe that grin off her face.

    #75775
    Germ
    Participant

    Join South African and world experts, and medical experts as they share their latest research, thoughts and insights on the Ivermectin for Covid-19 solution.

    Today !

    https://zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_kkgoSUifR26jEXvGhzNH0A

    #75776
    Noirette
    Participant

    Yeadon <-> V. D. Bossche

    Oh Man, that is all that was needed to confuse things further and cheeze ppl off – Contra-da-mainstream-BS figures like Bossche and Yeadon, quarelling in public!

    They are not experienced in messaging, in politicking, in influencing, and are filled with ego-hubris, even to the point of adopting a kind of missionary role.

    Not that I blame them for it in any way, as an outsider that role is practically imposed, is almost impossible to escape. Both are essential figures worthy of attention, and are brave. (The PTB I suspect counts on these kinds of snarls.)

    They should just do a Zoomie, or meet in Amsterdam, (ha ha) and agree to an agenda of (say) 10 points, both stating, we disagree on ‘some stuff’, science evolves, moves (heh assumed is forward but backwards happens too) others can be discussed.

    Meanwhile, the 10 points listing the essentials, on their position re. the vaxxes could be:

    Until more data comes in and more thorough, clever analysis / different theoretical approaches are compared (1) .. Vaxxes are useless, they don’t shield, protect, and may even be dangerous, in that .. (low level expl.)

    ———

    1. The data is shoddy, unreliable, corrupted and not useful in any case, another problem…

    #75777
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    From Germ’s comment “ “What Really Happened With that Weird Yankees COVID Outbreak”” — this is a really good, lay person explanation of GVB — M Yeadon

    <<Which means there’s no motivation for it to evolve, right?
    <<Right. And so if you already have an antibody response — because you’ve been vaccinated or you’ve been previously infected — in that case maybe the virus is only able to grow to a million titers instead of a billion … Well, those million viral particles per ml are each bumping into your already-existing antibodies, so there is actually something for them to try to learn how to evade. That’s when, theoretically, you would see the most likely scenario for immune evasion and mutation that would improve the virus’s fitness against immunity — specifically in those people who have already been vaccinated or infected and who are getting re-exposed and reinfected.

    <<That’s the theoretical piece. But you have to layer on top of it community transmission. And if through vaccination you can drop everyone’s viral loads and transmissibility by 90 percent, then overall you should expect at a community level to have just many fewer infections. And so that should hopefully balance out that potential increase of evolutionary capacity. In other words, they’re really competing forces — do you want no immunity, and to just keep having viruses transmit unabated, or do you want to have immunity, giving the virus something to learn from, but overall have it happen in many, many fewer people? We don’t really know which exact way it balances out.>>

    #75778
    Germ
    Participant

    Villagers jump into river to avoid Covid-19 vaccination in Uttar Pradesh

    The health officials at a village in Uttar Pradesh were taken aback when people, on seeing them, fled their homes and ran towards a nearby river. They even jumped into the river, when the officials reached the river bank.

    https://www.deccanherald.com/national/north-and-central/villagers-jump-into-river-to-avoid-covid-19-vaccination-in-uttar-pradesh-989075.html

    #75779
    Germ
    Participant
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